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#1 May 6 - 9PM
Anonymous (not verified)
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Here's hoping...

I'm hoping the dust starts settling. Just when I started feeling good after getting an email announcing he's basically giving up...I had this thought again:

Him throwing in the towel = throwing down the gauntlet?

He was pissy & annoyed in his message, and now I'm nervous that he'll do something nasty to get me back. He's turned everything around to being MY fault, of course. I don't want to engage him in an ugly game of 'let's see who can screw the other person over worse'. Geeze, just disappear already!
Any tips in general just in case on how to survive attempts at whatever he might try??

May 7 - 9PM
Barbara (not verified)
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quietude

Exactly! He's DEAD to you. D E A D. Enforce no contact. WHO GIVES A CRAP WHAT HE DOES AND DOESN'T DO - it's all a game to him anyway - so STOP PLAYING. Delete, block - he's gone. No more. Not one teeny inch. Nothing. Nada. Zip. ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Free articles & information for abuse victims: http://abusesanctuary.blogspot.com Cost-Effective Coaching for Victims of Pathologicals http://one2one4victims.webs.com/
May 7 - 8PM
Barbara (not verified)
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dcrutche

First off the fact that these jerks need to find a new "blood supply" asap speaks to their pathology! If you click on MESSAGE BOARD on the left and go back a few pages you will see I posted something on LONELINESS VS. SOLITUDE. Being able to be alone and enjoy your own company is a huge sign of maturity. Something Ns will NEVER be able to do. I know I will never be able to date again but I always tell women to wait at LEAST 18 months or until they feel ready. I did "expose" Psycho-Boy because I believe he's a predator and was harming a lot of people including his children, his spouse and himself. (its a lot to read but it will help you understand my story better) http://cyberpathlinks.blogspot.com/2007/06/j-aka-gridney-aka-yidwithlid-aka-sammy.html He has continued to try to smear me and twist history, even 5 years later. If you want to laugh at this fake history of what happened he's selling - feel free. It may put your N's nonsense into perspective: http://www.jewishblogging.com/blog.php?bid=96316 I opened up another blog after his fanciful rewriting of reality with HARD PROOFS on it (at least the ones I can show people) just to put all the truth out there for myself and my friends. http://thestumblingblock.wordpress.com I had to speak to him about 15 months ago and he was still blaming and shaming and posting nasty crap online about me. http://stumblingtchatzkahs (dot) blogspot (dot) com Whatever - I said what I needed to say and I am not taking it down, as he wants me to. I know this is NOT revenge but a "public service" (as well as putting the truth out there so maybe one day he'll get help; though I am NOT holding my breath) - if he & his wife want to continue to call me a liar, turn people against me and malign me - fine. I did take out a cease & desist on them 14 months ago and so far he's been quiet. I think he just never thought I'd go that far. I know I am ready to speak to him as an adult again because I am now immune - but he's still projecting, lying and blame-shifting so as long as he continues to do that I will not engage with him. That's my bottom line. But it took a lot for me to reach this point. As far as exNH goes - we speak a few times a week about the kids and bills but otherwise - if he starts in on me I walk away or just tune him right out. He even knows when I "glaze over" and says "ARE YOU LISTENING TO ME?" and I say "No." while looking him right in the eye. He could scream in my face for an hour at this point and I wouldn't be able to tell you a word he said most of the time because I have mentally gone to "my happy place." LOL! ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Free articles & information for abuse victims: http://abusesanctuary.blogspot.com Cost-Effective Coaching for Victims of Pathologicals http://one2one4victims.webs.com/
May 7 - 7AM
quietude (not verified)
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no contact

No contact for me means not replying, detaching from any romantic notions, and not feeling sorry for him. He questions if I'm even getting his messages or e-mails. He sends e-cards, and the sender can see if you've 'picked it up', so I don't open that junk. I scan them probably for the same reason I am careful about my safety in general. If I can see it coming, I can at least prepare. I'm sure after he's left me alone for a while, I might be able to relax about it. Unfortunately, my radar is on full alert right now. Believe me, I would love to get to the total no contact point.
May 7 - 8AM (Reply to #5)
Barbara (not verified)
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The No-No List

If you’re trying to get over a breakup there are things you SHOULD be doing: you should be taking care of yourself, you should be eating right, sleeping, exercising; you should be affirming yourself every single day and building that self esteem; you should be finding support and new friends and interests. You should be writing in your journal and figuring out goals and where you go from here. That is how you get where you are going (to a GREAT life!). BUT there are things that are NO NOs if you want to get there. These can be tough to swallow if we’re used to acting out and doing whatever the heck our feelings tell us to do. But it’s time for a CHANGE. It’s time to be a mature, healthy person who has self-control and self-restraint and MOST OF ALL—-SELF RESPECT! Taking care of YOU and avoiding common entanglements with your ex are KEY to having a happy and healthy future with someone much better. They might be a bit tough to swallow and hard NOT to do, but they are the key to feeling better, faster. DIS-ENTANGLE. You will thank yourself later for it. We’ve talked about being friends with the ex: NO. We’ve talked about all these at one time or another but here they are again, more classic entries on the No No list The No-Contact Rule The most important no-no is No Contact. In this technological age, it is easy to reach out and touch someone. But that does not mean that you should or that it’s a good thing because when you are trying to get over a breakup, it’s not. Don’t mistake grief for love. It’s normal and natural to grieve even if the relationship was the worst relationship in the world. Don’t let your grief cause you to second guess your feelings. Even if you do still love him or her, you don’t have to act on it. You don’t have to make contact or find ways to see the other person. Grief is a long, hard process and often contact will seem like it temporarily alleviates the pain. But it does not really alleviate it; it just postpones the inevitable. If you have children, treat it like a business relationship. No dramatic scenes, no using the children as pawns and no carrying on in front of the children. Read the “Children and Breakups” Chapter and start acting like an adult. Other than exchanges about the children, the “no contact” rule applies. The No-“I have to have closure” Rule The first rule about “closure” is to stop saying the word. It’s a meaningless word and is often bandied about as an excuse to stay in touch with the ex. What happens at the end of grieving is best described as “acceptance” or “integration” or “reorganization” but it’s not described as closure. You can’t “get” closure, you can’t insist on closure. Closure happens when you least expect it, when you realize you’ve done your work and moved on, and it happens from inside you. You don’t’ need to know what your ex thinks or why you ex did a, b, or c to move on. If you want closure you need to do your grief work, integrate the experience into your life and turn the page. Your “closure” is your responsibility. You get closure by doing your work, not by re-engaging and dredging up more stuff. You get closure by keeping yourself safe, being good to yourself and un-attaching from that which you have been attached. The only closure you can hope for is the closure that comes from inside you. The person who hurt you cannot give you closure, nor should you want them to or expect them to or give them that kind of power. You need to move on from where you are for you. Closure is part emotional work and part decision. At some point you need to turn the page and decide it’s over. Closure is your deal and yours alone. When you’ve done the grief work, worked through your inventories and made a decision to move on, that is closure. Closure happens for you and inside you. And only you. You get it from within, never from without. The “No Trying To Make Sense of It All” Rule During the breakup, there is usually some inclination to “set the record straight” or to confront the ex on all the stupid things that he or she said to you. You might not understand where this breakup came from. You might not understand how that last fight led to “it’s over”. You might think you did nothing wrong and you are the best thing that ever happened to your ex. This all seems wrong and unnecessary. You might think back on the relationship and realize your ex said that you were the best thing ever and how much you were loved. Then it was over. Your head reels with incomprehension. How could this be? How could this person say A one day and B the next day? What is really going on with them? Is it something else and they are taking it out on me? How do they think this breakup is going to be a good thing? You might think that if you can just talk some sense into your ex, all will be alright. The temptation to set the record straight is a strong one. After a breakup there are usually a lot of “why”s. Your ex may have said things that do not make any sense to you. You may have heard illogical or un-reasoned explanations that go round and round in your head and you can think of a thousand rebuttals to them all. You ruminate on the things your ex said and figure out the reasons why your ex is simply wrong.about everything. You start to imagine and believe that you can have a conversation and turn this wrong-headedness around. Avoid those thoughts. If your ex is thinking stupidly or wrongly, then accept the fact that you have been with someone whose way of thinking is incompatible with yours. The No-More-Arguments Rule Sometimes people continue to contact each other to tell each other everything they think of them. Once you breakup, there should not be much more to say. If the ex decides that they would like to tell you every thing they think of you (often on a continuing basis), shut it down. Avoid doing the same. Yes, you’re hurt. Yes you have things you would like to say. Yes there are arguments you would still like to have …. and WIN. Don’t do it. Disengage from the ex’s thinking. Allow them their ridiculous thinking even if they are rewriting history. Allow them to blame it all on you or your family or the fact that it was Tuesday or that it was raining. No matter how far our or inconceivable it is, let them have that version of things. Detach from what they think or why they think it. Just let it go. So long as you hold onto and try to manage this “wrong headed” person, you are not going to find the person who is “right-headed” enough for you. Let it go. The “No Sex With The Ex” Rule People not only try to communicate to stay in touch and avoid finishing their unfinished business, they often connect in a physical way. Emotions are running high when you see your ex and every part of you sits up and takes notice. You might mistake your heightened awareness and sensitivity for physical connection. You also might just be lonely and think what the hell. You know each other, you know what sex is like with each other. What’s one more go-round? While breakup sex seems like fun, it comes with confusion and more complications and is, therefore, another no-no. Even if you have a terrific time, you will end up feeling confused and maybe even used, at the very least you have postponed the inevitable–you’ve got to say goodbye. If it’s dead, bury it. Don’t sleep with it. The No-Rebound Rule If the ex has found a new love, it makes our being alone that much more difficult. You may be tempted to throw yourself into a new relationship or to date a lot. Sometimes this eases the initial pain but eventually you need to stop, commit to spending some time alone to do your work and move out of Rebound City. Know that another relationship is not going to help until you grieve this one. Everyone does the “rebound” relationship once or twice in their life but it’s usually not the best thing. When that ends, you now have two relationships, instead of one, to grieve. The “No Avoiding Being Alone” Rule The best thing to do after a breakup is to take time for yourself before your next relationship. People have trouble doing this sometimes, thinking they are never going to be in a relationship again or that no one is every going to want them. Even people who have gone from one relationship to another somehow fear that they are never going to have anyone again. The idea now should be taking a break from relationships and learning to heal yourself and put yourself on the right track. Avoiding being alone is one of the things that is going to keep you from finding your own strength and your ability to construct a well-designed life. You need to spend time with family and friends and meet new people (new friends/contacts) but you also need to learn to bask in your aloneness. Yes, bask. It’s NOT BOREDOM. It’s NOT LONELINESS. IT’S PEACE! The sound you hear is no one bugging the crap out of you. ENJOY the sounds of silence. Make peace with the peace. It will serve you well in your next relationship. Give yourself time and attention and construct that well-designed life that you richly deserve. Leave the ex in the dust and GET ON WITH LIFE!!! http://gettingpastyourpast.wordpress.com/2007/06/26/the-post-breakup-no-no-list/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Free articles & information for abuse victims: http://abusesanctuary.blogspot.com Cost-Effective Coaching for Victims of Pathologicals http://one2one4victims.webs.com/
May 7 - 3PM (Reply to #6)
Fawn
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No No List

Thank you Barbara. This list addresses so many things that have been SO HARD for me. It will be two years in June (on my birthday) since I asked my Narcissist Husband to leave. It has taken many, many months of no contact for him to finally get the point. He still hasn't left me completely alone, but he isn't bullying me anymore. The point about being alone and being okay with it and not getting into a new relationship just because he is are both great. It is so tempting, and I DO feel like it has been so long, no one will want me, I'll be alone forever. But I know that I have been in no shape for a relationship of any kind. I am healing, slowly. People really encourage you to go out with someone else when you have been cheated on and hurt. The desire to avenge the wrongs that have been done to me and the humiliation that I have experienced almost made me do some really stupid things, but I didn't. I'm glad now that I threw myself into work and my kids, moving, and making plans for my future. My therapist told me that I might have fun dating, but that I would still be grieving. I would still be hurting, I would just be distracted. I believed her and didn't act on my desire to get revenge. I know that I can't sleep with anyone until I am able to really block all thoughts of the N from my head. It requires time and discipline to deal with him as much as I have to with the kids. He does look like he is having a great time on the outside and he has found someone to distract him, but I know that he is miserable. What's more, I'm starting to not care! Not my problem.
May 7 - 4PM (Reply to #7)
quietude (not verified)
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dcrutche

It's good to hear for the most part that he's leaving you alone. I hope mine holds enough of a grudge to think punishing me comes in the form of not ever speaking to me again. We'll see! Dating again...that seems like so far away, but I do miss it. I think a lot of guys would be on board with taking the relationship slowly, but of course want to rush the sex! And ofc my exN rushed the whole relationship. It's funny how I used to love to hear my exN say we were so 'in tuned' and were 'soulmates'. Those catch-phrases are just such a turn off now. You're right, you have to just feel ready for it. And it's good you see that he's truly miserable underneath the act. They are so full of crap, it's unbelievable.
May 7 - 7AM (Reply to #4)
Barbara (not verified)
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again I ask

If you would love to get to that point then WHY DO YOU READ THE EMAILS? Every single time you read them - EVERY SINGLE time - you are ALLOWING him to plant more toxicity in your brain. Just look at your original post. He's poison. Who cares if he's questioning you - send him an email: PLEASE DO NOT EMAIL ME OR CONTACT ME EVER AGAIN. period. end of conversation. He's NEVER and I repeat NEVER - going to disappear if you continue this way. NEVER. DELETE EVERYTHING FROM HIM!! E V E R Y T H I N G ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Free articles & information for abuse victims: http://abusesanctuary.blogspot.com Cost-Effective Coaching for Victims of Pathologicals http://one2one4victims.webs.com/
May 7 - 6AM
Barbara (not verified)
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quietude - tips

Here's my first and only tip, in the form of a question: WHY DID YOU READ HIS EMAIL? Block emails Block IMs Erase text messages WITHOUT READING Erase voice message WITHOUT LISTENING Return all mail "Delivery Refused" without opening If he comes to your door - call the police If he stalks you - get a no contact order Seriously - NO CONTACT NO CONTACT NO CONTACT ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Free articles & information for abuse victims: http://abusesanctuary.blogspot.com Cost-Effective Coaching for Victims of Pathologicals http://one2one4victims.webs.com/
May 7 - 11AM (Reply to #2)
quietude (not verified)
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no contact

Okay, so the mind-set is; get it out of your head because of the fact it's not good for us in our healing process to obsess about an action that they may or may not take, and if something should happen, handle it at that time with legal action. Is that pretty much accurate? It still is bothersome to think of what he can potentially do, can't help but be a bit paranoid after what he put me through...