An excerpt from "Smart Women Foolish Choices"

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#1 Jul 8 - 3PM
NinjaGirl
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An excerpt from "Smart Women Foolish Choices"

It's another really good book. I ordered it at the same time I ordered Lisa's book. It talks about why we go for the wrong guys, how to stop doing that, etc. But I really like this passage:

"But it's crucial for a woman to realize that she was not simply a respondent in the relationship, but half of the reason for the chemistry. Without her, the magic would not have existed.

We find that far too many women forget the real importance of cause and effect in the interactive process of a relationship. They lose contact with their own sense of personal power, particularly when they feel powerless to make the man want to stay. They may confuse that temporary sense of power loss with a more long-term and crippling feeling of powerlessness.

A man may leave, but he can't take a woman with him. She and she alone is the owner of her personal worth and essence. No one, not the most clever or most dark-hearted of men, can steal that. It can only be given away."

When I read that part, I cried. And I read it again, and I cried again. Because it's so very true. And it really helped empower me. I am in control of my mind, my actions, and my future. And so are you.

Uh, in control of YOURS, I mean. Not mine. ;) Duh.

Jul 9 - 2PM
Briseis
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That is so profound. We

That is so profound. We forget that we are active participants and become pure victims. We forget we are powerful beings with ownership of our lives. I tell you what, that's exactly what it feels like! Total loss of power, just keeping your head down so you can get through another day. It feels like the N "owns" us, has us hostage. They really don't, it's not possible. It just feels like it, but that's really all that matters when you're feeling it :( I'm pretty much on the other side of this, I've been in that wretchedly miserable "newbie" stage. I wasn't near as brave as most of you here who dare to reach for help while still 'in". I was too ashamed and stubborn and my relationship was "unique" lol. What it looks like to me, as a person who has reclaimed a lot of her ownership and power is that a shift in your thinking and attitude needs to happen. Realizing the TRUTH. The victimhood is the lie. It is a reality at the time, but it is not TRUE. It is a lie that happens, though. When you have a Narc that close to you, influencing you, it looks absolutely true. But that's just when you are around the Narc. And still "believing" the Narc's bullshit even when he/she is not there, they are in your head like a parasite. How to get them out? No contact and time and persistence. Falling down on your face and getting back up anyway. Therapy, and being on here as often as you need :) The Narc bullshit is a disease, and if you take measures, your mind and body will rid itself of the disease, like it does when you get a real infection. You reinfect yourself with contact or focussing on them. The addiction metaphor is perfect too. If you "relapse" you set yourself back days or weeks, so preventing a relapse, resisting the relapse in whatever way you have to is what you have to do. There IS life after what feels like complete destruction by a narc or psychopath. It isn't the same life. You may be like me, and never financially recover what I lost, or you may have lost a child's heart, or a career even. These are realities. But the human spirit is not defeated by these things. That's where your power is. It's there no matter what he did to you, for how long or how bad. Finding your spirit again is what WILL happen if you keep putting one foot in front of the other. Yeah I know I go on and on :P but this is so close to my heart, I just want to shout it sometimes :)
Jul 9 - 1PM
Steph
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Love this

"A man may leave, but he can't take a woman with him. She and she alone is the owner of her personal worth and essence. No one, not the most clever or most dark-hearted of men, can steal that. It can only be given away" thanks for sharing:)
Jul 9 - 12PM
smileyfacepr
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hey

I love it!!! and so true!! Thank u for reminding me!!

smileyfacepr

Jul 9 - 2AM
Lisa E. Scott
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Ninjagirl

Wow, I love this: "A man may leave, but he can't take a woman with him. She and she alone is the owner of her personal worth and essence. No one, not the most clever or most dark-hearted of men, can steal that. It can only be given away." "I am in control of my mind, my actions, and my future. And so are you." So true! Thanks for sharing your invaluable insight!
Jul 8 - 9PM
Bodhi
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Thanks NG

This is a very important message for all of us chicks on this site to remember!!
Jul 8 - 6PM
lynn61
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ninjagirl excerpt

Excellent passage and absolutely crucial if we are to move on in a healthy way! Thanks for sharing that, i wholeheartedly agree and do not plan on giving it away in the future :-)

really??

Jul 8 - 6PM
Scoop
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I love this , i have to

I love this , i have to still remind myself that i was half of a relationship , although ,when he wanted ,he made out i was the whole relationship and he just an inocent by stander . i take away with me the fact that i did love and i did give and i can give . wow that is a gift .You know i have learnt i can give even if it hurts me , Im not a bible person but if there is a god i recon he would be pleased with me , people say you can have too much empathy and in this hard world thats a bad thing , you will be taken advantage of ....bollocks to that .. im proud of my empathy and if i have too much thats a good thing . I was thinking today about times when i had to tell my narc how to react to things that required the right responce , like i would a child i talked him through the event and found i had to expane how this person would feel and that person would feel and the out come would be this and youre respone should be this ... and it dawned on me that he had no concept of emotion , i had to teach him how to "act" like he empathised . I remember seeing in his face a look of being reminded , simalar to someone who just asked directions to somewhere and they just twigged they knew already "oh yes i remember , shhhh shhh i remember " He knew the look and the words of the emotional responce but never knew the sentement behind it .... so creepy ...sorry i went off on a tangent then , excellent passage ninja...Big Love xx
Jul 9 - 2PM (Reply to #4)
almostlydia
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I debated that - about

I debated that - about whether I would rather be an empathetic person in a world of monsters or an a**hole who could not be hurt but lived in a world of fear. Once i put it like that I decided 'it IS better to have loved and lost, then to never have loved at all'. I am however trying to develop a slightly thicker skin now so as to not have 'my kindness taken for a weakness'. Believe it or not that was one of the things my 'disordered' one used to say all the time. (love that - my disordered one). Oh, and I had to remind mine that his uncle had just lost his wife of 50 yrs and had every right not to be joining in all the enjoyment he was having with all his relatives even if he did think his aunt was a b*tch. He got a funny look on his face too as if he had just been caught without a soul.

almostlydia

Jul 8 - 6PM (Reply to #3)
hitandrun
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Thank you, Ninja Girl!

I really needed to read what you posted tonight...I'm wiggin' out a bit about court because I do not want to see him. I am giving him power and it is not necessary. Have no idea if I have to or not, and won't know until tomorrow. So I need to chill. Now I need to heed your advice about exercise : ) 40lbs down, 40 lbs to go. I've always been a woman with curves, but when I was with the Disordered One, I found myself binging.That is not normal behavior for me. Hedonistic eating, yes. Comfort eating, yes. BINGING? No. Makes since to me now. Love your posts.
Jul 8 - 6PM (Reply to #2)
Susan32
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Explaining emotions

I found it very weird with my ex-Psychopath professor. You had to explain emotions to your ex-N, the same here. In my freshman year, here I was, 15 years his junior, EXPLAINING to a man in his early 30s basic human emotions. The concepts of empathy, embarrassment,sadness--he didn't get it. I'd explain, and the eyes were vacant. It didn't "click" when I told him that it was hurtful when he told me to "toughen up" right after my grandfather's death. No wonder he said his parents took him to the local mental hospital because he lacked emotions, and it freaked them out. What's weird (and sad), is that my ex-P gave good advice about "relationships" with Ns/Ps- Don't take what they say personally. Keep your distance. Glad I didn't marry the guy and have to explain emotions to him(!!!)