i feel like im never going to get past this

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#1 Nov 1 - 11PM
Anonymous (not verified)
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i feel like im never going to get past this

Ive been thru so much in the last year...with the XN....the D&D ...him never leaving my life....to him doing just that..leaving my life.

I have been furious all day...I now hate hate that evil man. I sit here right now though ready to cry. He knows I hate change...so what did he purposely do create this change for me...

to know I cant even call him at all ever not even if i was dying...well I think it is time I start seeing im as dead. I think it is the only way I will get past this.

the last we spoke he said to me when I asked when we could talk again...and he at first said never and then said ok...we will again...but not for a looooong looooong time...and then said you will end up hating me. Yes, he is right I hate him.

I hate that he was fake...i hate how he sucked me back in. I hate how I now have to go to therapy instead of living a nice happy life with the guy I thought he was in the quaint town we both dreamed of moving to.

Since he has blocked all methods where I can contact him...I have no choice but to convince my heart that he has died.

I just get the feeling I will always be stuck like this.

Nov 2 - 10AM
Ellen
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Me too

Hi Destiny, Thats exactly where i'm at.......i'm angry, scared and never want to see him again. Always in disbelief that he has done this. I am at about 8 weeks no contact i wish it was 8 years.
Nov 2 - 8AM
grossot
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Thank You, Barbara! YOU TELL

Thank You, Barbara! YOU TELL LIES LIKE A CHILD SPEAKS THE TRUTH SO GOOD YOU DON’T EVEN KNOW ~LISA SCOTT~(go to music tab) nolongercontrolled
Nov 2 - 8AM
4joys (not verified)
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Hi destiny

I truly know what you're feeling, yet I don't know for sure what to say to help you feel better. We were the victim of a terrible crime. It devastated us. It takes time to heal from something like that. Everything you are feeling is so normal. Don't block those feelings because they help you get through it. Especially the anger. I'm not as angry as I once was, but when I was..boy! I was SO angry I thought I'd always be that way. For MONTHS I swore him up and down. I had to do physical things to work through all that energy. I bought a basketball and shot hoops. (and I'm not a young chicken)-oops! Shouldnt have said chicken..the CF might be around..lol Journal those feelings. Don't sensor your thoughts and words. Talk them through even if you repeat yourself. My mom is a great friend and lets me go over it whenever I need. Read here everyday too. I cant say how much this site has helped me by telling me the truth. At first I didnt believe it, but little by little it all rang true. Still hurts, but at least, for once, I have truth.
Nov 2 - 9AM (Reply to #14)
destiny (not verified)
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Thanks everyone. I think

Thanks everyone. I think acceptance is what I need to reach. My therapist did ask me had I accepted the fact XN was not going to get back in touch. I said no i havent. I am hurt and angry on all levels this morning. He is leading his fake life...and after him begging me so many times not to leave his life...he didnt know what he would do without me...he could never see us not in eachothers lives....he does the worst thing immaginable and cuts me off. His sick mind fears me that much. I do think mine knows he is not right...he would call me crying saying he doesnt know who he is...and wants to just die...his life is just a joke...not a real life. and would often talk about how he hurt someone and tried to make amends. he would read emails to me and ask me if it sounded nice enough to send(i see now he did not have the capacity to even know what nice was ...and had to ask me) he used to call crying saying he really messed up and he will never forgive himself for what he did...he went to confession often......he lead the married OW to sin and he will never forgive himself. so maybe him cutting me off was his way of freeing his sick mind of everything he did do to me...all the pain he caused. The retreat sounds like a good idea....right now though I cant afford to go...plus healthwise travel is just difficult. “It's not hard to find the truth. What is hard is not to run away from it once you have found it.”
Nov 2 - 7AM
grossot
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Jessika- You're going on a

Jessika- You're going on a retreat to heal from a Narc? That sounds amazing! Do you have any information on that you can share. Sorry if I missed it on here somewhere else. Thanks! YOU TELL LIES LIKE A CHILD SPEAKS THE TRUTH SO GOOD YOU DON’T EVEN KNOW ~LISA SCOTT~(go to music tab) nolongercontrolled
Nov 2 - 9AM (Reply to #12)
Jessika (not verified)
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Hi

Oh.. I c that Barbara has detailed it all for you ;-) The one I am attending starts this week (thursday). I hope it goes well... cross my fingers! Jessika
Nov 2 - 7AM (Reply to #11)
Barbara (not verified)
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healing retreats

Sandra Brown MA's Institute for Relational Harm offers retreats throughout the year: For 2010 this is the proposed schedule: NC = North Carolina FL = Florida Jan 10-15 Pathological Love Relationships NC Jan 20-25 Sandra treating patients @ Fairwinds Trtmt Ctr Clearwater FL Jan 26-31 Coaches Training Clearwater FL Feb 14-19 Documenting Your Legal Case NC Mar 7-12 Pathological Love Relationships NC Mar 29-April 5 Sandra @Fairwinds Trtmt Ctr Clearwater FL Apr 11-16 Pathological Love Relationships NC May 23-May 28 Managing & Healing PTSD NC for more information write to: [email protected] ~~~~~~~~~~~~ My Abuse Information Site Online Coaching & Help
Nov 2 - 12AM
Kate (not verified)
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NO YOU WON'T!!!

My Narc made all the promises to me too! I was a single Mom - Strong and Confident when he slivered in... And you are RIGHT - He is DEAD but not just because he's not around anymore... He's ALWAYS been DEAD. Narcs are professional con-artists- they are Empty Shells and they only BUILD False Images and USE US AS TOOLS in which to Build it... Yes you've been horribly USED and Now Replaced by another tool... but that's all they are to Him - A TOOL. Narcs are Lost Hollow EMPTY HATEFUL beings... YOU ARE WAAAAAAAAAAAAAY TO GOOD for this thing you called an endearing term once... he is NOT nor was he Ever Yours... He belongs to HIMSELF and Loves Only Himself. He is Evil and you must Start Looking at your Life WITHOUT HIM. Stop talking about him... I just started the other day at the advice of another Narc survivor... She just told me - Just Stop talking about him... about "it" (what happened) and keep pushing the thoughts out, but I've found that the Less I talk about him, the LESS I have had flashbacks and thoughts of him... It will take time yes... But You WILL NOT ALWAYS BE UNHAPPY... You are in the "process" of Grief. Make sure you let yourself get good and Angry and Let it out!!! But then, To AVOID becoming a Narcissist yourself you MUST Forgive him because he is a Tool of EVIL... he is not even in Control of his own actions... He is a Puppet of a Darker Force than Himself. When you realize that, Forgiveness is possible. But Narcissism is like an emotional Virus or Acid... It Eats away your Abilities to Love and trust - THEY WANT TO POISON YOU - Don't let him!!! Don't let him Control your destiny that way... Return to yourself and LEAVE HIM BEHIND. I watched the Movie "The other BOILYN Girl"... It is about Narcissism - You should visit a Blockbuster ;) Good Flick about Narcissism and how it changed One girl and not another based on how they processed the pain. We're all here... Start doing things Different tomorrow... maybe taking a different route to work, listening to different music for a while, painting something - furniture, walls - whatever... Just GET BUSY with CHANGE - Change is GOOD NOW>>> Its Always Good actually... Embrace it ;) Don't be afraid of Change... Do it and NEVER LOOK BACK!! All Fired Up!!!
Nov 2 - 1AM (Reply to #2)
Jessika (not verified)
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LOL... whew

you are all fired up Tamra. :-) Sounds like you have certainly experienced the pain of being with a narc as we all have. I do know the way Destiny feels with her pain.... it is hard to swallow that we were merely tools... objects... just used. It certainly is so hard. Destiny I am thinking of you. I know the pain of the D and D.... it has my head spinning some days and I wonder WHY just WHY? Of course I know the answer (bc he is a narc)... however my heart still has a hard time swallowing it. Tamra.... one thing that I disagree with is when you stated that one can become a narc in the midst of this situation/healing. I disagree. Destiny cannot become a narcissist. Just a little FYI. As you know NPD is a personality disorder and an adult does not develop a personality disorder. She would have already have had such a problem before him... it isn't developed after being in a relationship with someone who has a PD. Yes... we can be greatly affected, changed and damaged by them... however we don't develop NPD when we go through the healing process. It is a condition related to neuropathology and abnormal psychological development (severely low emotional intelligence with the hallmark of absence of empathy/ conscience)... IDK... perhaps I misunderstood you. Anyway- Your passion for what Destiny is experiencing and others like her in her situation (me) is appreciated. Destiny, I know it makes your head spin. How could he be so loving at one point and then you are cut off like you are nothing. Same happened to me. My therapist told me that my lack of acceptance of the real situation is what is keeping me stuck. Perhaps the same applies to you. Perhaps neither you nor I want to accept that he REALLY just turned his back and merrily walked away and is living his life with no thought of us at all. I have not accepted that yet... hence my pain. IDK... perhaps that is creating some pain for you too. Hugs to you Destiny. I know it won't be like this for us always. I hope you have a therapist. Perhaps you can do what i am doing and go on a retreat designed to focus on healing from a narc. I'm scared, however at the same time I look forward to it as well. Love, Jessika
Nov 2 - 8AM (Reply to #5)
cynthia (not verified)
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Jessika sweetie

My therapist told me that my lack of acceptance of the real situation is what is keeping me stuck. You poor thing, I dont say that because of pity, but empathy, and it is sad that that inflicted soooo much emotional suffering on us, god how we emotionally suffered at their hands. Your therapist is right, mine said the same thing, he said to me Cynthia you just dont want to accept the facts even if you know them, there are some things in life we must accept and for your future happiness you better accept this one. Did you read the book wwlp? I am sure you did, you sound like you will do anything to help yourself, just as I will. I thought it was interesting the personality of the women who love these types of men are extraverted women that dont want to lose, women that are strong willed and determined, and competitive, or thrill seeking. I dont consider myself thrill seeking I am not a woman out for cheap sex,(neither were ANY of us) or thrills of any type but I am a woman who wants to be put FIRST, I wont play second to anyone I am a woman who likes it MY WAY, and this is bad when it comes to these types of individuals. I am a determined woman, who doesnt like to fold in the cards and say, OK I FOLD, I WAS HAD, but in a way this is what we have to do with these individuals and it just kills me that I have to do that, Iam a proud woman and he killed everything inside me something NOBODY has ever done to me. HE DESTROYED THE PRIDE I HAD IN MYSELF and maybe this is where alot of your pain is coming from too, just a thought. Jessika they will never be normal, but wait a minute, WE WILL NEVER BE ABNORMAL LIKE THEM EITHER and THANK GOD its like good vs evil, and we must hang on to the truth and goodness with all the strength we have to overcome this no matter how much it hurts, they are sick we are healthy, they are sick we are healthy, I say that chant all the time. Isnt crazy to think because we are NORMAL we had to suffer? That people who go through life being caring, loving, and good - this is our reward? When you are up against a psychopath/Narc that is how you will get rewarded and treated so we are doing what we have to do REMOVING ourselves from such deformity that is in the world, its like do I want to hang out with a bunch of killers, and rapists and thugs, or do I want to hang out with people who bring joy and happiness to my life. It was hard for me to accept that this person who was kind, loving, gentle, was nothing but a monster and he didnt just single me out, he does it to everyone, probably hundreds!!! Despite the fact they dont care about our pain, I will always believe until the day my Psychopath dies HE KNOWS WHAT HE DID TO ME, HE MAY NOT CARE, BUT HE WILL ALWAYS ALWAYS KNOW WHAT HE DID TO ME and he will tuck it away in his brain and block it like they all do so he can sleep at night, they have memories you know, they can remember and maybe in some small way it will serve as a reminder how sick he is, many of them know they are not right, they just dont care. THEY know what they did to us was wrong, dont kid yourself, they do but they shrug their shoulders and move on. They move on because their deformity resides over what they do to others, its their fix, their drug to live the way they do and that has more power over them then to worry about the trails of destroyed people he leaves behind. They dont care because that is part of the disorder period. Do you want to go together on the retreat? When are you going, I can fly for free. Let me know.
Nov 2 - 9AM (Reply to #6)
Jessika (not verified)
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Oh Cynthia

I can't tell you how much your post spoke to the heart of the matter for me. I am printing this out.... you hit the nail on the head of everything I am feeling. Yep... I am definitely the woman described in WWLP. Competitive, successful in my career, a fighter, fun loving, adventurous.... however, naive to the evil that is within others. The only time I protected myself was when I would have a narc as a patient (for an ADHD eval or something). I would put up strong boundaries... insist they call me Dr. "X" rather than by my first name, which most of them do in order to level the playing field for themselves. They often ask me if I am married or have a boyfriend and what does my man think of my job. So disrespecful! I could NEVER imagine talking to my doctor like that. I don't even ask personal questions of my GYN and he has seen parts of me that even I have never seen! Anyway, I put up very strong boundaries only in my work life. I never did it in my personal life. Hell... I knowingly got into a relationship with one. I knew what he was! So thank you for those words. Yes I am having trouble bc I 'lost' that fight. Evil won. My reward for being loving, patient and forgiving toward him was a humiliating D&D. How is that right!! Anyway, I would've LOVED to go to the retreat with you... meet you. However, the one I signed up for is for THIS WEEK in North Carolina... LOL! I leave on Thursday (Nov 5th) and return Wednesday morning (Nov 11th)! I told my therapist I would do anything to feel better... then when I found the retreat I was like- gotta try THIS. Sandra Brown's team all have experience in treating PTSD following pathological relationships. So I am comfortable that I am in good hands. I am a little fearful, as I don't know the other women... don't know what they have gone through. But I have to take the risk and see how it goes. I hope they have internet connection. It's supposed to be hours of therapy daily... a small intimate setting (only a total of 5 women).... in a house in NC. I think I took the last spot :-( It was really last minute.... my therapist told me that I was stuck and needed something more, as my depression was worsening. I agreed that she was right. I function phenomenally at work. However, the second I hit my house.... on to the couch I go. This is not me. I was always active... running to the gym. Just a giggly, upbeat, happy person. I always used to think (pre narc) "I gotta stop acting so 'young' and silly"--- however I accepted that as me and was fine with it. Unfortunately all that positive energy, happiness, career success, and some entertainment/modeling stuff of my own made me highly attractive to a narc. I had no idea *sigh* I don't want to put all of my eggs in one basket. However I hope this retreat, helps me to accept who he really is; help the facts to sink in that I would have been miserable with him; that money isn't important- and that I can ensure my own financial security; I want to stop hurting. IDK... maybe it is too much of a tall order to expect from a 5 day retreat- but I'm hopeful. If this one goes well and if for some reason I remain stuck or hurting significantly in 2010 then I will sign up for another one and we can coordinate it! Thanks again Cynthia. Destiny, we gotta keep trying and have faith that this will get better (so long as we keep working on it). Jessika
Nov 2 - 9AM (Reply to #7)
cynthia (not verified)
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listen to my song for me

you should listen to my song I just posted from a tube, its so beautiful I think you will be able to relate to the lyrics, the song had a profound effect in making me feel sad for my Psychopath, sad because he has such a wasted life and we could have been so great together if he wasnt deformed, but wish in one had and shit in the other and what do you get? haa I hope you like my song?
Nov 2 - 9AM (Reply to #8)
Jessika (not verified)
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Is there a link?

Where can I access the song? You wrote/ sung it Cynthia?
Nov 2 - 10AM (Reply to #9)
cynthia (not verified)
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hey

no I downloaded a tube for you to listen to, they both are very very uplifting check under new forums
Nov 2 - 3AM (Reply to #3)
Shelley (not verified)
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what is IDK?

Hi Jessica! I don't know the meaning of many online abbreviations and was wondering what you meant by IDK? Thanks for your reply.
Nov 2 - 6AM (Reply to #4)
Barbara (not verified)
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IDK

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