an 'i'm sorry' would help so much

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#1 Sep 19 - 12PM
kiwi10
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an 'i'm sorry' would help so much

I was just thinking. My X before the N, was abusive. We were really young. He was a really bad alcholic, cheated and hit me. You know what? We are bet friends now. He says things like 'I feel like I primed you for this asshole, and I'm going to spend the rest of my life making up to you how bad I was to you. I'm so sorry'. He says he tried to do something to make up for it every day of his life. He's always there for me, takes me out, and tells me I'm a great person. Being with an abusor is a bad thing. But you know what? There is even a huge difference in someone who is an abusor and someone who is a N abusor.
After my husband beat me with a belt for hours, the next morning i went up to him with tears in my eyes and showed him the bruises. He looked at me in digust and went on getting dressed for work. He told my friends 'She beat the door down, so i must have wanted more'. He refers to that as 'the worst night of his life'.
He's never sorry. He'll appologize occasionally, then all is supposed ot be forgiven. if it's not, he gets angry.
this is what prevents me, personally from having closure. I can't fucking forgive what he did to me. He goes around saying 'see, i left her! she was crazy'. My x says i am an amazing beautiful person and nothing is wrong with me. that gave me peace, closure, and the ability to forgive and feel free. they fucking rob us of that. My X was abusive, and I can move on after 8 years with him being abusive so easily. just because of the simple phrase 'it wasn;t your fault' being uttered. he is now with someone else, and guess what? tried not to repeat the same patterns!! Our N's will...
Just needed to say that. you guys feel the same way?

Sep 20 - 8PM
kiwi10
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about appologies

the funny thing, in my experience, is how they will say they are sorry for things that they either didn't do, weren't that bad, or weren't the real problem. for example: mine beat me, cheated on me, ignored me, rejected me, and so much more. then, in a charitable moment he said 'i think my job ruined my marriage. i'm also sorry i didn;t fuck you enough, i'm just getting old'. so i'm sorry i didn't spend enough time with you and give you my precious cock.
Sep 20 - 11AM
terri
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sorry can be just a word

I've been told "I'm sorry" so many times by the N. At first, I always believed him but now know it was just another tactic. I think they even believe that saying "I'm sorry" should just erase the pain of the offense as well as the memory of it forever. I've also been told that I don't know how to apologize and that I'm the one who doesn't feel empathy because I don't apologize as freely as he does. It can take me awhile to reconsider what I've said and done and when I do apologize, it's extremely sincere and I NEVER do or say again what I'm apolozing for. Even after an apology, a narc will continue to commit the transgression.

Believe in yourself!
Terri

Sep 19 - 10PM
gettinbetter
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Its impossible for them to

Its impossible for them to be sorry as that defies the heart of their disorder lack of empathy. Sorry means you empathize with the other person. They are not capable of feeling empathy. Now I do believe they do know right from wrong so I think when some of them say sorry I think what they are really saying is I know I did something wrong. They know they did but they dont feel it.
Sep 19 - 10PM
gettinbetter
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I got what seemed to be a

I got what seemed to be a heartfelt sincere apology for how he behaved 15 years ago. Well... IT MEANT NOTHING! said he would never treat me like that again that he was just young and stupid. He may have been sorry in that moment but that was it. A person who has no empathy has absolutely to capability to be sorry. Sorry is just a word they say because they know they are "supposed" to say it in order to get you to behave the way they want you to.
Sep 19 - 2PM
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Your quote:

"this is what prevents me, personally from having closure. I can't fucking forgive what he did to me." Honey, it's 100% possible to get the closure you need if you never ever forgive him. And I'll bet my next paycheck that if he did apologize, he'd do it again the next time you "deserved it". You were victimized by a horrible excuse for a human being. Even the most lenient judge would have thrown his ass in jail for what he did to you. He is disturbed, he is a monster. There are a lot of them on death row, or prison for life, who've killed and never "apologize" to the family of the one they killed. An apology from a Narc is worthless. And it's a waste of your life to even hope for it :( It won't mean anything, anyway :( You are going through what many women have gone through before you. You aren't forging an unique path through a unique situation. It just feels that way because you haven't experienced it before. Take our words on faith, if you have to. A simple apology will NOT make it all better. Even if he fell on his face and groveled, reported himself to the cops and went to jail for a year over it. It would NOT make you feel better!!! Not in the long run. What gets you over this is time, and understanding and growth and healing. YOu are so early on in the process. You've got to give yourself a break. And in your other thread, I suggested you get a little extra help :) . We all need it! Considering what you went through, my god. It's a wonder you are as sane as you are. You are super tough. You are incredibly sane . . . just in terrible pain. It will get better, much better. Just take steps toward what your sisters here tell you WILL make it better. Stop hoping and wishing for HIM to do something to make it better! He's the one who humiliated you in the first place. That's just nuts to hope the one who victimized you will be the one to help you heal from it. It's called Trauma Bonding, that's what it is :(
Sep 19 - 12PM
lisalisa47
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HOW ABOUT THIS, INSTEAD?

FORGIVE them for not being able to aplogize for the things, that on THEIR planets, are perfectly acceptable. I ended my one letter to him with , "and so with love, i let you go". And even though many would say he didn't deserve it, i know that while I will finally move on, like all of us, he will be stuck with his tortured soul forever...(and will probably come back to earth as a Walmart button) LML

LML

Sep 19 - 5PM (Reply to #12)
kiwi10
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i dont want to forgive him.

i dont want to forgive him. i already have so many times. thats what he wants. no consequenses.
Sep 19 - 11PM (Reply to #13)
lisalisa47
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But....

As much as i understand that (and i myself like to think of my ex narc in jail bemoaning the fact that he lost the "supply of his life" (substitute the word for "LOVE" lol) remember in forgiving him, YOU are letting it go off of you...But, you will GET to that point when you are ready, grasshopper....Love Lis

LML

Sep 19 - 12PM
lisalisa47
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Hi - YEs, i relate

My ex ex (narc?) husband admitted he was a NARC but now i don't think he was. Yes, he was abusive, called me names, pushed me around a bit, and yelled at me (especially during our DRUG days) but he always also apologized and tried to explain that his world was "Black" and he didnt' know why. He also explained that he knew he couldn't make anyone happy, unless he himself was happy, but he wasn't. And, although he wasn't willing to try, and he didn't like ANYONE, he did LOVE me in his own way. He never got tired of me sexually, infact, that was the one area of our relationship where he showed any emotion at all. When we finally broke up 18 years later ( i had prayed he would find a GF, which he finally did) he cried and told me i could always count on him to be a friend - which he has been, along with his finacee who i LOVE. In fact, when i called him about what had happend with my narc,m and the cops etc. he cried over the phone, and so did she and asked me to come stay with them a week or so. which i did. And, although the GF and I had NO problem with it, it did make him uncomfortable which he was man enough to admit. And, i needed my own place, which i got. but the mian point is, he is NOT cruel and he is my friend STILL. and would do anything for me that he could. The ex narc in jail still won't even admit there's a problem, and of course, he's in jail through NO FAULT OF HIS OWN. You will never get an admittance or a sorry from them for the things that hurt you. Mine DID apologize a few times, and seemed to really mean it as he admitted ONCE that he was confused as to why he was neglecting me when he loved me....THAT threw me, but he never let it happen again. Usually they crawl back in their shell, and there they stay - lying to themselves, feeling they have nothing to apologize for. Great pic by the way...Lisa LML

LML

Sep 20 - 2AM (Reply to #2)
Alive
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saying sorry

I never heard ' Im so sorry'. Once yes ONCE he said 'you never deserved that' but that was after we split up! LOL He was cruel with his words and thats all i got. When he said this i knew in my heart that was BS because more was to follow. This was before i knew about Ns and before i found this site!!. Now i sort of understand,( as i am still reading trying to educate myself). He upset our kid the other day, he said sorry to the child but i KNOW more is to come. :( I know now that all HE wanted was to speak with me, I will not tolerate this behaviour, NC, NC, NC :)
Sep 20 - 11AM (Reply to #3)
kiwi10
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bull-shit appologies

i think those are even more infuriating. you know why? because when you don't except them, you look like a bitch. i get those all the time... just always too late, not at all sincere, and completely maddening in their obvious tone of underlying seething hatred.
Sep 20 - 1PM (Reply to #7)
better off
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And what if you do? What

And what if you do? What if... you look like a bitch? Why does that seem like the worst thing that could happen? I don't think it makes you look like a bitch, but if I did... so what? So many abuse victims (and I used to be this way too) are somehow terrified that they'll look like a bitch, seem like a bitch, or even, horrors, BE a bitch. Somehow this is so much worse than the fact that the abuser is... an abuser. A cruel abusive animal seeking to hurt you is one thing... just don't think I'm a bitch!!!! Aaaahhh!!!! I'm not picking on you, I'm trying to shine some light on these irrational false ideas that TRAP people into lives of despair. Last year I read a book that had come out by Beverly Engel called The Nice Girl Syndrome and as I recall, it dealt with all of this... very eye-opening. I highly recommend it to anyone in recovery.
Sep 21 - 4PM (Reply to #9)
anonymous
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Nice Girl Syndrome

I'm reading it now. It's awesome. And explains A LOT about me. After reading the part about it's OK and actually HEALTHY to be angry about what happened to me, I got really, really pissed off. And boy did it feel good. After he dumped me but before I could talk to him or write to him and explain my feelings - he wrote me this totally condescending, pompous, pontificating e-mail in which he said things like I was the most sexy, passionate woman he'd ever met and I need to leave my husband and open myself up to finding a man who would accept me AND my daughter and that men would be lining up at the door. Blah, blah, blah - he said a bunch of SHIT like that in the e-mail. And so when I got really pissed the other day, I composed in my head a condescending, pompous, pontificating response.... and here it is for your reading pleasure: Dear J, Just how does one so poorly endowed become a misogynist? Is it by having a weak, passive-aggressive father who never had the balls to simply tell his wife what was bothering him? Or is it the never-resolved Oedipal conflict and having to live with yourself every day knowing there's no one on the planet you'd like to fuck more than your mother? Or, is it simply from being poorly endowed? Love always, M
Sep 21 - 4PM (Reply to #10)
kiwi10
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ahahahahaha they wanna fuck

ahahahahaha they wanna fuck their moms!!
Sep 20 - 1PM (Reply to #8)
Alive
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Thankyou

I will try and get a hold of this book. Oh my goodness i have been called bitch many times but i have also been called far worse! ;) LOL
Sep 20 - 12PM (Reply to #4)
Alive
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Oh yes

Im the bitch now, i will not except apologies from him ever. He phoned back to say to the child 'you said you were at *******, thats why blah blah blah'!! then said to to the child ' i love you', NO YOU DON'T you idiot, what he just done was- Have a rage at the child because he could not rage at me. Then said sorry to the child next day and that was it. Nothing more was said to kid and he carried on as nothing ever happened. Exactly what he done to me. But i know better now and i will give every last bit of strength that i have to NOT let him treat my child the way he treated me. They are objects to them. x :)
Sep 20 - 1PM (Reply to #5)
terri
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happynow

This story about calling and raging at the child instead of you reminds me of the Alec Baldwin epidose a couple of years ago. These N's are everywhere!!

Believe in yourself!
Terri

Sep 20 - 1PM (Reply to #6)
Alive
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terri

I will have to re-read this episode on Alec Baldwin- I can't remember it??