The "hamster's wheel" theory.

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#1 Jul 1 - 8AM
carol24
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The "hamster's wheel" theory.

Hi Everyone,

I have a theory and wanted to ask if anyone else feels this way about their relationship with the narcissist.

It seems to me that the typical narcissist wants to keep his relationship with his romantic partner on a "hamster's wheel". In other words, the relationship appears to be moving forwards but, in reality, is actually going nowhere. Even if he has gone through the motions of moving in together or even marriage there is no increase in actual commitment, love or respect for the partner. At some point we, the partner, begin to realise this and challenge it, but we don't get anywhere because the narc has a logical answer to explain everything. (i.e. "Of course I still want to marry you. It's just that this has been a really busy year for me. I will ask you to marry me soon. I'm going to make it really romantic when I ask you. Just be patient or you will spoil things"). And of course, in this example, he will never ask her to marry him but she will hang on in there thinking that he will.

Most relationships with "normal" people follow a pattern. There is the "honeymoon" at the beginning where everything is exciting and new. During this stage there are no big expectations of each other and no sense of commitment. Everything is just about having fun and enjoying each other's company. It is all about the potential that the relationship may have for the future. At this stage people try to show themselves at their very best. Then, after a while, perhaps a few months, the relationship goes into a new phase - love. At this point we begin to relax and really be ourselves when with our partner. It is natural to begin to rely on our partner a little more. We tend to confide in them more and are not afraid to let them see our weaknesses, mistakes that we have made or our vulnerable side. We take care of them if they are sick and can assume this to will reciprocated. We fall into a routine with them that feels comfortable and secure. We feel loved, respected and happy. Most couples who have been together for a long time would look back on the "honeymoon" stage with great nostalgia and fondness, but that does not mean that they wish for the relationship to go back to that stage. A normal relationship will naturally progress and move forwards.

However, it appears to me that the narcissist wants to keep his relationship at the "honeymoon" stage, permenantly. The narcissist does not want the relationship ever to reach the stage where you feel comfortable telling him your problems. He does not want to feel responsible for looking after you when you are sick. He does not want you to depend on him for his help for any reason. Indeed, he does not want you to have any kind of expectations of him at all. He wants, and expects, to be able to come and go as he pleases, just like he could at the beginning of the relationship.

I believe that this behaviour of the narcissist has a huge effect on us (their partner).

Firstly, by keeping the relationship in the "honeymoon" (all fun but no real commitment) phase, this does have the effect of keeping the relationship exciting for us for a prolonged period of time, far longer than if compared to a relationship with a normal person who does not have a personality disorder. This leads us to believe (incorrectly) that the narcissist is the right person for us because we have never before had a relationship that was so exciting. The way he "keeps us on our toes" give us an adreneline rush. Everything is about the potential that the relationship has to offer, rather than what we are genuinely receiving now, but this is giving us false hope. It is like a person walking through a desert towards an irresistable oasis. They keep walking because they do not realise that the oasis is just a mirage. They are happy to keep going through the dry, hot desert and suffer all of the horrible conditions because they think that one day they will arrive at the oasis and then it will all be worth it. But that day never comes. It is at the point that we realise our relationship is, or was, just a mirage that we suffer severe trauma. It is easier and less painful to go on believing in the mirage than to face the truth about the relationship because of the pain involved and I believe this is partly why it can be so hard to let go of the mirage even for months afterwards.

Secondly, keeping the relationship in the "honeymoon" phase is exhausing for us at the time. I have heard it said that a relationship with a narcissist is like being on a roller coaster ride that you can't get off and I agree with this analogy completely. Roller coasters are fun to start with, but you do not want to still be on them 2 hours later. In the same way, the "honeymoon" phase of a relationship is exhilarating, but who wants a relationship that stays like that indefinately. I believe that it is in keeping us in this early stage and never allowing the relationship to progress to real love and inimacy that the narcissist makes us "sick" (as if we were still on that roller coaster) and the longer we stay on it the worse it becomes.

Once we have researched and understood narcissism we can see this more clearly. But at the time, when we are in a reltionship with such a person, it is frustrating beyond belief that this relationship with someone we love just cannot go forwards no matter how hard we try.

I didn't mean for my post to be so long but I have never been very good at saying things in a concise way. I do think that the more perspective I can get on the reality of how things really were in my relationship the more I am recovering. I would love to hear from anyone else who can relate to feeling like this about their relationship. Perspective is power.

Jul 5 - 8AM
Susan32
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The endless honeymoon that's a nightmare

One would naturally think that an endless honeymoon is PARADISE. That it would be like living in Hawaii, having a beachside villa, always watching the sunrise&sunset. But with Ns/Ps, it's the OPPOSITE. The endless "honeymoon" is a state of stasis. They have you hooked, in love, but making ANY decision- even the one of disinterest- is NEVER made. A NORMAL person will say things like "We're incompatible" or "this isn'g going to work out." The ex-Psych prof was hoovering me like crazy AFTER his girlfriend moved in. A NORMAL guy would've given an explanation behind his behavior. The ex-P would sit next to me in the computer lab (I'd ignore him);I only acknowledged his existence if I felt like it. It's because Ns/Ps have problems dealing with reality. Leo Tolstoy was a major Narc; Sofia was married to him for 48 years. Their 48 years of marriage wasn't a paradise. It was a "honeymoon period" that was NOT a honeymoon. There's a good article about their marriage that says that Sofia longed for her marriage to blossom into friendship... and over nearly 50 years... it never became that. In his last letter, Leo at once idealizes Sofia as an angel of purity&then D&Ds her, blaming her for his behavior.
Jul 5 - 9AM (Reply to #11)
IncognitoBurrito
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Susan32

I whole-heartedly agree with your assessment, of feeling suspended in the honeymoon phase, as being more torturous than romantic. My ears perked up when you said,"It's because Ns/Ps have problems dealing with reality." The N once admonished me, because of my optimism, and resilience. He said,"Do you even know what it's like to walk around in a daze? Surroundings seemingly surreal?" No, no I don't. Unless, I'm inebriated! Seriously, I'm still not sure what was meant. Although, in the case of trauma, that'd be expected.
Jul 5 - 10AM (Reply to #12)
Susan32
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The honeymoon is OVER!

The ex-Psych prof idealized me (and probably still does) because he didn't have to deal with me at a mundane, ordinary level. He didn't come home to me with a pile of homework to correct. We didn't have to negotiate rental payments. We weren't paying bills together, emptying the dishwasher. No wonder he hoovered me after his girlfriend moved in... she was TOO REAL. I was at a distance as a student. He didn't have sex with me, he didn't impregnate me, he didn't marry me-that's a triple dose of REALITY right there, and that's what happened to his girlfriend after I left. For an N/P, marriage/sex/childbearing is the ULTIMATE D&D/devaluing. In some perverse way, I think I'm on HIS pedestal because I didn't have sex with him, have his babies, and tie the knot with him. I'm some sort of unattainable ideal... like Beatrice guiding Dante thru the Divine Comedy. Dante saw Beatrice only a few times, he married another woman, had children with her... but Beatrice came to represent the Ideal Woman. Prince Andrei in "War and Peace" (the ex-P's favorite novel/obsession) still idealizes Natasha, his former fiancee, even when he's dying, because they never had a physical relationship, he didn't marry her, she didn't bear his children. On the other hand, he IS terrible towards his wife Lisa when she's bearing his son. As for the "walking around in a daze/surroundings surreal" that sounds like an N's everyday life. They engage in disassociation. They are disconnected from reality. In "War and Peace",the cerebral Narc Prince Andrei spends most of it hallucinating. Your N was giving an apt description of a typical day for him. They see everyday life as a waking dream.
Jul 1 - 8PM
michele115 (not verified)
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I think the hamster theory is applicable

But this narcissism thing goes even deeper than that....there are plenty of jive dudes without disorders that pull this same crap. Narcissism is a stealth form of psychological abuse that slowly chips away at the victim...the trauma comes from gaslighting, intermittent reinforcement, passive aggression amongst a whole slew of other tools. It does feel like a hamster wheel in that we keep running and running in that wheel and go nowhere. The narc, not phased at all...he keeps moving forward not UP but ahead...I think initially the narc does want the relationship to go further but in his search for perfection - that which does not exist...when that honeymoon is over that is when the D&D begins, he just doesn't let you know. The D&D begins when the abuse begins...he just fails to let you know that you are no longer idealized. The wound so deep some have attempted suicide, some were actually sucessful. I point this out so that it is clear, some have narcissistic traits, there are perpetual peter pans out there and they just like the excitement of the game...but then there is the more sinister, stealth, dark form of full fledged narcissistic personality disorder that leaves victims in clinical trauma. If you are unable to function, articulate or explain why you are clinically insane, safe to say you've been narced. Otherwise, it's a jive dude that's just a typical "Don Juan" there's heartbreak then there's full fledged destruction... BUT in both cases, yes, very much like the hamster wheel except at a certain point with one of them...NPD...the hamster isn't just tired....the hamster is utterly depleted and left for dead.
Jul 1 - 7PM
ruby01 (not verified)
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hamster wheel

I really like this. I noticed that being kept in the honeymoon stage also kept me from falling in love with him. It was always like I was right on the edge but I wouldn't allow myself to fall. For that I'm glad. You can never get comfortable when you are getting dumped right after you just had a great night. I remember at first I kind of thought it was funny. After about the eighth time not so much. In hindsight I find the whole thing vile. Thanks for a great post! Ruby
Jul 1 - 7PM
onwithmylife
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Carol24

WELL PUT, Bravo, it is so true, like a mouse on a merry go round or a never ending roller coaster, i spent 15 years with the man and we could never discuss anything of depth or substance,never, I always said to myself we keep going around with issues that never get resolved. I even said this to myself the first time he ended our relationship over NOTHING, and muttered,' this is like a roller coaster' and many years ago I knew nothing about NPD, but I FELT it.they do not have to grow up, can stay in a playroom and have fun with the other person and do none of the heard work required to reach a deeper intimacy, I knew the narc kept me around for a great sex toy and to try and get my money, I have no illusions NOW.......it is truly HIS LOSS and I can only hope one day he realizes that but i will not hold my breathe!
Jul 1 - 2PM
naive46
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Love the analogy

I really appreciate this analogy of what it's like. I also read something recently related to this (another take but not so eloquent!) where the N must always be in the "honeymoon" phase as it's their "high". Since we are the "drug" they have to keep it that way. Yeah, I know I read where they hate boredom....certainly related to this...but they have to stir and create chaos or they run depleted of their high. I grew up in a chaotic home (child of 2 addicts) but strive for "boring" steady state now. It is less exhausting and you begin to appreciate little things instead of having it all be "over the top" all the time to get the same effect. I've gotten enough of my fill of this lifestyle and glad I got out when I did. Thanks for sharing...(can you imagine living a whole lifetime like this?????)
Jul 1 - 10AM
Caligirl
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I agree with your insight and

Have often thought of the "hamster wheel" myself. It's exhausting. The relationship never does seem to move into that comfortable stage. I moved into my exN's house (he was rarely there in 5 months), and it felt like at that point he began to play games and take me for granted. Mine is a charmer, and he was definitely turning it on in the first few months. I then began to notice he eventually became hypercritical. I think that was his start of the D&D. I felt like I was waiting for the shoe to drop. Carter and Sokol have an interesting chapter in their book, "Help! I'm in Love with a Narcissist." Great read! They point out that the N is a commitment phobe!! This reminds me of that. It's just like idealize, devalue, and discard. The first stage, where you're the idealized love object. The middle stage, where they realize you've been won over and start to withdraw emotionally and back off. The end, where the N is not trying to improve the relationship, basically doing a lot of passive-agressive stuff or blatent behaviors. If you end it, it's bc you have to, and you're trying to figure out what happened, etc. or the N is running out the door. Now, you think if we had any clue the N was going to be this way, we'd have even looked twice in their direction? My thoughts are that I would love to tell my N this, and do they know they are doing this? Do they know they're disordered? Baffles the mind. Thanks for the post. :)
Jul 1 - 10AM
prettypeeved
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I think that's a great

I think that's a great analogy. They suck you in, then if you want things to go further (e.g. commitment) they push you away - this is the hamster going too fast. If you decide you are fed up of them, they pull you back - this is the hamster going too slow. They just want you stuck in the middle trotting along in the vain hope you might get somewhere. Also, love the mirage analogy. Perfectly put.
Jul 1 - 6PM (Reply to #4)
Susan32
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Even hatred is commitment...

Because it's CLOSURE. Narcs hate closure. That's what makes them more insidious than those who are openly enemies. If a person hates you&makes no secret of it- well, you avoid them, and they avoid you. Narcs aren't wired that way. Even if they despise you, they won't make a decision. The ex-Psych prof was PROUD of being indecisive. I realized after the final D&D that he had dangled friendship in front of me, rather than the trifecta of romance/sex/marriage... that would explain why I didn't hate the girlfriend. However, I felt bad for her because he hadn't bothered to acknowledge her existence-and I wanted to beat HIM instead of her into a pulp--and the ex-P had NOT counted on that! He had wanted triangulation, and all he got were lectures on personal relationships FROM A STUDENT young enough to be his daughter. *I* was the one singing his girlfriend's praises... and he looked bored half to death. He wanted the diner special, and I gave him a wilted side salad. The ex-P would throw fits when I volunteered, got published-because those required commitment, those were DECISIONS. Once I realized the games, I put him in the hamster wheel. I felt entitled to do so-because he wasn't my boyfriend, or husband. I'd promise to give him contact info after I moved off-campus, promised a housewarming party--never followed through. I'd tell him "one day I'll tell you where I live in town." Never did.
Jul 1 - 9AM
Hunter
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Your long post is very

Your long post is very good! I'm short and sweet! The bottom line is it's complete insanity! To figure out the motive of this sicko's is a waste if time! Narc = idealize, devalue, discard Normal = Run in the opposite direction, Delete,Delete,Delete Hunter
Jul 1 - 9AM
fatbabe
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Great insights!

I told exN that ke's like a top, going round and round in circles...and putting me & the kids in this poverty & emotional cycle that we dun seem to improve whe everyone is moving on..we are always setting back...no matter how hard, well we try, they will have something to set us back.. in my case, his expensive addictions to gambling, misappropriating of funds, living on credit, women.. we need to get off the wheel!! I did! ;)...followed by nauseous, sick feeling, disorientation!! love what you described!