Why Ns don't sleep (my uneducated theory)

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May 7, 2010 - 7:19am
narcnarcwhosthere (not verified)
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AMEN, SCOOP....

me neither......i don't sleep anymore...haven't slept well in years.....i used to sleep like a baby before that bastard came along...there's something about having had your husband try to murder that makes your sleep restless..... it's not about a clear conscience....it's about an ugly world.....
May 7, 2010 - 4:26am
Scoop
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I never sleep though the

I never sleep though the night but that is because the word if full of psychopaths !
May 6, 2010 - 7:24pm
Monica
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Up 'til all hours watching porn...

...and jerking off. That's why mine didn't sleep very much. I think he did this every night. Would start watching and touching himself around 11:30 - midnight. Who knows how many hours he was at it. We never lived together. He must have been up pretty late because he was always running late in the mornings and had a hard time getting going for the day. I guess porn and masturbation are pretty darn exhausting.
May 7, 2010 - 7:13pm (Reply to #37)
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Monica. My exN was exactly

Monica. My exN was exactly the same, porn, masturbation every night the whole time we lived together then this progressed to cybersex. He'd go to bed around 4am. For the last 6 months he slept in another room with his computer so he could jerk off with cybersex. He was always late for work, and would say he was working on his computer late. What an awful way to live, 2 weeks before he assaulted me for the last time I'd tried to talk to him about our relationship in a really neutral way. He just looked at me and said he wouldn't tell me if he was having an affair as it would change things. Reality is that he has huge man boobs, cellulite, a fat bum and legs that rub together so all his trousers had holes in between his legs. In fact he looked like a huge pink bloated pig on two legs with a normal head on top. He would snore like a horse and fart all the time then go to the toilet and his bum would explode everyday, he didn't mind that I could hear this. Not to mention he's a narc............. yeah go and have your affair. Glad you're gone

Ending the dance

May 6, 2010 - 7:32pm (Reply to #36)
Amazed
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LOL!!!!!! That is funny!!!!

What a waste!!!! I am sure you wanted to trust him during those nights,,,,you were probably very fond of him,,worried about him too,,they are a nightmare,,and cause this in others!!!!!
May 6, 2010 - 8:57am
TexN (not verified)
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Never slept

He worked really hard, long hours in the hot sun. You would think he'd be drained...Nope! He would be up all night. He never came to bed. Finally, at 3:00 or 4:00 in the morning, he would fall asleep in the living room couch or floor. Then in the morning when it was time to get up for work I couldn't wake him up! It was worse than trying to get a kid up for school. I would have to call him over & over. When he would finally wake up, he would be raging about not being able to find his boots, hard hat, etc! He'd say, "F**k!, I'm late! I'm going to get fired!" "Who moved my shit???!" It was like that every morning! He averaged about 3 hrs sleep...It was scary living with someone like that cos i never knew when he was going to get fired (& he was the only one working). I don't miss those days at all!
May 6, 2010 - 3:20am
Susan32
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Vampires

Friends often described my ex-N as having bloodshot eyes,and that's why he wore dark John Lennon glasses. Some surmised it was alcohol;perhaps it was the insomnia of an unclean conscience. He'd always talk about having little sleep. Some of my fellow students said he'd have rambling word salad monologues in his classes (that's as creative as he got)
May 6, 2010 - 6:25am (Reply to #28)
Barbara (not verified)
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unclean? not

what conscience would that be? THEY ARE NOT HUMAN! ~~~~~~~~~ Moving Forward: Coaching for Victims Pathologicals Feelings buried alive never die. - Alice Miller
May 6, 2010 - 9:26am (Reply to #29)
Susan32
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Heard this one?

"No rest for the wicked!" As I've said before,a Narc's eyes can be blank, their lips might lie... but the body doesn't lie.
May 6, 2010 - 1:50pm (Reply to #30)
Barbara (not verified)
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Susan32

their bodies lie all the time BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT HUMAN and you need to stop humanizing them ~~~~~~~~~ Moving Forward: Coaching for Victims Pathologicals Feelings buried alive never die. - Alice Miller
May 6, 2010 - 2:55pm (Reply to #31)
Susan32
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They think they're not human--or at least some of them do

My ex-N railed at me for daring to humanizing him. To the Narc, there are two ultimate sins- 1)You daring to be human 2)You daring to call him/her human Narcs don't like being humanized. It is beneath their dignity. My ex-N didn't like being called by his first name... even by HIS COLLEAGUES!
May 7, 2010 - 6:17am (Reply to #32)
Barbara (not verified)
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that's because...

um... BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT HUMAN!!!! period science is backing this up they are NOT Human ~~~~~~~~~ Moving Forward: Coaching for Victims Pathologicals Feelings buried alive never die. - Alice Miller
May 7, 2010 - 5:39pm (Reply to #33)
Susan32
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That would make my ex-N HAPPY

Some ex-Ns get off on being called non-human. They really REALLY like it. If my ex-N read that, he'd say, like Sally Field,"You really really love me!"
May 5, 2010 - 11:58pm
Kelly
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Needed Meds

Mine said he was dependent on a powerful anti-anxiety and powerful anti-psychotic meds to fight insomnia. He said he went six weeks without sleeping about five-six years ago and nothing else would help. I doubt he tried therapy to discuss feelings . . . better to just go on the meds and then complain about his dependency to his gf's. Scary SOB Last night I spent with him, he admitted to me that he didn't sleep hardly at all that night - EVEN WITH ALL THAT MEDICATION Arrrgghhghghghgh . . . should'ov run away a million times . . .
May 8, 2010 - 1:17am (Reply to #26)
Barbara (not verified)
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same here

same with Psycho-Boy, he had no problem taking Wellbutrin and Oxycotin when he needed it but refused to talk to a counselor... ...oh he did talk to his Rabbi after he got caught going to hookers to ask him how to handle me (told him I was stalking and threatening him - Psycho-Boy lives more than 70 miles one way from me and i have M.S.!!!)... oh yeah... and Viagra! he'd be up until dawn yanking that little thing... ~~~~~~~~~ Moving Forward: Coaching for Victims Pathologicals Feelings buried alive never die. - Alice Miller
May 5, 2010 - 11:50pm
enoughalready
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sleep

Mine said he couldn't sleep due to apnea. He snored loudly-only slept over twice. Don't know-he probably lied about that too.
May 6, 2010 - 11:55pm (Reply to #24)
sanctuary
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Mine had apnea too...and the

Mine had apnea too...and the snoring, my god, like a freight train! When I gave a shit I used to worry about him. At the end I kept hoping he'd just have a heart attack and die.
May 5, 2010 - 11:31pm
narcnarcwhosthere (not verified)
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VAMPIRES DON'T SLEEP

the soul sucking psychopath didn't sleep...not even when he was asleep....back when i was still foolish enough to sleep in the same room in the same bed with him...he kept a TV going all night long.....it drove me nuts....i'd think he was asleep....turn the damn thing off..and he'd sit bolt upright and yell at me...'i was watching that!'...... i always felt like anytime he appeared to be asleep he was actually faking it.....
May 7, 2010 - 1:04am (Reply to #22)
loveofmylife
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This made me laugh...

They fake everything.... so why not just go ahead and fake being asleep? ....then they can fake EVERYTHING they do 24 hours/day! It is brilliant! At least they are consistent!
May 6, 2010 - 10:26pm (Reply to #20)
cynthia (not verified)
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VAMPIRES DON'T SLEEP

my vampire masturbated in his coffin
May 7, 2010 - 1:01am (Reply to #21)
neveragain5
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Cynthia

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Gawd, you people are frickin' precious! :)
May 5, 2010 - 10:19pm
Amazed
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My exN used to text me all through the night

My exN would text me throughout the night,,I thought it was sweet, was thinking about me,,found out he was living with another woman,,who HE would keep up most the night fooling around with!!! He was more than ragged some days!! I don't know if you call it addicted or just what,,,
May 5, 2010 - 10:16pm
Barbara (not verified)
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why they don't sleep

once again you are humanizing the INHUMAN - if you don't stop you will get sucked back in AGAIN Ns and Ps need very little sleep because their brain structure and chemistry is soooooo different than NORMAL HUMANS, as proved by science they are chemically & structurally manic-y and disordered. Period. ~~~~~~~~~ Moving Forward: Coaching for Victims Pathologicals Feelings buried alive never die. - Alice Miller
May 7, 2010 - 5:43pm (Reply to #15)
Susan32
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No rest for the wicked

The only honest aspects of the N are the body and its language. Their faces are voids, their eyes are black holes... but their bodies tell the truth. Their bodies will not let them enjoy the sleep of the innocent;their bodies betray their betrayals. Those who lack consciences cannot live serenely. You do know in "The Scottish Play" that Lady Macbeth is unable to sleep? As does her husband? Reread the play.... Even Hamlet's murderous, incestuous uncle Claudius lacks the ability to sleep. Humans who deny their humanity do NOT live peacefully.
May 10, 2010 - 7:20am (Reply to #17)
narcnarcwhosthere (not verified)
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you seem to keep insisting, susan

that narcs and psychopaths are DENYING their humanity... that is not the case... they ARE NOT HUMAN... and... many of them don't DENY that... in fact they are PROUD of it... they feel they are SUPERIOR to lowly humans, who have emotions... exactly how long were you with this narc?... how involved with him were you?... was he actually your BOYFRIEND?...
May 7, 2010 - 8:38pm (Reply to #16)
Barbara (not verified)
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not H U M A N

why would a NON-HUMAN bother denying their reality? They have a fluid, delusional 'reality'... that isn't reality at all they NEVER acknowledge reality they are NOT HUMAN IN ANY WAY... MRIs have shown profound brain differences... NOT LIKE US... in ANY WAY ~~~~~~~~~ Moving Forward: Coaching for Victims Pathologicals Feelings buried alive never die. - Alice Miller
May 6, 2010 - 4:23pm (Reply to #11)
Healingnow
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So how

Hi, So how do there bodies cope then. Their bodies will still need to refuel and heal as everyones does. Surely their bodies will suffer, is this why they get illnesses?
May 6, 2010 - 8:13pm (Reply to #14)
Barbara (not verified)
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healingnow

they are NOT HUMAN their bodies do not suffer one single bit ~~~~~~~~~ Moving Forward: Coaching for Victims Pathologicals Feelings buried alive never die. - Alice Miller
May 6, 2010 - 6:46pm (Reply to #12)
Kelly
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LOL!

NOT HUMAN . . . I think mine was taking uppers and not telling me about it. My dad is a huge N, he does sleep, but like someone else mentioned on this thread, hardly at all at night and then you couldn't get him to budge in the morning. If he had some obligation he would drink like three cups of coffee and finally get moving. Very little sleep . . . Healthy people need at least 7-8 hours of sleep per night. Some get by just fine on 6. With N's and Psycho's, they're so disconnected from their bodies, they just run like machines. Terminator . . .
May 6, 2010 - 6:54pm (Reply to #13)
Susan32
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The irony

One of my ex-N's favorite movies is "The Terminator." That says it all, doesn't it? He'd always tell me how he couldn't sleep. We could call that no rest for the wicked.
May 5, 2010 - 10:22pm (Reply to #9)
loveofmylife
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Brains

If you have something that talks about how they can't sleep due to brain chemistry, I would love to read it! I guess you are right though...it would imply that they could feel guilt, which they don't seem to feel.
May 8, 2010 - 7:19pm (Reply to #10)
Barbara (not verified)
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brain chemistry

its in WOMEN WHO LOVE PSYCHOPATHS ~~~~~~~~~ Moving Forward: Coaching for Victims Pathologicals Feelings buried alive never die. - Alice Miller
May 5, 2010 - 10:21pm (Reply to #8)
Amazed
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That is why we cannot truly connect with them

Excellent Post!! That is why we eventually become sooooo drained from them!!!!
May 5, 2010 - 10:16pm
MsVulcan500
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Mine used to complain about

Mine used to complain about not being able to go to sleep, and I always told him I slept like a baby because I had a clear conscience. He claimed to have a clear conscience. I guess he did too because he was a god, was perfect and never did anything wrong. Must have been something else keeping him up at night.
May 5, 2010 - 10:35pm (Reply to #2)
quietude (not verified)
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sleep

What the sleep subject meant to me: Stayed up later than me: probably talking to God knows who Would sometimes wake me up: knew I hated this, I needed my sleep for work early in the a.m. (also a big part of his brainwashing, get me while I'm out of it) Would have terrible nightmares often and wake me up with his sounds and twitching. Who the hell knows if this was REAL?? He'd get up and would give me a sad guilt-trip if I didn't 'care' enough to get up with him and help him feel better. He wanted to make coffee for us at 3:00am....um, wtf?? He'd sleep like a log the latter part of the night, this is usually when I wake up sporadically. I'd mention it to him...that I notice he was sleeping like a baby, he'd deny it and say he hardly slept at all. The 'not sleeping routine' was a good excuse for him to get more sympathy from me, and it also triggered my abandonment issues (caused by him), because he'd talk about missing his country, etc..and that's why he's not sleeping. So, even when you THINK you might get a 6-8 hour BREAK from the N in the way of sleeping, you don't get a break. It's 24/7 bullsh**!
May 7, 2010 - 9:48pm (Reply to #6)
Amazed
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How they stay up at night,,,,

I think everynight for them is a time to go deviant,,,txting me to all hours,,,,sexy stuff,,I would be there in bed with the phone going,,,in my right mind,,thinking is it okay if I get some sleep,,gotta get up,,,,sleep is good!) I think he also went out on a few dates late at night,,,,even outside of the two of us he was seeing,,,he didn't seem to sleep much,,,,snored,,,and very restless, I think he has sleep apnea,,,,,
May 5, 2010 - 11:40pm (Reply to #3)
miinx
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mine hardly slept.. when he

mine hardly slept.. when he did sleep he could be woken by the slightest noise... and if you were the one who made the slightest noise that woke him.. prepare for the rage. he always raged at me about how he couldnt sleep next to me because i 'made too much noise'.. i dont snore.. apparently listening to me breathe was too much for him?
May 6, 2010 - 12:22am (Reply to #4)
M
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sleep issues

He joked how he could fall asleep on a picket fence. Narcaleptic at times. But he was restless, snored at night... the similarities are so creepy.... Michvegas
May 8, 2010 - 9:35am (Reply to #5)
agnesmurphy17
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Mine Too

My N could sleep anywhere at anytime. He said Napoleon was the same way! I guess he liked to identify with Napoleon. And, like so many here . . . he would become ENRAGED if anybody (me) woke him up. We lived in the house he wanted . . . directly on a pond. In the summer he would be annoyed because the ducks quacked. He stayed up very late to work in his study. He was an academic. I never knew if he did porn sites. I have no idea. I think he was too caught up in his work to waste time on that stuff. In fact, he always enters into "instant" relationships because chasing skirts is too much trouble because it takes time from his academic pursuits.