is it possible to fall in love with someone new while still obsessed with the N?

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#1 Aug 28 - 7PM
foreverfun1
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is it possible to fall in love with someone new while still obsessed with the N?

i've tried dating but cant seem to be attracted to anyone since im still so attached to the N. but i'm so lonely and dont want loneliness to make me go back to the N.i feel like dating is the only way to get my mind off him and to move on. but am i wasting my time becuz is it possible to even find someone else interesting while i'm in this state?

also feel like im not being fair to the guys i date since its like leading them on if im not able to give them a real chance

Aug 29 - 12PM
dazedandcnonfused
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YES!

Like someone else pointed out that we all have different situations and not one answer will fit for everyone. But when my ex broke my heart 16 yrs ago, I rebounded quickly to someone else. I didnt look back. I didnt contact him. I held a place for him in my heart unfortunatley but that is another story. I have always been able to get over one person by sending my energy and attention to someone or something else. But I think that is just how I personally function. I can tell you that now I am married and definitely in love with my husband. But I am completely obsessed with my ex. When my ex is giving me the silent treatment and treating me poorly I am so thankful that I have a wonderful stable husband that would move the moon for me. I think sitting at home mourning the loss of your N is exactly where they want you. I would recommend going out with girlfriends and finding things that interest you and exploring those avenues. I personally would not try and date strangers at this point. But going out and meeting people in the environments that you enjoy can be really FUN!!!
Aug 29 - 1PM (Reply to #24)
FINALLYFREE2BME
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Yes

I agree Dazed and Confused. Everyone has a different timeline for dating again. I don't advocate it for everyone, but it worked for me. I met a wonderful guy. Maybe sheer luck. Yes, I did compare, but I compared all of the awful stuff with how good I was being treated. It took a while for me to get used to a guy being respectful to me. Sure, life is less dramatic with a normal guy and you won't be on the adreneline rollercoaster, but it's a deeper kind of love built on respect and I went in understanding that it wouldn't be the same kind of high. Sure, it might've impeded my recovery -- after all, here I am on this board five years out. But I was doing just fine until the N started popping up again recently. This may have been a natural reaction to fear rather than not being fully healed. That's what I'm here on the boards to figure out.
Aug 29 - 11AM
Lisa87
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I tried dating and failed

I gave myself no time after 3rd breakup to start dating. Found some really nice guys who I dated but nothing romantic and then a few guys who wanted to get romantic but I was not into them at all. I used it as a way to get out and enjoy life without the pressure of a relationship. It got me through last summer and fall and then got sucked back into exN for a few months and met another man where there was instant chemistry, had great time and guess what??? he was a Narc!!! Saw the signs on our 3rd date and gave him another chance and WOW he was even worse than my last one holy crap!! I dropped him like a hot potato! You will know when you are ready. I had a date with a really nice guy on Saturday and it is definitely different but I am taking it very very slow, he is a cousin of one of my girlfriends so I know he isn't a N/P. I say its okay to go out and have some fun, have someone treat you nice and see where it goes. I dropped a lot of baggage/talk on some of the guys and actually one was very helpful because he said he used to be the same way (I didn't know he was N/P at the time) but he realized to find love he needed to change. He wasnt a narc apparently..although he still contacts me every now and then so who knows!! Take time for yourself, do things to make YOU happy and when you are in a good place you will bring that to the other people in your life.
Aug 29 - 10AM
horizons
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Dear foreverfun,

Dating after the psychopath is a slow and frustrating process. You absolutely cannot jump into another relationship like the one you just had (directly after an experience with a psychopath is when you're most vulnerable to another one), but you also can't close yourself off from the world of love forever. When you meet men, you need to be completely honest about where you are emotionally. This way, no one is caught off guard if you have a bad day or a trigger or something. However, if you're looking for a date to get your mind off the psychopath, it may be doing more damage than good. "Rebounds" after a psychopath are much worse than a regular relationship -- you'll find yourself getting sad and angry that the guy isn't as "perfect" as the ex, or doesn't flatter you as much, or the sex isn't as good, or whatever. You're still coming down from a huge high, and no man is going to give that back to you except another psychopath. Because of that, I recommend you spend some time figuring out what it is that you love about YOU. Not men. Find new ways to relax and learn to enjoy time on your own. Do you like writing? Starting a book can be a fantastic distraction. There are also tons of online communities of people to keep you company that are UNRELATED to psychopaths (you need a break sometimes from this stuff, it's consuming!). Here are a few that jump to my mind: - Writing - Politics - Personalities - Computers - Families - Music - News - Outdoors And many, many more! Find some healthy, good distractions for yourself :) Learning about my personality type (MBTI) was one of the most fascinating/fun experiences I've had in a long time. Might interest you? Either way, eat well, sleep lots, and remember to go easy on yourself! I don't think dating is necessarily a bad idea, but be prepared to compare everything he does to the psychopath's idealize phase. It will never seem good enough. The great thing is, once you get through this healing (might take a long time!), you will come out as such a desirable and fantastic mate. You will be your own person, with more insight in yourself than most people get in a lifetime. I know it doesn't seem that way now, but I promise, as someone who considered suicide, I'm now SO grateful for the experience. I've never been more confident, compassionate, and proud. Hang in there!!!
Aug 29 - 10PM (Reply to #20)
foreverfun1
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thank you for the interesting

thank you for the interesting and very eye opening resources u put in ur posts. i always get really good info from you. its cool how ur smart but also caring and i dont often see these qualities equally strong in someone.
Aug 30 - 12AM (Reply to #21)
Caligirl
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ff1

I have to agree wholeheartedly w/ jkm. I waited 3 mos out before my first date. After a few dates, and the guy was a bit narky, I was comparing everything w/ my exN in the idealization phase, "Oh, he's not as romantic, doesn't like music as much, not as funny, witty, charming..." Then, I started making excuses for bad treatment, failing to call when he said he would, not texting back. It can impede ur healing evidenced by some people who fall in w/ another N/P. I don't think getting out and being social w/ someone u know is bad, but I think allowing urself time to heal, processing ur N ordeal fully, and reconnecting w/ urself is a good way to go. You'll be more ready when the right one comes along. Ok, now I have to listen to my own advice. Hahaha!
Aug 29 - 9AM
Journey
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Foreverfun1

Dating now will mess up your recovery. I am 99% certain of this. IMO you need to heal without a man to act as a band aide. No good comes from it except temporary relief and at the end of the day, whether alone or not, your wounds are still there and will not magically disappear. Aside from very casual distraction, you are not ready to be in healthy relationship, you are still reeling from your ex, still obsessed with him and still in pain. If he IS a healthy man, it will not work out and more than likely at this point, your neediness will only attract another 'user', so you will end up back to this place again even more discouraged and hurt. You need to deal with these demons and exercise them out of your system by making YOU right, on your own first with support from us and friends/family. Being on your own isn't a bad thing and it is definitely better than dealing with another emotionally unavailable man - especially if you really like him. (hugs)

Journey on...

Aug 29 - 8AM
RubyWoo
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There are a lot of mixed

There are a lot of mixed opinions about this... I know I don't need a man to complete me, but I think maybe dating would be helpful. Just to have a drink, get done up and have some enjoyable time. Basically because maybe seeing other interesting, normal, healthy men with life prospects could help see and compare with the N and realise what really was going on. As in, realise that wasn't the way a man treats a woman.
Aug 28 - 11PM
Avid
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I tried that once..

I would not advise anyone to do that, during one of my breaks from the narc (d&d) I met a wonderful guy and we really clicked he wanted things to go further, and I started contacting the narc again, and I hurt that guy so bad. We are still friends even tho he reminds me when ever we talk that I hurt him. He has moved on and married and he is not a narc he told me once that he would not do anything to hurt his wife. I knew at that moment that I had f*^%$# up a good man for a narc. And what happened to me well I am here so that tells it all. SO NO DO NOT GET INVOLVED WITH ANOTHER PERSON UNTIL YOU ARE OVER THE NARC. It is ok to be alone. I know I get lonely sometimes but alone is better than hurting any day.
Aug 29 - 7AM (Reply to #16)
Nemesis
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foreverfun

Hi, I know this sounds pessimistic, but I wonder if you have considered the damage it would cause to your recovery if another man were to mess you around right now. I know there are a lot of wonderful men out there but there are also some jerks, so getting back into dating does present a risk to your well-being if you're still feeling fragile. Only you can be the judge of how resiliant you are at the moment but I would urge you to proceed with caution. I think it's ok to date again once you feel that you could take a few knocks along the way. Until then, curb loneliness by spending time with family and loyal friends who you know won't let you down. xxx
Aug 28 - 9PM
FINALLYFREE2BME
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All's fair in love and war

I know this isn't the recommended thing to do (and understandably so) but I feel that since we're all individuals there's no blanket answer that's perfect for everyone. In my case if I hadn't dated I wouldn't have gotten out and stayed out. It kept me busy and kept the N away from me. A few months out I met a wonderful guy and we were married last June after dating/living together for 4 years. He went into the relationship fully understanding what I'd gone through and has even helped me process it. I think that the feeling of real love in a healthy relationship is a different feeling than the obsession with the N so it's possible to have both feelings for two different people at the same time. I totally get that it's best to heal first, (and I don't dispute that) but sometimes when dealing with an N, you gotta do what you gotta do. XOXO
Aug 28 - 9PM
SoaperGirl
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A good "meantime" for loneliness while waiting to heal

I haven't needed to do much in the way toward dating yet (the prospect actually scares me!), Happily with an extended family close by, working out at the gym, socializing with regulars and having a boarder in the house (for the time being at least), add in a couple of cats, a computer and the internet, and I not doing too bad all things considering. I've got a pretty tight budget right now, but I'm thinking when I can, I'm going to join a local social group for people in my age bracket. Doing so will also give me the opportunity for dancing, dinners, trips especially for meeting new people including men. I do need to hone my dating skills and do it in a safe environment. I think when I do I'm just gonna play it by ear for a while without expecting or looking to hook up with anybody seriously. No need to immediately find someone just to attach and prevent feeling lonely. Better to take your time and do it right, than rush into a making a serious mistake you wouldn't do otherwise. Maybe we sometimes put too many expectations on ourselves too soon before we are truly ready?
Aug 29 - 7AM (Reply to #12)
onwithmylife
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Soapergirl

Let me know how it goes when you join some of the local social groups, I am definitely cured of the singles groups where I live, all women except for a straggly , pathetic man or two and even the women were obnoxious, very depressing will not go back. am trying to find some groups that like to do things i enjoy so far no real luck... not much in the way of any meetup groups where I am.
Aug 29 - 8AM (Reply to #13)
SoaperGirl
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Social Groups: Parents Without Partners in the Meantime

Years ago, when I was finally divorced, I did try Parents Without Partners, was a member for a while, and I found the ratio roughly 50-50 men to women. Most of us were in similar age ranges. We'd have dinners and events together. As I remember once a "White Water Rafting" expedition was planned (I didn't go on that one), but it sounded like fun. As I remember most of the men were fairly attractive, single and looking. I "won" a date with one nice looking guy. I found PWP to be fertile ground. I haven't really checked into the singles scene lately, but this is a fairly good size town (over 100,000 with people moving here often), but my impression is that there's a lot of resources available for singles and most will allow a guest visit before becoming a member and have wide ranging activity levels for every taste. Yes, I'll let you know how it goes. Wish me luck!
Aug 28 - 9PM
SoaperGirl
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A good "meantime" for loneliness while waiting to heal

I haven't needed to do much in the way toward dating yet (the prospect actually scares me!), Happily with an extended family close by, working out at the gym, socializing with regulars and having a boarder in the house (for the time being at least), add in a couple of cats, a computer and the internet, and I not doing too bad all things considering. I've got a pretty tight budget right now, but I'm thinking when I can, I'm going to join a local social group for people in my age bracket. Doing so will also give me the opportunity for dancing, dinners, trips especially for meeting new people including men. I do need to hone my dating skills and do it in a safe environment. I think when I do I'm just gonna play it by ear for a while without expecting or looking to hook up with anybody seriously. No need to immediately find someone just to attach and prevent feeling lonely. Better to take your time and do it right, than rush into a making a serious mistake you wouldn't do otherwise. Maybe we sometimes put too many expectations on ourselves too soon before we are truly ready
Aug 29 - 10AM (Reply to #9)
TNR1
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Hey SoaperGirl...I belong to

Hey SoaperGirl...I belong to my church's singles group. No cost (other than for activities that I choose to participate in)....so far, no romantic interests but LOTS of amazing female friends. :) Some of the great things I've done so far: -horseback riding -skydiving -whitewater rafting It's really gotten me out of my comfort zone and out into the community.
Aug 29 - 12PM (Reply to #10)
SoaperGirl
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Getting out of my comfort zone and out into the community

Well, i Love the horseback riding and I'd love to try whitewater rafting, but skydiving? No way! I'm scared of heights. lol. It seems to me, that there are plenty of opportunities out there for singles, but too many of us box ourselves in and refuse to get out of our comfort zone. The group I'm thinking about costs $12 a year, and they put on dances, put together bands (I guess I could bang pots and pans for music - a revisit of my early youth?) There's the usual bingo, crafts, games, teas, as well as trips to local restaurants and places of interest like museums, historic sites and local businesses. Oh well, that's just one option, and I'm sure once I look around, I'll find other activities I'd enjoy. Even if one doesn't feel comfortable dating, or lacks dating options!, you still need to get out of the house and involved with life. On that note now, I'm doing at the local Activity Center for my swim.
Aug 28 - 9PM
monilove
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I have the attraction

But can't seem to follow through. There are two guys I have been considering dating, but I am such an emotional wreck right now and I know its not fair to either of them. I would probably go out with them, things would start off good and then a) I'd start crying for some reason b) I'd chase them away with all the baggage I would probably dump on them or C) I'd talk non stop about the ex and all the rotten things he did to me. So let's see... My body says GO for it girl!.. My mind says" are you freakin' kidding me?". My thought is that its probably best not to subject someone to your issues while you are obsessing over the ex and of course you need to take time to heal. No matter how badly I want to start dating right now. I think I'd better wait. You can't deny attraction but maybe just avoid the temptation while you recover. Take Care Monique
Aug 28 - 9PM
Hunter
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Forever

You need understand yourself first! Are you in therapy? Are you reading? How will you better yourself? A man won't complete you. Hunter
Aug 30 - 11AM (Reply to #5)
Playedwithfire
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getting over the exN?

I like what I'm reading about this topic, but how does one know when they are over them? I've been out for 15 months, and very interested in dating, know what I'm will to accept and what I won't. Are there any specific thing to clarify if you are over you ex? Suggestions? PWF

Playedwithfire

Aug 30 - 5PM (Reply to #6)
SoaperGirl
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How to know if you are over the ex

Good question. You finally feel at peace. Thinking of them, looking at things that were associated with them, remembering old memories no longer is upsetting to you. The pain is gone, so is the longing, anger, bitterness, suffering, grief...all gone! Thinking of them no longer matters who they are with or what they doing. There's nothing there. You can finally let them go and get on with your own life. It sounds like you are very close to being over your narc if not already there! Finding yourself thinking more of finding a new love, or pursuing other activities is far more interesting and exciting to you than thinking of your ex. There's no point in thinking of them and find doing so is boring! You just don't care anymore! Now you are looking forward to and anticipating the future again. You are full of life, hope and vitality again. Life is good and you are glad of it!
Aug 28 - 8PM
Susan32
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Dating as a survival skill

Since I didn't get romantically/sexually involved with the ex-Psych prof, I used dating as a form of survival. I still believe that if I had NOT dated during my junior year... I would've been far more vulnerable. He would've seen me as "needy" and "lonely" and desperate enough to date&have sex with him. I would've fallen into his trap far more easily. I used dating as a way to get away from him, or as he put the situation "You don't want to be stuck with me for the rest of your life."
Aug 28 - 8PM
onwithmylife
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My opinion

it is not fair to any new guy to even try dating when you are still obsessed with the narc, THAT is not the answer and puts off recovery, it took me over 2 years to move on and others say at least one year to 18 months to recover, any new guy will sense you are not ready and will move on. If you want a date, my suggestion is make one with a good therapist who is well versed with personality disorders and will help you recover to go on and find a decent man who is not a narcissist, it is a recovery process which takes time and involves, your reading and understanding a much as you can about the disorder.
Aug 28 - 8PM
Deidre40
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My advice would be to take

My advice would be to take this time to heal, before dating. You have to get over your ex N before dating. It's not fair to you or future men, to go into a new relationship not yet healed. And besides. There's more to life than being with a man. You will find love again. Don't force it. Don't date someone to get over your ex, either. You have to do this in your own time. It sucks, I know...but, as you wait through the pain...you will heal. Please believe that. I promise, stay NC and do the hard work...and you'll get there. :=)