Did anyone get the silent treatment?

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Jun 28 - 12PM (Reply to #27)
rainbow1
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It is like they have a radar

I dont get how they can sense when we are moving on. Everytime I learn to live without him he needs me back. I dont get how they all know when we are finally moving on. It is like they have a 6th sense or something.

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Jun 28 - 9PM (Reply to #35)
rochkevin
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They do.

They do.
Jun 28 - 2PM (Reply to #28)
Amy
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Yes....

Rainbow, it's like they say "Oh, you are happy now? How dare you! I will put a stop to that at once!"
Jun 28 - 2PM (Reply to #33)
Susan32
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"Why are you always happy?"

That's what my ex-P ALWAYS asked. He couldn't bear if it I was happy. He'd call my laughter and jokes in his presence as "defense mechanisms"--and that my happiness was fake. He couldn't stand it if I said "have a nice day" or "have a nice evening" over the phone. I had to say "goodbye" or "bye" over the phone WITHOUT emotion. He'd tell me "you can't wish me happiness because you're not a happy person." It explains why my ex-P flew into a rage when I congratulated him on his engagement. I said it showed I was moving on, and I quoted HIM because he had said he wanted to "inspire me to move on." I said,"You want me to move on? I want you to be happy with your girlfriend"--and he threw a fit. He acted as if my wish for his personal happiness was a form of imposition and personal violation. Now I'm back to being happy because I'm happy. It's my temperament. I don't have to defend or justify it. He only enjoyed it when I was unhappy and in pain. What a perv... and even more perverted because I was his student, and he was my teacher.
Jun 28 - 2PM (Reply to #34)
rainbow1
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If mine was in one of his

If mine was in one of his "moods" I would ask him what was wrong. It was never anything big! I would try to help him and he would say "Not everyone can be as happy as you all the time!" (everyone tells me that I have a bubbly personality). The ironic part of all of this though was that he was only happy with me when I was happy. If I was in a bad mood he wanted nothing to do with me. I had to start pretending to be happy all the time to make sure that he didnt get frustrated, but then he would yell at me for always being happy. There was no winning!

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Jun 28 - 2PM (Reply to #29)
rainbow1
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Amy

Exactly. I was talking to mine last week (before I went NC) and he kept telling me that he is happy (I dont believe him at all especially because everyone says he looks horrible). I went on to say that I was very glad to hear that and Im happy for him. NOT ONCE did he ask me how I was doing. Not once. He has other supply right now. But I know that when he does end up asking how I am doing it is just so he can make me miserable. I know he will be back around once he knows that I am happy without him in my life. It never fails.

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Jun 28 - 2PM (Reply to #30)
Amy
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I know....

They always come back.... I am trying to use this as an opportunity to get out! We got engaged 3 months ago and it has been miserable. This disappearing act is my chance....
Jun 28 - 2PM (Reply to #31)
rainbow1
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Amy

Good for you! I am very sorry that you are going through this! But I am so proud of you for looking at the bright side of things. Most people would be devastated that their fiance is no where to be found, but you are looking at the silver lining. Good for you!

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Jun 28 - 8PM (Reply to #32)
Amy
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Part of it...

Part of me looking at the silver lining is that I was hesitant about getting back together again... I was nervous up until the moment I said yes, and then was cautious when we were first engaged. As soon as I let my guard down, he went on the attack! I have been kicking myself since the moment I left the nice guy to go back to the N.... UGH! I hate that I did this! This is my chance to get out, and I'd be a fool not to take it.
Jun 28 - 12PM
helldweller
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Silent treatment

Yes, he is a judge and I was accepted to Yale Law School. I was a paralegal for years. Honors all through school, three degrees, wrote seven books, all about our city, which we are both fascinated by. If I tried to have a conversation with him, he would sigh and say, "Honey, if you're going to talk, I'm going home." I would have pretend conversations with him in my head after awhile. I had them all the time, I guess to make up for what wasn't really happening.
Jun 28 - 12PM
helldweller
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Silent treatment

Yes, he is a judge and I was accepted to Yale Law School. I was a legal assistant for years. Honors all through school, three degrees, wrote seven books, all about our city, which we are both fascinated by. If I tried to have a conversation with him, he would sigh and say, "Honey, if you're going to talk, I'm going home." I would have pretend conversations with him in my head after awhile. I had them all the time, I guess to make up for what wasn't really happening.
Jun 28 - 12PM
helldweller
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Silent treatment

Yes, he is a judge and I was accepted to Yale Law School. I was a legal assistant for years. Honors all through school, three degrees, wrote seven books, all about our city, which we are both fascinated by. If I tried to have a conversation with him, he would sigh and say, "Honey, if you're going to talk, I'm going home." I would have pretend conversations with him in my head after awhile. I had them all the time, I guess to make up for what wasn't really happening.
Jun 28 - 10AM
Susan32
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Inability to Connect

What's ironic, and sad, is that my ex-P was a philosopher (well, he thought so) and a professor... yet we were incapable of having a philosophical discussion. He'd shut down if I asked him about his own ideas. He'd ask me tough questions, but if I asked him tough questions, he'd clam up on me. Or divert it to his personal stuff. On a purely intellectual level, I couldn't connect with him. And here I was, thinking he was merely emotionally deficient but compensated with the intellect.
Jun 28 - 10AM
NinjaGirl
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I'm getting the silent treatment right now

Thank God! It means he must have found another vict-..er, girlfriend. Or reconnected with friends he hasn't spoken to in a while. Or maybe he senses, from 20 miles away, that if he contacts me again I WILL NOT HESITATE to maim him.
Jun 27 - 8PM
Bodhi
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Yeah...

I have found a lot of articles on narcissists focus on those with "narcissistic rage" but mine never lost his cool (he's a total control freak) and abused me through passive aggressive behavior, especially some form of withdrawal... whether it was the silent treatment, being too tired or too depressed for sex when I wanted it, needed a ton of ttime by himself (which he would then tell me how needy I am...), absorbing himself into TV or work email at night and I could go on and on and on... The silent treatment is a form of control/emotional abuse and you don't deserve it.
Jun 28 - 1PM (Reply to #17)
hitandrun
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Bodhi

Mine only lost his cool once, when I caught him in a major lie. Most of his control was passive aggressive behavior that I started to call him on(no wonder he D&D'd me...too difficult!) I experienced the same B.S.----too tired for sex, needed time by himself,telling me he was in "one of his moods" needed to zone out at night watching TV or playing video games.
Aug 8 - 12PM (Reply to #20)
Peacenlove
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Silent Treatment or Discard?

Jun 28 - 5PM (Reply to #18)
Bodhi
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Good Riddance!

Yeah... I can count the number of times he lost his cool on one hand, but when he did it was pretty bad. If you haven't already, I highly recommend "Living with a Passive Aggressive Man" by Scott Wetzler (or something like that). It was very validating for me and a must read for those who were involved with the more covert types.
Jun 28 - 6PM (Reply to #19)
hitandrun
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Passive Aggressive

Bodhi, I already have the book. But the man is LONG GONE : )
Jun 27 - 7PM
James (not verified)
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LOL

Q. What's worse than a narcissist? A. An intelligent narcissist. LMFAO! How true! I always felt very lucky that my Ex N wasn't that bright in that department. That in fact saved my A*& a few times whenever I had to deal with her and her issues. At first these silence treatments worried me but later I saw them as a break from all the dysfunctional and destructive verbal fighting between us. I talked with my boys and they too understood this as well. Still with the silence treatment comes the "walking on eggshells" mostly due to the fact we (boys and I) never knew when it would end. Much like the calm before the storm. Really one can't win whenever dealing with the "S" treatment nor the rages. But I for one would take the "S" treatment over the "storm" anytime. No matter what type of abuse tactic they use, still they know how to put the victim between a rock and a hard place.
Jun 28 - 10AM (Reply to #14)
broken23
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I agree, an intelligent narc

I agree, an intelligent narc is the worst...well limited intelligence at best! My N loved the silent treatment. It would happen in two ways. Either he would punish me, and then i would have to play the "whats wrong whats wrong" game. Or i would get quiet because he treated me like crap, and then he would ignore me for twice as long, so eventually i would have to break and say "can we talk". I too like james, started to prefer to be silent...rather then hear him yell and rage. all i knew is open and honest communication was never his forte...but now i get it never will be.
Aug 8 - 12PM (Reply to #15)
Peacenlove
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Silent Treatment

Jun 27 - 2PM
Lisa E. Scott
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Baddream posted this article on Silent Treatment....so true!

This very good article was posted at the end of another thread. It rang so true to me and reflects what so many of us are going through--wondering why they left and why we never heard from them again. The Silent Treatment - A Form of Abuse I believe the silent treatment (feigned apathy; cold-shoulder; silence; distance, and ignoring you) is the worst form of emotional abuse. It is a punishment used by abusers to make you feel unimportant, not valued, not cared about and completely absent from the abuser's thoughts. It is used as a form of non-physical punishment and control because the abuser mistakenly thinks that if they don't physically harm you then they are not abusers. The truth is, they are far worse at doling out abuse than the physical abuser. Silent treatment is a form of banishing someone from the abuser's existence without the benefit of closure or a good bye or a chance at reconciliation. In a word..it's meant to torture someone you profess to love. Should I meet someone again who uses this tactic just once he will not get another chance. Because the silent treatment is something that the abuser repeats over and over again. The silent treatment is CONTROL, and a safe means for them to avoid any 'uncomfortable' topics, issues in the relationship, or issues within himself (or herself). The silent treatment is a method the abuser uses to 'kill' you for something you have done. In a sense, you have been psychologically 'murdered' by them, but your physical life goes on. In my current relationship (over as of this last abusive episode) I have spent more days getting the 'silent treatment' than not. Yes - I believe it is the 'worst' of the emotional abuse tactics - and this is where I have been most harmed and damaged, and where I will need most of my healing from. At my age I definitely don't need this. Relationships aren't supposed to be about pain and hurt. Why in goodness name I have allowed myself to suffer through all his forms of power, control, and abuse for years will be a forever question mark in my mind. I used to love him, even when I was angry with him, or hurt by him. My love stopped during the last episode - or maybe the one before. I really can't remember when my heart shut off the love valve. Maybe it was a gradual thing. However, the love is gone, truly gone - and this current episode just made me commit to not going back into the relationship. Truth be told, if I were to walk in on him today and find he had died from a heart attack or something, I think I would just be relieved, and not experience any grief or sadness at all. I know that sounds inhuman and evil, but what abused partner hasn't wished for the abuser to just stop abusing, even if it's by death? As with most abusers, they are in denial over their own abuse. They may use the excuses: * I needed to have some space * I thought you needed some space * I was feeling depressed and didn't want to drag you down with me * I thought we both need a cooling off period * I felt threatened/insulted/hurt and reacted with fear and isolation * I just needed some time alone to think * I didn't want to fight * You told me to leave you alone * Problems from my past came up and I needed to sort them out Of course these excuses are just one more way for the abusers to blame somebody or something else for his abuse. Some victims of the Silent Treatment have said: "He uses it to punish me on a regular basis" "I've had times where my husband used this tactic on me so bad, that I ended up wishing that he would just hit me and get it over with-why? Because at least then I would know I existed, and that I wasn't a ghost or invisible." "I've learned to love the silent treatment. For years, it devastated me and I felt that it was the worst of the abuse...but it's not...at least not for me. ...and yes, I felt that it was a punishment. It made me feel not important, subhuman...like I didn't even exist." "That's all it took & he wouldn't speak for days sometimes. Then he would start talking like nothing was ever wrong. Ignore your problems & keep up a front. I couldn't live like that anymore." "There was no rhyme or reason, it could happen at any time, go on for days and usually erupted into an outburst of rage. Trying to figure it out, was mind boggling and yes, punishment!" The reality is (in most cases) that the more someone ignores you the more you actually want to resolve the problem. It's almost an involuntary need on the part of the person being ignored. And that's the whole point to the ignorer. It puts them in control AND it gets them attention. However, that's in most cases - in my case the more he pulled the silent treatment, the more I saw him as a very emotionally-sick and an immature, abusive person and the LESS I wanted to resolve our problems. I would just pray for him to leave, or sometimes I would fantasize that I was in another healthy, loving relationship, and that he and I didn't even exist as a couple, or I would pack up some clothes and try to leave myself. Of course, part of his 'control' was in knowing the fact that I couldn't leave my children or my job...which I would have had to do to leave my home. This gave him all the authority and power over me as he so chose. But that authority and control truly isn't love - that controlling power and abuse is an insecure person's way of trying to not be abandoned - by abandoning you, and probably when you needed them the most. This way they feel that they had a psychological and emotional hold on you. That you can't abandon them. The problem is, are they too stupid to realize that being abandoned is exactly the result that they will eventually get? To be abandoned by their victim? Maybe not always physically abandoned, as abused people can take abuse for years and years. But they abandon their abusers mentally and emotionally, closing their hearts and souls to them, and killing any love at all they may have once felt for the abuser. Isn't that leaving? I should think so! Abuse is abuse. And abuse is never ok. In one way though, the silent treatment is far worse than other forms of abuse, because it indirectly says to you that you are not a person, you are an object, you are invisible because they choose to make you so because you are not worthy of their time. THAT is one of the most hurtful and abusive things to do in my book. It is a horrible feeling, being ignored and denied affection. For me personally the silent treatment was dished out when I did something he didn't like, when I was wrong, or when I showed him he was wrong. The link was as clear as flipping a switch and seeing the light go out. POW, KABOOM! I got punished and he wouldn't speak with me for days on end, including choosing to not even be in the same physical area with me. He would hide away or disappear for hours, and even sleep sitting upright in a desk chair every night for up to a week (or more) just to avoid being in the same room with me. He was almost childlike in his behavior. I finally said, "screw this". I couldn't live like that anymore. http://www.liftedhearts.com
Jun 27 - 2PM (Reply to #10)
agnesmurphy17
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Silent Treatment

Absolutely the worst. Mine did it regularly. Every 7-10 days was the 'cycle of abuse.' Some omission or commission of mine would force him to be angry. That lasted 1-3 days -- the verbal harangue. Then 1-3 days of silence. Then the recovery . . . or waiting for the next time some omission or commission of mine forced him to be angry with me. Mine was really into the "mindf**k." When he started to lose control over me. I started leaving, he wanted to go to 'family therapy.' So I went. I tried to explain the silent treatment. Therapist says, "When you're 'flooded' you cannot talk." Thereafter, N was "flooded" for 1-3 days . . . the "therapist says I'm 'flooded' & cannot speak with you." So any method for defusing anger is used as a vehicle to justify anger & the silent treatment. The therapist also recommended some very interesting relationship books by John Gottman, PhD. My N read them. The silent treatment is called "stonewalling." Suddenly, whenever I withdrew from the 'verbal abuse' -- refusing to engage in the 'harange' -- My N accused me of destroying our marriage by my "stonewalling." So any healthy defense mechanism is 'abusive' to N. When I told him I was leaving, he begged me to stay. He loved me. I made him happier than he'd ever been in his life. Please! I told him that did not speak to me for 33% of the marriage. I kept a diary. I showed him the days crossed out where he did not speak to me. His response, "You're so negative." One can never win with a Narcissist. By the time I left there, I was a wreck. I thought I was the crazy one. I'd rather be beaten than get the silent treatment. Then I could have had a mark to exhibit to somebody to prove the abuse.
Jun 27 - 4PM (Reply to #11)
imabloke
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Hi agnesmurphy

Thanks for your reply this is helping me as I have never had a relationship with someone that's so bizarre that's the only way to describe it. Stonewalling is a very good description, it just seems to me she was withholding information for some reason or not feeling anything for me.. but that's how it goes she didn't have any feelings for me... I wish she just would have shouted at me. God what a mind f**k. Christ why didn't I just leave... and there's me thinking it was stuff i was doing wrong. I found out things about my self and i think i attract these sort of people...
Jun 27 - 6PM (Reply to #12)
MsVulcan500
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Welcome Imabloke

The more you read and learn about N's, the more you will realize you did nothing wrong. In fact, you probably did way too much right. The problem is, they keep you thinking that if you were just a little more . . or a little less . . or did this . . or didn't do that . . you would be perfect. However, you will never be enough for someone like this, because as you "do better" so to speak, they up the ante. You will never be good enough. And when I say "you", I don't mean you personally. I mean no one will be good enough ever. Now, if you've found out things about yourself that makes you attract these types of women, then that is what you want to focus on. As you learn more about this disorder, it will help you spot others quicker so you can escape with your heart intact. Good luck and welcome!!
Jun 27 - 2PM
Introspection
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Hello Imablock...

Yes, a lot of us have experienced the "blank" look. Speaking from the assumption that the blank look equals the silent treatment that you asked about, I'll reply to your question from that perspective. From personal experience, my XN always thought that he was sooo highly intellegent that others to include me, would not be able to help. We were not his equal. How do I know? Good question...he told me several times when he had that "blank" look and appeared to be troubled. I would ask him what was going on and he would tell that he was having "issues" with xyz and was working them in his head. I would offer to be the sounding board but he told me that HE would figure it out and that I could not possibly help him. The reason as the stated was "not to insult me but his intellegence was above average and he saw the world different then most!" LOL...I know, they workship themselves. I don't know if there is such a thing as "intellegent Ns" since they are "mis-wired." My XN certaintly thought and acted as if he was intellegent yet he did a lot of really stupid things. I could add a list of what I consider really stupid to make my point and proof beyond reasonable doubt that he is not so intellegent. Welcome to the family and keep posting your questions.
Jun 28 - 8PM (Reply to #8)
naivenomore
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The blank look?

Hello Introspection! You mentioned the "blank look" and it caught my attention because my ex-N had this really creepy, glazed sort of staring at times and I wondered if that's what you experienced also? It was very penetrating and I always suspected some anger or something but because of the passive-aggressive stuff, I couldn't determine it totally. My friends have also commented on this 'blank, glazed look' and how it bothered them - as if he was more righteous than everyone else.
Jun 27 - 2PM (Reply to #7)
GIJ
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I didn see this too

I had limited personal contact yet recall him gazing at me intently the first time we met. I don;t think he blinked for a full 5 minutes. He was beaming ear to ear like he was on cloud nine. It went on forever. It was like he was stuck or his mind was skipping. Others close to him wonder if he might have adult asbergers. It was like his brain skips or he is busy reading the situation and just doesn't know how to respond. As for other petty games - tons of tit for tat (truly juvenile), including long periods of being completely ignored.
Jun 27 - 1PM
PumpKyn80
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Yup

Yes, I have experienced this. I remember when I would go off on him on the phone and tell him how his behavior was hurtful, talking for about 2 minutes and then after I finish nothing but silence...and I would say "are you there?" and he would say "yes" but no emotion or reaction to what I said at all. Frustration is the one good word to describe a "relationship" with them. I always put relationship in quotes because it was not a real relationship.