Discovery....after initial idealization, I was the one who was doing the pursuing

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#1 Jun 2 - 10PM
TNR1
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Discovery....after initial idealization, I was the one who was doing the pursuing

I have begun to journal out everything and it has been a tough thing. Tougher still is to realize that after the initial "idealization", I am the one who did most (ok, ALL) the pursuing. I would randomly text him to see if he was ok, all under the guise of trying to figure out what was going on. I thankfully did a little journaling while we were seeing each other and there is page after page of me texting him, worrying about him and whether he would return and then a few days or weeks later, I'd get a text or phone call (relief). This happened for months, and as it progressed, I see a trend that it took longer and longer between replies. My therapist has told me that that is what N's do, they don't really "end" it...but they distance themselves more and more. In any event, as you can imagine, this was a disappointing revelation but also explains why NC has been SO hard. I just thought I'd share and see if anyone else had a similiar experience.

Jun 6 - 5PM
Carolyn
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They like the attention of

They like the attention of being pursued while most males claim they like doing the pursuing. The obsessive thoughts about him are common for women mixed up with a narcissit. They don't really have any relationship substance just contact. When they start to distance it is confusing and the confusion triggers the obsessive thinking, texting etc. You got into a relationship with a man who is emotionally shallow and you were just trying to find out who he was, where he was, and what was happening. It is like the holographs at Disney they look real but are only projections. Journaling at least gave some substance to the involvement. At least you knew you were there. The body chemistry of being involved with something so confusing is cortisol and adrenaline. This can make you gain weight, feel depressed, and can make you physically ill; try to do no contact mentally, physically, and emotionally. He was never really there-he was around and about-but never really present in the relationship.
Jun 3 - 6PM
broken23
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In the beginning, it was

In the beginning, it was great, showered with attention, phone calls, presents, massages, poetry, love letters, favorite foods, nice places, nice to my friends etc. About 6 months into it he started showing his true colors. The vagueness, the unaccountability, being mean...etc etc. (there was OW, multiple which i know now). During this phase, god i constantly remember waiting by the phone, not knowing where he was, feeling like a idiot in front of his friends because it looked like im checking up on him...worry worry worry...never knowing the status of where things are. then when the OW's ended...the showering of attention phase started again and it automatically went from him being cold and mean to you know i always have loved you, it will always be you...blah blah. round 2 started...like clockwork 6 months later...the distancing began again...days going by where he was unaccountable for, weekends where he was mia. excuses.. the phone fell into the toilet, the battery died, b.s. b.s. and more b.s. and if i dare question further...anger. if i cry...i brought it upon myself and further isolation. like your therapist said he never ended it...god countless times i said "is there someone else" or "are you not happy". this ticks me off the most because not only did i say that i suggested lets end things so many times...but no i was the one...yeah the one who was convinient! not until he was done using my money and resources and had the next one 100% lined up did he pull his bullshit act...and then blamed me for not being there and decided to leave. ughhhh
Jun 2 - 11PM
ACgirl
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We have all shared this experience, unfortunately

I didn't realize until you wrote it that my N did the same thing. I have been with him for about 5 years. At one point, we were in a committed relationship, however, (there is always a "however" when it comes to Ns) he did have OW on the side, but he barely saw her. He kept her on the back burner. I know this because I was always with him, but he was texting her and distancing himself from her. Then, he and I broke up and he went back to her for about 4 weeks but started calling me up again saying he loved me. This went on for about 4 months, then he said he was soooooo in love with me. But wait, there's more. So he meets yet another woman, and now she is in first position, and he is distancing himself from me. At one point I didn't see him for about 3 months, but I would still get the stupid texting from him saying he missed me and was thinking of me, etc. BS, BS. Then he started up again in March with me saying he loved me and didn't want to loose me. I told him that I wouldn't see him again unless he was COMPLETELY here for me and ONLY me. He said okay and broke it off with the most recent bimbo. So then, I saw him on May 2nd but he seemed very distant and was saying stuff like..."Well, if we hook up again". And I'm thinking....gee, I thought we ARE hooking up again. So we didn't kiss or anything on that date. Four days later I call him and his phone is off which meant he was flying to another state to see the recent bimbo I thought he broke it off with. When I called him crying about it, he got pissed and said he was "sick of this" and all that. My mother is also ill and he knew that was also why I was crying. But he D&d'd me. What a jerk. He turned his back on me when I needed him the most. So yes, they do distance themselves, that is for sure. But my N seemed to end it (but he has ended it before as well with other D&D's.) So who knows if he will call me again. He lied to me and I called him on it. But, I hear that Ns will call again when they need the supply. My N really distanced himself from me Since September of this year when he found this new bimbo, but he still didn't want to let go of me completely so I would get the stupid text messages from time to time to keep me hooked. My gut tells me he will come back to me when he realizes this new bimbo is no good. I am going through a lot of heartbreak now and a lot of crying. But in my heart I am glad to know the truth that this man was IN FACT an Narc. So, be grateful that you know. I understand the hurt and the pain, but it is better to feel the pain now so that future happiness can begin for you. You are not alone. Thank God we have each other to talk to. Ns are all the same. The more you read the more you will see that we have all gone through this BS. But we will be free of it someday. God Bless.
Jun 3 - 9AM (Reply to #5)
wallaby (not verified)
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Distancing

As B says - they ALL seem to do it - in different ways. AC girl is the typical multiple women juggling act- he is always at some stage of distancing and pursuit with all 3, 4, hell 15 of them. My exNH, after an attentive and display of energy and effort during courtship (never to be seen again), "left" within days of marriage. I stayed married for ten years - and he simply retreated to god knows where in his mind and never made an effort on our relationship again. Never, Even before a divorce he said he didn't want -still couldn't actually take the well meaning counselor's advice to make time for a "movie night" once a week. PALEEEZ. Apparently he was too busy NOT making money and goofing around in the garage and taking bike rides to plan for a movie night. Stingy witholding jerk My last N- he outrageously pursued me relentlessly in the beginning (say first three months)- non-stop calls from ALL over the world (one from freaking Russia), daily emails, presents arriving constantly at my doorstep (love-bombing I think it's called). When I asked the brakes be put on as he was married and phone sex was making me feel guilty and uncomfortable- he still kept up the pursuit in a more measured way (every three day emails calls, presents once a month etc). It all changed KABOOM as soon as he got me to fly across country to see him. Then he knew he HAD me and the distancing started. Then I got clingy as I was so confused - I definitely, like you, pursued him (i.e. initiated contact as you suggested..under the guise of checking in but really just to relieve my anxiety that he had dumped me) and then he called me "needy" and "codependant" and criticized me terribly. From that point on, whenever I distanced myself from him due to the the agony of not getting responses or call backs from him, from obsessing about him, from feeling I was being a "pest" etc - well then once again he would pursue me - another present would show up on my doorstep, we'd spend an exciting day together etc, just enough to get me hooked back in again. Once re-hooked he would suddenly be non-responsive again. CRAZY-MAKING. Now I don't give a Sh** he's hovering again. I don't care - as the lure is gone for me having unmasked him - I see him for the fool he is. ANd this is the nature of the WHOLE RELATIONSHIP with them. They are actually NEVER IN the relationship it seems. They are either in pursuit or distance mode.
Jun 3 - 7PM (Reply to #7)
Monica
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Wallaby..that was totally brill......

This was exactly my experience...you wrote From that point on, whenever I distanced myself from him due to the the agony of not getting responses or call backs from him, from obsessing about him, from feeling I was being a "pest" etc - well then once again he would pursue me - another present would show up on my doorstep, we'd spend an exciting day together etc, just enough to get me hooked back in again. Once re-hooked he would suddenly be non-responsive again. CRAZY-MAKING. Now I don't give a Sh** he's hovering again. I don't care - as the lure is gone for me having unmasked him - I see him for the fool he is. And this is the nature of the WHOLE RELATIONSHIP with them. They are actually NEVER IN the relationship it seems. They are either in pursuit or distance mode. Talk about "push and pull." The whole toxic "thing" was push and pull for me. What a power rush it must give them, to distance themselves, then show a tiny bit of attention to us and have us falling all over them once again, only to pull away AGAIN. The control freak/manipulators/con artists wet dream. The lure is gone for me, too. His hoovering is powerless over me. I no longer care, either.
Jun 3 - 9AM (Reply to #6)
TNR1
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Constantly the actor...Never the PERSON

That is how it felt to be in Mr. N's presence. It reminded me a lot of my niece...she is 3 yrs old and is absolutely obsessed with being a Princess. She must have around 30 Princess outfits and is always excited about getting another one and wants to wear them everywhere. The cover band where I met Mr. N had a lot of people who would dress up. I think the reason he liked that band so much was that he could dress in character and get tons of attention for it. And you are so right...it does seem like it is constantly a GAME with them. If they aren't getting a rise out of you by distancing themselves, then they want to hook you back in by being close. Need and revulsion at the same time...come here/go away signals...no wonder I never knew where I stood.
Jun 3 - 6AM (Reply to #2)
Barbara (not verified)
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pursuit?

they program us to pursue... so then they can say they "did nothing wrong" and "you asked for it" It's them not us - THEM! ~~~~~~~~~ Moving Forward: Coaching for Victims Pathologicals Feelings buried alive never die. - Alice Miller
Jun 3 - 5PM (Reply to #4)
Susan32
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My ex-N to a tee

My ex-N wanted me to look like the offender. To the bitter end, even after the D&D and the revelation of the girlfriend, he said to me repeatedly,"YOU were inappropriate." He was the one who always said,"You're bringing humiliation on yourself" when he reduced me to tears in public. He wanted me to look like the pursuer... but he was the one who went out to lunch with me, he was the one who went to concerts/lectures with me, the one who didn't mind if I called him at home. At any time, he could've said,"I have a serious girlfriend in LA." That would've prevented me from declaring my love to him, the D&D, the public humiliation.... but no, he wanted the DRAMA. My ex-N told me in my freshman year to avoid him, but then he'd pursue me. He was the one who insisted on reading my papers. Luckily, he didn't have the balls enough to accuse me of sexual harassment in the Dean's office... because he knew such an argument was built on a house of sand. He'd accuse me (during the D&D,when I declared my love to him) behind my back to his students that I was "hitting on him"--but I NEVER told him anything remotely sexual, not even a double entendre. Game-playing.
Jun 3 - 9AM (Reply to #3)
Janet
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Yes. He was made a good

Yes. He was made a good show of pursuing while texting or online. But, I was the one who actually bought the plane tickets to see him and then "loaded up the car and moved to...Berkeley, hills that is". I chased, he was rude, I screamed, he would lamely say "I won't do it again", did it again the next day. Creep. Peace. J

Peace. J