I oficially got the "we can' t be together" speech..and I honestly think I need to go to a hospital...

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#1 Jun 29 - 6PM
sarah787
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I oficially got the "we can' t be together" speech..and I honestly think I need to go to a hospital...

I can't believe I slept with him. I can't believe I thought I'd gain something from it. I thought he wanted to be with me again. I though he still loved me. We just got off the phone, and he told while he loves me so much his gut is telling him we need to move on. He apologized for getting caught up in the moment, but he knows we were bad for each other. He said he just remembers all the fighting. I feel rejected all over again. I spent 5 months building myself back up. I honestly feel so depressed. I don't know if he is a narcissist. I just need support. I begged him to take me back again. He just keeps on saying he knows its wrong right now..we just don't work together. I feel like its me. I love him so much it kills me inside.

Jun 30 - 8AM
smileyfacepr
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oh Sarah

Thats exactly y we keep saying NC....Im sorry this happened and I know about still loving him and u feel u will die w/o him..but u will not!!! I thought if I didnt c my ex for 1 wk Id die..well guess what? Its been 1 yr I havent seen him and although I wish I could..IM STILL ALIVE!!!! othing u go back to NC because he is a narc..or he would not have slept w/u..God has something better for us!! Just stay away from him...go NC totally..we r here if u need to talk! lota of love and peace going ur way!!

smileyfacepr

Jun 30 - 7AM
sarah787
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Thank you so much for the support...

I don't know what I would do without everyone on here. I slept well last night, and I'm feeling a little better. I guess what kills me is that he told me it was just as much my fault sleeping with him as it was his, and I actually believe it. Can I really put the blame on him? Right before we saw each other..he initiated the date...he told me he "wanted to see me." And then I got all ready and he told me "he doesn't think it is a good idea.." but I begged him to see me at that point. The last thing I said to him yesterday was "I love you, and I hope one day you believe in us again." There goes my dignity once again. Should I say anything else before NC. He told me that he hopes one day we can be together, but told me I should not wait around for him because that would be cruel. I wish I could make him disappear from my memory.
Jun 30 - 1PM (Reply to #32)
Scoop
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Emotional Rape syndrome

"he told me it was just as much my fault sleeping with him as it was his " ... what a load of bollocks . deflect blames some more why dont you narc face ..... whilst there is no answer you can give him that would not be met with the same deflection, blame crap we all know the game .. it sounds reasonable doesnt it "it takes two to tango "... you wernt raped where you ?... or where you ? see i think this is emotional rape and it is a very real thing , and it is what the narc does best , manipulation for sex ... There was a great post on here about that . maybe google it "emotional rape syndrome ".... read it then get as mad as hell ... dont get sad .. get angry !!!! Big Love to you .. never blame youre self , in time you will see it was all him . Scoop x
Jun 30 - 1PM (Reply to #33)
Lisa E. Scott
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Emotional Rape Website

Great resource: http://www.emotional-rape.com/contents.htm
Jun 30 - 12PM (Reply to #31)
Steph
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oh I'm glad you wrote here

oh I'm glad you wrote here again and slept well last night:) Please listen to what the others wrote. He is a manipulator. Say nothing more to him. "He told me that he hopes one day we can be together..." He says this to ensure you still think of him and have hope. He knows you love him and is taking advantage of that. That's what they do. "but told me I should not wait around for him because that would be cruel." Yes that would be cruel. But that is what he wants. He just doesn't want to look like a bad guy. Total manipulator. Things are going to get better for you with strict No Contact! hugs to you. hang in there:) xoxo
Jun 30 - 9AM (Reply to #30)
ewa
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It is better not to say anything before

I think it will work out better if you will say nothing more. If you said that you loved him and you will go no contact it will be very confusing to him at this stage. He will be surprised and he will start to wonder what happened and his ago will suffer. This is how mine reacted when i told him he is great, he has good heart and then went no contact...it is when emails and smses started. Before this he was totally ignoring me. So just say nothing, i think is best.
Jun 30 - 8AM (Reply to #29)
Happy1
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please block what he said

please block what he said about hopefully one day you guys can be together. I've heard this over and over and over. I know this keeps you holding on as it has me. He is only saying this so you don't move on. I know the N's have no heart and absolutely no feelings. I know and I feel so bad for you because I'm going through it now also. Your N is the devil and he is heartless and a huge user. He wants to make sure you are pining after him while he moves on to new women. I know this is hard and I understand. I'm so sorry for you and I feel for you and my heart goes out to you.
Jun 30 - 8AM (Reply to #27)
smileyfacepr
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omg!!

Just last night me and my gf were talking how we pray to some kind of amnesia where all memories of them r just GONE!!! NO MORE BEGGING Sarah!!! He is keeping u hooked by saying"that he hopes 1 day u can b together again..thats BS..Im sorry..dont let him suck u into that crap!! He wants u to sit around misrable waiting for him..hes being fed by knowing y r!! So pick urself up once again and wipe urself off..GO NC!!!I really feel its the only way to heal..these r the stories that keep me from contacting mine!! I still have not heard 1 story about seeing them again or talking to them that has been a success..they r total losers!! Love to u!!

smileyfacepr

Jun 30 - 9AM (Reply to #28)
Lisa E. Scott
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sarah

He only tried to put a stop to it right beforehand because this would ensure you would see him. It's a mind game. If he hadn't done that, his fear was that you might change your mind at the last minute. He used reverse psychology on you. By telling you at the last minute you should not see each other, he knew it would only make you want to see him more. He is a manipulator, nothing more. Do not give any creed to what he said about being together in the future. He only said that to keep you on the back burner in case he needs to come back to you in the future for supply. I'm sorry for being harsh, but you have to understand that is all we are to these guys - Narcissistic Supply. They are incapable of love. You do NOT want to waste your time with him. Smileyface made a really good point that I'd like you to remember - I do not know of one story on this board of someone breaking No Contact that did not end up in heartache. Not one. Please remember that and stay away. You're not alone. We're here for you.
Jun 29 - 10PM
Lisa E. Scott
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sarah787

I am so sorry for the pain you are in right now. I know it's excuciating. First of all, it doesn't matter if he is a narc or not because no matter what, he treats you horribly. He is not a good person period. That's all you need to know right now to know you should stay away from him. I know it doesn't feel like it right now, but you don't want to be with him, Sarah. He is bad news and will only suck the life out of you. You need to be with the people who love you right now and you need to seek professional help. I recommend Cognitive Behavioral Therapy so you can begin to retrain your brain. He has brainwashed you something awful. Nancy - Yes, please share the therapy you spoke of in your post that you found healing. I don't ban any advice or referrals here if its intent is to help someone. What works for some does not work for others so I encourage all kinds of different treatment modalities. To each her own. We can choose as individuals what works for us and what doesn't. Don't feel bad for talking about it with your friends. You can talk to them, but don't expect them to understand. Come here instead. That's why we are here and why this site exists. Hang in there and please know, you're not alone. Big Hugs.
Jun 30 - 6AM (Reply to #25)
Used
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dear sarah

he wants you , only to see if he can. its all about winning with them, he is a hatefilled spitefull pig, you will get through this we will all be here for you, everyone of us have been where you have been ,we are all your allies. I had a really bad day yesterday and said on here that i only wanted him back if i got him 100percent.NOT TRUE TODAY, noway would i go back with this dog, but my point is I MIGHT OF YESTERDAY. so god was with me yesterday as he is with you. you will come through you will and you will be strong. love and hugsxx
Jun 29 - 9PM
Steph
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Sarah

I feel for you sweetie. I wish I could be there in person. I have to agree with what has been said here.... You need help immediately, for PTSD and you should not be alone right now. I know you are already on meds, do you have a therapist that you can get into soon? Is your family close by? I am so worried for you. This guy is sick and twisted. He is dangerous and you HAVE to maintain no contact or things will never get better for you. I hope someone can be with you tonight. Please keep in touch with us. Thinking of you. xoxo
Jun 29 - 9PM
Janet
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He IS a narcissist and VERY,

He IS a narcissist and VERY, VERY likely a Psychopath. Read all the posts below. You DO know - he is DANGEROUS. You need to go NC now and forever. You let him back in and in record time he has devalued you again. You have great value - he messed with you big time. You must now see the importance of NO CONTACT ever again. He abused you, horribly. What you are feeling is withdrawal, just like a meth addict. And this Narcissist psychopath will do to you what Meth does to its users. We with a trusted FRIEND tonight and read everything you can on psychopaths. It infuriates me that he did this. NEVER let the psychopath back into your world again. xxx Peace. J

Peace. J

Jun 29 - 9PM
sarah787
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no one will listen to me. my

no one will listen to me. my friends are mad at me for sleeping w him after all the weeks I said ill never go back. are you sure he is a narc?
Jun 29 - 9PM (Reply to #21)
querida
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Don't try to diagnose him.

Don't try to diagnose him. At minimum, he treats you POORLY and you feel like you are going crazy (ie need to go to a hospital) because of this relationship. That's all you need to know and remember! A relationship that makes you want to go commit yourself is not a healthy one... go get healthy... go get help. God bless you.
Jun 29 - 9PM (Reply to #20)
loveofmylife
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sarah

Right now...don't worry about whether he is an N or not...it really doesn't matter right now. What does matter is that he took advantage of you and used you with no intent of maintaining a relationship with you. So don't get caught up in semantics. What if he is not an N??? He is still a dangerous person for you because he is capable of taking advantage of you and playing with your emotions and causing you to feel awful. that is all you need to know right now. And, my friends reacted the same as yours. My friends have been telling me since the first DD last summer that my N was an a*hole, and after several DDs they are tired of hearing about it. That is because people who have not been involved with a dangerous person do not truly understand how they wreck havoc on our brains and therefore our bodies. Because our body chemistry changes so drastically that it causes ALL kinds of physical symptoms that can last for years. So don't worry about your friends not listening right now either...mine didn't either - they grew tired of it. but the people on this board do get it and can offer support. so now you have the final evidence you need. You were feeling better with NC. You succumbed to him and he used you. You need to know nothing else right now, other than he is not good for your health, period. So please just take care of your healing right now before it escalates like mine did...and I'm sure many on this board. I was in clinical depression unable to function for one year because I was in serious cognitive dissonance and didn't even know what CD was or about Ns. But now i get it.
Jun 29 - 9PM
sarah787
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no one will listen to me. my

no one will listen to me. my friends are mad at me for sleeping w him after all the weeks I said ill never go back. are you sure he is a narc?
Jun 29 - 9PM (Reply to #18)
Steph
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If he isn't a narc, then he

If he isn't a narc, then he is something else just as bad or worse. The way he messes with your mind is NOT NORMAL. I remember so well the feelings of self doubt/blame and I needed constant validation. I am validating you. We are all validating you. HE IS SICK AND YOU ARE NOT THE PROBLEM. I am going to say that again. YOU ARE NOT THE PROBLEM. I had the same problems with most of my friends as well, I think many people did. Ffew people get it unless they've been through it. We get it here. Talk to us as often as you like:) xoxo
Jun 29 - 9PM
loveofmylife
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sarah

Take care of yourself. There have been alot of good suggestions here! Mostly, find someone who can be with you right now and keep you company, cry alot, eat popcorn and ice cream, and journal... xoxo
Jun 29 - 8PM
NinjaGirl
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Having just been there through that...

...minus the sleeping with him part, I'm sort of struck speechless. I don't know what I can say to help. When my ex told me we couldn't be together anymore, he also said, "I miss having a girlfriend, but I'm not certain you're the one I want." That made me really angry. I don't know. Argh. I feel so helpless. Do you have a best friend or anyone who could come stay with you tonight and be there? Honey, you need to not be alone right now. And you have to completely have NC with your ex. I want you to get a book called Smart Women, Foolish Choices. I want you to take a few days off work, get someone who can be near you if at all possible, and just read and allow yourself to cry and allow yourself to think. I had to do that last week. It was crazy. On June 21st, the longest day of the year, it was a bad thunderstorm out. I remember looking up at the raging dark sky (it was maybe 10pm) and telling my best friend, who was holding me, "I wish him pain. I wish him loneliness." And then I said, staring at a bolt of lightning, "No. I take it back. I wish him introspection and emotion." And then the thunder hit. It was really amazing. It felt so powerful. And so will you. You just have to hang in there. All of us are here for you. I'm sorry I can't be there in person for you. Do you have anyone you can hug? Anyone who can just be there for you? I'll be thinking of you.
Jun 29 - 8PM
NancyM
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Honey you need help

I have not mentioned this on the board since I have come back on because I got slammed for it first time round and left the board because of what was being said, but I am going to mention it now. When I slowly figured out that my N was in fact an N, stopped the denial, I had just been D&Dd, and I decided there had to be "someone" out there that knew how to deal with this. I knew I had three days before he would throw out a "feeler" to see where I was at. On the third day I found a web site of a lady who was a spiritual healer, had written a book about her experience with an N and by learning to heal herself she had developed a healing modality. I sent her an e-mail, just to thank her for validating my experience, explaining a little of what was going on. Within minutes she returned my e-mail and that was the first real validation after a lifetime of being up close and personal with narcs. I cried like a baby because someone finally GOT what I was talking about. Within an hour we were on the phone and she explained she had a healing modality that could shift stuff really quickly. I agreed to give it a try because I had just lost hundreds of thousands of dollars over this N. I was not worried about spending a few more dollars, finally on myself. I did express suspicion, as I had just had an experience with someone who claimed to be a spiritual healer that on reflection turned out to be a raving Narc. She told me that if I felt that she was unable to shift anything, she offered a money back guarantee as she does with all of her clients. I decided to put some faith in her because after reading her web site I simply thought that nobody could make that sh&t up. She also explained the concept of NC and I simply said DONE. She was surprised at my conviction and I explained that because she knew what I was talking about, I would do whatever she said. I have maintained NC ever since. To cut a long story short I did the healings, three to start with. I was stunned at how quickly I was pulling out of this because I had crawled out of this hell twice before on my own, but this time it had actually been killing me. I am approaching 5 months NC. I no longer have PTSD I am not in therapy I take no form of medication I have learned how to laugh again. My thyroid is functioning perfectly yet 6 months ago I had every symptom of it shutting down, from tremors, blurred vision, muscle spasms, pins and needles etc. It also triggered rheumatoid arthritis. I have none of these symptoms now. I am still struggling to stop the flow of money out the door, but it no longer worries me like it did before. I am not all the way up the mountain, but I am well on my way. I still have a healing if I think there is something that I am not shifting on my own. Recently, one of the things I shifted was not being able to tell my story. I am starting to tell it. In fact I started telling my healer my story as soon as we shifted the block. I know that there has been a huge amount of suspicion about this on the board in the past, but it is also healthy to have suspicions. There are a lot of charlatans out there. Also this may not be the way to go for many, and that is ok too. This has been my experience and it has worked for me, and others that I know. I will ask Lisa's permission before I mention my healer's name on the board. She is actually flat out because there are so many that need her help and are, like me, healing. Otherwise I would be happy for Lisa to pass on my e-mail address to anyone that would like more information. Every day when I wake up I thank god or whoever that people like her and Lisa are on the planet, doing the work to help us understand and come through this. Sarah I am so sorry that you are struggling with this, what you are feeling is the same as we have all gone through. Sending you a big big hug. XOX

Nevergoback

Jun 30 - 1AM (Reply to #14)
NancyM
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Healing

Thanks ladies and Lisa, There are probably more around that I know about, but I will put a couple up. This first one is who I think you ladies are referring to. I came across her when I was looking for another board, and she was getting severely hammered on the board for victimizing victims etc. (decided to stay away from the boards after that) I checked her out and she is very similar to who I had found. Can't vouch for her personally, but she looks ok to me. Kaleah LaRoche http://www.narcissismfree.com/ Melanie Tonia Evans is the person I found, and I consider that she saved me from a fate worse than death by being there. She has a web site and is on FB. I will not lie, because we are friends now, so if it looks like I am swinging business her way, it is because I know it worked for me. There is a person that I know who I got to go through Melanie, and I know he has turned his life around since. I will suggest to him to come on the board now that I know he won't be attacked if he happens to mention it. Melanie is currently offering free ten minute spots for healing to those who are not sure about it or simply can't afford to give it a go. I keep telling her she is working too hard. There are also pod casts to listen to and other info available. Anyway anybody who is interested can check things out on the website. http://www.melanietoniaevans.com/ Thanks GIJ for the validation, it meant a lot to me.

Nevergoback

Jun 29 - 10PM (Reply to #13)
baddream
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That is wonderful

I am glad you found something that helped you so much. I would be very interested in learning who this is.
Jun 29 - 8PM (Reply to #11)
GIJ
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Agreed with spiritual healing

I'm pretty sure I know the site you are referring to Nancy. I downloaded the MP3's and had immediate relief. I posted a link at the time, and it was removed. I considered working with that person but choose another local person instead. I needed no medication and am firmly NC. No hormonal upset either. Creativity restored. Much more engaged in my life and taking stock of the bigger picture. But, I was open to the principles taught. I realize it may not be for everyone. that was the message I posted with the link...and again, it was removed. I do have to say I have full respect for how skilled these narcs are. Any contact in any form is dangerous and to be avoided. Glad you are doing well. it is important for everyone to see there is life after a narc nightmare!!
Jun 29 - 9PM (Reply to #12)
Steph
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I think I know which site

I think I know which site you are referring to as well. I have some of the CD's and helped tremendously!
Jun 29 - 7PM
sarah787
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But I had my chance and ruined it...

I was praying for the day he would come back so I could reject him and regain my dignity after he dropped me so suddenly 5 months back. But when faced with it I caved. I'm already on anti-depressants and take clonopin everyday since my cousin's death and the breakup. I'm so mad at myself for even being on such heavy medication. I started to see him for who he was...and now my rose colored glasses are back on. I LONG for him...and I don't think he is a narcissist. If he was why would he cry with me..tell me how much he loved me...feel emotion. When we dated he never ditched me..he always made so much time for me...put me first. He only got nasty when we fought and I became jealous. I don't know what to do. I feel like I've literally lost my mind.
Jun 30 - 8AM (Reply to #9)
dysenchanted
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sarah787

Hon,he is not feeling emotion, he is pretending to feel it. Why? For the same reason that a lion stalks a gazelle from under the cover of the tall grass. He is a predator, and you are VERY tasty prey.
Jun 29 - 10PM (Reply to #8)
Amy
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Sarah, I had

Sarah, I had a similar situation. I went back a YEAR later - even after I met a nice guy! He is not feeling emotion, he is acting - and it was an Oscar-worthy performance! Mine did that too. We got engaged 3 months ago and now he disappeared because he got mad at me. He only wanted to see if he could "get" you - just like mine did. He will keep doing it. Find some help immediately and PLEASE stop blaming yourself!
Jun 29 - 9PM (Reply to #6)
NinjaGirl
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Find a good psychologist

One who specializes in abuse and cognitive behavioral therapy. Get someone to stay with you for a while. Someone who hates your N but adores you, preferably. Take time, breathe, focus on your heartbeat. I know I recommend this to everyone, but find a good martial arts school in your area. You'll make friends, gain confidence, get exercise, and learn self-defense in more than one way. Martial arts has saved my life on more than one occasion. And I don't mean by using the skills. I mean by just going to the classes.
Jun 29 - 9PM (Reply to #7)
Susan32
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Importance of finding a good psychologist

I think I was setback in my healing due to the lack of a good psychologist. I went to the only counselor on campus, and her counseling was free... I was desperate. She did, however, have some professional compromises. My ex-P was one of her colleagues. A fellow professor. It was an awkward position for her, and for me. She did validate my feelings of betrayal, and said "he's not your friend" (wiser words were never spoken) Unfortunately, I think she felt she had to justify his behavior because he was her professor and her colleague. It delayed my healing. I'm seeing a therapist now, and he's a lot more understanding.