Hurting You Isn't Something Narcissists Do by Accident

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#1 Aug 1 - 8PM
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Hurting You Isn't Something Narcissists Do by Accident

This is pretty eye opening! I wouldn't suggest testing it. That is just too dangerous.

My favorite part is - And they are like sharks, able to smell a drop of blood a mile away. Why? Because your hurt feelings are their pain killing drug.

http://narc-attack.blogspot.com/2007/07/hurting-you-isnt-something-narci...

Hurting You Isn't Something Narcissists Do by Accident

In all the jabber about narcissism, the worst noise is this idea that hurting you is something narcissists do by accident.

If you get nothing else out of "What Makes Narcissists Tick," get the message that frees you of that ridiculous belief. Which is nothing but a baseless assumption.

I don't ask you to take my word for this. Test what I say when I say that narcissists hurt you on purpose. Anyone can test any narcissist.

Here's how. The next time the narcissist is hurting your feelings or making you feel low, let your feelings show and tell him or her how they are making you feel asking them to stop it.

Be prepared for a shock. Any normal human being would soften and let up, but a narcissist will do exactly the opposite.

What does that mean?

Is revving up their engines, kicking in the afterburners, and running you right over an "accident" after you show your soft underbelly and beg them to let up on you?

It's no "accident," that's for sure.

Want to see a narcissistic rage? That's no "accident" either. The test: Just fall to your knees in tears begging them to have a heart and stop kicking you around like dirt.

The narcissist's response? He or she blows up into a rage. Is that rage an "accident" when nothing but how deeply they are hurting you provokes it?

No, it's a willful and wanton outrage.

Now hear this: THEY DON'T DO IT BY ACCIDENT. They aren't just inconsiderate and touchy.

Test their "touchiness" (if you can do so safely, or have somebody not at the N's mercy test it - someone who can defend themselves). Rage right back in their face. Act just as wild right back in their face. Threaten right back. Speak abusively right back.

Now any normal person would be provoked to rage by your doing this in their face. But narcissists are so UNtouchy that they do the opposite. Watch how instantaneously the raging narcissist becomes meek and mild and switches to his "I-wouldn't-hurt-a-fly-mask."

Don't take my word for it. Test it. You CANNOT insult a narcissist who isn't in a position to bully you! It's impossible. Try it, you'll see. Your lack of vulnerability gives them skin a foot thick! (Not to mention a rubber spine.)

"Touchy" my you-know-what.

They aren't touchy at all. So perceived slights aren't what set them off. The VULNERABILITY of a TARGET OF OPPORTUNITY is what sets them off - IF there are no witnesses.

That's predation, not touchiness.

Narcissists aren't inconsiderate of your feelings. To the contrary, they are extremely considerate of your feelings. Your feelings are exactly what they are trying to affect. They closely observe how you react every time they do something to hurt you.

And they are like sharks, able to smell a drop of blood a mile away. Why? Because your hurt feelings are their pain killing drug.

They are addicted to it. Ever since childhood.

That's what their mental illness is, an addiction. (In fact, all addictions are classed as mental illness.)

So where do people get the stupid idea that narcissists aren't to blame for what they do?

It's asinine to think that narcissists can't control themselves when we see them controlling themselves perfectly whenever witnesses are present. So, what? being behind closed doors makes them suddenly out of control of themselves? Baloney.

Their problem isn't lack of self control; it's lack of conscience. Conscience is what makes people behave the same in the dark as in the light of day.

Okay, they have an addiction to trampling people. They are hooked on the childish high they get from throwing somebody down, stepping on the victim's back, and thumping their chest with a Tarzan yell.

But since when does an addiction amount to a carte blanche? An addiction is just a TEMPTATION. It doesn't remove the addict's responsibility to resist that temptation.

If a heroin addict sees you with heroin, he will attack and may kill you for it - IF there are no witnesses present.

But do we absolve him of his responsibility for the crime just because he's addicted to heroin? Of course not.

Same with the narcissist. Since childhood he has done this mind-altering drug of abusing people and is addicted to it. He addicted himself.

Yet addicted as he is, he demonstrates the ability to control himself by behaving whenever witnesses are present, misbehaving only when he thinks he can get away with it.

Innocence that is not.

He does what he does because nothing but getting his drug matters to him. So he has no conscience. He lives to get it, whenever he can get away with it.

So, hurting others isn't something narcissists do by accident. It's how they live.

The victims of narcissists must understand this. They must quit falling for the masks predation conceals itself behind.

I don't care how much the poor, little, ole narcissist whines that he didn't mean to, and claims that he has an excuse because HIS feelings were somehow hurt, and weeps about what a miserable childhood he had and how sad and forlorn he'll be if you go away, and all that crap. It's a joke.

Painful as this is to admit, the victims of narcissists MUST understand it. It's the bottom line. It predicates your choices.

Don't take my word for it: test and see. 2 + 2 = 4. Always. Even on Thursdays.

Aug 23 - 4PM
onwithmylife
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these

sick freaks of nature can get away with this because they lack that all important component of what makes a HUMAN a Human, EMPATHY, that is what my therapist would say.he has gone head to head with narcs and knows them all too well, I could see the disgust on his face when i told him of mine.
Aug 5 - 5AM
fooled no longer
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One of the things I

One of the things I discovered is they are just as amazed as we are as to why we would chose them. Mine said to me on numerous occasions. Why did it take you so long to see what I am. Most people would get it in a day? IN OTHER WORDS: SINCE YOU REFUSE TO SEE ME AS I DO MYSELF AS A COMPLETE WORTHLESS PRICK< THAT GIVES ME FULL LICENCE TO ABUSE YOU> I TOLD YOU AND YOU WOULDNT LISTEN. NOT MY FAULT!!!
Aug 23 - 2PM (Reply to #21)
dabussard
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fooled no longer

Yes, my N always said, I can't believe you are still here... This was after the first 2 or 3 months. He used to say, they all would have left by now... One of those red flags I should have picked up on... Dang It...
Aug 5 - 5AM
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Great post Sara thanks for

Great post Sara thanks for making me see things in a different light. You are so right though, now I think about it, every time I begged my Narc to stop hurting me or yelling at me, or tried to reason with him, it just added fuel to his fire. He tried to get me to my knees and then he would get some sick pleasure of making me feel like the crazy one. I caught my ex N on a dating site years ago....so what does he do? A year late the same thing. I find it and he said he set it up to catch me snooping. I don't doubt he did now after reading your post he wanted to make me hurt and feel like shit. What normal person does that. This post really resonates with me and now makes me see the whole dating site thing as not a lie, but a tactic to watch me spiral out of control and loose all self-esteem. Sick bastards!
Aug 2 - 2PM
dolphingirl
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done with the pain

Really good post- this is what it is really about --How much pain can I cause this person who seems to care and love me-- sick and evil
Aug 2 - 6AM
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"I'm sorry YOU feel that way"

That's what the ex-Psych prof said during the final D&D as I'd be weeping publicly. A NORMAL teacher would feel remorse for profoundly hurting a student's feelings&betraying that trust. I was SHOCKED when I learned that when I declared my love to him, he went around spreading a rumor that I made unwanted sexual advances on him. All he could robotically say was "You acted inappropriately." That's what I'd get instead of an apology, even in the end, when I tried to bribe, cajole, emotionally blackmail him into one. The ex-P was emotionally sadistic. I'd be crying, and he'd stand there, staring blankly or smiling superiorly. He particularly enjoyed getting his claws in when I had lost someone. When I lost my grandfather my freshman year, he ENJOYED humiliating me. In the end, he did feel sorry he messed with ME! Not sorry for what he did to me, but wallowing in his misery for what I did to HIM. Narcissistic injuries, I know what those are&how to give them with a smile on my face.
Aug 2 - 4AM
fooled no longer
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This thread just reminds me

This thread just reminds me how evil these people are, and how they do convince police, employers and everyone else that they are saints they are arch manipulators and are so evil. Trying to wrap my head around the fact that people like this live among us and are seen as normal is destroying! I dont understand how they can be like this!
Aug 2 - 12AM
lynn61
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sara-smile

excellent post because it's one of the best descriptions i've read about the convoluted behavior. you are dead on!

really??

Aug 1 - 11PM
Arwen
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This was a really great post,

This was a really great post, thanks. For me the hardest thing to do is admit that it is all that he is...someone who gets off on watching me and others squirm in humiliation and embarassment. It makes my face red and I think it's the anger that I am holding back that is causing my face to get red. I dated my N when he was a teen and I can't face who he has become.
Aug 1 - 9PM
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Narcissists are sadistic,

Narcissists are sadistic, cruel. Mine sure was. He saved nearly all of it up for the grandest d and d of all time, after a year and a half of virtual worship! Imagine the high! He's probably still spasmodically twitching from the pure power orgasm, 8 months later! Unfreakingbelievable. I was close to catatonic from grief and shock. And yes, yes! I think the reason the idealization submissive phase lasted so long for him was because I didn't take too much guff from him. Glimmers of contempt arrogance and cruelty appeared only rarely and only when I was rightfully hurt and confused by him. I let him know when I was angry, though. Ahahahah. It really intimidated him. He was full of fake apologies, drippy syrupy sweet. What servile bast**ds they can be. "Gollum" in the Lord of the Rings trilogy portrays perfectly both the cruel and submissive phases of the narcissist. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLvIFRNbqOs
Aug 1 - 9PM
Jean
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crying. . .in front of him

Annoyingly, I did cry in front of him once. Since I work with the N it was even more annoying. I was having one of those days where I was physically and emotionally exhausted because I'd ridden my bike to work (9 miles) then got my period, and was just wiped out. I said something to him in jest and he made a really nasty reply out of left field. I went back to my desk and just broke down in tears. This went on awhile, came and went in fact. About an hour later he came to talk to me about the case. I was still crying and he said, "is something wrong?" I said, "yes, you are really mean to me and it's not OK for me to get angry at you so I'm crying instead." He looked shaken, but said nothing. Then I attempted to talk about the case again. Before he left he said he had some tissues laced with anti-depressants back in his cubicle. He never said he was sorry. About an hour later I went over an apologized, saying I had no business to "nag" him even if it was just a joke. He still didn't apologize but in a truly astounding display of grandiosity he spent literally the next 20 minutes telling me about the good things he was doing over the next few days. He talked non-stop about how he was going to an important meeting and then later leading a workshop. I don't mind listening to him but even I grew overwhelmed and attempted to leave, but he continued. So, no, he didn't try to make me cry more but he did not respond appropriately at all and then went into some major self-soothing by reminding himself about how great he is. On the topic of raging, a retiring employee called him a narcissist to his face and said he hoped he never saw him again, and the narc just got all sheepish and didn't fight back at all. It was weird since it happened in public and he was being insulted. Still, I wished I'd never cried in front of him, because he probably relives it and gets sick satisfaction out of it.
Aug 1 - 9PM (Reply to #10)
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Jean

I've cried in front of my narc thousands of times. I have raged, threatened, begged and acted like a complete lunatic. I'm sure he goes home and laughs at my behavior and I'm sure he is so proud of himself. I work with my Narc too. It is just HELL on earth. Don't beat yourself up for crying in front of him. It could be so much worse!!! I swear he can turn me into a psycho in about 2 seconds and he loves it!! Did you laugh out loud when they guy said that to your Narc?? That is hilarious!!! I think I would have hugged that man right in front of everybody! :)
Aug 1 - 9PM (Reply to #11)
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Sara-Smile

I didn't laugh but later went up to "Bob" as he was leaving and said "you're my knight in shining armor." Unfortunately Bob also had been my supervisor and failed to report the N for some sexually harassing behavior - but I don't hold it against Bob since the N's behavior is so confusing. Lately, I've been kind and patient with N. But whenever he does anything weird (throwing a stuffed animal at my face, for instance) I go and tell his supervisor. Just conversationally - but I want someone else to know. I also write it all down. I also tell my supervisor. I have recently written a short synopsis of my work situation in "Narc's at Work" because the more I know, the more I wish all of management would disappear in a great big puff of smoke. The worst part about working with him is inability to practice "NC." The best part is hearing stories about his nasty behavior from people who've been there longer than me!
Aug 1 - 10PM (Reply to #12)
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Jean

I'm so glad you are writing everything down. Narcs call fool management, police, lawyers...anybody! Any kind of proof you can get HANG ON TO IT! I have a Narc file at work that has thousands of pages in it. That file is going to come back and bite him in the butt one day. I'm pretty much stuck at my job unless I can transfer to another location within the company and I'm working on that. Can you find another job and get away from him??
Aug 1 - 9PM
Lost
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Interesting article sara-smile

Even though I feel that I am getting stronger I still in my head cannot believe that a person can be so mean and nasty towards others and not feel any type of guilt or that they actually enjoy inflicting pain & suffering. My ex N enjoyed pushing people's buttons, people who he felt justified in doing it to and he was even proud to say the he was going to push their buttons. He would secretly enjoy it and he actually did seem to 'feed' off the response he was getting. But then he would get all defense and say well this person was pushing my buttons too like it was their fault and he was only giving as good as he was getting, forget half the story and things he said or deny it when it was his plan all along. I sent him an email telling him how his behaviour was unacceptable and how it hurt me, all he did was say that some things were true but most of it was bullshit. He accused me of not showing him any respect yet he was the one that was cheating on me the whole time we were together saying it was my fault, he would call after I left and he was with OW and tell me how much he missed me, loved me, realised that I was the complete package but then still tell me how skinny women turned him on, the OW was there and I was in another state ... thinking back on it I can almost feel him smiling down the phone or smirking at me ... something I witnessed in person when he told me that he really missed me. Yet here I am thinking and wondering whether having some sort of compassion and forgiveness for this person is right and something I should entertain because in the end the anger, hate etc is only going to tear me apart. What goes around and comes around and in some ways I don't think people are inherently evil or born this way, painful experiences and situations happen to everyone but it is how we choose to react & behave that defines us. I don't want to take away from anyone what these people have done and how much they have hurt and ruined our lives however on some level I do still feel that I need to forgive him and also have compassion that he needs to deal with the consequences of his actions. It somehow puts my mind and heart at rest or peace - I will not forget though and it has been a catalyst for me to change a lot of things about myself which I knew needed fixing but was too scared to delve deeper into ... Does that sound weird? Thank you for the post and article it really does help with the understanding of how their minds work and puts things into perspective with regards to my experience with my ex N boyfried :-)
Aug 1 - 9PM (Reply to #7)
sara-smile
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Lost

No....that does not sound weird at all. I wish I could get to where you are. I wish I could have some compassion for his awful childhood and some compassion because he is sick. I hope that comes to me in time. I want to forgive him (NEVER forget) because I think until we can forgive we can't completely move on. I don't see any of that happening for me for a LONG time. I'm still in the middle of Narc madness with him torturing me for fun! We work together so I still have to see him every day. I pray that I get there one day. I am striving for indifference and forgiveness. It sounds to me like you are in a great place. Thank you for sharing that. It gives me hope. :)
Aug 1 - 10PM (Reply to #8)
Lost
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Have faith

sara-smile that in time you will get there ... I feel for you so much because it is hard when you have to see him every day as it is a constant reminder and therefore NC for you is not so easy. You are right in what you say about forgiving in order to move on and I too never thought I would get to where I am as I never thought that I could get past the pain, loss and grief because it was and sometimes still is so strong. But have faith that you will. There will be a moment where you will shift, your whole soul and energy will shift and you will feel stronger, see more clearly and things will be less painful. One thing I found that has helped me immensely is therapy and meditation. I meditate nearly every day for at least 20mins to calm my mind and ask for healing. I also cut my ethereal ties to him because the energy between us was still unhealthy and toxic. I found this to help as well. If you choose to do this be prepared for a reaction as they will feel this on some level - I cut my ties after 3wks of NC and the next day he called but I ignored the phone call and have not called him back at all. I've not googled him or checked anything, don't get me wrong I have been tempted badly sometimes too or to just contact him and apologise to him for my behaviour and how nasty I was in telling him how I felt ... but I didn't, haven't and won't because he is in the wrong. Just keep telling yourself that you are strong and you are getting through this. Keep re-affirming to yourself that you are a good person and slowly you will feel the shift. Sending you lots of loving and healing energy and support :-)
Aug 1 - 9PM
Smarter-thanthis
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Hmmm the more I read, the

Hmmm the more I read, the more I know the " man I love". I have never heard of such craziness before. Child molesters, believe they exist. Murderers, believe that too. Schitzoprenia, depression, drug addiction....I get all that Narcs.......I thought it was just someone who looked in the mirror a lot. W R O N G !!!!!!!!!!!!,
Aug 1 - 9PM (Reply to #2)
sara-smile
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smarter-thanthis

It's the craziest thing I've ever experienced in my life!!! I read and read and I think I understand and then he pulls something so outrageous that I'm confused and stunned all over again!
Aug 1 - 10PM (Reply to #3)
Smarter-thanthis
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Nuckin futz. Last week I

Nuckin futz. Last week I witnessed a toddler and a 16year old "mean girl" disguised as my ex boyfriend. As he is getting older it is getting WORSE! 46! Just sucks worse cuz this last fiasco was witnessed by all my friends and coworkers on my birthday. IF I ever showed up with him again........I would be labeled the same as the woman who gets beat and brought in the ER. ( I am a nurse in the emergency room). How humiliating! And I get that I am no different right now than " that woman". I just don't have a black eye. How did this happen to all of us??????
Aug 17 - 1AM (Reply to #4)
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I agree when you confront them, they run.

That is what happened to me. Every time I yelled back at him, he would leave the room so fast, that I couldn't see him for the dust. When I went looking for him, it took me ages to find him, and then he was a wimpering mess. Bascially they are bullies......and bullies are cowards. And yes , they get worse as they get older. Also I noticed when I look back that when I got scared or nervous when he was yelling, I use to rub my hands together from fear......he use to always look at my hands when I did that. I never saw it at the time......I must have been feeding his control..........so yes, they notice how scared we are by watching our body language. They are extremely intelligent, but also very stupid, but we don't see that until it's all over and we start looking back.
Aug 22 - 10PM (Reply to #5)
Susan32
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I MOCK him for his cowardice!

The ex-Psych prof can't take refuge in THAT anymore. I think the last time I broke NC, it was to exploit his cowardice for my exquisite pleasure. I saw his cowardice for what it was- laughable. *I* was the one pointing, laughing, and mocking him (albeit in writing, not in person) The ex-P was such a coward, that he'd run whenever he was laughed at (he ran out of the senior skit when it parodied his cowardice), or THOUGHT he was being laughed at!!! The ex-P would enjoy it when I was trembling in fear, he'd hector me, lecture me, reduce me to tears. Now I savor his fear like a pot roast in a slow cooker. The smell is sooo delicious. If I saw him become a whimpering mess in front of me, believe me, I'd ENJOY every minute of it.