"I didnt see it coming"

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#1 Apr 19 - 6AM
jen79
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"I didnt see it coming"

Oh yes you did.

Getting your trust in life back, starts with...remembering this.

You DID see it, you got your sign, remember?

Right, right in the beginning, before it really started.

Either a little hint, or a feeling.

But you did see it, you just ignored it.

So when did you see throught the mask, is often asked here....when did HE show it to you first time.

But the more important question is, when did YOU see it. And dont say it was only after some months.

Wrong, you did see it, right in the beginning, remember.

I would like to hear your stories about it, this very first sign, you got.

May 12 - 1AM
michele115 (not verified)
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This was a pretty good post...

I think the lesson here is not to beat ourselves up for "ignoring" or "missing" the red flags but learning to TRUST our instincts moving forward. That is/was a major lesson for me. Early on SO MANY things were sending alarm bells...dreams, this sense he was "dark" but somehow that was intriguing... Yea, there were EARLY flags I ignored, but there is no way I would have KNOWN ALL THIS - the Narcissism, the illness, what it entails. Despite the pain, I have come around the bend more confident, more outspoken, and more sure of myself. I still have some time ahead of me...I was one who did not like confrontation - I read somewhere that Narcs target people like that...this isn't an absolute of course...theories all over the place with this - but I could see how that would make me a prime target amongst other things... BUT now, I say what I have to say, I try to say it in a manner that is not offensive, but when you step on my toes, I let you know now...I don't shut my mouth and be a "nice girl" anymore, I don't stuff it, I don't own anybody's shit...and that is the only word that is appropriate here. LISTEN TO YOUR GUT and TO WHAT THEY SAY for they will tell you if you listen...* the latter are loosely the words of Maya Angelou... Hugs...
May 12 - 4AM (Reply to #23)
AinaM
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I can see that you have deep

I can see that you have deep thoughts michele115.
May 11 - 2PM
wacaet
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the first sign was months

the first sign was months before I even met him for coffee, he came on really strong in his initial emails but then disappeared for a few months, then came back and did it again and then one more time before suggesting we meet then I asked him about my friend that he cheated on me with 20 years ago, when we dated the first time and he said: "The thing with Christie.... Wow ... She was a replacment for you... She ws unattched, passionless and beautiful in her way.. She was a wounded duck and I wanted to take care of her.... I never understood her....and if you really want to know the truth, we never really connected... Weird Have to get on my plane now.... Hope your around ti chat later" and I asked why he needed a replacement for me when I was right there and he said: "Hmmm standing in line to geton the plane I can say....you were first and maybe hard ti get to know... I strugg" and never finished his sentence...I let it go then there was the met up for coffee, he was 1 1/2 hours late! and had alcohol on his breath, knowing I'm in AA then there was the fact that he never emailed me again after our meeting, saying he thought email was the worst form of communication ever. He'd only text and call and his facebook page, originally I could see his wall (18 months ago) but at some point before we hooked up he changed his privacy settings so no one could see anything but the pictures (no wife or kids, so of course I didn't know about her). He said he had to do that because he had a stalker last year oh a million things, red flags, warning bells, I ignored them or let him dismiss them with half assed excuses by the time I got into his email, I already knew, maybe I didn't know the extent of it, I didn't know I wasn't the only girlfriend but I certainly knew he'd lied about being separated from his wife
May 11 - 12PM
hryan77
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where to start...a month in

where to start...a month in he said "is it bad I wish you'd get pregnant so you could never leave me"...wanting to talk marriage two-three months in after his divorce had just been finalized a month into us dating. How ironically all of his ex's were crazy...telling me he loved me while we were having sex two months in, how I was the love of his life....wanting to move in together within a few months... sobbing and begging when I'd question him about his feelings and his marriage because it didn't add up. Really do I need to go on??? What was my problem?!?! I was NC for over two weeks, but finally had to break and finally respond to a phone call via text because I still have stuff in the house...I had tried to arrange to get it out with his mother but he told her to stay out of it. Finally after the usual back and forth and manipulation I said forget it, you can keep whatever is there. I left Easter Sunday after I found out about another girl from a few months back...and shocking it appeared he had someone staying at our house the night after I left. Sorry so long...I've been reading comments all day and can't hold it in anymore. Worst part is I still blame myself because I questioned whether I could deal with his life...3 kids, ex wife, he's a cop...but when I got involved I was 100% in. I feel like his issues wore on me until I questioned and doubted everything. UGH!
Apr 20 - 2AM
Alisa
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Mine told me that none of his

Mine told me that none of his relationships have lasted more than 9 months. Silly me, I thought it would be different with me, of course! However, that alone was not a sign of him being a narc, but still: huge red flag!!!!
Apr 19 - 5PM
ifinallygotit
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he had children

But two of them were the same age! And two of them had the same name!!!
Apr 19 - 9PM (Reply to #18)
ifinallygotit
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thanks for not judging me

I think my EX N sounds worse than alot of them here (except being a sweet lover)
Apr 19 - 4PM
victimnomore
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Used I Know

I know what you mean. The ex N/P told me on the first date about a criminal record and It was very serious. What the hell was I thinking? He said that he is a different person and wanted me to know everything about him. He also told me he loved my by the second date. BIG RED FLAG! And what I found out later was even worse!

victimnomore

Apr 20 - 6AM (Reply to #16)
Used
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victimnomore

i should also have said, though he went to prison for the crime, he wasent guilty of it,2 years down the line [when he thought he had me were he wanted me] HE TOLD ME HE WAS GUILTY OF IT,AND IF HE COULD DO IT AGAIN HE WOULD. i was stunned he then said the truth shall set you free, he was right but not in the way he ment, that was my defining moment when i knew i had to get out, i knew it would take time over 2more years, but i am out now 18mnths. i even came home and phoned my pyscoligist and said i have just met EVIL PERSONIFIED. oh and the worst part he got off on it, even the hair on his arms was standing up. what the fuck was i doing with this scumbag, i am now free and intend to stay that wayx
Apr 19 - 1PM
momoya
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NO

I did not!! He purposefully set out lying to me from the start, in so many ways he set me up to fall hard, but I didn't realize what he really was. I will never willingly involve myself with a married man! ever!

momoya

Apr 19 - 9AM
gratefuljen
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When Did I First See It

I first saw it, when he said he could just leave, leave his daughter. I saw it. I can't believe I saw it and push it back. Pushed it out of my mind. Thought it would be different with me. My love could change him. He has always just left the "people he loved" I feel so stupid for believing his lies.
Apr 19 - 11AM (Reply to #13)
JLMNY1
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gratefuljen I thought the

gratefuljen I thought the same thing about my exN!! He was married for 12 years and had a 5 year old daughter. He D&D'd his wife and left her and the child for me. Actually, I was the new supply. He would never have left if I wasn't there. I felt so bad for the family he left, but I continued my relationship with him. I was very guarded and cautious for a long time, which resulted in him pursuing me even harder and making major decisions about our future in a short period of time. I knew, in the back of my mind, which I pushed aside, that if he could leave his wife and child of 12 years without a second thought, without any empathy or understanding what his wife was going through, that he WOULD DO THE SAME THING TO ME. He did, just sooner rather than later. I could've been married to him for years with a kid, and thankfully, I was not. I knew from the beginning, but I ignored it. BTW his dad did the same thing to his family. His dad was on his second marriage to his mom and had several kids from the first marriage, then three kids in the second marriage. Dad left the family for the babysitter. Then a series of new women, and new marriages introduced in his life. He still hates his dad and has no relationship with him at all, other than a phone call. It's interesting to see the other siblings in the family, and they all have similar issues.
Apr 19 - 9AM
really
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First really small thing - We

First really small thing - We were meeting up for the first time @ Starbuck's. He already had his coffee and was sitting down when I got there. I just assumed we would get in line together, be there together. (I brushed it off as I have a GF who does the same thing sometimes and I'm sort of a stickler for manners, anyway.) Second thing was the next time we got together. Went back to his place and hung out on the deck. Out of the blue, he asked me if I wanted to stay over. Nothing was happening physically at all. I told him I wanted to, but I wouldn't. It was really late and I had walked to his place, just 4 blocks away. He thought it was PITA to walk me partway home. He told me he'd call and we'd talk about it, but he didn't. He put a note in my mailbox and "made me" chase him. I did, of course. The really big thing was after he told me all the things he wanted with me, he just *poof* disappeared. He was "gone" for eight months until he called and apologized. We ended up going out to dinner. Later that night, he told me that he loved me - twice. The first time, I sort of ignored it, thinking it was odd. He made a point to say it out loud a second time for all in the place to hear. Weeks later, he didn't "remember saying it" and "can count on one hand the number of people [he's] told that to and [you] aren't one of them. If [I] did say it, I meant it as a friend. We'll talk about it later." *poof* Disappeared again. Took me 3 more years to finally give up, leave him behind, and realize what exactly was different about him.
Apr 19 - 9AM (Reply to #9)
Used
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REALY

oh, what a bastard!!!!, and why did we used to take them back so readily, altho for me the disappearing turn out to my saveing grace,b/c i had been abandoned as i child , i had such issues about it, that if someone went out of my life for no good reason[not just the narcs], i begin emotionally withdrawering with out even biegn aware of it, so each time he came back, i liked him less and less, it still took me years to get way, but i always found it very ironic that all the pain of my childhood actually helped me get away from narc and when i relized i had a women narc freind[best freind] i might add] we used to speak 4/5 times a week then i couldnt get her on the phone for about 3weeks, she had gone on holiday she had done this 3 times in the same year, and said oh didnt i tell you i was going,and said i to her the narc said you were like him, she didnt even deny it, but i dropped her too, i dont know if when i am involved with someone i give this air of neediness, they both had said to me i know you need me.WRONG!!!"!!!!!!!!!!.lol.PS THEY NEEDED ME, PROJECTION BIGTIME.
Apr 19 - 11AM (Reply to #10)
really
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Used

Thank you. He is a bastard. If I could go back, I would never have spoken to him again after that "love you" episode. I wrote him off and went on with my life. My instinct was to stay away, but over a year later, he ended up doing some work for a neighbor of mine. I was no longer mad, still felt overwhelmingly connected to him, and decided I should "take the high road" and forgive him, that there were things in his childhood that weren't his fault, etc... I would have saved myself a whole lot of grief if I had just ignored him way back then. That's interesting, what you say about your childhood abandonment making it easier to remove yourself from him. Makes perfect sense. I have a very hard time "giving up" on people (sister was an alcoholic). I am overly loyal and have often given too much to people who don't deserve it. Not any more, though! "I know you need me"? That is such an ODD thing to say. Yikes! You did the right thing. I have let two friendships go because of all of this. One GF who seemed to sort of push me back in the middle of it with the N when I was rightfully hesitant. The other a male friend who I just felt really susceptible to after this was over. Like him just being nice to me was too overwhelming. I'm still hoping I can patch that up at some point.
Apr 20 - 3AM (Reply to #11)
fear for my sanity
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When loyalty is a bad thing

I am just like you, too loyal and never give up on people. In the past, my loyalty has paid off but with N it was a different story... it was just an excuse for him to take advantage and gradually push my loyalty to such extremes that I totally ignored all the red flags along the way. My work as a Support Worker demands that I don't give up on people but it is also deeply ingrained in my nature. However, I guess that we shouldn't forget that loyalty and 'not giving up' are good qualities, not bad. All we need to do is be a bit more selective in who we share those qualities with. I feel that I need to make sure that I'm not giving my loyalty to people in order to validate myself. I know how you feel, it's so easy to lose trust in people who are being nice to you after a bad experience with a N, but I'm sure it's ok to be cautious and we will eventually find a healthy balance.
Apr 19 - 8AM
B
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The very first thing I

The very first thing I remember that wasn't "right" was him telling me he loved me (while having sex) after only a week of knowing each other. The biggest first incident I can remember was when we went camping almost a year into the relationship. I got really sick and wanted to go home, he got pissed. He dropped me off and sped out of my driveway so fast he squealed his tires. I didn't hear from him for the rest of the day. And I just remember thinking this isn't how it's supposed to be, he should have made sure I was ok and tucked me into bed. I knew at that moment there was something very wrong, but I stayed.
Apr 19 - 7AM
Used
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saw it coming

right away, he told me he had been in prison for something,and he had told me b/c he wanted to be honest and upfront, and didnt want me to hear it from any one else,BIGGEST RED FLAG I COULD HAVE GOT, IT WAS FOR A SERIOUS OFFENCE THAT I DONT WANT TO WRITE HERE, i still didnt run for the hills.
Apr 19 - 7AM
gettinbetter
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I saw it coming I would say

I saw it coming I would say from the first communication. I said hey remember me one of your ex girlfriends? He replied "I could never forget you." It was sent to me at 3:30 am. I felt the seduction from the very first communication. The heart of codependence is emotional dishonesty. From the first interaction to the last I was emotionally dishonest with my true self. My true self knew it was dangerous and that he was the same old con man he was 15 years ago but my false disconnected self loved the feeling he gave me it was like a drug I was willing to deny myself for. Not only did he betray me but I betrayed myself
Apr 19 - 9PM (Reply to #5)
Finally Faced It
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the seduction.

"It was sent to me at 3:30 am. I felt the seduction from the very first communication." Very interesting point, gettinbetter. Very late at night and I felt the exact same way. It was like a physical response...I actually "felt" the seduction through the computer screen. Strange. I could never articulate that before, but that is exactly it.
Apr 19 - 6AM
indenial
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i needed to read this

I saw it before i even got involved with him! I saw through him and for a long time I knew who he was but he persisted long enough to hook me and once he knew I had let go of my ex enough for him to have me he began to play me. i'm trying to remember all the thoughts and feelings i had about him early on and I just knew he was fake and unreal and seemed to have no real concept of a real love and relationships. There were so many red flags and i didn't ignore them. I held back but in the end i fell in love and ignored them . Thats what really makes me angry with myself. Now he's hurt me. I actually used to look at him and think i don't like him. He doesn't have the genuine qualities that I have or that I look for in a person. But there were two of him. I wish that i could retain the thought of well you always knew and you were right but in the end i gave so much and he took it and trampled all over it. Only he was very clever at projecting all that onto me. Im so scared to be alone now. I hope i never ignore these red flags again. Truly scared.Thanks for this post.
Apr 19 - 6AM (Reply to #2)
jen79
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ah dont beat yourself up too much

its part of learning. You see, you had your feelings and signs. Just know now, that you can trust it, so it wasnt all in vain this damn experience with them. It will help you to recover and to gain trust in life, cause you know you can trust yourself, the instinct you have. Big hugs.
Apr 19 - 6PM (Reply to #3)
Redhead1
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We were casual friends for a

We were casual friends for a while before he suddenly wanted to date me. As a matter of fact he had a long distance girlfriend, all the while dating around. That shoulda be the first sign I got. Engaged boy dating around. The funny part, they broke up because she cheated and he acted so heart broken. Gawsh I a fool. I never wanted to date him, he was immature to me 22 years ago. I even tried to break things up nicely and he said I was fickle and frigid and just wouldnt let no one love me. Another flag, he wouldnt respect my wishes. There's tooooo many flags in the first few months. I am not gona keep embarrassing myself:)