Broke NC...now a confession. Lol

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#1 Oct 12 - 6PM
Crazy Train
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Broke NC...now a confession. Lol

Ok, call me S-T-U-P-I-D. Yesterday I broke 6 weeks NC by responding to a text. Yes, Hunter yelled at me. Lol. But today, I took it to a new level. One that I am too embarrassed to tell you. I don't feel sucked back in because I understand what he's about. He works the theory of deny, deny, deny. So the "truth" is anyone's guess.

I just honestly, in my heart, don't know HOW I will go thru my life without seeing this person and having him close. Crazy thought, yes. My brain understands this is ridiculous. But my heart...and other parts....don't care!

What am I doing wrong in my recovery to have allowed him back in? I find his charisma so incredibly strong, that I cannot see myself staying away. Which I'm quite sure will ultimately lead to a repeat of the misery I experienced.....with more crying eventually on the way. Why all the hurt he caused is not paramount on my mind, I do not know. But when I saw him today....FIREWORKS. I'm in trouble....

Oct 15 - 2AM
empath
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oxytocin junkie

Google some info on the hormone "oxytocin". This is what helps to turn the great dysfunctional sex into addiction...literally. When you realize that your biology is hardwired to bond you and bind you, it helps give perspective to the severity of what you are dealing with. Cold turkey through NC is the way to overcome this. I am in my 40s and had previously not gone longer then 3 weeks without getting laid, since I became sexually active in my teens. Getting control of my oxytocin addiction has been the most difficult thing I've ever done. Going NC caused me to have physical withdrawal and there were days when I thought I would literally die from not having sex. There is so much working against us in the Ns favor...that is what keeps us stuck.Our hormones really do cloud our judgment.
Oct 14 - 4AM
Jelickuk
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Replace the word "him" with

Replace the word "him" with "heroin" or "crack cocaine" and it becomes easier to understand. Both drugs have a powerful pull but the consequences are horrendous
Oct 14 - 3PM (Reply to #29)
darling.girl
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My heroin!

Exactly! Without realizing what I was actually describing, I described the relationship with my "narc" as heroin. "It's like I had the greatest drug and I want it, again." Duh!!! The highs ARE really great, but you know you're going to pay big time for it. And it never rises to the level it was in the initial stages because the cracks in the illusion have started. Before the final break-up with my narc, I asked him if he would see me for one last time together (I know, I know). He said he would consider it. While the possibility of seeing him after almost 2 years existed, I noticed I was feeling nauseated as I thought about seeing him. He eventually said no, and it led to the end. As much as that hurt, I was relieved in some way. But, oh, the addiction. It is real. It's not just a cliche. It really made me high. But what goes up, must come down. Crashing, crashing crashing down.
Oct 14 - 1AM
Journey
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Crazy Train, you are not

Crazy Train, you are not stupid, it is hard to resist the powerful energy they use to draw us in. There was a time when I felt exactly the same, that he was my soul mate, that I couldn't imagine my life without him in it. That was the number one reason I resisted my own instincts which I confused with just being my fear. I wouldn't listen to where that fear really came from because I was drawn to him like nothing I have ever experienced before. You are so freshly out of the relationship. For me it's been 2 years and I would still likely experience those 'fireworks' were I to actually be close to him again. It's hard to stay away, yet not staying away keeps sucking our life spirit out of us... perhaps that is the real cause of the fireworks - all that energy exploding with nowhere to really go and we are left feeling even emptier than we were while adjusting to NOT being with them. You will know when you've had enough, but it's true, that might be a much worse place than where you are right now. I know I let it go WAY to far and suffered WAY more because of it. The ending is never fun with a narc and when it happens over and over by repeated hoover, devalue and discard, there is no happy ending and the longer the story drags on, the sadder and harder it gets. It is up to you to chose the ending and close the book. ((hugs))

Journey on...

Oct 14 - 1AM
meik11
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I know exactly what you mean.

I know exactly what you mean. Everytime my N would D&D me when I finaly saw him his sheer presence made me forget (temporarily) everything he had done and all the hurtful statements he had made to me. We had this chemistry that could not be denied anytime we were in each other's company. I have never been that way with anyone, EVER. There is going to come a time when he will do something that triggers your memory of everything and you won't be able to stand him. The last time I saw my Narc, I couldn't even look at him, I was sick to my stomach. He saw it in my face he said, "that looks like hate" and I said "more like disgust!" I was finally seeing myself for the fool I had been and even though at that moment he was handing me money I knew he did not really care about me... I miss him though... which is what makes this whole process so hard...
Oct 13 - 5PM
indenial
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yep fireworks

I've broken nc what seems like a million times in the past by responding to him and yes its been fireworks. I know that feeling well. Only this time I truly don't want to break nc. I hope he doesn't contact me. Its only day two of nc but the relief and peace I feel is truly wonderful. I hope it lasts. I've been back too many times now just to be feeling miserable and confused within days. Everytime he has treated me worse than the time before. I don't even feel the urge to say anything to him because I know it will just be twisted. I don't like his terms. Simple. I'm trying to simplify things because that's what I need to do. I hope to god that if he does make contact or turn up there are no fireworks. I've been burnt too many times
Oct 13 - 5PM (Reply to #24)
Hunter
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Idenial

Come on you can do it!! It's time!! Hunter
Oct 13 - 6PM (Reply to #25)
indenial
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hunter

Yes it is time. Its long over due. Its time for me to get over this and live again. There is nothing left now. I admit this last few times I went back with my eyes wide open and for my own reasons that I'm not too sure of because I knew it wasn't what I wanted anymore but what I did realise was that everytime I ended up back under his spell and wanting him. A dangerous game that I no longer want to play. It is time to DELETE DELETE DELETE ! Please god give me the strength to see it through this time ! Thankyou to all you wonderful ladies. You're an inspiration
Oct 13 - 5PM (Reply to #22)
Crazy Train
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Indenial, the jokes on ME

Indenial, the jokes on ME because the fireworks I felt yesterday turned into him ignoring me today. He sent a text early this morning that I responded to. And haven't heard a word from him since. More mind games. I get what I deserve for breaking NC. I thought I could conrol my emotions and maybe turn contact with him into more of a "friendship" but obviously I can't. And WHY I'd even want to is effed up thinking, after all the games he played that caused me months of therapy and more crying than I ever thought I could do. Thank you for understanding. I hope to get to your place sooner than later.
Oct 13 - 6PM (Reply to #23)
indenial
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dont be hard on yourself

You don't deserve what you got. None of us do. I've done it too many times. Indulged in breaking nc thinking well I know now so what harm can it do ? Boy was I wrong. Before I knew it I was magical thinking and not coming to the forum and convinced I was wrong just for him to start devaluing me and yes more mind games. I don't know that I'm in a good place yet. I feel ok but who knows. Tomorrows another day and will I be able to stay strong. I pray I do and I pray for you too. They never give us closure. We have to make our own and for me the only way to get it for me is to not let him devalue and discard me and feel rejected. I've walked away this time and simply gave him no reaction which puts me back in control of me. The only way I remain in control is by now staying firm and not caving in to any hoovering attempts because ultimately he wants to draw me back to dummp me and leave me broken. Well I'm not broken and treating a narc with indifference really does appear to be the only revenge. I read a quote and it says " when I shut my mouth and turn to walk it doesn't mean you've won. It just means your stupid ass aint worth my time ". And with those words in my head I've turned and walked. I don't need to say them to him. Right now I have nothing to say to him. Just like I didn't 2 days ago when I had to listen to him rage for nearly 2 hours and pull my hair and scream in my face and wrap the seat belt round my neck. The physical abuse doesn't scare me half as much as the emotional abuse. I just walked and when he text me " goodbye you've broken me with broken heart and crying faces symbols I didn't even give him a response and we've had nc since. So far so good. Hugs to you xx
Oct 13 - 4PM
Tigerlily
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Analyze the fireworks

With me it was a pretty potent cocktail of: Strong sexual attraction Uncertainty about the future (reminded me of home) Fear of abandonment, the unknown, pain (reminded me of home) Desire to comfort and heal a hurt kid (nurturing and maternal instinct, learned at home where everyone was hurting most of the time) Stubbornness: the stubbornness that takes on an impossible task (loving someone who is fundamentally unlovable and failing to give up when it was obvious to everyone except me that I was fighting for a lost cause) - reminded me of home. Yeah, I felt I`d "come home" with him. That feeling of being soulmates, of belonging together, of being "at home with him" should have been an immense red flag, and wasn`t, because it felt so good for the first few months. Sex did the rest. I should have run like hell and didn`t. I`m still not sure if I`m sorry or glad that I didn`t. But I`m damned glad I ran when I did. And there`s no way I`m ever going to respond to those particular fireworks again, because they`re not fireworks, Crazy Train - they`re approaching falling bombs. Get in the shelter while you`re still breathing (the shelter is NC). And survive. Love, Tigerlily
Oct 13 - 3PM
onwithmylife
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crazy train

Perhaps time for some therapy with a professional well versed in personality disorders, it may bring you the answers you seek.............
Oct 13 - 1PM
ally2375
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All aboard!

What was that Sparrow said? Don't look at him with only one eye? The eye that's open right now sees chemistry, connection, charisma...the three evil C's! I'm going to remind you of what YOU told us about this guy, in the hopes that maybe you will open your other eye, too. "...Add to that his temper tantrums, constant lying, secretive lifestyle, prescription meds addiction & my extensive Google research that uncovered more than 50 arrests...and you can understand why my head is still swirling. Oh & you'll enjoy the fact that he actually admitted to taking NLP training for his job in sales." "My friends nicknamed him the "Crazy Train"....being with him put ME on the train.....I'm smart and successful at my job, but his nonsense had me thinking that I was actually losing my mind. I couldn't eat, sleep, work, etc. When I was in his presence, he was so charming that it literally took my breath away. But in reality, what he took away was ALL my self esteem & my sanity." Life is all about choices. When you choose a Cluster B, the good NEVER comes without the bad.
Oct 13 - 5PM (Reply to #17)
Crazy Train
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Ally & Friends

Ally, WOW, when I see what I wrote, it REALLY makes me feel like a MORON. But the "fireworks" I felt yesterday have turned into the "waterworks" of today because seeing him yesterday has started my emotional rollercoaster again. And as expected, nothing has changed. Nothing today from him. Either too busy with OW to interact with me or more silent treatment. This, after he text "I love you and really do miss you" last night. Just empty words from an empty person. The thing is, my brain is smart and knows what's right. My heart is still broken by the way I was fooled into thinking I was with Prince Charming. Soooo, breaking NC as you all said, backfired. Just wanted to tell the newer members, DO NOT BREAK NO CONTACT. Nothing will be different than it was before. Your emotions will run wild even if you have learned everything there is to know about PD & you think you can control how you feel. I really thought I could. It just doesn't turn off the heart felt feelings that you still carry for the fantasy....which was just that, a FANTASY. Thank you all for your support & to Ally for recapping my earlier post. That was an eye opener. Hugs, Crazy Train
Oct 13 - 5PM (Reply to #18)
ally2375
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Crazy Train

Sweetheart, you are most definitely NOT a moron. Frankly, if you were, Mr. Wonderful would never have targeted you in the first place. What you ARE is vulnerable, as we all are in the early weeks and months. Because time does a wonderful job of helping us forget the depth of the pain while we get all wistful for the good stuff. In hindsight, the good stuff gets better and the bad stuff doesn't seem so bad. I'm sorry you're crying today. It was a tough lesson, I know. Don't kick yourself for it; you're in very good company. But, REMEMBER what this feels like. Because you will likely be in the exact same spot sooner than later. And you will get to make another choice. It will be okay. This process isn't about perfection. :)
Oct 12 - 8PM
Deidre40
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it happens to the best of

it happens to the best of us. when will it stop? when you deem yourself worthy enough to not tolerate an abusive man in your life, or bed. on some level, you don't believe you deserve better than this asshole. truly, it boils down to what you believe you deserve. you know what he is. the charisma is a smokescreen. to lure you back in.
Oct 12 - 8PM
Hunter
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You're not going to believe

You're not going to believe this but I think you are doing great!! Hell if it was as easy as yup, NC.. Fuck You !, we might all be learning to bake the perfect cupcakes on the Martha Stewart site! This is a headfuck at it's finest.. You were in love with crazy train!! He flipped a switch and changed the game!! You know what he is, accepting it comes with time!! Yes, NC is your vengeance and NC will save your soul.. The only one that can make that work is you!! I spoke with you today.. You told me all about this guy.. A normal person would think you are out of your mind!! This guy is a huge loser!! Loser is all he has going for him.. He sucked you in.. You have a future a head of you.. He has NOTHING!! This is one moment of your life.. One moment.. Get past this and follow the rules.. Got it?? Now let's go for day 2... Hunter
Oct 12 - 8PM
emtg
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Crazy train

I know exactly how you feel. EXACTLY. I don't feel that way anymore but I certainly did. Being with them is ilke entering fantasy land again and of course it can feel good - especially if you aren't in an acute anger phase and pain and you honestly don't remember how bad it was. But I'm sure it was bad. very very bad. I don't know but I would venture to guess is that part of what you feel is SERIOUS PAIN RELIEF. It is the feeling of having a feeling go away and replaced with the fantasy of love and a future together that you always wanted. you are in withdrawal and have been given a little bit of the drug. But like all drugs, you will regret this in the morning. Thinking of you and hoping you stay strong!
Oct 12 - 8PM
really
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Your response to him is

Your response to him is completely normal. Many/most of us have had the same. That's why NC is so important and is the only answer. Staying committed to it is the only way not to let this happen again. The thing that is different with your situation now is that you KNOW what he is. Intentionally putting yourself in a situation of abuse is very troubling, but people sometimes do it. I often wonder about the women who have come and gone from here, knowingly keeping themselves in a situation so much worse than what they deserve because they can't shake the same thoughts you are having. The best advice I can offer is not to entertain the thought that being with him is a possibility simply because he is pathologically ill and that will never change. It sounds horrible, but it is true. He can't.
Oct 12 - 7PM
Crazy Train
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I do thank all of you for

I do thank all of you for your thoughts my backslide. It's not that I think it's a joke, but more a feeling of being "high" after being in his presence again. I know that it is another precursor to a doomed failure ending but I was just being honest about what happened and how I feel about it. He has something about him that I find so charismatic. Surely, the train will run full circle and the choice I nade today will bite me in the ass. It's just an inexplicable connection that I have never felt toward anyone else in my life. Yes, he ran me thru the ringer emotionally but I suppose I'm just longing for the fantasy again which I understand is in no way real. But being human, people make mistakes and live with their choices. And I'm among them.
Oct 12 - 8PM (Reply to #11)
Caligirl
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CT, forget fireworks, you are messing with fire

Hmm, it doesn't sound like you're done with this guy...taking the train on another trip. You already admit where that train will go. You must not have reached rock bottom. You are willing to risk your emotional and mental well-being for some physical pleasure? I've been there, and it was not worth it. Ask yourself, why this intense attraction? It becomes addictive. It's addiction. They create much of that by manipulation, like fanning the fire. They use hot/cold, withholding, withdrawal, anything to keep you second guessing. It isn't healthy. They depend on you getting addicted. It may seem exciting and dangerous, different from anything you've ever known, but when it all comes crashing in, it hurts like hell. Holding to the fantasy only prolongs the healing. When we go n/c, we can start healing. We can see why we were so hooked realistically.
Oct 12 - 7PM
Caligirl
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Crazy Train, FIREWORKS?

"HOW will I go thru my life without seeing this person and having him close." If I was within two feet of my exN, the only reason I would be jumping his bones is to knock the friggin snot out of him. I get the chemistry part. I really do, but n/c is the only way.
Oct 12 - 7PM (Reply to #8)
Unfreakinreal
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I throw up a little in my

I throw up a little in my mouth any time I know he is in the same zip code... The only fireworks I want to experience with him are the cheap, poorly made and dangerous ones that would remove a couple of his fingers... And possibly an eye.
Oct 12 - 7PM (Reply to #9)
Caligirl
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UFR, LOL!

I'd like to stick one of those big fireworks on his back and launch him into orbit like they did in the cartoons. Friggin assclowns!
Oct 12 - 7PM
Unfreakinreal
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My apologies in advance...

But in your post you sound really happy. It doesn't sound like you really want him out of your life. That you are somewhat joking about the pain you are certain to experience concerns me. I always go back to what Hunter once told me: When you have had enough, you will stop. It's time to ask yourself if you really WANT to be rid of him. If you do, then NC is essential. Xoxo
Oct 13 - 11AM (Reply to #6)
spinning
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UFR, you speak the truth...

...Crazy train, I hope you know this and own it. You are literally forging the path you are on. You are on the tracks again... I believe you haven't been hurt enough yet. I think it's unfortunate that you are choosing to lower the bar. I do understand it, though. We have all felt that "intense soulmate connection" to the disordered ones. In my case, that "intense soulmate connection" nearly completely destroyed me. I am TELLING YOU THE TRUTH. It was the struggle of my life to let him and the chaos go. Now at 11 months out, I am happier, more joyful, my life is an adventure filled with fun and yes, "fireworks" with non PD individuals. I wouldn't get back on the crazy train for a zillion bucks. I hope you won't have to gain all this knowledge the way I did...when I was barely able to function and literally almost dead. Hang in there. Listen to your gut. That voice is still alive in you and please try to keep listening. Most sincerely, (not) spinning. IT'S A CHOICE. LIFE IS TOO SHORT TO SPIN AROUND A DISORDERED FREAK WHO WILL KEEP ME SPINNING

spinning

Oct 12 - 7PM
Sparrow
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Crazy train, you are two

Crazy train, you are two weeks into your journey. This is NOT a surprise, whatsoever..........we have all been there. The only thing that concerns me, just a little bit, because I take into consideration the time frame of where you are in your journey........that you lack regret. Don't take that the wrong way, please. It is not meant as a judgement, just an observation. Typically, when someone sets NC into place, they are filled with absolute desire to remove this person from their lives, from their head and heart. And when they falter, they are devastated. You seem someone overjoyed, kind of like the cat that caught the canary. Again, not judging, please correct me if I am wrong. You seem to be overjoyed, experiencing fireworks.........in most circumstances, one feels defeated, regretful, at a loss.............. With that said. Please know that we can all relate, if we were honest. We would all LOVE to have everything wonderful again, perfect, fireworks.........but we know that it can not possibly be. What you are dealing with right now is a feeling of elation, one that will eventually turn to sorrow. I don't mean to burst your bubble, because, believe me, it's a beautiful place to be. But please be warned, the worst is yet to come. Breaking NC is probably the most common set back in ones journey. Nope, I take that back. Breaking NC is the most common setback...........that is why it is the number one rule to abide by if you want to heal. It takes us, most of us a few times to learn that though, and you will.........just please be careful. As very wise woman told me once to "not look at him with only one eye". It was probably the best advise I have ever received in my life. My best to you in your recovery, and please know that we are here for you. That will never change. But, please be prepared for different opinions, outlooks and views on this post. And don't take any of them personally...........you may not like all of the posts you read, but that is all part of the forum and part of your support. Stay strong my friend!
Oct 14 - 12AM (Reply to #2)
58 and going strong
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One will be breaking NC until

One will be breaking NC until one is done. One is done only when the 'Inner Void' becomes un-deny-able; when we are unable to deny any longer that our souls are slowly being assascinated each day a little bit more. Sometimes, in worst cases, until all life has been killed.- Scoop posted something about the similarities of how cults' and Ns' techniques of securing supply are so similar. They are at some level, because they appear to be filling their victims' inner voids - at least for a while. Until the victims realize that their needs are not truly being met at all: The void is still there and has usually grown much bigger - the worst of deserts underneath the illusion. Some victims are sucked in to a point where their void, their inner death valley is as vast as that of a N.-- Part of our healing is filling that place ourselves - love and spirituality are the answers. For we can truly only love our neighbors as much as we love ourselves. Where there is no self-respect and no self-love, there is no respect and no love. Give - to yourself as much as to others - and you shall receive. For love is the one thing that grows as it is shared. May Go(o)d be with you all tonight!
Oct 14 - 12AM (Reply to #3)
freaked
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Nice post, 58&GS

Very nice post 58&GS..thanks. Copied this out from your post: Part of our healing is filling that place ourselves - love and spirituality are the answers. For we can truly only love our neighbors as much as we love ourselves. Where there is no self-respect and no self-love, there is no respect and no love. Give - to yourself as much as to others - and you shall receive. It helped to give me a Hope for a future.
Oct 14 - 1AM (Reply to #4)
58 and going strong
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Do You Love Me?

A lover asked his beloved, Do you love yourself more than you love me? The beloved replied, I have died to myself and I live for you. I’ve disappeared from myself and my attributes. I am present only for you. I have forgotten all my learning, but from knowing you I have become a scholar. I have lost all my strength, but from your power I am able. If I love myself I love you. If I love you I love myself. (Deepak Chopra) Very soothing site: www. poetseers.org