exN and possible OW...

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#1 Jun 10 - 8AM
hryan77
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exN and possible OW...

A guy I work with knows my exN...yesterday his wife ran into him with the possible OW...from the sounds of the description and what she thought the name was, it could be a girl he works with. I had my suspicions about him and her after a text I saw last summer...but he claimed he couldn't stand her and that she was screwing another cop.
Guess he introduced the possible OW as a "friend"...I've met her...she's trash, she's short and well larger also...she is similar to the other girls he cheated with...I'm 5'9, thin, etc...well educated, smart as hell...this chick is a dispatcher.
His ex wife and I both have Master Degrees, we are both a hell of a lot smarter than he is...he seems to cheat with less intelligent women...,either way, wtf was he doing with me...I knew I never did it for him, he always had ED issues...it tore me apart self-esteem wise. His stuff works...hell he has 3 kids.

This just made an already hard week worse...I'm falling apart...I knew he didn't love me I have accepted that...my mind is such a mess I can't think straight.

Jun 10 - 7PM
hryan77
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and....

and at least i don't have to live wondering when i'll hear from him again...he went from angry and provoking to silent...I realize now he's one of the ones that will just fall silent and disappear forever. While that should make me feel better it just makes it all the more painful.
Jun 10 - 6PM
hryan77
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thank you to everyone

I just wanted to say thank you to everyone...i'm still a wreck, I don't know what it will take... he's happy, doesn't care what he lost...it just kills me, I was replaced long before I left. he knows it will get back to me and I'm sure he is beyond amused and happy about that...i don't know why i can't just get to the point where i'm like screw him, his loss, he'll never do better...his narc ass can rot in hell...I'm so much better than what I've been reduced to.
Jun 10 - 1PM
jen79
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Oh sweetie, easy answer

Cause she is trash, thats why no ED, you smart, intelligent tall, pretty = ED. In your case I would say so. He doesnt get him up, cause you are too good for him, and feels inferior in front of you. With a "whore" in his eyes, it works again, she is inferior in his eyes, its all about power and control with them. Mine was all over me in the beginning, until I found out why, I was the whore, worthless in his eyes, as soon as he realized "I am a good girl" - ED. My self esteem went down the hills. Please dont take this personally, their inner world is so twisted, its all crazy.
Jun 10 - 1PM (Reply to #20)
hryan77
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jen

mine used to be all over me...I guess even at the end...always grabbing me, wanting to be close (well unless he was shutting me out), grabbing my butt squeezing me...but when it came down to it, "it" rarely worked. Then I find out by his own admission he likes bubble butts...a la Jessica Biel...I have a flat irish ass...so does he for that matter. I would say so and so on tv was hot and he'd flip and say why are you with me, I don't look like them...I can't think of too many women he didn't find hot...never once was I like what are you doing with me...I would tell him, ok well sorry but I'm me and I don't want to be anyone else...I'd say I wanted to build more muscle or perk up my butt but that was it.... He had this weird thing where he really didn't even like being naked...he'd make a big deal if he laid in bed naked with me...he wouldn't even drop the towel after getting out of the shower to put on underwear...he'd put on the underwear under the towel...even if he was alone....WTF
Jun 10 - 4PM (Reply to #23)
jen79
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I know this

Mine had the same thing with being naked, I never really got this, cause he isnt the shy guy, I even had to ask him to remove clothes for sex, he would just opened his trousers. Listen they give everyone the feeling to not be enough. They will find your weak spot, if its not beauty, then it would be carrier, if this trash woman comes to close to him and GOD FORBID, turns out to have soul with feelings, who expects to be treated with respect and care, or even worse she demands anything from him, then he will start to make her feel less than. In her case, carrier. No matter what you do, its not enough!
Jun 10 - 1PM (Reply to #21)
Deidre40
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Imagine if the problem was?

Imagine if the problem was? You needed to be a man. :D Oh I'm funny. {{hugs}} you'll get through this. You'll question your worth. You'll question a lot of things. But, keep reading...and reading. Eventually...one day, the fog lifts. You stop questioning. You find yourself again. You find your true friends again. You find another man, again. You find and find and find. But, right now...you're still in the fog he's created. He's truly not worth your energy or time--and IN TIME, you'll see that. Have a nice weekend.
Jun 10 - 7PM (Reply to #22)
Susan32
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You're right!!!

I think in my own personal case, your "imagine if the problem was? You needed to be a man" FITS EXACTLY. The ex-Psych prof hated being called by his first name... he hated calling others by their first names (that included his girlfriend/wife)... the ONLY person he called by his first name... was HIS FATHER. (His father has the same first name as my brother in-law, yes, I have taken full advantage of that, milking it like a cow during calving season) The ex-P's relationship with an openly gay fellow prof didn't work out. In the end, I was D&D'd for his masculine girlfriend, who was practically his clone. She had a crew cut like him, wore dark clothes like him, she dressed in a very butch way. I think he REALLY wanted a man. He wanted a woman to be his surrogate father... a taller order than ladies here who've been expected to be surrogate mothers(!!!) His girlfriend wasn't an ugly Quasimodo. She was a curator; frankly, I admired her. I wasn't replaced with a bimbo, someone to look down on. He lacked the honesty to come out as gay or bisexual... no, he had to enter one of those faux marriages, and who knows, maybe his girlfriend was fine with it. There were times when the ex-P honestly wished I was a lesbian, because I wouldn't have looked to him for emotional/sexual fulfillment. He wanted a partner who wouldn't "need" him. And a lesbian wouldn't be interested in him.
Jun 10 - 10AM
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sorry hun

it rrally sucks and does not make any sense As a general rule I have come to realise that if my N slagged a woman off, like she was in his view unattractive, unsexy, trashy, vulgar etc... he was probably shagging her... at least two that I came to find out about that's a lot of women then and I can tell you that many of them are real proper quasimodos. very old, very ugly, very very fat,some disabled and paralysed from the waist down,.... a lovely collection of women that he could control and dominate and who would of course see him as a a gift from god for even looking at them...until he would dispose of them like trash and move on In the meantime, he would tell me that I was perfect, beautiful etc.....that we made such a beautiful couple.... Sick....but again, not making any sense is the narc's world.... Hang on in there Dx
Jun 10 - 10AM
ShaynasMommy
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Hey Hyran77

I am with others here on the ED thing. In my health education studies I have learned that men with ED have it mostly for physiological reasons, i.e. stress, smoking, drugs, poor diet, other medical problems, etc. If its not any of these, then it is mental problems. Sicne I assume you have determined this guy to be mental, like everyone elses exN on here, then its defintitely HIS fault, not yours. Here's what I think. I think he had been deathly afraid of you and how awesome/accomplished you are. He was secretly afraid of you finding out his secrets and his true nature. What weenie wouldn't go limp over that? He feels more comfortable with downgrading because he doesn't have to pretend so much and work so hard to impress her. I would try not to worry about her so much, as she will probably get D&D'd much worse and much faster than you did. Hope this helps. I hate to be crude, but now you will be free to find someone who can keep a total hard-on for you, and feel no shame/fear over it because he knows he deserves you!!!!
Jun 10 - 10AM (Reply to #17)
hryan77
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ShaynasMommy

we went to hs together...he admitted when we met up again he was scared of his own shadow...said that he was scared of me, but felt that I was scared of him too....ya I wasn't. Said that he always felt I was out of his league. Got pissed when I saw the one OW he cheated with and said yup she was more in his league and to have at it...repeated that again a few months later and he just laughed and said "you're funny". From what I can gather he cheated on his ex-wife with girls from work and perhaps this one too...that is IF this girl is who I think she is....either way. and no that isn't crude...I've never had someone have that problem with me...ok maybe that's crude, but it totally destroyed me.
Jun 10 - 10AM
Deidre40
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First--hugs!!! So sorry

First--hugs!!! So sorry you're suffering today. Second...ever wonder why arnold schwarzenneger (sp? lol) banged the maid when he had a beautiful, intelligent wife? Therein lies your answer as to why yours goes down. Not trying to be mean...but, also look at Tiger Woods. Had a hottie for a wife. But, he kept slumming with porn stars and strippers. No offense to strippers/porn stars...but, c'mon. These men want to feel they are on top. That they are the smarter and more accomplished ones...so they go down. Trust me. That's what it is. Third--could be why he had ED with you. You intimidated him. Fourth--and most important maybe. Tell people you don't want to hear about this jerk anymore. It only sets you back. I had to do this with a friend who kept sharing info with me the narc was saying about me on FB. So...do yourself a favor, and kindly ask those around you to not tell you about his whereabouts, etc anymore. Fifth--have a better weekend. It will get better. I promise. :=)
Jun 10 - 10AM (Reply to #15)
hryan77
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Deidre40

yes I do definitely think about that...why those men you mention went slumming...have to say I laughed at the "no offense to strippers/porn stars" comment....:) In the end Tiger got his right, lost his beautiful wife and a ton of money....Arnold is getting his too...John Edwards is getting his, and so will Weiner. My exN had everything...a beautiful, smart, caring, loving woman, who let him destroy her at his gain...I loved him, loved his children, took care of every need, did everything...only thing I didn't do right I guess was believe his lies, run off see a fertility specialist after a few months and marry him. HE lost the best thing he ever could of had and for what...I hope karma gets his ass bad...he already lost his wife, the right to see his kids whenever he wants. He had all sorts of excuses for his ED...bad views about sex due to his ex wife, then he had a prostate infection (that was legit), then well it continued... That fucker deserves to be alone and that was the last thing I said to him the night of the d & d.... He knows that it will get back to me that he was seen out with whoever this chick was...whether is the trashy dispatcher he works with or some other trashy girl...but in the words of the guys wife "wow she wasn't someone I figured he'd be with...didn't figure that was his type"...so yeah that says a lot. Part of me wants to laugh, the rest wants to cry...stupid pathetic piece of shit...and I mean him. I know deep down he'll never feel he lost anything...that is what kills me...I loved him to the point of self destruction. I would have stuck by him until it killed me...I guess that's the real problem huh. I just want that piece of shit to get his.
Jun 10 - 9AM
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Read Michele115's Blog about

Read Michele115's Blog about Quasimodo http://www.lisaescott.com/2011/06/01/when-narcissist-dds-and-takes-quasimodo
Jun 10 - 8AM
spinning
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Hr, I could just scream

at the pain and destruction these DISORDERED FREAKS cause. Ugh. The disordered one I was involved with was a cop, too. Puke!!! I, also, was way above him class-wise. So are you. He's going back down to his level. Also, tenderheart, they HAVE ED ISSUES because they're NARCS. It has nothing to do with YOU! Trust me on that one...there have been dozens of threads here on the subject! You could be Heidi Klum, Cindy Crawford, Penelope Cruz, etc. etc. and they will still have ED ISSUES! This hurts like hell and you don't deserve it. Try to shift the focus one minute at a time. Every time a thought of him crops up say "who cares what he's doing and with whom...it's all about me now." I dismiss my obsessive thoughts with "whatever. He's history" and it works. Chin up, girl! You're in the throes of CD and early NC fog. It will get better. He will continue to cycle through low class chick after low class chick. YOu will move on and be happy. I just know it. Love and light to you and good vibes for strength and peace of mind from (not) spinning. NO LONGER AN OPTION. I REFUSE ALL CHAOS, DESTRUCTION AND DISORDERED PIGS WHO BELONG IN THE BARNYARD, NOT IN MY HOUSE!

spinning

Jun 10 - 9AM (Reply to #8)
hryan77
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spinning

I can't sort anything out...I do know this is CD big time...then I think about the madonna/whore stuff I've seen...could it be that some how that's what it is... he'd say I was the most beautiful woman I've ever seen, that I was perfect (even though I'd say no I'm flawed like every person)...but the people he cheats with are trash....so low. His wife was cute when we were in high school, a teacher, has a Masters in education made more money than he did...she gained weight with him...a lot, but also had three kids. He cheated on her with girls at work.....although he denied it. I'm well educated, I don't make shit for money though, have a BA, MS, and have taken course work in just about everything else because I like learning and can't pick a career path..hahaha, I got beyond tiny with him...like size 0 tiny. He cheated on me... I'm so lost, so so so deep in a fog...and stupid me I vent to an ex who has N tendencies and shocking I feel worse...I'm a train wreck
Jun 10 - 9AM (Reply to #10)
hryan77
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ugh

so I never finished my madonna/whore thought... what if the ED issues were with me...cause I dunno fit the madonna type...like above him. and ED issues aren't with the whore types...the ones beneath or on his level... if that makes sense...again sorry I'm a mess
Jun 10 - 1PM (Reply to #12)
Deidre40
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Give yourself time. You will

Give yourself time. You will go through stages of rage, sadness, despair...all of it. But, trust me. You will get over this man. You will get past all he did. You will see him for the little man he is, and maybe even find pity for him. But, for now...ride through these feelings. They're normal. I wish a magic wand could be waved to remove them all, but you have to go through them all to get to a better place. That's all I really have to say today. I have had ups and downs with this--today, is an up day. Hopefully...he will become a distant memory, soon for me. I don't feel the way you do, though...I never did. He didn't have another woman. He was just an asshole. :P
Jun 10 - 11AM (Reply to #11)
Bitter-sweet
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madonna/ whore

Please believe the ED issues are not with you. My N had ED issues when I first dated him. We were both aged 20 then. I couldn't understand it. I was very slim and very young. We had a lot in common and were both at uni at the time. This was 25 years ago when there was no information on Ns. I thought he was just inexperienced and shy. Now I realise that there must have been other issues even then. He tracked me down 25 years later. There were no ED issues this time but I was surprised that, more or less straight away, he was suggesting kinky and frankly degrading sex. So I seem to have been seen in both the madonna and whore roles. I'm older now but still very slim and considered intelligent- though I really don't think any of that mattered much to him. A lot of these men are very odd sexually and we will never understand why they behave as they do. In both roles, I came away feeling the same. I felt bewildered and and somehow inadequate... but what I've learnt is that it is him who is inadequate, not me. The early stages of recovery are very hard but I'm sure there is a good man out there for you. One who will love and respect you. Whether the N can successfully have sex with a woman or not, he will never love or respect her. There is no happiness to be had in either role.
Jun 10 - 9AM (Reply to #9)
hryan77
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ugh

so I never finished my madonna/whore thought... what if the ED issues were with me...cause I dunno fit the madonna type...like above him. and ED issues aren't with the whore types...the ones beneath or on his level... if that makes sense...again sorry I'm a mess
Jun 10 - 8AM
SoaperGirl
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Tall and Thin - cant' seem to for losing

I am short and not definitely not thin and not trashy! Wow! How much I'd love to be 5'9" and thin...but I guess just goes to show, no matter who and what you are - these narcs always seem to make you feel as less than you are. My narc with the OW before me didn't like it that she insistded he quit smoking, I accepted him as he was, the new OW has standards he has to meet including stopping smoking. Sometimes, it seems you can't win for losing with a narc. Nothing is ever good enough for them.
Jun 10 - 8AM (Reply to #4)
hryan77
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soaper

haha...I got so thin with him...he destroyed my self-esteem...i don't fit with any of the OWs...none of them. I'm so lost and confused. I did everything, he's claim I was everything...everything he ever wanted...he had it all, except that i questioned him I feel like such a nothing, useless, worthless...
Jun 10 - 10AM (Reply to #5)
SoaperGirl
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I'm taking my power and soul back hryan77

Found a great page that's giving me an idea - I'm going to use powerful thoughts to defeat him. The bastard is going down! You are not nothing, useuless and worthless - the narcs are! Yeah, I get down every once in a while, but you can bet there will come a point, I get up, dust myself, rethink things and come up a plan. This page just helped me a lot! http://www.narcissismfree.com/art_aftermath-of-abuse.php The Aftermath of Abuse! Why Won't That Feeling Go Away? narcissistic abuse aftermathWhat is it? That feeling that stays with us after falling in love with a narcissist? He held such promise, in the beginning. He was the love of our life, the ONE. But soon hope and expectation gave way to betrayal and disappointment that also brings with it a feeling of hopelessness, despair, extreme grief. Most of us get through the initial trauma of a break-up with a narcissistic or emotionally abusive personality, however the feeling of connection persists, long after the partner is gone. We can so easily fool ourselves into believing it is LOVE. We just can’t get over that person. Why? Because he or she has penetrated your boundaries, come right into your psychic space and wreaked havoc in your mental, emotional and psychic life. When I speak of psychic I am speaking of the energy field around your physical body. It is the field that contains your emotional body, your pain body and your spiritual body. This is energy you can feel but you can’t see. It is invisible, yet powerful. As long as the perpetrator is still lingering in your energy field you will find yourself obsessed with thoughts about him/her and feel a constant drain on your energy. The question most people I work with have is “how do I get rid of this feeling?" How can I get him/her out of my head?” When dealing with a psychic perpetrator you will have very small results with traditional methods of psychotherapy or medicine. This is a psychic issue and it needs to be approached on a psychic level. Some people may not believe in psychic phenomenon. You don’t have to believe in psychics in order to understand what I am talking about. You have to understand what psychic energy is, in order to embrace a new way of dealing with the confused world you are living in as a result of psychic abuse. It may seem, on the outside, that we are all separate beings, living our own individual lives. But this simply is not the way it is. We are all connected through an invisible Web. It can be somewhat like living in a fantasy world; an imaginary reality. We can picture ourselves living with elves, fairies and goblins, those who are blessings in our lives and those who seem to be hell bent on destroying it. In movies like “Lord of the Rings” and “Starwars” there is a powerful play between the darkness and the light. The forces of light battle between the forces of darkness to save the world. In a sense we find ourselves in this same kind of battle where we are really setting out to save ourselves. It seems the forces of darkness penetrate our reality and feed on our life force energy. These are the predators, the psychic vampires, the parasites that hook into us on a psychic emotional level and stay hooked in until we actively do something about it. The question most have is “what do I do about it?” There is often a feeling of hopelessness, feeling as if we are destined to live this life, a shell of our former selves. But this is not true. You don’t have to stay in this place! You can get out! What you have to realize is the power that you truly have to overcome. You have access to the power of the light! Call it the God force, the angels, or whatever else you want to call it, but it is at your disposal. Just as the hero’s of the movies I talked about have the light on their side, so do you. You can allow the darkness to swallow you, or you can stand up and start fighting for what is rightfully yours! This is not about fighting for material possessions but rather your very soul. Sometimes it seems we have sold our soul to the devil in exchange for the promise of love. But then we are betrayed. We have lost our souls and never did receive that love we were promised. So, in a sense, we must go to battle for that which we have given away! Our soul. Our soul contains our power for living. It is who we are! It is our essence, that part of us that is eternal, connected to God, connected to all of life! We are not our bodies, as one will realize when their soul comes up missing. There is an emptiness, a feeling as if the lights are on but nobody is home. We feel more as if we are vicariously living the life of our abuser than we are living our own. And in many ways it feels as if our abuser has taken our life. What a trade! How do we get ourselves back? We call ourselves back! We command that the person who has taken our soul return it to us, not on a physical level, but on a psychic level. We must find our voice, our authority and command out loud “___________, I command that you return to me my soul and my power NOW!” Continue to repeat that statement day in and day out until you begin to feel your power returning. Whenever you hear the abuser in your head, say “I want you to get out of my head and leave my psychic space NOW!” “Go Away” “Leave me alone!” Talk to this energy as if the body was still right there with you. Evict it from your life! Let it know it can no longer feed off you. Let it know it is no longer welcome in your energy field. Be strong and persistent. You are only as weak as you believe you are. Change your beliefs. Remember who you are! You are as powerful as you believe you are! So choose to believe in your power. Choose to acknowledge that you have the help of the light force. You must know that your thoughts are very powerful. If you continue to entertain thoughts of defeat, you will be defeated. However if you intervene when you find yourself thinking thoughts that are not productive, you can evict those thoughts and replace them with thoughts that build who you are rather than destroy. When you continue to reinforce that this person in your life has stolen your life, your power, your friends, your house, your children, or whatever else, you continue to create that reality for yourself. Thoughts are energy, and very powerful. You must carefully police your thoughts and turn your focus to what you want to create in your life. It must be a creation that is for you, not against your abuser or anyone else. The energy of hatred is a destructive force in the universe and when you put it out, this is what you get back. So you must learn to have strong boundaries around you that protect you from invasion and enforce those boundaries with the power of love, rather than the energy of hatred. The act of having inner authority is an act of love. It is love for yourself and you must be able to love yourself as much as you would love anyone. To love yourself means to be strong in yourself, to have strong boundaries and to not allow intrusion from those who don’t have your best interest at heart. If someone has betrayed you or treated you poorly, you have the right to close the door on them. They are no longer welcome in your life. It doesn’t mean you have to hate them. It only means that you love yourself enough to protect yourself from harm, and that person has proven himself or herself to be untrustworthy and harmful to you. It is like a story I often tell of the rattlesnake. If you get too close to a rattlesnake it can very well bit you, because it is his nature to do so. You don’t hate the snake but rather take extreme caution around it and don’t get too close. Call yourself back! Call back your soul! Call back your power! Call back what is yours by divine right! Your abuser has NO power except that which you give him/her. It is through the process of continuing to give our power away that we become powerless. You can turn it around starting right now! Call yourself back! Command that your abuser release you back to yourself. You are the Queen/King of your own Kingdom. You must remember this and step back into your castle, have your (imaginary) guardians remove the abuser from your throne and take it back! Imagine this all taking place as if you were writing a story! See it unfold in a beautiful way, as if it was the end of a movie where the hero of the story finally wins and the light is restored to the land. If your abuser has succeeded in taking over your kingdom, your social group, your friends, your home, or whatever else, you must for a time, walk away, cut the ties and get your power back. Friends that can be bought are not really friends at all. It is good you can learn this now. In time your true friends will surface and in time, the true identity of your abuser will be discovered. It must be enough for you to know this now. Trust in the process of life and the balancing of the karmic scales. What comes around does go around. I put up this statement on my Website because it is a very wise and true statement: A greedy back-biting wicked person will always perish in the process of causing harm to others. Doesn't the moth get burnt in the over-ambitious attempt to swallow up the flame? Vishvagunadarsha What lies in the dark is always exposed eventually. The true self will eventually emerge in all of us. The sooner you get your power back the sooner the cards will fall into their proper places. As long as your abuser continues to feed off your power on a psychic level, you will continue to perceive him/her as having all the good while you have all the bad. Once you get yourself back, you will be returned to your rightful place and so will he. You must know this for yourself and trust this. You don’t have to see physical evidence that he has lost power in his life. You may not see it! It has to be enough for you to know it! One who hides and pretends invests a tremendous amount of energy keeping up appearances, but you know how that is. You had the privilege of seeing his inner world, when it wasn’t so pretty. Deep down, you know the truth of his/her existence. You know that all is not as it seems. You know appearances can be deceptive. You know the truth! Trust what you know! The material world in itself is deceptive! The world that really counts is the inner world of the psyche. This is where we truly live, breathe and have our being. This is where we are connected with the God force of life. Life will always bring us distractions that take us further and further from ourselves. Yet knowing oneself is the highest accomplishment in this earthly reality. The sooner we recognize that all is never as it seems not only with the abuser in our lives but with the world in general, we can begin to see that every step closer to ourselves is a step in success. It doesn’t matter how we appear to the outside world. What matters is our connection with our own true selves. From this powerful connection comes an authentic way of being in the world. We are true to ourselves, we know ourselves and we know others. When we know ourselves we have the ability to see others in ways we have not seen them in the past. The truth is always revealed to those who have learned to see. Your focus really needs to be on the emergence of your own self. This is where your power is! This is where you will shine! This is where you will find your purpose for living! Kaleah
Jun 10 - 11AM (Reply to #6)
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This is great!

Thanks for posting it. I think we could all use this today.
Jun 10 - 10AM
SoaperGirl
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Tall and Thin - can't seem to win for losing

I am short and not definitely not thin and not trashy! Wow! How much I'd love to be 5'9" and thin...but I guess just goes to show, no matter who and what you are - these narcs always seem to make you feel as less than you are. My narc with the OW before me didn't like it that she insistded he quit smoking, I accepted him as he was, the new OW has standards he has to meet including stopping smoking. Sometimes, it seems you can't win for losing with a narc. Nothing is ever good enough for them.
Jun 10 - 8AM
BadaBing
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hryan

I am sorry you are having a hard time, me too recently! There is no making sense of supply seeking people. You were supply, the OW is supply - it's all about HIM. The longer you stay away, the longer NC, the better, time does heal. be strong