Future Narcissists and Seducers

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#1 Apr 30 - 10AM
woundedsoul36
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Future Narcissists and Seducers

I have been reading up on that Manhood101 site that was posted here. It led me to a site by Tom Leykis. He also comes up with these "PLAYER" rules. Some of the shit they are taeching men are UNBELIEVABLE. For example: never compliment your woman..only use backhanded compliments to wear her down, never call her on the weekend, never date single mothers, never ever show your emotions: never let her know she has the upperhand, she is to feel like she is the disposable one at all times etc...

I am so confused. These seduction sites are teaching men to be this way to control women. I am now not sure if my ex is a real narcissist or someone that has been trained to be one. I know, I know..."who cares" but I guess that I'm feeling that therapy could help someone that was trained in the guerilla warfare of a player vs. nothing helping a path. narcissist. I feel it's getting harder for me to tell the difference after reading this shit. It's so pathetic...either way, men ARE NOT BEING TRUE TO WHO THEY REALLY ARE. It's just so disheartening to know that the thought of ever having a potentially REAL LOVE from a TRUE & REAL MAN is seriously dwindling.

here's the site:
http://www.leykisonline.com/portal/viewforum.php?f=2

Apr 30 - 4PM
better off
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Does that really make

Does that really make sense? You said: I am now not sure if my ex is a real narcissist or someone that has been trained to be one. I know, I know..."who cares" but I guess that I'm feeling that therapy could help someone that was trained in the guerilla warfare of a player vs. nothing helping a path. narcissist Who would want this "training"? A normal person? Anyone reading this garbage, nodding their head and saying "yeah," and then implementing it is a sicko! People seeking control and manipulation of other people are permanently sick. How could therapy help someone who sought out to learn this behavior?
Apr 30 - 10AM
sanctuary
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I do believe there still are

I do believe there still are a few "Real Men," not for me right now, but in general. I think a real man wouldn't be needing or wanting to be on a site like that. It starts way earlier when they're kids and see what those around them do. Sometimes, that can be changed. But with a born N/S/P it's pointless.
Apr 30 - 10AM
loveofmylife
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it is sad

to think that men who read this stuff have to rely on these trick techniques because they cannot win a woman based on real substance and character alone!
Apr 30 - 3PM (Reply to #2)
Barbara (not verified)
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seduction and narcs

wrong loveofmylife Sandra Brown, MA in WWLP talks about how Ns, Ps and other pathologicals either know this stuff intuitively or learn it. The SEDUCE WOMEN NOW industry is a BILLION DOLLAR A YEAR industry. It's all about control. An N or P HAS NO REAL SUBSTANCE OR CHARACTER - all they know is they want their needs met. NLP = NeuroLinguistic Programming - used in sales, marketing, politics and... seduction/ mind control http://www.lisaescott.com/forum/2009/04/03/seduction-dummies http://www.lisaescott.com/forum/2010/01/21/art-seduction It can be very helpful: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuro-linguistic_programming#Techniques But in the 'hands' of a pathological it is DEADLY, taking months for you to heal and deprogram from once you go No Contact.: http://www.cultcontrol.com/?hop=20754 http://www.fastseduction.com http://www.dating-advice-coach.info/SeductionTechniques.htm http://www.coverthypnosisguide.com/nlp-mind-control.php http://www.nlpandhypnosis.com A GREAT GRAPHIC THAT EXPLAINS HOW NLP WORKS: http://www.nlpmind.com/images/ss.gif THEY ALL DO THIS!!! ALL OF THEM!!! ~~~~~~~~~ Moving Forward: Coaching for Victims Pathologicals Feelings buried alive never die. - Alice Miller
Apr 30 - 11PM (Reply to #5)
loveofmylife
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AGreed

yes, I meant that they have no real substance or character, so this is the way they have to get someone! Will be ordering WWLP this weekend - can't wait!
Apr 30 - 5PM (Reply to #3)
GIJ
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NLP Scares me

I remember sitting in his living room. He asked others to leave. There I was alone with him for the first time. He was doing the reptile stare, using a low intimidating voice. I heard him out. He made valid points. I remember closing the conversation by saying (also in a low voice) "I hear you." I didn't commit to anything, agree with him. That was all I said. And months later, I decided to move in the direction he "needed". Because I thought that is what I really wanted. Was it? Is it? I have some things to figure out. I realize now he had an agenda, more than one!. He studies the brain and cognitive behavioral techniques (for a living, how convenient). I remember feeling intimidated, yet I held my own. I remember the mood of the place when others returned. The energy was low - like all the oxygen had been sucked out of the place. He could really drain people. Still does. What concerns me is that I made a change in my life path based on my interactions with him and his organization. I had no idea what was happening at the time. Looking back, I can see he was "influencing me" with NLP. My last phone call was filled with what I now know are embedded commands. I was so confused when i hung up the phone, not that that was the first time. And now I'm left to wonder, what am I doing again? And - do I want this? What is my motivation...and is it mine? I'm trying really hard not to beat myself up over this. But I do need to get clear on what I am doing with my life and career. I just can't help but wonder, am I taking this new direction because I want to or because of his programming? (It's get's better - he had a few agents working on his behalf...so i was part of a multi-narc scheme) The whole situation is a nightmare for so many. I am fortunate to have physical distance. So many have been cheated out of money, homes, jobs. I can make more money. I just feel robbed of my time, energy, passion, creativity, and knowing what the hell I'm doing. What a jackass. Part of me wants to succeed just because I can - to show him I win in spite of it (or show me since he could care less). But I can't let pride get in my way. that would be foolish. I do enjoy what I'm doing...and I'm good at it. It's like losing virginity...you can't get it back. If I go back to the beginning - I did like what I was doing for my contribution. I'll have to ponder more. But - the NLP thing - truly scary. truly evil. Glad I know it exists so I can have it on my radar. I've watched it in action with sales. I am straining with the people who use it that way. What goes around comes around is all I can hope for. Thanks for the links.
Apr 30 - 5PM (Reply to #4)
Barbara (not verified)
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NLP

you hear or read NLP every time you listen to an ad on TV or radio or read one in a magazine we are so inundated with it - I don't think we really see what it is anymore Embedded Commands: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1NMyhNufcE (btw I think Tom Leykis is a d-bag!) ~~~~~~~~~ Moving Forward: Coaching for Victims Pathologicals Feelings buried alive never die. - Alice Miller