Good News They Can Change

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#1 Jun 9 - 10AM
Avid
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Good News They Can Change

Ok I had to come on here real quick on my lunch break with the latest news. I have been doing very well with NC, so a few minutes ago I get a email to my work from the exn and he wrote the following.....

"I was tired of the same old same ole so I had to change I could not change you but I am able to control me and that is what I am doing. I had to change me. I am tired of existing I want to start living. Bye"

So ladies I guess they can change. Normally after a d&d he would still try to keep me in the picture, but now that he is with one of his recyled ow he acts like I was not the person that spent 12 years taking his sh&t. I must say he is being VERY GOOD to the woman that he has recycled because normally he would get rid of me until he got in good with the other woman and then he would latch back onto me so I guess he has changed this time for REAL. I wonder what I needed to change about myself when all I did was love him unconditionally. I feel hurt and depressed but what can I do but move on. I am sorry for any typos but I am rushing to get back to work.

Jun 9 - 5PM
Susan32
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Good News/Bad News, they don't change

I do NOT recommend breaking NC... and what I found, it was by happenstance, I wasn't looking for it. Let's just say I was at my college's website due to the recent passing of a classmate...and I found out that the ex-Psych prof was giving a lecture titled "Quietism on the Side of Happiness",and that it was somehow a word salad of Wittgenstein, Schopenhauer, and Tolstoy, with a Russian dressing of "War and Peace." He's as obsessed with "War and Peace" as he was 15 years ago. He has lost interest in St. Augustine... because somehow I won with that one. My senior thesis forever ruined Augustine for him. He's still a pompous bore. And with that clunky word salad title "Quietism on the Side of Happiness", he's misusing grammar *WORSE* than when I knew him(!!!) He used to be coherent back in the day. And the class he gave on Schopenhauer- the description he wrote was scrambled eggs on salad, like that song for the "Frasier" show.
Jun 9 - 3PM
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OMG! When I read this, I

OMG! When I read this, I thought you were being facetious! I didn't think you were serious until I started reading the other posts. It sounds almost exactly like what mine did and something he would say. "I was tired of the same old same ole so I had to change I could not change you but I am able to control me and that is what I am doing. I had to change me. I am tired of existing I want to start living. Bye" Mine said, after the Grande Finale D&D dumping me for recycled supply, "I'm not getting any younger and I was ready for a new chapter in my life. I learned from my mistakes with you and I'm not going to make the same ones with her. This is my REAL personality. This is how I really am." And I love how they end with just, "Bye." So cold and abrupt. At the time, I believed he was going to be a better man for her than he was for me and it killed me, but it's because I didn't know what he was yet and hadn't done all the reading I have for the past few months. Now I know these are PREDICTABLE cycles they repeat over and over and over again with EVERY woman. The length of the relationship may vary, but they all end the same. They NEVER change except to get worse over time. Mine even said once, "Nothing good ever lasts.... not with me anyway." I told him he would screw up this relationship just like every other one. Later on he asked me about that a couple of times, wanting to know if I really thought that would happen. I said, "I really don't know" at that point because I didn't want him taking it as a challenge and putting in extra effort just to prove me wrong, which is just the sort of thing he would do. So I know, deep down he's worried about this and when it all falls apart, like it eventually will, he'll remember my words.
Jun 9 - 1PM
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Good News They Can Change

Ok, I am home now and I have more time. I have read all of the responses and I thank you all for being the support that you all are. I will try to answer all of the questions here. Ok we have not seen each other since Jan. 31, but I we would call each other. He d&d me very bad in Feb. once he got back with the recycled ow that he has been back and forth with for about 6 years. He has tried to hoover me since the latest d&d by calling me and saying he loved me missed me you know the drill. Before I started the nc he had stopped calling me because I texted the ow and told her he was calling me to say he loved me. I must say I was calling him because I have spent 12 yrs. with this man and I wanted him to be a better man. I started nc after he said why are you calling me I am not calling you. I felt like crap so I have been nc now for a few days. The only reason that I even remotely think that he has changed is because he will not call me or return a text to me unless it is something telling me he is done with me, and I think he wants things to work with the recycled ow so if it means changing I think he is doing that. He has never treated me like this normally he would still stay in touch even tho he was with another woman. Part of me says well it's the same shit different toilet and part of me thinks he has changed. I know I must have fallen and bumped my head to think that but that is how I feel. It tears me up to think that after 12 years now he wants to be a good guy. Oh one last thing I cannot block him from sending emails to my job unless it becomes harrasement.
Jun 9 - 3PM (Reply to #33)
michele115 (not verified)
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Avid

The "reality" of what you are dealing with is new. Moreover 12 years is a lot of time for brainwashing. To think you know someone to a certain extent then they do an about face...put it this way...you got used to the dysfunction of him running hot and cold and the recycling. The reality is they are users, manipulators, addicted to self and addicted to "supply" you could be the most beautiful woman in the world - you could be Mother Theresa...that simply does not matter to a narc. They are primitive in their thinking...it is instinct...it is "GET MY NEEDS MET NOW" but the unfortunate side to this is that their barrel of needs is bottomless, NO ONE can fill their needs that is why they cycle all over the darn place. Your job when with a narc is to fill THEIR need and have NONE for yourself. The minute you have one, the minute you want to get close, the minute you want to bond and push for it...they jet... AVID, this man has not changed, they get high off the chase...that is why they go back and forth and recycle...build you up to tear you down. The others are probably just as trauma bonded which is why they keep putting up with it - and they are probably in the dark about this disorder...they're stuck in the web. You will have CD over this for a time...keep reading, keep sharing, keep educating yourself and don't look back. This man is bad news, will only bring you down and you are worth much more than that...12 years does not have to become 20. Heal, grow, find your center and you will recover. Hugs!
Jun 9 - 2PM (Reply to #27)
ShaynasMommy
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AVID, come now

"The only reason that I even remotely think that he has changed is because he will not call me or return a text to me unless it is something telling me he is done with me, and I think he wants things to work with the recycled ow so if it means changing I think he is doing that." and do realize he is only changing his tactics. Not having a change of heart. OK? You are still struggling with the cog diss. You don't get it about him yet. and that's ok, you will in time. just stay here with the girls and you will see in time. He is telling you this constantly because he wants to hurt you. They hurt us when they sense they are losing the game. Its just sayin f you I am taking my toys and going home now. He instictively knows youre on to him, so its all he can do to lick his woulnds, you see?
Jun 9 - 2PM (Reply to #28)
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ShaynasMommy

I know he wants to hurt me, but I have one on him because I can love and I can connect. I am trying to be strong and get through this and I will. thanks for the support
Jun 9 - 4PM (Reply to #32)
ShaynasMommy
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Avid

"but I have one on him because I can love and I can connect" ---which means EVERYTHING to them. You are correct. You and I and everyone else here has something they will never have. Hang on to that. big hugs SM
Jun 9 - 3PM (Reply to #29)
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avid

He sensed that you are giving him up, and he is back with OW, so he doesnt want to make too much effort anymore in keeping you, but what he wants, is knowing that you know that he wants to change now, with this OW of course. Ok I write this with a blinking eye. This is a I let you know I am a good man and can change mission, to make you feel like you have lost something. They are forever carrot danglers. Dont fall for this, and waste more time, later you will hate yourself for the wasted time. Mine did the same with me, he came back always when he sensed I was onto him, when I confronted him with his lack of conpassion and empathy, he came back to give me the good man wants to change and I so much care for you, and I am so understanding - card...it was only to D&D me again, with the thought in mind, I know what good men he is, he mentioned more than one psycho, borderline, bipolar and these stuff, he sensed I know what he is. DOnt do this, dont fall for this bullshit. Its all just a mission. They are like children. See everyone has these traits also within themselves, I am not free of that too. If I had the chance to subtile let him know what great woman and success I am and what he has lost just to punish him, I guess I still would do that. And they are masters at this, their whole life is based on this, cause they are carrying around all this pain that they never dealed with. So please, I know it sucks, just trust us, we see it more clearly than you from outside. Big big hugs
Jun 9 - 3PM (Reply to #31)
michele115 (not verified)
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Yes!

Exactly Jen!
Jun 9 - 3PM (Reply to #30)
Avid
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jen79

Thanks, I thought about that too that he wants me to feel bad that he has changed for her. He is probably trying his best because he has done it with me but sooner or later the mask starts to slowly come off. If I stay here on this board long enough I might be a tough little cookie
Jun 9 - 1PM (Reply to #24)
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he hasn't changed even if he

he hasn't changed even if he really wanted to change it hasn't been long enough for a true change but the key is in the words "I can't control you" "control" isn't a love word, honey it's an N word he thinks he can control the OW he's got now but when that stops working he'll be back and he wants you desperate and needy and questioning yourself so that you'll be begging him to forgive you for all the shit HE did! Don't fall for it
Jun 9 - 2PM (Reply to #25)
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avid

THE ONLY THING THEY CHANGE IS THEIR WOMEN...OR IF YOU ARE REALY LUCKY THEIR CLOTHES.
Jun 9 - 2PM (Reply to #26)
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Used

LOL that's a good one
Jun 9 - 1PM (Reply to #21)
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Avid

I'm sorry, I understand you hurt! What you are doing is falling for another form of abuse and manulipation! These PD men do not think, feel, behave the way I do ,the way you do! When I say scrambled eggs I mean it! 12 years is a long time and it hurts! You are going to fall into a narc trap! They try everything to manipulate, nice, rage, silence etc! Please keep reading! Hunter
Jun 9 - 1PM (Reply to #22)
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Hunter

I get what you are saying I was doing good with the nc and he sends me that email and it threw me back a few steps. I did not respond and I will not respond. I want to be happy and at peace and I know I will never have it with him.
Jun 9 - 2PM (Reply to #23)
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Avid

Please please listen! He his playing with you in a very cruel way! Its pissing me off ! Delete,delete,delete Hunter
Jun 9 - 12PM
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AVID

Hi precious one Great job with NC (BTW is there any reason you dont block him?) ok Lets read that just once more time shall we? its a quote he heard(from 12 step) but as ussual Narc's cant get anything quite right they have to add or subtract or get words wrong they need to do that annoying Narcspeak thing they do (how else can they confuse folks? ok were reading.. "I cannot CHANGE you "but I am able to CONTROL me" (and you ) the rest is also jumbled and inccorrect "so I changed me?" um when?.. BTW you can only CONTROL anything for so long, so no CHANGE hold that beachball underwater as much as you can (control it) its gonna keep popping up unless the beachball is DEFLATED (changed) say you will hold your breath,control your breath sooner or later your gonna breathe because that is what you have to do to live my point is that HE is always going to be about CONTROL because that is what a Narc has to do to live CHANGING is the last thing on his mind CONTROL is the best they can do, No CHANGE when people make a CHANGE, or change themselves they dont Email it. (typical narc move) they just go ahead and people notice the change, Im so sorry to say this but being a Malignant Narcissist is fatal there is no surgury to excise it Avid, look up the word Malignant wow he is a real N please, just stay in your lane, as you have been, not giving him supply..nothing my motto? "starve the N" not a syllable not a breath you get to keep your dignity and that is powerful he is still keeping you in the picture as he always did he's just using different words, to make you think he can change(thats so funny) he cant, not ever, he is missing that stage of development and he's not and cannot go back in time to fix it he cant, CONTROL is the best they can do to them it even seems like change ( so twisted) ist nt dont be fooled, your too precious be blessed k ok "
Jun 9 - 3PM (Reply to #19)
Smitten Kitten (not verified)
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They only change their

They only change their persona or their mask for the new target.
Jun 9 - 2PM (Reply to #18)
Deidre40
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girlsinger

{{{girlsinger}}} i love what you posted here. i needed to read this today. 'not a syllable not a breath' i thought i was getting better at nc. but, after yesterday--i know that i can do muuuuch better. and this is what it means, to literally make it as though they don't exist. we are not dealing with normal human beings. we are dealing with evil, mentally ill people who view relationships as another playground for their games and control. scary stuff. only we can stop it.
Jun 9 - 12PM
michele115 (not verified)
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Avid

Narcs don't change...they are incurable, they are mentally ill...moreover he said it all: "I can't control you"...that is what he wanted to do all along. He recycles. He'll be back - make sure you don't bite. Hugs!
Jun 9 - 12PM
Hunter
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Avid

Hahaha! He beat you again! Do you see? It's all manipulation! Do the actions meet the words? Hunter
Jun 9 - 12PM
nancyh
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Maybe "bye" is in the Narc

Maybe "bye" is in the Narc handbook?!?!?

Nan

Jun 9 - 12PM
helldweller
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"bye"

Oh, brother. Yep. All the time.
Jun 9 - 1PM (Reply to #12)
ShaynasMommy
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the word "bye"

that's just shorthand for another D&D. When he doesn't have time for the full version of how he REAALLY feels about you.
Jun 9 - 3PM (Reply to #13)
Smitten Kitten (not verified)
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Bye!

LOL! That is so true. Does anyone else in your life just say "Bye?" OK, maybe an infant learning to talk. Mine used to do that too when we'd fight, whether it was on the phone before hanging up, text or email. I, on the other hand, would usually tell him to fuck off!
Jun 9 - 11AM
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You poor thing! Im sorry, but you are not seeing things clearly yet. He contacted you to tell you he changed to make you believe he had and trust me, he hasn't. He wants to test the waters with you. He wants you to beg for him now. Trust me when I say this man HAS NOT changed. Please read read read. He is going to come back to you again and it sounds like it's a continuous cycle of supply for him. He changes partners when he feels like. You can end it by not responding and never speaking to him again. It's your choice for your own happiness.
Jun 9 - 11AM (Reply to #10)
ShaynasMommy
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To Avid---

I am here to personally tell you why I know he hasn't changed. My ex N tried the same crap on me and I totally ignored him for good. So now I have found out since (it has been TEN YEARS, mind you) that he still badmouths me on Facebook to anyone who will lap it up!!! There was no taking responsibility or sorrow for this man!!!! He was just royally pissed off because I threw a monkey wrench in his grand scheme to keep me on the backburner while he pursued other women. FUCK THAT!!!! That is PROOF that they don't change and, as an aside,if I was my exN's current wife I'd be real suspicious of that. In order to change for the positive you need to have an epiphany or two and that just doesnt happen with an abuser. No way. Put this out of your mind.
Jun 9 - 11AM
Deidre40
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The fact that he sent that

The fact that he sent that note to you? Shows...he didn't change. lol I'm being serious. If he was a hardcore abuser to you? He didn't just change. He changed WOMEN. But, he didn't change. And the fact that he's 'declaring' that to you? Shows he hasn't. He's still interested in keeping you on the backburner...juuuust in case. The fact that he signed it 'bye,' it's just so classic.
Jun 9 - 11AM
Lobo555
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Um. . . not buying it

I don't believe him. How long has he been with the recycled OW? I think he's trying to get you back on the hook by pretending he is changed so you let your guard down. This guy has a recycled OW, you possibly on the hook (or so he thinks), and probably other OWs out there. He has *no reason* to change. You're right that there is nothing to do but move on. But you're wrong that you needed to change something about yourself to keep him. He wants you to think that! He wants you to let your guard down by thinking it's you and then when he comes back around saying he's "better" and "different" you'll let him in. If he's so changed and happy with recycled OW, why does he have to announce it to you? Why not just let you live your life the way he's supposidly moving on and living his? I'd take his text with a grain of salt the size of Spain.
Jun 9 - 11AM
spinning
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Avid, sweetheart,

the loser did you a FAVOR. Yea, he can change alright. He'll change his way right back to your doorstep when he D & D's the recycled supply. He's so changed that he has to recycle supply! Wow. That's novel. That "living." You will move forward, find happiness and a full life free of chaos and destruction and he'll be doing the same old same old that he's so terribly "tired of." Ho hum... Believe me. This "guy" is giving you a gift. I can't wait for you to be so unavailable and unconcerned and of course unresponsive when he comes back to recycle you... Avid, I hope you have a good day. Things will get better. Love and light to you and all who stop here from (not) spinning. NOT POSSIBLE. THE SICK MF'ER TRIED REALLY HARD BUT HE COULDN'T TAKE ME DOWN!!

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