Jean's Story

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#1 Nov 22 - 12AM
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Jean's Story

First of all, my encounter was not exactly romantic, as it happened at work. Second, I am not sure if this guy is a narcissist but he sure is a creepy, freaky fellow. What I really want to understand is just what this guy's deal is, because the whole experience truly made me doubt myself.

I work for a bureaucratic agency, about 100 employees. I am a mid-level professional, above me are psychologists and medical doctors, below me are a clerical staff. We all work together in one giant room examining disability claims. One of the psychologists, who also has a law degree and another higher degree (he lists all three of them after his name, hmmmm....), approached me about five months ago as I was sitting at my desk talking on the phone and put his hands on my neck and back and started giving me a little back rub. Naturally, I was a little surprised. (I did know him somewhat, we'd had a few conversations). But I played along, saying, "that's not fair" as I looked up at him. Ah, how true and portentious those words would come to be! The next day, as I walked by him he said, "Hi" in the most welcoming, enthusiastic tones I can imagine. I remember wondering if maybe I'd slept with him and forgotten about it. A little voice in my head said, "that's odd" but I smiled at him. So began a rather heavy flirtation. It went on for many months - I becoming more and more attracted to him. I am also married - although throughout much of this drama I told my husband what was going on because even though I was intensely sexually attracted to this guy, I was also monumentally confused as to WHY.

Which is astounding, since he is literally five foot nothing, chubby, balding, and utterly lacks fashion sense (he sometimes wears overalls!).

Nonetheless, after several months of flirting I was really turned on, and also wanted my intense attraction to him to go away. I asked if I could speak to him after bowling (I had become a sub on the bowling team) and he said, "why after" and I said, "well, how 'bout before?" So we went to eat and here is the dialogue that occurred (almost verbatim):

Me: So, I've been noticing a lot of flirtation between us these last few months and I am feeling attracted to you, and I'd sure like to make those feelings go away - maybe you could help me about by telling me if you could possibly be. . . .gay?
Him: I'm sorry to disappoint you
Me: Hmmmm, so, uh, does that mean? . . .are you gay or not?
Him: I'm not gay

Utter silence.

Me: Well, this is awkward
Him: No, it's not

OK, so maybe I didn't take the best approach but keep in mind he had just returned from Vegas after seeing Cher and also visiting the LIberace Museum and he is sort of sexually ambiguous. Also, I though if he was gay (being politically liberal and seeming to really really like himself, he wouldn't have any problem saying so). He appeared to be quite angry from this point on.

We went to bowl. Feeling like I had not really gotten any information, I again asked him. . .

Me: So, A., what is your objection to getting together, just out of curiosity.
Him: You're a married lady!
Me: Oh, so you're ethical?
Him: Yes! And you're not Jewish

(Please note: he has just stated that he is ethical. He had not up to this point been acting particularly ethical - neither had I, but I made no such claims).

Next day at work I avoided him entirely, wanting him to understand I got the message. As the week continues, we re-establish a cordial relationship. I have to bowl again the next Thursday, where we talk for two hours due mainly to the fact that there is a fair amount of down time in bowling. Here is a snippet of our dialogue.

Me: That bowling alley down on Miracle Mile is pretty good, I hear
Him: Yeah, that's one of the best in town
Me: They sure have cleaned up that area, gotten rid of most of the hookers
Him: Yeah, I should just go down there and find a prostitute. . .who's Jewish. . .
Me: (leaving to bowl) . . .and female

The next day, Friday, I try to stay away from him but unfortunately am there late and it's really slow and on my way out the door I go by his cubicle and say, "hey, why didn't you come say Hi today?" (my turn to be potentially creepy, I guess??) I immediately regretted saying this, even though I didn't mean it in a manipulative or threatening way.

Tuesday comes - it was a long weekend - and I find myself called into a meeting with this guy and his supervisor.

Supervisor: Well, Dr. __________ has something he wants to say.
Him: I feel uncomfortable with some of the things you've been saying
Me: stunned silence due to intense humiliation
Supervisor: Dr. __________ is very sensitive about this
Him (wringing his hands): I only want a professional relationship, that's all.
Me: still silence, mouth agape
Supervisor (to me): Is there anything you wanted to say?
Me: Well, Dr. _____________, it would have been helpful to me if you could have said this to me in this way prior to today's meeting.
Him: (sound desperate) But I tried, I tried. . . .

I want to emphasize here that he had many, many opportunities to tell me of his discomfort directly to me - in fact, I would have welcomed it. Yet he remained oddly passive (this is not a person with a passive persona, in fact he is very extraverted and agressive).

OK - now I don't feel great about my last comment, however this dude's behavior has just been plain weird. First he comes on to me, then he acts like he hasn't (I am not crazy - he was clearly quite aggressive, especially at the beginning), then when I am honest and straightforward he becomes extremely angry, but more or less controls his anger (he almost acted as if he'd been betrayed) and then turns me into his supervisor twice: first right after the dinner and then again after my comment on Friday -- all the while acting as though everything is hunky-dory. He's the male doctor who is single, I am the married female - if the situation were reversed, that is, if he'd asked me to dinner, I might go to my supervisor - after all, he has more power. . .well, I guess I might. I know myself and I would be much more likely to say something directly to him.

I just cannot understand (a) his reaction when I told him I was attracted to him and (b) going straight to his supervisor. Keep in mind I had been flirting with him, talking to him daily for months - and he appeared as a friend, as someone who liked me. He also made the prostitute comment after he had told his supervisor he "was uncomfortable with things I'd been saying."

I know this guy is paranoid, and that explains some of his behavior, but I sense something darker. Other people I work with have referred to him as an "asshole" - the ones who don't find him endearing and charming. He has told me stories in which he has threatened people and made things up.

A couple of days ago - it's been over 3 weeks since all this came down - I was walking by cubicle of one of my colleagues, a cute youngish woman, and there he was sitting on her desk and showering her with attention. She was laughing and looked transfixed - the same look I know I'd had on my face months ago. He saw me walk by, stood up and moved over about a foot. He looked nervous, like he was caught in the act. Another experience I had was recently I was waiting for the bathroom - which is in the lobby of our building and there's never anyone around - and he came out and I went over and he bowed at me, fixed me in intense stare, and smiled in a creepy way.

Signs of narcissism: lists all his degrees; has 3 pictures of himself in his cubicle (and none of anyone else); never been married and is 54 years old; has told me negative things about almost everyone we work with, but acts extremely charming to their faces; kisses management's ass like he can't get enough; talks unceasingly about himself and seemed annoyed at times when I would tell a story about myself; is vindictive as hell, even over minor things; is prone to irritation and (at least in my case) rage; is very, very charming although physically unattractive and is seductive as hell; very, very close to his mother (of course he is Jewish so maybe that's why). Oh, and he was also kind of dismissively rude to the waitstaff when we ate out. He's also condescending and I always had this vague feeling of being inadequate when I was around him. The guy is very, very bright and extremely perceptive (I have noticed he is always scanning his environment).

In addition, I've done a little research located a couple of pictures of him - one on facebook and another from some workshop, in addition to the ones at work. Of the seven pictures I've seen of him, three are caricatures (his face on a muscular body, himself looking contemplative, himself with his head on the body of someone playing banjo), one is of him performing - also almost caricature-like, and two are pictures of him smiling into the camera. In the last two, there really isn't anything in his eyes - he has a big, toothy grin but there is a lack of 'realness' or sincerity about his expression.

I also rode in his car once - a short ride - and got a very creepy feeling. I was expecting, since I felt attracted to him, to feel good. But I had a weird feeling of emotional paralysis.

Help! This is making me crazy and I have to continue working with this guy. Is he paranoid, or is he narcissistic, or gay, or ???

The good news: the fog has lifted and I am no longer at all attracted to him. My husband is a truly wonderful man who remains supportive, and who also got me a voodoo doll for my birthday. The bad news: I feel terrible about myself for getting sucked in, betraying my husband (or being willing to) and being humiliated at work & I feel like my mind has been messed with.

Thanks.

Dec 7 - 5PM
becsta777
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jdog

"I also rode in his car once - a short ride - and got a very creepy feeling. I was expecting, since I felt attracted to him, to feel good. But I had a weird feeling of emotional paralysis." That feeling exactly describes how I felt when I was around my narc. I remember he would hold me and I would feel emotionally numb and always extremely unfulfilled. I suppose its because he was sucking my energy. Narcs seem to be very good at creating the illusion of a normal, caring relationship - they smile and joke and are engaging, however the most important element of a relationship - emotional exchange, is missing. I remember my narc would often complain about different women wanting him or loving him when he wasnt interested. He would make out like they were pushing themselves onto him and he would be all offended like he was a piece of meat. Later, I saw him in action with ALL women. He had to charm everyone no matter who it was. I'm thinking the narc you were involved with also could not handle the fact that you were being assertive with him and thought he was gay! Its awful to think you have a parasite in your office feeding from the many workers there. If I were you, I'd find a new job. There's nothing you can do for the others, they will have to work it out themselves...
Dec 2 - 4PM
gettinbetter
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this is creepy

So did you tell your husband that he was accusing you of inappropriate behavior? How did you handle that?
Dec 2 - 8PM (Reply to #6)
Jean
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I told my husband everything

I don't know why, part of it is that I usually tell my husband almost everything, especially things that are emotional. But, I also told him at the very beginning, "I have a crush on this doctor at work, and I can't understand it." And he said, "well, what's he like, maybe I can be more like him." And I said, "he's short, and balding, and Jewish." And my husband said, "oy." That was funny - but there were downsides to telling him, too - because somewhere in the back of my mind I knew I was only telling him to try to keep myself from doing something stupid sexually because I was really really sexually attracted to the Narc. In the end, my husband's attitude was, "you'll figure it out, it's not my problem." He was VERY evolved about it and I feel really guilty for hurting him as well as myself . . . My husband sort of understood why the Narc went to the supervisor when I first told him, which really pissed me off (I felt he was taking my "boyfriend's" side) but then I realized he probably just wanted me to feel a bit punished, too. Now, I think I've managed to explain that the whole thing is totally weird and abnormal and I got sucked in. Though I do understand I had some responsibility.
Nov 28 - 8AM
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Jean, he definitely isn't mentally well

He sounds like he's screwed up. The fact that you feel like he's playing with your head tells me he probably has NPD or some other personality disorder. He's a manipulator. Stay clear of him. Document stuff when you need to, in case he gets weird and goes to mgmt again. It's sad that you have to deal with someone like him at work. But don't let him intimidate you. Remember that he's an empty shell behind that icky grin of his. -Leah
Nov 22 - 7PM
stillnotconvinced
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This guy is a creep. Too bad

This guy is a creep. Too bad you have to work in such close quarters with him. Be on guard at all times with him; I would even document his behavior toward that other female worker as well as other things. You never know when he might try to pull another stunt with the supervisor.
Nov 23 - 1PM (Reply to #2)
Jean
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thanks for your reply

I am remaining vigilant, just noticing what happens. I am also writing things down since every time I interact with him I feel like "what just happened." The way he uses language is very vague and confusing - I often end up feeling bad for what I said or that I was somehow being manipulative.
Jan 5 - 3PM (Reply to #3)
prettypeeved
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Language

Urg. That's one of the most annoying bits, where they say one thing then twist it into something else. And then claim that YOU are doing the twisting until you're so confused you're ready to believe it!