Importance of Boundaries with Narcissists

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Importance of Boundaries with Narcissists

by Susan J. Elliott, J.D., M.Ed.
GETTING PAST YOUR PAST

Boundaries are a good litmus test of who can stay and who must go. Those who do not respect them, must go. Sometimes we can retrain those in our lives that we’ve grown a backbone and will not back down, other times they are boundary crashers extraordinaire or relentless manipulators and there is NO HOPE for the relationship. But the only way to find out is to draw a boundary and stick with it.

As I’ve said here before, my experience as someone who has developed boundaries (sometimes ironclad boundaries, much to the chagrin of others who would prefer I didn’t have any or that there was a hole in my boundaries) and who has been teaching boundary setting to clients and students for MANY years, know that there is probably no way to say TOO MUCH about boundaries: developing them and keeping them. Boundaries simply say, “I begin and end one place and you begin and end another place.”

In other words, we know who owns what and who is responsible for what. We’re not enmeshed and/or taking on each other’s “stuff.”

We stop making excuses for people and stop rescuing them. We also take responsibility for our own stuff and stop waiting for someone else to help us out of our predicaments.

Too often we have trouble setting boundaries because we think that people won’t think we’re “nice.” Too often we think, “Well if you love someone you do this for them….”

True love, real love, healthy love NEVER EVER EVER requires that you give up chunks of your soul that you really don’t want to give and don’t have to give. NEVER EVER.

We need to understand that it is more important to be healthy than to be popular.

Our own mental health MUST be more important than someone being angry at us because we said “NO” or we made them do it themselves.

We have to sit with the discomfort of setting boundaries and after a while, it will get easier. We have to learn that no is a one word sentence. "I’m leaving" is a two word sentence. Stop explaining and trying to smooth things over. Once you start setting boundaries without having to lecture on them, people will stop nagging you to explain yourself every 5 minutes. Cultivate the mindset, even if you don’t say it out loud, “Because I am.” “Because I said so.” “Because that’s the way it is. PERIOD.” “It is what it is.” To this day I STILL do the rude inner dialogue that I need to do in order to do the healthy outer dialogue. Inside I am saying, “Too bad if you don’t like it, this is how it is….” when outwardly I’m being polite yet firm, “I’m sorry, I’m not able to do that.”

If you’ve been afraid that people won’t like you if you set a boundary, you may have become the victim of a lot of people who have NO sense of boundaries.

Usually people with weak boundaries become targets of boundary crashers (Narcs & Psychopaths)… those who would sail over your boundaries even if you had them.

You have to know that there are a lot of people who can and will take advantage of weak boundaries. Having strong boundaries will let these people know to look elsewhere.

Having strong boundaries does not make you mean or bad or any other label that people will put on you if they resent your boundaries. Having strong boundaries makes you attractive to healthy people who like knowing where you stand. Having strong boundaries will weed out unhealthy people AND unhealthy people will STOP messing with you. (and won’t that be lovely? Believe me, it is.)

The people who LIKE people with no boundaries are NOT the people worth knowing. AT ALL.

Setting boundaries feels tough and weird in the beginning and you feel afraid about someone not liking you or thinking you mean or selfish or horrible, but after a while you realize that the tradeoff is peace of mind.

Boundaries are for nice people too. It’s not a matter of becoming a terrible person or a difficult person.

BOUNDARIES recognize that you end one place and I end somewhere else. All good boundaries do that.

It’s not a matter of not being a nice person any more. It’s just a matter of getting “tough enough” so that people aren’t walking on you, so that you’re not suppressing your true feelings and so that you’re not “playing nice” just for a chance to play.

It’s a matter of not winding up seething with resentment or anger that you can’t express. If anyone deserves boundaries, it’s the nice people of the world.

Remember, you cannot (CANNOT CANNOT CANNOT) draw a boundary AND take care of someone else’s feelings. You simply cannot. Having boundaries says, “My needs are important. I need you to listen to me about this.”

If you’ve been BOUNDARY-LESS for a while, putting new boundaries into place is going to be met with some resistance and some feedback. People might get angry, people might tell you that you are being MEAN. Be prepared for it but keep doing it. The BEAUTIFUL thing about boundaries is that after a while, people know you have them and they don’t even go there. Give a damn, for once, that YOU are being nice to you… that YOU don’t think you’re being mean to you… rather than caring about what everyone else wants or needs.

If you don’t want to do certain things, don’t do them. Learn to say no or not now or not this year.

If you need to stop caring about what others think of you by not doing this or doing that, do it or don’t do it.

Remember to take care of you. And the very best way to be good to you is to develop boundaries!!!

BE GOOD TO YOU!

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Feb 23 - 12AM
Piscesdream
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I'm bookmarking this one.

I'm bookmarking this one. This should be my mantra. =)
Feb 22 - 6PM
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Importance of Boundaries with Narcissists

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Nov 22 - 3AM
Marie
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thanks for this

This was a great post now I'm not feeling so guilty.
Nov 20 - 6PM
time_to_move_on
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Barbara, am curious...

In the UK, we don't class personality disorders as a mental illness (as mentioned in your post below) is that because we generally ignore them? Just being curious. Conversely, I know someone who works in social services in the UK. She told me they will request mental health teams to go out and assess an individual. But if the team comes back and says, "personality disorder, we won't touch them", the ball is then back in the social services team to try and deal with them (if at all). I don't get why the mental health team won't deal with them.. is it just because it's pointless? May be an isolated case.
Nov 20 - 7PM (Reply to #9)
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nope - it's the NHS 'way'

I have a number of friends and some family in the U.K. and the NHS is NOTORIOUS for not dealing with mental health issues... at all. One of my friends is severely disabled like me and she can't get regular health care, let alone mental health care. A man I know who is my age suffers from manic depression and is bipolar and he's been assessed a number of times but then, nothing is done... same for another woman I know who lives just outside Bath... severe mental illness - the mental health team won't deal with them. Just ignores them. Usually the doctors on the NHS are clueless and therefore do nothing. It's truly sad. It appears if you don't have money in the U.K. you're out of luck. ~~~~~~~~~~~~ My Abuse Information Site Online Coaching & Help
Nov 20 - 3PM
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the vital importance of boundaries

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Nov 20 - 3PM
Barbara (not verified)
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the vital importance of boundaries

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Jun 16 - 12PM
Barbara (not verified)
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boundaries & narcissists

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Jun 1 - 8AM
Barbara (not verified)
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bumping this up

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Jun 1 - 10AM (Reply to #4)
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Boundaries

Thank you for posting this again. Setting boundaries feels foreign when you have never learned how to set them. Since i kicked STBXNH out of my house last weekend, I have been doing NO COTACT, unless about kids. It really feels good to set boundaries for myself. What spoke to me in the article was the fear of being seen as mean. I never realized how much I cared about what other people think of me, or how they perceive my actions. I also never understood that setting boundaries is an act of self love. I realized that it is ok that other people are angry with me if I set boundaries. It is ok to take care of myself and my children. It is ok to stand up for myself and not take anymore abuse. It is ok not to have to do everything "right." Doing what is right is taking care of myself, my kids, and setting boundaries, and letting other people deal with the consequences of their behavior. Once again, thank you for posting article.
May 11 - 8AM
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DOs and DON'Ts when Dealing with Narcissists

Top 10 "DON'Ts" 1. Don't ignore warning signs If someone attempts or threatens harm to yourself, your children, to themselves or to others take immediate action to remove yourself from the situation, call the police and put the experts in charge. Don't ignore warning signs. 2. Don't ignore the mental illness One over-riding principle that we must bear in mind when it comes to supporting or coping with a loved-one or family member who suffers from a personality disorder is that the "normal rules" of relationships or logic, may not apply. Personality Disorders are mental illnesses, and those who suffer from them are prone to being inconsistent, not logical, unpredictable, self destructive etc. Therefore what "works" in a typical relationship may not necessarily "work" when dealing with a person who suffers from a personality disorder. We need to study a different play book, politely ignore the well-meaning advice of people who have no experience with disorders and stop comparing our situation to those of people who are unaffected by a mental illness the way we are. 3. Don't keep searching for a cure Many people are looking for answers to explain the way someone is treating them and to tell them how to make things better. However, at this time there is no known cure for personality disorders. We encourage you to explore them with the help of a qualified mental health professional. But we also encourage you to let go of any false hope that you will find a magic pill or strategy that will immediately make all of the problems go away. This kind of approach will usually lead to disappointment. 4. Set and Maintain Personal Boundaries Many of us Non-PD's have taken a beating for years and over time we can forget what it means or feels like to be in a healthy relationship. We may interpret popular ideas such as "unconditional love", "loyalty", "taking the high ground", "turning the other check" or "till death do us part" to mean that we should give everything we have to give in relationships and expect nothing in return. That is not the foundation of a healthy relationship but of a dysfunctional relationship. That is not love - it is the grown-up equivalent of spoiling a child and will ultimately lead to tragedy. The antidote to allowing people to walk all over you is to set and maintain personal boundaries. 5. Don't go it alone Isolation is one of the most popular control strategies in the abusive person's playbook because it is one of the most effective. It is a variant of the classic "divide and conquer" approach. When one person mistreats another person, they will very often try to isolate that person by controlling their access to resources, other people, friends, family, social groups etc. If you are in a situation where you are being isolated, or someone else is controlling when you can go out and who you can spend time with you must recognize that isolation is a form of emotional abuse which it is not healthy for you to tolerate. Everybody needs support from wherever they can get it including friends, family, outside groups and interests and it is not unreasonable for you to want that - especially if the person with whom you are closest has a personality disorder. 6. Don't get your hopes up at the first signs of improvement. It is extremely common for people who suffer from personality disorders to go through drastic mood swings and changes in behavior. It is just as common for the people on the receiving end - Non-PD's to get their hopes up during the up's and take it as a good sign that things are getting better. The Personality disordered person may truly believe that they have changed - but they can't really tell until some time has gone by. This can lead Non's very vulnerable to Hoovering and disappointment. In general it is not a good idea to look at a few days or even a few weeks behavior as evidence of any recovery. Average someone's behavior over a YEAR or TWO and you will get a much more accurate picture. 7. Don't work for approval If you are living with someone who suffers from a personality disorder, their actions, words and moods will go up and down with their feelings. If you are looking to them for approval for your own actions, you will receive very mixed messages from them about what they want,what they think of you , what they like and dislike and what kind of person they think you are. Sometimes they will give you a glowing report and sometimes they will shoot you down. This can be extremely difficult to live with and it means you are going to have to take your self-evaluation elsewhere - perhaps to a trusted friend, family member or therapist, perhaps in your own mind. You need feedback that is objective and stable and based on truth and you are not likely to get that from a person with a personality disorder, who may not always know what is good fro themselves, let alone you. Therefore don't judge your performance by the approval rating of the personality disordered individual in your life. Do what is right - not what is popular with them. 8. Don't have a baby! If you suspect you are in a relationship with a person who suffers from a personality disorder, you should think long and hard before bringing a child into the mix. A volatile temper and an inconsistent or malignant kind of love is no place to grow healthy children. A large majority of relationships involving at least one person with a personality disorder end in separation or divorce. 9. Don't keep a gun in the house! Or anything else that is likely to make a volatile situation worse. 10. Don't leave your valuables in temptation's way You might want to consider separate bank accounts, secure passwords and keeping irreplaceable items out of the house. Top 10 "DO's" 1. Put children first Whether you're committed to staying or getting a divorce. Whether you are dealing with a parent, grandparent or sibling. No matter what your situation it is always good policy to put the needs of minor children first. They don't have the tools - or the legal right - to get out of a bad situation by themselves so they are dependent on the mentally healthy adults in their lives to do it for them. If you are divorced or getting a divorce and involved in a custody dispute, this is especially true. 2. Protect yourself If you find yourself in any kind of situation which involves violence or threats of violence towards people and property (including self-harm or threats of suicide) you should immediately call the police and get the professionals to do their job. 3. Educate yourself! Learn all you can by reading about Personality Disorders, Common Behaviors and learn the lingoy. Read real stories and Books. 4. Accept your situation This takes time but the sooner you can accept the reality of the mental illness in a loved one and move from thinking about the way things should be to thinking about the way things really are the sooner you can start making better choices for yourself, your kids and ultimately for the personality disordered person in your life. 5. Get Help! Surround yourself with as much stable and reliable support as you can muster. Join A Support Group 6. Work on Yourself - Pursue your dreams! When you spend so much tie and energy worrying about a loved one it can be very easy to neglect your own needs. This can lead to depression. We encourage you to consider your own needs just as highly as any loved-one or family member who has a personality disorder. 7. Take the Long Term View Living or dealing with a person who suffers from a personality disorder can be a volatile struggle full of ups an downs. We encourage you to take the long view in your decisions, so that you are not thrown off course by the passing storms. http://outofthefogsite.com/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Free articles & information for abuse victims: http://abusesanctuary.blogspot.com Cost-Effective Coaching for Victims of Pathologicals http://one2one4victims.webs.com/
Sep 8 - 4PM (Reply to #2)
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maintaining SHARP BOUNDARIES

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