Bearing Witness (to their Evil)

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#1 Jun 27 - 4PM
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Bearing Witness (to their Evil)

........funny thing.

I have never seen a [pathological] do any lasting harm to anyone, though I have seen them blamed for a lot they didn't do, and a lot that never happened.

Yet I have frequently seen psychopathic /narcissistic personality types torture or stifle real human beings by millimeters.

I look now at my life, the life that never happened.
All the psychopaths and narcissists gone, safe at last.
My physical health is broken past recovery, in tiny little day to day ways.

I never had time, or a reason to take care of it, or learn how.

I love and am loved in a way I trust as surely as the ground beneath my feet...

But there is nothing inside me that even feels entitled to survival.

I was raised isolated in a psycho/narcissistic environment, where to care about anything except yourself was a mental illness, where "truth" was whatever they wanted it to be, not sometimes, not under pressure, but as a way of life.

The only people and behaviours I had a chance to be familiar with are psycho/narcissistic, and constantly destructive.
A world of lies that exists only in two polyester dimensions.
Where nothing tells the truth reliably, not even the clocks.

I have escaped at last, but everything outside is so unfamiliar to me, alien, I don't even know the basics, everything I have to deal with is a massive undertaking. I will never be able to function normally, or comfortably. Not even on the simplest levels.

Very few like me make it out alive.

I don't care about me, I'm carefully programmed not to after all.

But what of the rest?
Even the one's who lie in neglected graves, scapegoated in death, as I was intended to be?

Which includes my own Grandmother.
Literally manipulated to her death.........

NO!!!!!!!!!

Sorry, lies, manipulations, concealed agenda can damage as much and as surely as bullets and knives. It's just a lot harder to prove and prevent.

Almost impossible to contain.

I have never seen a narcissist recover, they can't, they have nothing to gain by recovery after all, and everything to lose. They go on damaging others, and the rationalisations get more expert over time.

And people, often the most innocent, go on getting hurt, through no fault of their own, with very little choice in the matter.

The N will always survive, by lying, cheating, stepping on others, threats and intimidation. The survival of the victims is not thus guaranteed.

They have priority.

But even after that, what on earth is gained by funding Ns to tell bigger and better lies? Rationalise and justify themselves in new, more effective ways and go on grinding other people into dust as usual? Because that is ALL that would happen. What, after all, is the life of an N but one long confidence trick? That is never benign?

Society needs to pour its funds into containing the capacity to harm of psycho/narcissistic personality types. Before having any claim on healing, or the compassion of society, the N must first contain (in a REAL sense) his capacity to harm.

http://narcissism-support.blogspot.com/2009/01/bearing-witness.html

Aug 26 - 9PM
Barbara (not verified)
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tasha - book

you can get it cheap here: https://www.e-junkie.com/ecom/gb.php?ii=171497&c=cart&aff=21165&ejc=2 ~~~~~~~~~~~~ CLICK HERE: Articles & information for Victims - Updated Daily "As soon as you feel that crazy sense of walking on eggshells, fending off N-rage, stop. Walk away." - Dr. M. Beck
Aug 26 - 8PM
cupcake (not verified)
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Power over me

My N had this power over me. I couldn't say no to him, I could not stand up to him. I am a nice girl. Clean! And it's like I wanted to say sexual things to him to please him? I couldn't say no to him. Many times I said to myself when he would chase me relenteslly (and a lot all day for a couple of days), he would see me but then he would disappear for an average of 2 weeks and I would feel so confused and broken wondering what happened. Then he would spring back again and instead of slapping him for treating me so badly I would be so happy and excited to see his name again and fall right back in. I couldn't stand up to him and I still can't. I wish I could have just told him he wasn't treating me well and left him but I coulnd't. I wasn'te ven his girlfriend, he never broughgt me out always wanted nights in at one of our houses. he isn't that great. Not interesting, not that smart the few times we did go out for dinner he was quite boring dull and cranky. I was addicted to him like a drug but had enough now. I still don't feel like I could stan dfup to him or yell at him. Maybe no girls can!
Aug 26 - 6PM
tasha
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so true

I'm having a psychiatriatric 'overhaul',in the process im learning why I am attracted to these pathological types.Aswell as being an adult survivor of sexual abuse, my mother I am sure now is a Narcissist.I never knew before now what exactly that entailed.Until I came accross my ex N. It's funny how we are attracted to that what is familiar and comfortable, even to those that are detrimental.I was raised to be selfless and sacrifice everything, made to feel bad when I didnt. I see the pattern emerging now, how I've been set up(programmed).How horrible it is to acknowlege that the maternal influence in your life is just as DESTRUCTIVE to you as those ex partners that have caused havoc in your life. However my triumph in life is surviving them.Laughing,being happy and content and even forgiving them(I refuse to be bitter and hating)As they would have me.I am not as they are. I am looking forward to a very bright and fufilling future.
Aug 26 - 7PM (Reply to #13)
Barbara (not verified)
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tasha

get and read WOMEN WHO LOVE PSYCHOPATHS it will explain exactly why THEY are ATTRACTED to you! (you got in backwards... YOU DID NOTHING) ~~~~~~~~~~~~ CLICK HERE: Articles & information for Victims - Updated Daily "As soon as you feel that crazy sense of walking on eggshells, fending off N-rage, stop. Walk away." - Dr. M. Beck
Aug 26 - 8PM (Reply to #19)
insectt (not verified)
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I think Barabara is right.

I think Barabara is right. With my N, I wasn't 'attracted' to him, although I knew who he was in our social circles. I was several months out of an 18 year relationship when my N pursued me. Relentlessly. Initially, I wasn't going to date for a year (when my braces came off..lol). My N poured on SOOOO much charm and was SOOOOOO convincing that I thought I was SOOOO lucky to have found my 'soul mate' that I didn't want to lose him. And I am not even a 'relationship-minded person'. I was in an 18 year realtionship and didn't even want to get married!! But, he won me over. I succumbed. I became a person that i wans't before. At first he brought out my 'good traits.' He was a positive thinker, motivated, successful, stunningly handsome...and he was head over heels in love with me!! he 'never wanted to know life without me', and 'every word I said I meant, you're my best friend and I love you. We'll figure life out'. Now, two years later, he has abandoned me, abandoned the mother of his infant son and has noe declared that this NEW realtionship he is in 'is the one'. Yeah, they TARGET and are ATTRACTED to us. We are only attracted to them after they convince us to be...and that's only because they lie and manipulate and pretend they are someone they are definately not. We would NEVER be attracted to the 'real' them. Only to the fake, temporary one they show us in the beginning.
Aug 26 - 7PM (Reply to #14)
tasha
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bloody hell!!

Im confounded...I thought that it was natural for me to be attracted to that which is normal to me, Im finding it hard to source the book here in australia.can you suggest some international online book stores that ship here
Aug 26 - 8PM (Reply to #15)
insectt (not verified)
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this is soooo off topic but..

I went to Australia once. my FAVORITE saying you guys have is 'Bloody Oath!' haha LOVE it!!
Aug 26 - 9PM (Reply to #16)
quietude (not verified)
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grrrrr

I apologize in advance if I offend, but sorry, this is triggering for me...my ex was from 'around that area'...if I hear that type of accent now, I freak. If I hear 'bloody hell, good on ya, mates, gidday, suck it up cupcake, cheers! or any of those sayings, I want to pull strands of hair out. This just added to his illusion of being so special and adorable...those cute little sayings...ugggghhhhhhh!!! Of course, this is just MY PERSONAL ISSUE...nothing against the people in general.
Aug 27 - 1AM (Reply to #18)
tasha
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hi quietude

Im not australian-no offence taken!Im from New Zealand,our accents are very similar though.Though I do understand how you feel, my Narc was irish and hearing anyone with an irish accent now has, the the very same effect on me.yes special and adorable because of thier 'cute accent' added to his charm!
Aug 26 - 9PM (Reply to #17)
insectt (not verified)
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My N, I believe was from

My N, I believe was from 'around the area' of HELL. Maybe the 9th layer. I wish he would go back, so I get the house....lol But I know wat you mean about certain things 'triggering'. I used to mark 'shark week' as our unofficial anniversery. This year, it made my stomach roll. I wanted to watch it...but I couldn't. :(
Aug 26 - 1PM
Barbara (not verified)
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bearing witness

SEE TOP POST ~~~~~~~~~~~~ CLICK HERE: Articles & information for Narc Victims - Updated Daily "As soon as you feel that crazy sense of walking on eggshells, fending off N-rage, stop. Walk away." - Dr. M. Beck
Aug 26 - 8PM (Reply to #7)
cynthia (not verified)
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NO SAM V

SAM V is awful, I came to that conclusion all by myself, whenever I saw his stuff pop up I x it out real fast
Aug 17 - 10PM (Reply to #11)
Chloe
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He's awful because he's one of them, however....

That book saved me. I learned a lot from that book. It gave me a perspective on the life of a narcissist. Then I read more books on narcissism, and the pieces all came together. The book is informative.
Aug 26 - 9PM (Reply to #10)
Barbara (not verified)
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sites to avoid

there's a few other Narc self-proclaiming gurus on the net who prey on victims who need to be avoided. He's on the top of that list. http://www.angelfire.com/zine2/narcissism/narcissism_caution_internet.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~ CLICK HERE: Articles & information for Victims - Updated Daily "As soon as you feel that crazy sense of walking on eggshells, fending off N-rage, stop. Walk away." - Dr. M. Beck
Aug 26 - 8PM (Reply to #8)
cupcake (not verified)
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Sam?

Is his stuff fake?
Aug 26 - 9PM (Reply to #9)
Barbara (not verified)
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sam

he's a plaguarist he's a psychopath do not EVER get involved with his boards or the boards his henchwoman Femfree runs for him. what he says about intellect Narcs is generally right on what he says about Sexual Narc is WAAAY off and there's NO SUCH THING as co-narcissism or someone who "craves relationships only with narcissists" the psychology community despises him and laughs at him STAY AWAY FROM HIM AT ALL COST! You want chilling and creepy about him? Watch this: http://blip.tv/file/2268740 ~~~~~~~~~~~~ CLICK HERE: Articles & information for Victims - Updated Daily "As soon as you feel that crazy sense of walking on eggshells, fending off N-rage, stop. Walk away." - Dr. M. Beck
Aug 26 - 2PM (Reply to #5)
Chloe
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Question

Is this information from "Malignant Self-Love?" (by Sam Vaknin)
Aug 26 - 5PM (Reply to #6)
Barbara (not verified)
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chloe

HELL NO! No vaknin on this board! http://www.enpsychopedia.org/index.php/Sam_Vaknin It's from the source listed. avoid vaknin! ~~~~~~~~~~~~ CLICK HERE: Articles & information for Victims - Updated Daily "As soon as you feel that crazy sense of walking on eggshells, fending off N-rage, stop. Walk away." - Dr. M. Beck
Jun 27 - 5PM
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you are a brilliant writer.

you are a brilliant writer. Your health might not be lost. Anyone who can write as well as you can, as descriptively, and with such pain is not lost but speaking of loss. All illnesses in the US are pumped with pills that cause side effects. when I suffered from a debilitating lung disease I found a vitamin therapist-way before that had any popularity. she healed others and the death sentance I was given moved to a healthier place, then I regained enough health to work part-time, then full time and it all turned around. I know it is a violation of all we hold sacred to dare to say doctor's aren't the answer but in a lot of cases they aren't. There is nothing better than a surgeon when you have a hot appendix but a lot of other things can be dealt with in alternative medicine. just check out alternative medicine for your problem and try it. a nurse I know was told her hapatitis C was terminal and she turned it around with an herb called milkthistle. She resisted any alternative medicine. She is fine and her liver is re-generating. She had a daughter who just forced her to take it as a last resort and it worked. you have a lot of things to say and a lot of people need to hear what you have to say. I want your health to be better. they can't break you -you know too much about them. the nazi's thought they had a 1,000 year Reich and they didn't last -either will the emotional nazi's who harmed you. The pen is mightier than the sword.
Jun 27 - 5PM (Reply to #2)
Barbara (not verified)
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thanks but

I didn't write this. But I have been published and written many other things. However, I can not be held to a deadline so can't hold a regular writers job or any other job for that matter. ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Free articles & information for abuse victims: http://abusesanctuary.blogspot.com Effective Coaching for Victims of Pathologicals http://one2one4victims.webs.com/
Dec 18 - 8AM (Reply to #3)
Barbara (not verified)
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'Bearing Witness to Their Evil'

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