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Jun 6 - 10AM (Reply to #35)
hitandrun
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izzy23

What a crock huh? He used to say "Trust Me" all the time when I first met him. So I told him that when a person says that all the time, it means they are a liar. He stopped saying it immediately!!! I should have took it as a warning. I would love to confront the a$$hole , but I would probably end up in jail,too.
May 16 - 7PM (Reply to #30)
Susan32
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Fleeing the truth like vampires flee sunlight

Same here. I caught my ex-N in a BIG BIG LIE---he had a girlfriend from LA, she had moved in with him, and they were engaged. I had seen him as a potential boyfriend... and he could've said junior year that he already had a girlfriend. He didn't mind that I was in love with him, that he was attracted to me (and vice versa),but he couldn't stand my honesty. He liked it that I was enamored of him... but he DIDN'T WANT ME TO BE HONEST ABOUT IT. Very compartmentalized.
May 15 - 3PM (Reply to #11)
gullablegull (not verified)
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smileyfacepr

I really felt he was a dream come true... we complimented each other so well. Equal wits, great conversation, ........ I can't imagine being with anyone other than him, and being so comfortable......Up until the very end, he kept leading me on, looking at new houses, talking of tomorrows..........Liar! I saw his evil. In the end, it was there. As if he had become possessed by demons overnight......It is a frightening thing indeed. Eight years, and he finally showed it to me...Maybe if I keep remembering that, and nothing else, I can get through this lonely spell? We DO DESERVE BETTER!!! Actually, anyone deserves better than a PREDATOR!!
May 16 - 7AM (Reply to #20)
agnesmurphy17
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Lying in Wait

Somewhere on the internet I read a blog allegedly written by a 'psychopath.' The psychopath felt very superior to the 'narcissist.' According to this blog, the psychopath lies in wait calmly plotting the end game--then springs the trap, takes all & vanishes. According to this blog, the narcissist is inferior because everything is obtained by intimidation, tantrums, bullying & drama at every turn. I guess for the psychopath, the narcissist is not refined & calculating. Mine was definitely a narcissist--every 7-10 days an abusive episode of high drama lasting 3 days. I believe there was a subplot worthy of a psychopath--systematic extraction of my money. To this day I wonder if mine really was a psychopath. But then I do not think these categories are truly understood. And, there is a movement to eliminate NPD & incorporate the whole concept into psychopath. Not that this matters. I suppose for me leaving was easier because, during my marriage, I had very little happiness. The D&D started almost immediately after the marriage. After 2 1/2 years I left & being out of there was such a relief because my day-to-day life was traumatic (totally out of control & buffeted by N's moods). But you, on the other hand, seemed to have a rather contented marriage. I can only imagine how deceived & used you feel. It must be horrible. I doubt that anybody can give you much advice. Dr. Robert Hare, in Canada, is one of the foremost specialists on psychopaths in the world. Even he gets conned by psychopaths in the prisons upon whom he conducts his resesarch. Maybe Dr. Hare can give you a reference of a good psychologist or psychiatrist in your area who actually knows something about the effects of psychopathy on the victim. Because, frankly, I do not believe many people can understand what living in a pathological relationship really means. My N was so good at the game that his next woman was a psychiatrist. Fooled her. Some of these evil creatures are really good con-artists. Sounds like your's is a highly successful psychopath.
May 17 - 8AM (Reply to #28)
Barbara (not verified)
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psychopaths

all Psychopaths ARE NARCISSISTS TOO!!! that's the way the spectrum works! (but NOT all Narcissists are Psychopaths) so whoever wrote that blog is a self-important moron! LOL ~~~~~~~~~ Moving Forward: Coaching for Victims Pathologicals Feelings buried alive never die. - Alice Miller
May 16 - 7AM (Reply to #21)
gullablegull (not verified)
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agnesmurphy

" The D&D started almost immediately after the marriage. After 2 1/2 years I left & being out of there was such a relief because my day-to-day life was traumatic (totally out of control & buffeted by N's moods). But you, on the other hand, seemed to have a rather contented marriage. I can only imagine how deceived & used you feel. It must be horrible. I doubt that anybody can give you much advice. " Actually, my marriage sounds much like yours. There were many happy times, but they were mostly in the beginning. Most of my marriage was exactly like yours sounds. Moods constantly, emotional abuse, financial humiliations, sexual withholdings,etc... The past few days have been very difficult for me, a backslide I suppose, where I have wanted to retrieve into that Hell, just so that I don't have to face the Hell in front of me. A few very weak moments, but I feel better today...I slept last night and didn't have the nightmares of him calling my name over and over. Thank you for writing, and undoubtedly, mine is a psychopath, and undoubtedly, a plethora of other disorders as well. I will be so happy to get all this divorce crap over and start a new life, hopefully with a small home for me and the boys, and peace. A sweet, simple serenity away from insanity!
May 16 - 5PM (Reply to #27)
agnesmurphy17
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Gullable Gull

I, too, suffered from nightmares about him every night, all night. I'd wake up in a sweat, only to fall asleep to even more nightmares. This went on for 10 months or so. Sill sometimes have a nightmare. But it's gotten so much better. And the divorce was horrible. And, it didn't have to be. He made it so. Every contact is a set back. And, the uncertainity of a divorce & moving & finding a new home is very stressful. They always land on their feet without a care for the people they have stomped. I bet he sleeps well at night.
May 16 - 10AM (Reply to #22)
sanctuary
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gullablegull, I'm glad

gullablegull, I'm glad you're feeling a little better. The court stuff affects me the same way. I'll be doing fine and WHAM....an email from his lawyer or him, and I'm right back to a shaking anxious mess that can't think straight. Like you, my dream was to own my own home. I bought one after the divorce and have lived here for almost 7 years. Because of him now and not paying support, court, and all of the mental health pro's we've had to see, my home may be lost. I'll find out tomorrow about a loan modification. All he can do is try to use it against me. Says that I'm financially unstable. I've been doing it all on my own for yrs. It's only in the last 1 1/2 that things got rough because of his SHIT!!!! I don't care what he thinks about me, but that he doesn't care about his own daughter is what makes me sick to my stomach. I'm not expecting him to change,I know he won't. Like you I want it over. To get on with my life and let her get on with hers. When is your next court date and what is it for? I'm here if you need someone to talk with because I know how crazy those days are. Hang in there.
May 17 - 7AM (Reply to #26)
gullablegull (not verified)
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sanctuary

Good luck on your loan modification today! I pray that it will work for you. Let me know! I'm pulling for ya!
May 16 - 10AM (Reply to #23)
gullablegull (not verified)
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thanks sanctuary

My next court date coming up is June 7. It is a hearing on a fraudulent prenuptial agreement. So much will be determined by the outcome of that one.... I'm praying. I haven't worked in 22 years, nor did AH want me to... but he's denying that now too. I haven't been dx with the ptsd, though I have no doubt I have it...or whatever you want to call a nervous breakdown. I tremble, shake, jerk, and have no where near my prior state of mind. My attorney is making me do the mediation stuff too, which I dread more than anything! I do so much better when I'm not in his presence, or hearing his voice, or feeling his evil vibes in any way. I'm afraid I will fall apart, and look like the crazy one...... How do you support yourself? I'm 51 1/2....never saw it coming, and have no education, no experience, and no will right now to learn any. I'm beated down at the moment, as anyone else would be......... Thank you for your kind words, and yes, I need all the support I can get!
May 16 - 11AM (Reply to #25)
sanctuary
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Did you say somewhere that

Did you say somewhere that you didn't have to be at the June 7 hearing? Then the mediation would be next. Does your lawyer get to go to that? I know here they want you to try mediation but that would imply mediating between 2 normal people and we know he's not even human, let alone normal. The if you don't mediate they will try to hold that against you. Keep trying get DX for the PTSD. I didn't know what it was before coming here but I know I have it too. I was talking with my daughters therapist a few years ago and she says, "Are you really afraid of ExN?" I said yes that's what I've been trying to get through everyone's head. I asked why she said that. She told me I had gotten flushed and my skin had gotten red and blotchy, and I was shaking a little. I think at that point she got it better anyway. This wasn't all just an ex trying to get the other one. I've been self employed the past 5 yrs or so. And when the economy was good I just paid for everything even when my daughter came to live with me full time. It was just easier that way. I was doing renovations but of course we know how that business sector has dried up. I've gotten certified to do green building but have to build the company back up....and as you know hard to do with a mushy brain, no money, court, and ExN interfering all the time. I have a second co with a partner, who as it turns out, is an N. That's a whole other story!! He's the drivway ExN BF...That business went down by half but I still get paid part time as I do all the office work etc. I'm trying to find another part time job. Being self employed scares employers sometimes so its hard to find something. I saw an add for housekeepers the other days and I may try that if I can work school hours. quietude's idea for temp work is a good one at least to start. I did that after my first marriage and it worked out well. Don't feel bad, I'm 47, with a business degree and still am struggling. It might be easier for you in a way, because you won't be considered "over qualified." Some temp company's will train you too as you go along. I become a complete mess around ExN and his lawyer too...she's such a bitch...even lies in court. He's probably screwing her too. I've ordered copies of the proceeding just in case I have to use them on her.
May 16 - 10AM (Reply to #24)
quietude (not verified)
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gullable...

"My attorney is making me do the mediation stuff too"... Making you?? Are you paying this attorney? This is a lazy-ass way out for them, if at all possible, dump this sucker and find someone actually willing to fight for you. You should NOT have to be exposed more to your stbx more than absolutely necessary...ugh... As far as supporting yourself, try starting with a temp agency. You may have to take some of the more basic jobs, but it's a good way to start building your skills. If you don't mind filing, sorting, copying...those kinds of jobs, they could lead to other things. There may be someone willing to give you a chance...when I was in staffing, I would use someone who had a strong work ethic and would be dependable over someone who maybe was more skilled but flaky!
May 15 - 3PM (Reply to #12)
quietude (not verified)
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gullable..

Yes, their fantasy world continues, and our reality is to believe what they tell us. It's so disgusting. My ex put up the marriage charade until the end. The lie was 'we're getting married'. He had all the props...he proposed, we were living apart at the time, so he'd send me pictures of rings I might like, talk about the honeymoon, ask me what I wanted to wear...oh ya, he had me ROPED in alright. The whole time, he had no intention of actually getting married, just me going along with his f*cked up fantasy, dragging me into his world of deceit... The really crazy thing is, I really didn't want to get married again, but he lead me down the primrose path...trust him, trust him...AAARRRRGGGHHHH! Even when he was trying to lure me again, he'd talk about what a fabulous life we 'could' have...the trips, the fun, etc...only this time, I understood that it was all a big fake.
May 15 - 10PM (Reply to #15)
broken23
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quietude they are so sick. i

quietude they are so sick. i never understood why the marriage charade if they dont intend on following through. i gave him so many outs but he insisted on putting on the act until i was replaced then he just dissappeared. i guess ill never understand
May 15 - 11PM (Reply to #16)
quietude (not verified)
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izzy

Yep, that sure sounds familiar...giving them plenty of outs, yet they choose to stay and torture us. Before mine left the 2nd time, I had some candid chats with him. I told him he just didn't seem happy here, he misses things about home (he moved from another country), and he should be where he's happy. He insisted he just needed time..blah blah blah.. Of course, I believed him, and it renewed my sense of believing in the relationship, that this was just a 'normal bump'. You're so right, they tell you one thing, and they're scheming in the background...talking to God knows who, planning who knows what. I do think my ex really thought I'd take him back again. I guess I proved him wrong. We put our faith into them only to have the rug pulled out from under us...again and again. It's maddening...and no, we will never understand...I wouldn't want to understand how a totally warped brain works.
May 16 - 1PM (Reply to #18)
broken23
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quietude it helps to hear

quietude it helps to hear that it is familiar. there has been so many times where i thought it was me. that if i just did something right, or understood his needs better, things would be different. i also had so many candid chats with him after i took him back the first time...and i told him if please dont be in this if hes not serious, and he always reassured me we are figuring things out. so many times i flat out asked him if there is someone else he said no. the hardest part is wondering why he needed to make a fool out of me. why did he have to completely devalue me. its hard to comprehend their words mean NOTHING. Even the actions like being physical are meaningless. how is one ever supposed to catch on. its mind blowing no matter how many times i think about it.
May 16 - 2PM (Reply to #19)
Scoop
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Izzy

Just a few weeks before i left he was cuddling me and i said for him to stop as i didnt want to get bonded with him "its ok he said you can bond with me , why wouldnt you ?" .. a week befor we split he was crying for me like a child in bed as i refused to let him near me . and the day of the final bust up i asked him repeatedly "are you going to end it ?" he said "no im not " over and over again and then in a blink of an eye he told me to "get my shit and leave i dont love you i never had " ... psycopaths have the abillity to turn it on and of at will . They can switch a switch and the cold eyes kick in and that it . Mine would about every 3 months or so have these "turns" which would last for a few weeks and then me would start the hover ... Im diffrent this time , although i go from missing him to wanting to cut his head off i will never talk to him again , my boundrys are firmly in place . When i think of all the shit that has come out of his f**ked up narc mouth i feel sick that i even listerned to him , why did i listern to him? because my head was mash potato , this is the longest i have been no contact and it takes some time to start to see clearly , my house mate came back today after being away for 2 weeks and i can quite honestly say i dont really remember the last 2 weeks , he asked me what i have been doing and im not really sure , writing on here reading up on narcs ... so i am not out of the woods yet but there are glimses of light every so oftern ...
May 15 - 11PM (Reply to #17)
Susan32
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Giving them outs

I gave my ex-N PLENTY of outs junior year. I was trying to figure out what was bothering him. His eyes were vacant;yet his body language showed sadness, guilt, like he was trying to hide something. I told him we could stop having lunch together--I thought he was interested because he said yes,he did. I told him I could tell he was unhappy about something--he denied it. I told him I'd go to someone else with my essays--he said no, he was The One. Turns out yes, he did have a girlfriend... my cloned copy in LA. No wonder a friend of mine told me junior year,"He's using you in order to LOOK HUMAN." Barbara would agree with those sentiments(!!!)
May 15 - 3PM (Reply to #13)
gullablegull (not verified)
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Quietude

Quietude, that is so cruel! So terribly cruel! I'm sorry that happened to you...but I think you now see, that it was for the best don't you? I would not wish for anyone to be having to divorce one....because of that, you can't just let them go and save yourself with NC. You HAVE to confront the evil...and perhaps that's why I'm backsliding today? Knowing a very important trial is in less than 2 wks, then they want mediation? Him, ME, and a stranger? I want out of that mess! I can't do that! I can only survive if he is nowhere near. Too many mixed emotions still...way too soon. That was just as cruel as marrying you, what he did. He had you believing even more so that there would be a happily ever after....... Mine acted as if he really hated me when he left...... I believe he did? Though he told me I was a wonderful person, a wonderful wife, but he just wasn't happy? Wonder if he's happy now? I tried to tell him...you haven't been trying! You've cut me out and tuned me out! We used to be so happy! To which he replied "I was under the guise of being happy". WTF????? Didn't even say anything like you were special, I'll always think of you....no courtesies....Roger out! I never got a chance to be angry with him! COWARD
May 15 - 4PM (Reply to #14)
quietude (not verified)
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gullable..

Thank you for the validations, it's always a good feeling when people 'get it'! Oh yes, I am thrilled NOW that he left, and no wedding took place! If it weren't for NC, I would tell him Thank You, you did me a favor! lol My heart goes out to you, that you still have to deal with him...but yes, take in what is said here by people who've been through it. Too bad we have to be so 'tricky' when dealing with an N?? People we'd normally wouldn't be...but you have to fight fire with fire. Barbara has posted some great tips on surviving court...I've been through divorce court/custody battle with a physically abusive alcoholic ex husband. Dealing with an ABnormal person is a game-changer...I agree, screw mediation...all these guys want that so they can have more control of the outcome. That means, WE wind up the losers... As far as what he's said to you ~ Oh, ya...I got similar...he dropped hints before he left, "I (meaning me) deserve better.."..and the goodbye note was all about how I'm such a good woman, he only wishes the best for me, but his heart just isn't in it anymore. I'm convinced there are CLIFF'S notes somewhere on what to say in any given situation for these guys! lol He's not happy now, not in the true sense like you and I know. I know it's hard to take in, but N's always get bored eventually...they are vampires who always need fresh, new blood in order to survive. They can't survive on their own, they have no read identity, they aren't human. Anything you say to them goes right over their head, as they are convinced of what is coming out of their mouth at any given moment is how things are, how they want them to be. No matter who they step on, or lure...it's all to suit their purpose. It's totally creepy to me now that I cared for an empty, cardboard cut-out. But don't ever let it make you think there was anything wrong with you for doing so...it just means that they are that good at conning people...ANYONE, no matter what walk of life. Look at the women who post here, smart, good people...it has nothing to do with that. I never told mine off either, I had plenty of opportunities, but decided that NC was the only way to save myself from a lifetime of being on that miserable merry-go-round with him. You're right, they are total cowards.
May 15 - 2PM
Scoop
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It is the hardest fact to

It is the hardest fact to face that do not feel anything , they never did , it was all a lie . Have you read women who love psycopaths yet ? If not get it and read it now ! you can down load it right away .. It changed the way i was thinking , i had so many questions and it brings it all together . We are and where always dealing ith someone who was brain damaged . I feel your pain , such abandonment is mind numbing to see . The past counts for nothing to them . I like to think my narc feels ashamed at what he did but i know that that would be an emotion he cant understand . You are not alone here .. , im thinking of you on this Saturday night . I have a beer in the fridge as my no contact calendar tells me its nine weeks no contact ! I have been reading this board for a year and have tryed to leave many times . Big love to you Scoop x
May 15 - 11PM (Reply to #5)
quietude (not verified)
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scoop

Sounds like a good ritual you have going there! Anything to help in the healing process. Good for you to keep NC for 9 weeks!! After many months, I had to remind myself how long it had been?? It kind of blurs after a while, as you replace a lot of terrible memories with a renewed sense of self. I don't think they feel ashamed, I think they get annoyed that we won't be a part of their sick world anymore. They don't understand why we would not want to stay connected to such a godly person! I think that quickly turns into one of their favorite things ...BLAMING US. That's the easiest route for them to take, it seems. Mine blamed me for the demise of our relationship in the end because I wouldn't talk to him and work it out! To them, they're oh so clever. To the rest of the world, their freaking idiots.
May 15 - 11PM (Reply to #6)
Susan32
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The Blame Game

"One of their favorite things... BLAMING US."-When I caught onto my ex-N's sick little game, he accused me of "disrespect","lowering him to my level" and that I had a "low opinion of him." Sorry, my friends thought he was a jerk (he didn't like it when I talked that way,he took umbrage to me saying my friends thought he was a jerk,and that he treated me like cr@p) As one of my friends told me,"You have all the respect in the world for him." Blaming=lack of responsibility I was sick of my ex-N's infantile,constant projection. He NEVER fessed up for having humiliated me (he said it was all my fault),NEVER fessed up to his dishonesty (he claimed I "violated" him when I exposed him) Yep, they go for the easy way out... they're so cowardly.
May 16 - 12AM (Reply to #7)
Barbara (not verified)
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Blame Shifting

A common bully tactic. It goes right along with changing the subject and making accusations. As long as he can somehow make you believe that it was all your fault, he's off the hook and you're either left wondering what just hit you or you're falling over yourself (and him) to make it up to him. If you go for the latter option, there is a good chance that he will milk it for all it's worth. It's not always your fault though. It could be his boss, the clerk at the grocery store, the bank teller, the guy who cut him off on the freeway, a lack of sleep, a worrying situation … anyone or anything at all as long as it's not him. Blame shifting is not always obvious because it is not always directly linked to the situation at hand. For example, you complain that he's been touchy and short with you for over a week. A direct blame shift would be to say something like, "that's because you didn't fetch my suit from the cleaners last Tuesday". You were the cause and you're getting the consequence. It's an inappropriately extended punishment, but at least there's a straight line relationship between the two things. With an oblique response, he could have said something like, "well, I blew my job interview on Wednesday." Now you are meant to take up the delightful task of extricating from him exactly why he believes he blew the interview, which at the end of a two hour session will come down to the fact that he felt uncomfortable because he could not wear his favourite suit …. Because you never fetched it from the cleaners." If subtlety is his strength and he knows that it works on you, he would have stopped at the point of not being able to wear his favourite suit and left you to come to your own guilty conclusion as to whose fault that was. A different type of indirect relationship between cause and effect is that he tells you he's been nasty to you because his lucky pen was stolen a week ago. It has nothing at all to do with you, but it shifts blame away from him. Now the cause of your misery is no longer him, it is the unknown person who stole his pen. Either way he wins. If nobody in the situation is to blame, then there is no way to resolve the problem. If you are to blame, then you must fix it. As for him, he is just an innocent victim and utterly blameless, therefore unable to do anything at all to find a solution, but totally justified in being a sod. http://www.cosmicwalk.co.za/games-blaming.html ~~~~~~~~~ Moving Forward: Coaching for Victims Pathologicals Feelings buried alive never die. - Alice Miller
May 16 - 5AM (Reply to #8)
Scoop
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The ultimate blame shifter..

The ultimate blame shifter.. thats the narc . i have a couple of gems for you ... when i though i was pregnant he said " if you didnt want to get pregnant why did you sleep with me , its your fault you got pregnant you slept ith me " on asking why he has treated me like shit he said " i never wanted to be with you , i told you that all along , i was just doing my thing and you came along and wanted a relationship " oh the humanity , for the love of god why did i listern to all the crap that came spewing out of him mouth .No contact nine weeks and ONE DAY ! Scoop x
May 15 - 3PM (Reply to #2)
gullablegull (not verified)
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Scoop

So you celebrate a beer every month of NC? That's too cute. I'm having a hard time celebrating anything. I don't like to think of it as a pity party, but a transformation it is. I am 51. I don't want to go to bars, drink too much, cuss, or end up crying. I'm trying to live my life for the Lord from here on out, for he's the only thing that has always stayed with me, that will always love me. Sometimes I find great comfort in the Word..but there's that part of me that loves to live! We would have been on the waterway today, for sure. He took both boats..and I'm sure that's what he's doing with OW. I'm in his house for now, but not for long. Sure he will get it in the divorce, since he strategized that so carefully and fraudulently. We all say how empty they are, they can't feel, etc.....but he's always smiling! Seems he's always having fun? And here I sit...do I clean house or work on the divorce legals some more. It's not fair. I gave him the very best of me, and he just threw his whole family away.....I feel so bad for the children too. They're so hurt. Thanks for writing...theres always another broken heart on here, no matter what time of day or night isn't there?
May 17 - 2AM (Reply to #3)
happydaysahead
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Count me in

I am having one of those days as well :( I finally figured out the projecting thing. Dumb ass kept accusing me of cheating with a friend that I have had for 25 years--he is like the brother I never had--accused me over and over. And what do I find out ?? HE was the one that was cheating !! All that time I was doing everything I could to prove to him that I was not cheating !! Can you say DUH ?!?!?
May 17 - 6AM (Reply to #4)
Barbara (not verified)
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teesme2000

All that time I was doing everything I could to prove to him that I was not cheating yup - they hope to keep you so busy doing that you won't notice what THEY are up to!!! ~~~~~~~~~ Moving Forward: Coaching for Victims Pathologicals Feelings buried alive never die. - Alice Miller