I Prefer Crumbs- What's wrong with me pt. 2

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#1 Nov 11 - 9AM
wannaletgo22
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I Prefer Crumbs- What's wrong with me pt. 2

I continue to engage with a man who shows me over and over again that he does not want me, does not respect me, and does not care about me. And, no, to say I engage with him is too easy. I am responsible too. Yes, he always comes back. But the truth is I don’t let him go either. I have chased after him, a man who has treated me like a piece of garbage.

Well, surely, he must give me something in return, something that makes all the games and bullshit worth it. Nope, I get almost nothing from him at this point. A compliment here or there, some decent conversations, sex once in a blue, but that’s really about it. Mostly, I just give him another opportunity to reject me and shit on me while he is doing it.

So, WHY, WHY, WHY am I choosing this? And it is a choice. Well, I think it’s because I actually prefer crumbs to the whole loaf of bread. And if there is a silver lining to this ridiculous situation, it's that I must face that reality.

I grew up on crumbs. I'm not sure if my father is an N...and he is a far better man than the N I was involved with...but something about this dynamic feels similar. There is an aloofness...an unavailable and impenetrable quality to them both...and to every man I've ever really wanted.

So why do I give up some much (my freaking dignity) for so little in return? Because I have been conditioned to work for crumbs, ration them and live off of them. I am used to starving…I am comfortable needing and wanting.
My nature is extremely emotional and loving...and I have a need to express the affection I feel for others. Growing up, I think that was too much for my father - it overwhelmed him. I remember running up to him and trying to hug and kiss him when he arrived home from work...and he would always give me a little pat, brush me aside and say "you're such a pest," "stop hanging on me," or "you're so NEEDY." He still does that to me sometimes, at 31 years old, I'll ask him for a hug, and he will say the same things. He rarely complimented me....except when he'd been drinking...and even then, they were double-edged (You would be a knock-out if you'd lose weight)...or tied to him somehow (god, you are so smart...but not as smart as your dad..hahaha). But man, I craved them...and so, I would CHERISH those little crumbs, learn how to work for them, and live off of them for months and months.

I've known for a long time that there was something wrong with me in terms of dating and my relationship with men. When a guy is really into me...compliments me a lot and wants to do nice things for me...I don’t really trust him….what’s a compliment if you don’t have to work for it? Worthless. No, but it freaks me out...and I usually run away. This guy, N, is the only guy I've ever chased.

I actually started dating someone new about a month ago (at a point when I really thought I'd never hear from N again, b/c trust me, the last thing I want to do is to hurt someone else by involving them in this mess). My best friend and her husband set me up with him. He treats me as an equal, with respect...takes me out to nice places..and does nice things for me..but in a respectful way...a way that honors me and my need for space. It’s the first time I’ve ever felt that way. And physically, we are moving slowly...and he doesn't pressure me about that. He gives me the whole loaf of bread....and I'm not going to lie, it makes me uneasy. I don't know what to do with it. But instead of running away, I am trying really hard to sit in my feelings and work through them.

And as I've written in previous posts, I heard from my N again over the past week or so...have spoken with him and given into the temptation to a certain degree by letting the conversation get sexual. I have not seen him...and doubt I will b/c he never works that hard for me anymore..and I do believe he really just wants to know he could have me if he wanted me…and I think he also likes stringing me along b/c it makes him feel in control of his relationship with his GF. But he doesn’t want me for real.

The point is- it's the first time in my life where on the one hand, I have someone who is giving me what I deserve...and on the other, I have someone who treats me like an animal (if that). And the fact that I am drawn to him and tempted by him...when I gain nothing and could lose something valuable...it's just insane.

Yes, it's all about him....but then, after I get that and realize who and what he is, well then, it's really about me. B/c now I'm not so ignorant. Now, I am choosing crumbs. It's a choice. And as long as I go in that direction, I will never be happy.

So, I am committing here to all of you (who have been so wonderful and supportive) to do the work...to face some hard things about myself...and do what is necessary to get to the other side, the place where crumbs just don’t cut it...the place where I accept nothing less than the whole loaf of bread.

Nov 12 - 1PM
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I Prefer Crumbs - Wannaletgo

I 100% relate to this post in every sense of the word. I admire you for posting, and it was very brave of you to look inside yourself and admit those things. I too have a father that I believe to be an N, he is verbally abusive to everyone, it's always about him, he's been unfaithful to my mother, flirts with every woman he meets ect. My brother is also an N through and through. Both have been physically and emotionally abusive to me growing up. Both have made me feel horrible about everything involving my personality appearance, friends, ect. Both have made it their personal hobby to hate everything about me. When I first met my ex-psycho, I was in a relationship with another man who gave me the whole loaf of bread. He would even massage my feet for me! There were so many similarities between my ex-psycho and my father and brother that for the first time in my life I found something that felt NORMAL! When I have been told my whole life that I deserve crumbs, it was very uncomfortable for me to receive a whole loaf because I kind of thought there was something defective in my ex that would make him want a nothing like me. My ex-psycho gave me crumbs and in my mind I'm like - AT LAST! Someone who finally understands me on a real level, someone who understands that I'm a piece of crap that deserves to be treated poorly. I kind of thought he GOT me. I was so excited when I first met him, I had visions in my mind about the two of us taking vacations with my family, I fantasized about how well he'd fit in with my dad and brother. Meeting my ex-psycho lead me here, which led me to gather information and arrive at the conclusion that my dad and my brother are both N's. It made me realize that my fantasizing about how well he'd fit in with my dad and brother is PRECISELY the problem! If I meet a man that is very similar to my dad and my brother, they are probably disordered. Even knowing what I know about NPD ect, I still find myself extremely uncomfortable with people that give me the whole loaf. In a way I felt comfortable with the ex-psycho because he kept himself at such a distance all the time that it was safe for me. I always knew he'd never get too close. Once he snapped at me psychically, I knew I had to stay away from him for my own safety. I'm at a point now where I'm doing a lot of reading on codependency and how it develops. Before my ex-psycho I had a history with men who treated me poorly, never as bad as the ex-psycho, but certainly jerks.. some of them N's. I believe everything happens for a reason and I met my ex-psycho to find out things about myself and my family so that I can move forward with my life and finally have a healthy relationship.
Nov 11 - 8PM
Pride and Shame
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Such great insight!

You put into words perfectly what I experienced with the N relationship and my N mother upbringing dynamic. For me, too, it felt overwhelmingly familiar. I took that as a sign that it was very right, meant to be. Instead it was another spin around the dance floor with a toxic personality. I will NEVER mistake that feeling again for anything other than encountering a narcissist/psychopath. Seduction, flattery, lies were his weapon. Those were masking a person devoid of emotion other than anger and fear. No kindness, no thoughtfulness. Just manipulative charm. Keep up the great insight!!
Nov 12 - 7AM (Reply to #14)
wannaletgo22
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familiarity

Thank you, you hit the nail on the head for me. I just realized that I have had that "this is familiar" or "I feel like I've always known you" initial experience with a lot of people who turned out to be very bad for me. That's something to think about. I always took that as a sign that it was right...when, in fact, it may be the opposite. Food for thought...thank you.
Nov 11 - 2PM
greengirl91
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I don`t know how to thank you

I don`t know how to thank you for this post..you put everything so well..I could have written every word of this. At the end I had tears in my eyes, because like you, I always knew there was something more than familiar between the ex Narcisist and my father. Something "off", aoloof.. Yes, and like you, that little girl inside me still wants closure, love, affection..from emotionally unavailable men. I know I have to stop someday, and turn all the focus and light onto me, learn to love myself unconditionally. But it`s so hard, as you said, when we are learned and programmed for "crumbs"! Can you believe it that though mentally, I know the whole truth, my heart is still breaking for acceptance of what my present is? Anyway, Thank You, and many blessings to you in your recovery! I identified with many things you have said. GG
Nov 11 - 8PM (Reply to #12)
wannaletgo22
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Thank you...I'm glad you

Thank you...I'm glad you could relate. Yes, I agree, knowing something mentally and knowing it emotionally aren't one in the same. It still hurts like hell. Hang in there and best of luck to you as well.
Nov 11 - 12PM
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Your post made me cry. Hang

Your post made me cry. Hang tuff.
Nov 11 - 8PM (Reply to #10)
wannaletgo22
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Thank you...you too!

Thank you...you too!
Nov 11 - 11AM
Winter
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Wannaletgo

Your post is fascinating! I know it is your real first step on your path to healing. It is a lot to deal with, so take it slowly. You can respond with love and appreciate a person who treats you as a queen. It just takes time. And it all starts with self awareness. And this is really what you have in abundance. This is huge! Be forever grateful for your insightful nature to be able to get so early to the realization which most of people never reach in their entire life. Love and Courage! Winter
Nov 11 - 10AM
Deidre40
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When we grow up with a

When we grow up with a parent/guardian who rejects us over and over…and yet…tells us…’’You know I love you, don’t you”…as adults, we literally SEEK OUT that same dynamic, because frankly, it feels ‘normal.’ I did the very same thing as you…however, I too have been emotionally unavailable for a large part of my adult life, ruining seemingly good relationships, and seeking out bad men. Once I came to that conclusion after the recent narc situation, I began to work on myself. You ‘accept’ crumbs, because it feels familiar, and natural. An entire loaf of bread doesn’t feel natural. So, you feel uncomfortable. We don’t like discomfort…so we go back to what we know. Even though, it’s toxic. Strange, but true. I am actually not feasting on crumbs anymore. I never knew life could be so rich. I am truly at peace, and love myself for a change. When you begin to love yourself, and realize that what this clown is giving you, is not enough…then, you’ll wish to change. When you also work through the discomfort of changing…then, too, will you avoid this guy. Getting to ‘the other side,’ will involve some discomfort. But, you will be healthier, once you fight through your desire to chase after your dad again, through another man. Your dad is who he is. And guess what? You’re a grown woman now. You don’t need to take his shit either. You can love him, pray for him, but I’d be done chasing him, too. I had a falling out with a family member a few months back, who stood by while I was abused growing up. Once I did that…and stopped taking my family’s crap…my personal life changed immensely. So, you may have to step back away from your dad…and heal your heart. That’s where the healing begins…in a place way back in our childhood. That little girl that was never fully loved…is still yearning for the love of a good man. Your ex N is not a good man. So, the little girl inside you needs to heal…and when she does…then, you’ll stop seeking love with this guy, and any other crumb-giver. My best goes out to you!
Nov 11 - 10AM
Used
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wannaletgo

This is very insightful, and to relize it at 31 is so good... how i see it, you only want men who are emotionally unavailable like your father...so crumbs do you, I too am like this....Ive never in my life wanted a man, who would be available, loving, compliements, and so on[exn was also like this to me, compliements, gifts, love...lol...but I knew it was all false, and i knew the real him was an arsehole.....so I waited for him to appear and so he did....this is why i believe I only ever kept it to friendship, what was the point of anything else.....I knew what the end result would be ,the first month i was in it with him, i was so aware he was acting like mr nice guy....I loved your post, and as I am now so aware of what I am all about[and am older than you]in fact my marriage was the same age as you] that i will not be bothering again....good luckxxx
Nov 11 - 9AM
empath
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wannaletgo

Your awareness is half the victory, and dignity begins with NC. Take time to work through what you've already discovered, without continually allowing the N to fog your head through contact. Make yourself N-proof by resolving your last hurts so you're not tempted to recreate them in your present or your future. You are so close and you need to commit to your healing by going, and staying, NC. Detox from this toxic man. When your fog clears..and it will...you will be so grateful that you didn't continue carrying on communication with him.
Nov 11 - 9AM (Reply to #5)
wannaletgo22
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Thank you...I am getting

Thank you...I am getting there. I don't want to say I'm going to do it until I know I can stick to it...but I promise you that I hear you, see that its the only answer and am working toward accepting that as my only choice. :-)
Nov 11 - 9AM
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Wanna!!!! Breakthrough moment!!!

This is outstanding!!!! Excellent and so powerful! The first step! I, too, was used to and accustomed and comfortable with crumbs! The deep belief that that's all I deserved; the questioning why I kept lowering my own bar...all of it! Wanna, I'm 54 years old and it took me all this time. You're only 31 and that you are now willing to look at this and mend yourself is WONDERFUL! Great things are in store for you! It will be a tough ride, believe me I have walked in your shoes, chasing a man who treated me so poorly, silent treatment, gaslighting, lying and manipulating...I still gave in for more. It had to get really really bad (he vanished while I was tending to my dying father because it was no longer all about him ...and I had spent six years with the man)...for me to wake up and finally get it. Here's the good news! Wanna, dear brave woman, even at this age my life is better now than it had ever been in the entire six years of hell I endured and as it turns out, the vanishing act D & D was the best thing freak boy could have ever done for me! I truly look at it (sort of) as a gift! He tried to tear me completely apart, to erase me and make me invisible and that's what it took for me to rise even stronger! I have great relationships now and have attracting good, fun, kind, funny and interesting people because that is what my focus is. I can't wait for this to happen for you because it will because you are willing to do the work. Wanna, this is so awesome to read from you. I know you have struggled from your posts since you joined. You are listening to the little voice inside you and that voice will grow stronger and clearer...You will rise and you will be so fulfilled and happy. We will help you, sister in strength. Most sincerely, (not) spinning. IT'S A CHOICE AND I CHOOSE MYSELF!

spinning

Nov 11 - 9AM (Reply to #2)
wannaletgo22
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Spinning

Thank you so, so much. I'm grateful to have found this site and to have your support for sure. I admit, I do feel selfish rambling on about myself....but I hope that others will read and relate...just as it helps me to read what others are going through as well. Thank you for sharing your story with me...it's great to know that there is light at the end of the tunnel..and that change and growth are possible. I look forward to getting there too!
Nov 11 - 10AM (Reply to #3)
bumblebee
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Do not feel selfish

Wanna- you never have to feel like your posts are selfish. You just wrote down the entire dialogue most of us have had or have in our heads (depending on what part of the process we are in). You put it out there for all of us to see and relate to - and that takes so much strength and courage to do. For that, I thank you. From your post, you can tell you are getting there, inch by inch. One thing that I want to point out is that your self-awareness is enough...don't berate yourself as well. You know what to do and you know that when you are ready, you'll do it. You just need to get there. When you are close, that's when we can give you that final push to go NC - but only when you are ready for it. Be gentle with yourself...be very gentle. Do not beat yourself up over this. Continue to come here and know that we will not judge and more often than not, can relate to the feelings you feel on a very deep level. Your post shows strength - over time, I hope to see you direct that strength against the N. Thank you so much for sharing with us. BB