Fierflie freaking out part two

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#1 Sep 26 - 5PM
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Fierflie freaking out part two

The thread was getting skinnier and skinnier...
So i am restarting this topic.

The topic is that Fierflie still believes that somehow she was so bad, her narc had a reason to beat her so bad she had bruises for three months.

I said:

OK, but you are holding two conflicting ideas in your head (cognitive dissonance). Men should not beat women, even if they are "incompatible" or "bad" (are you five years old?). And a man should have beaten you. Are you SOOO especially bad that there is a special rule for beating you. Men should not beat women..except Fierflie? What if my husband beat me? Would that be okay? You seem much nicer than me.

Honey... have you really worked on childhood issues with your doc? I have to wonder what things you might even have suppressed. I have never heard anyone think they deserve punishment like you do. It is breaking my heart. If you were a cigar-smoking peg-legged foul-mouthed insolent bitch on wheels, you would not deserve a beating.

Do bad children deserve beatings?

Sep 27 - 11AM
kiwi10
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i dont think living well is

i dont think living well is revenge on them. they dont give a shit if we live well.
Sep 27 - 3PM (Reply to #20)
better off
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No but they love it if we

No but they love it if we don't.
Sep 27 - 12AM
kiwi10
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better off

thank you so much for taking care of me today
Sep 27 - 3PM (Reply to #18)
better off
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You deserve being taken care

You deserve being taken care of.
Sep 26 - 9PM
Susan32
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Nobody deserves a beating

A REAL man protects the vulnerable--he doesn't pick on them. Think of Ralph Macchio standing up to the bullies in "The Karate Kid." Fireflie did NOTHING that deserved a beating. NOTHING.
Sep 26 - 8PM
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sorry for not responding. i

sorry for not responding. i just had to get out of the house. i wasn't doing well at all. thank you for your responses. i don't know why i feel the way i do. i'm in psychotherapy and have a great psychologist. i think it just that ever since i was 19, i was in an abusive relationship-non stop. both of them abused me, did drugs, and abandoned me regularly. they also both cheated. my father is a good man, just completely emotionally absent and abused me physically on and off until i was about 16. not horribley, but it hurt my feelings because he never really seemed to like me or connect to me.
Sep 26 - 7PM
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I know, it's so easy to fall

I know, it's so easy to fall into the trap of thinking that we are inherently bad people and that we bring these things on ourselves. I remember feeling like that at about age 23, when I guy I really liked flaked out on me and stopped calling. I remember walking along the street thinking "maybe I'm just a really horrible person and no one would want to be with me/close to me?" I've thought it a few times since but I suppose it's only a tiny, tiny fraction of what I believe about myself. Right now I'm probably not the most convincing on this because I feel like shit myself, but it's not true. No one is inherently bad. Except maybe narcs. But there is NO WAY IN HELL we should ever take abuse from anyone, in any guise, at any time. If the assclown from when I was 23 had abused me in any way, I would have told him where to get off. But I'm just making the point that it is surprisingly easy to start feeling like this, so don't feel bad. I felt like this when the narc dumped me "oh god, I must be a horrible person, nasty to be around, intolerable to hang out with etc etc". It's not true but we have to keep reminding ourselves of that. He made me feel like a big fat scary selfish bitch who only thought of herself all the time. I HATE him for trying his projection shit on me like that. I know it's not true but that didn't stop me feeling like that at the time. However I didn't cower or beg or anything that night. I tried to initiate a discussion about why he was leaving or to get concrete examples from him of how I supposedly "didn't listen" to him. He could only come up with one. After a few minutes I just said in a disgusted voice "oh well, this is pointless" He walked to the door and said "take care" and I just shut the door in his face. It was only afterwards that I began to feel horrible and as if I was all the things he said. But at the time, I behaved like a sane person, acting disgusted and sickened with his crazy reasons for breaking up. I think that's what you need to do. Engage in the moment when stupid (or in this case, very dangerous) shit is going down and just call people out on it AT THE TIME. Don't let them do it and then go off and allow it to make you feel like crap later. I'm not sure if any of this is the slightest help to you, but my bottom line is: I know the feeling you're talking about - the way I felt walking along that street when I was 23 is the thin end of the wedge of finding yourself in the position of getting physically abused by someone.
Sep 26 - 6PM
kiwi10
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no of course they don't. but

no of course they don't. but i wasn't a child.
Sep 26 - 6PM (Reply to #11)
betty2020
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I still dont follow the

I still dont follow the logic that you deserve to be beaten? Child or not???? Im with better off. Why do you think you deserve this? Tell me in detail Fierfly. only one way to go...Forward (tm?)

only one way to go...Forward (tm?)

Sep 26 - 6PM (Reply to #12)
kiwi10
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i was so difficult to live

i was so difficult to live with. i was so jealous and demanding and he stayed with me anyway. maybe i didn't deserve the beating i don't know.
Sep 26 - 6PM (Reply to #13)
betty2020
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Thats not the details im

Thats not the details im looking for. Tell me why you feel that you are worthy of a beating from anyone? Being demanding and jealousy is not a reason. Tell me again the reason you think you deserve this? only one way to go...Forward (tm?)

only one way to go...Forward (tm?)

Sep 26 - 6PM (Reply to #2)
better off
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Okay, children don't deserve

Okay, children don't deserve beatings, we're good on that one. But you and our narc had an awful lot of daddy/little girl stuff going on, yes? And you talk about being "bad" as if you were a child, and he was an adult. Instead you are both adults, yet I perceive it that you think he is the powerful one, the adult, and you are the weaker one like a child... instead of two equal adults. Does one adult have the right to beat another adult? Is he "over" you, is he the master and you are the slave? You said "of course not." Of course not!! Of course NOT. But then you retreat into, but *I* am different and should be beaten. There is no scenario where you should be beaten. Right? So where is this coming from?? This is not coming just from the narc... something is wrong if you could think this way, this is how he got you in the first place, and why you stayed with a man who beat the living hell out of you. Would it be okay for him to kill you? If you were bad enough, I mean?
Sep 26 - 6PM (Reply to #10)
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I also just noticed that you

I also just noticed that you said HE SAYS he's never done it to anyone else. Thx Another Path for pointing that out. How many people know he's done it to you? Do you think he's going to tell his next victim he beat you half to death with a belt? Of course not. This is the guy who JOKED about raping and TORTURING a teenage girl. He probably has done it.
Sep 26 - 6PM (Reply to #3)
kiwi10
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maybe? sometimes i think

maybe? sometimes i think so!! i'm CRAZY as a lune.
Sep 26 - 6PM (Reply to #4)
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Okay, then you need some

Okay, then you need some SERIOUS SERIOUS treatment darlin. Something really bad has happened to you somewhere for this to be in your head. And I hate to say this, but you might end up like that, dead, if you don't deal with such frightening beliefs about yourself. You are a lovely lovely person, we can all see that. You deserve love and happiness, and NO ONE deserves to be beaten up and killed. HUGS
Sep 26 - 6PM (Reply to #5)
kiwi10
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i think it comes from my dad

i think it comes from my dad
Sep 26 - 6PM (Reply to #9)
AnotherPath
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I'm not writing this to be

I'm not writing this to be harsh at all..... You have to get out of the victim place. Being in the victim place keeps you stuck as a victim and does you no good, there is no healing in being a victim. When the victim thoughts come into your head brush them off and consciously replace them with thoughts of "I'm strong" I am getting through this, I am my own person, I will become financially independent and not rely on him for anything, I am separate from him, he is not in my life, my life is for me to live now.I AM A SURVIVOR.

Ending the dance

Sep 26 - 6PM (Reply to #6)
michele115 (not verified)
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Fierflie...

You might be on to something about the dad thing...we repeat patterns.
Sep 26 - 9PM (Reply to #7)
iAmMINE
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let's just See how 'skinny' this one'll git...

juz.. sayin'... just sayin' "it's time" ~ HURTS LIKE A MUTHERPHUKER, but it's time... juz sayin' it's time to stop mirrorin' & start livin'... k? .... oh goodness... did I just say that outloud ;) ((You'll BE fine, and we'll BE here... ;)) ~~~ Keep Learning & Keep Healing ~~~ ~~~~~ The best revenge is to survive and be victorious over it. Nobody can take from you what you don't give them, --she said, (taken from my final remarks in a Sync Weekly Magazine article about my art and mySelf

~~~ Keep Learning & Keep Healing ~~~

~~~~~ The best revenge is to survive and be victorious over it. Nobody can take from you what you don't give them.

Sep 27 - 12AM (Reply to #8)
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fireflie...

pull up your bootstraps & move on. Mine wasn't physical--but it probably a matter of time. And I didn't want my daughter to see the yelling--let alone a smack. The best "revenge" is your happiness-which you can have. He never will. Be strong. we need powerful women.