grief is grief is grief.....

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#1 May 1 - 3PM
Veronrose
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grief is grief is grief.....

Ok, as you all know (and are probably tired of hearing about) my husband passed away 2.5 years ago, and I also have an autistic 10yo son. After my N found his OW and deserted me, I hadn't cried so much since my dear husband passed.

But here's the thing that I have learned. 18mos after our son was born, I knew there was something different about him. My husband was in denial, and it took longer for him to accept. I, on the other hand, wanted to get to the bottom of it quickly, and get him the help he needed. I was in grief for the little fella that I yearned for him to be. It wasn't happening. I couldn't get around it....I had to walk through it. I had NO CHOICE but to accept it and do the work I needed to do for him, myself and my family.

7 years after that, my husband passed suddenly, no warning, nothing. Here one day, gone the next. I spent 7 months on the couch with siblings taking turns to stay with me and help with my kids. Thankfully I had great support from friends and family (and still do) who intervened for me. But here I went again....having to accept something that killed me inside. The man that meant everything to me, the father of my kids, was gone in a second. I walked AROUND it for months....not wanting to feel it, not wanting to accept it. But I couldn't do that for long. It was not healing. I was walking around it, I wasn't walking through it. I couldn't think of him without hurting. So I tried not to. It was during this time I met the N.

The N was a divergence for me. He kept me from thinking about my husband and my loss. He kept me walking AROUND it....then HE disappeared on me. I don't think I grieved properly for my husband. It hurt too much. I am consumed and obsessed with the N and this keeps my grief for my husband at bay. That is where I'm stuck. My grief for the N is keeping my extraordinary grief for my H away.

My point here is that we all have grief. Losing a child to autism or otherwise, losing a spouse, or a family member, losing the Idealized Narc, is ALL grief. We CANNOT walk around it. We HAVE TO walk through it. There is no other way for recovery. It has to hurt. We have to feel it to heal it.

So for all of us hear in the recovery process, we have to feel the pain. We need to feel it and accept it. We need to cry. We need to reach out and depend on others for strength.

We NEED to walk THROUGH it.

Love to all of you,
Veronrose

May 2 - 3PM
michele115 (not verified)
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Vernonrose...

I am sorry for all that you have suffered. I personally had a traumatic loss and as a child "TRANSFERRED" that "trauma/grief" onto other things... I am not a professional, and you seem to be aware of what the dynamics were, but I am wondering if you were to perhaps go back, with the help of a professional of course and begin to try to deal with the original loss - your husband - how much less significance the Narc issue would hold for you. I am only saying that because I learned in hindsight how "cleverly" I avoided the initial issue - down to fear of WAR as a child and completely avoided the issue with my loss because it was so great and so overwhelming that I just could not, my mind would not allow it. Again, I would not suggest you try this witout proper supports in place but I just have a hunch you are on to something...and I think you might be substituting the loss - it's easier in a way as much as the "narc" loss hurts, in a way the narc is really disposable once you get over him...but then what about the Husband loss...again, I'm not in your shoes, but I did this to myself for close to 30 years? I only realized this with the Narc... Hugs!
May 2 - 6PM (Reply to #19)
Veronrose
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Thank you Michele!! Michele

Thank you Michele!! Michele wrote: "I am not a professional, and you seem to be aware of what the dynamics were, but I am wondering if you were to perhaps go back, with the help of a professional of course and begin to try to deal with the original loss - your husband - how much less significance the Narc issue would hold for you". Yep, I am in therapy and yes, at her urging, we have gone back and re-hashed my earlier losses. We began with my dad whom I lost at 13, to my older brother whom I lost when I was 27 (he was 33), to then my husband. It was my therapist who realized that the N was a divergence for me. Michele wrote: "I am only saying that because I learned in hindsight how "cleverly" I avoided the initial issue - down to fear of WAR as a child and completely avoided the issue with my loss because it was so great and so overwhelming that I just could not, my mind would not allow it. Oh YES, exactly! We avoid, at all costs, those things that are too painful. My mind absolutely could NOT wrap around the loss of my husband. I couldn't grasp it. I couldn't even think of him without feeling excruciating pain. So I went on Match, found the N and fell for him and his amazing support. I unintentionally put a blanket over my grief. But this is my point here. Grief is grief, and we absolutely NEED to feel it to heal. If it's not addressed, it will manifest itself in other ways. So when I hear people say, "I hurt so much!", "It's eating me alive", "I cannot stand the pain any longer" or anything else to that affect, I think "Wow, they are going THROUGH it"....they are not alleviating it by drugs, alcohol, other men, or in any other way. We need to cry...we need to accept support, and sometimes we need to stay in bed for the weekend in the fetal position. And we need to realize that this is not weakness....it's gathering strength. It sucks, Michele, It SUCKS!!! But that is the path we have to take to heal in the long run. Thanks for your comments and your support!!! xoxo Veronrose
May 2 - 6AM
Alibi_10
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Grief

Veronrose, your post brought me to tears. .. you expressed so movingly the effects and consequences of delayed grief and my heart goes out to you. Out of interest, my doctor was telling me about delayed grief only a few weeks ago. I married a man. .. not the narc. ... who could not have children so I gave up my chance to have kids for him. This man then left me just three weeks after my dad died and I had just had a huge op myself. .. I call him the grief thief! ! You are right that in the face of adversity we carry on regardless, but interestingly you pointed out that the narc was a distraction from feeling the grief we are supposed to feel. Although my dad was not a narc, the narc had similar interests and subconsciously I must have been drawn to him for this reason. What is baffling, though is how we can really dig deep and cope with such awful situations, yet these hideous people cause us to cave in utterly. ....I wish I knew the answer to that one. I am glad you are determined to feel the things you were made to, .... and once again my heart goes out to you.
May 2 - 7PM (Reply to #17)
Veronrose
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Alibi, Thank you!! Yep,

Alibi, Thank you!! Yep, delayed grief gets us no where. My N was so great in allowing me to cover it up and ignore it. They know weakness and BOOM, they strike. Narcs know vulnerability....they KNOW how they can integrate themselves into our lives. They're like a dog's heartworm....they can get in and weave themselves into our hearts. Difference is, they won't kill us. With strength and courage, we can unweave them. I am so sorry about your dad. Try to forget the "grief thief"....You need to grieve. Please let yourself, and be gentle with yourself in the process. Cry and let it out. Cry and let EVERYTHING out. THAT is healing. I let myself cry last night....I sobbed....it was very cathartic. (((hugs))) Veronrose
May 1 - 5PM
Veronrose
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Thank you so much, you guys,

Thank you so much, you guys, for all the support! I don't feel that I am amazing or have a ton of strength like you all said, cause i am sitting here crying....but THAT'S okay!!!! I'm taking my own advice and getting all the toxins out. Like my hubby used to say "This is the hand God dealt us Veronrose, and we have no other choice but to play it"....Well, this is the new hand I'm dealt,and I WILL play it. Anyone going to Atlantic City, NJ???? LOL. Anyway, I am going to FEEL the loss of my husband, and I will FEEL the loss of the Narc...and THAT's how I will heal. Unfortunately NC was forced on me when my husband died, NC with my Narc is MY decision.......NCNCNCNC. Love you guys!!!! xoxo Veronrose
May 1 - 5PM
Happy1
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You are a strong and amazing

You are a strong and amazing woman. You are so right and I'm one where I will bury my pain and not face it. We do need to face this or we will not recover. Thank you for sharing! Big Hugs!
May 1 - 5PM
Steph
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You are one incredabley

You are one incredabley strong woman. I can't even imagine the things you have experienced, and yet, here you are, offering support and encouragement to others. "We HAVE TO walk through it. There is no other way for recovery. It has to hurt. We have to feel it to heal it." You're words are inspiring and so are you:) xoxo
May 1 - 4PM
Hunter
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VR

You are strength. WOW!! Rock on. That Dumb Narc doesn't deserve one minute of your time. I know happiness is over due for you. It's coming I feel it. Hunter
May 1 - 6PM (Reply to #12)
Veronrose
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Hunter, YOU, girlfriend, are

Hunter, YOU, girlfriend, are my new found ROCK....and I will, indeed, Rock ON!!!!
May 1 - 4PM
janine
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Feeling your feelings

I am sorry about all the loss you have had. I have not been here for a while, so I did not know your story. As I'd said to you earlier today I had tried to avoid pain after a lot of blows life had dealt me by letting myself get involved with the N. I'd told him from aquare one this was just an affair. His reply "I know. A woman like you would not have a relationship with a chap like me." True, normally I would not. But I had grown so resigned I fled into my favourite drug - sex. A friend had warned me that I was not in touch with my feelings. Now I was soaking up the N's pain as well and falling in love with him while disliking him. I fell ill, because my body could no longer cope with all I suppressed. I nearly died. What happened then I can only call enlightenment. I could see what was wrong with me, and I promised God I'd do my best to change, to be brave and feel all I had to feel, if I got the chance and a little more time. He gave me that and I used it. I had therapy, I have done much healing, also about things that happened in my childhood. I can feel again though I can still not cry. Veronrose, you say you are stuck in your grief. But you are beginning to work through it, and the only way out is through. We will be here for you.Wishing you courage and strength.
May 1 - 4PM
kgirl
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Oh Veronrose.....I am so

Oh Veronrose.....I am so sorry for all you've been through :( At least you are here and we can all help each other walk through our pain and grief....face our issues head on. Strength and peace to you! XoXo ~KG
May 1 - 6PM (Reply to #9)
Veronrose
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Thank you KG!!! Yep, we're

Thank you KG!!! Yep, we're walking each other through. One step at a time my friend. That's all we can do. xoxo V
May 1 - 4PM
Swan
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Veronrose

I was touched by your post. Remind yourself that crying for the loss of your husband is tears well spent. Crying for the Narc is a waste of precious energy that you could be using for your own betterment, the betterment of your children and the healing of your heart. Grab a box of Puffs and let loose.
May 1 - 4PM (Reply to #7)
Veronrose
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You are sooooo right Swan.

You are sooooo right Swan. I'm still amazed that I don't have my priorities straight. But see, that's the thing. I see a lot of posts here asking "why am I hurting?", "why am I crying?" We are hurting and crying because we are human and hurt. and that's what needs to be done. As much as it sucks, we NEED to feel it...we need to allow ourselves to hurt. For 7 months after my husband died, I sat around, comotose, lying on the couch, doing crossword puzzles. I REFUSED to think about him. I couldn't. And believe me, my grief over my husband is SO MUCH greater than that of the N, but in a lot of ways it's the same. The weekend N told me there was someone else, it hit me like a bullet. I spent the weekend in bed, crying, in the fetal position. My sister took my kids. Now this didn't last 7 months like after my husband passed, but still. It friggin HURT. And that's what I'm trying to say....grief is grief. And grief hurts. The sad thing is that my N is still alive and I'm able to contact him....my husband, I can't.
May 1 - 4PM
onwithmylife
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Veronrose

What a heart wrenching story of yours and beautifully spoken . I think you are right that the narc is sidetracking you from grieivng the death of your husband. Hold some ceremony for the narc to let him go and then do the right and hard work of mourning your husband, a man I am assuming who truly deserved your love and respect.It was like my not greieving my dad when he died and i was 14 years old, the narc represented my dad in some ways, it was like i was trying to relive what was taken from me at an early age and thus put up with years of abuse to win his love. I know now the narc and my dad are NOT one and the same. remember the adage, what you do not grieve through, will come back at some point in your life to haunt you and I think we may be two peas in a pod in that respect...............
May 1 - 4PM (Reply to #2)
Veronrose
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Thank you OWML!!! Yep, my

Thank you OWML!!! Yep, my husband was the best. My dad also died when I was young, I just turned 13. I remember being in the hospital, hearing that he passed and looking to my mom to know how to feel....for the emotion I should have. It was really confusing. So yeah, I was chasing the daddy figure. Actually, I chased that with my husband too....he was 6yrs older than me and he took such good care of me. The Narc? He always called me princess, sweet cheeks, little one, babe, and beautiful babe. Sickening, but I totally melted with those terms. I think we definitely are two peas in a pod in that respect. onwithmylife, are you in the US? And if so, what state?
May 1 - 5PM (Reply to #3)
onwithmylife
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Veronrose

sent you a private message, I am in Montana, whereabouts you?
May 1 - 6PM (Reply to #4)
Veronrose
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Hey you, I saw it and

Hey you, I saw it and responded. I am in suburban Phila, Pa. Narcdom is ALL over the world!!! xoxo
May 1 - 7PM (Reply to #5)
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I'm in West Chester, Pa!!!!

I'm in West Chester, Pa!!!!