Upcoming Blog Talk Radio Show on Narcissism - Wednesday, June 3rd at 9:00pm

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Upcoming Blog Talk Radio Show on Narcissism - Wednesday, June 3rd at 9:00pm

Please join us Wednesday, June 3rd at 9pm CST for our third episode of "All About Him - Understanding the Narcissist in your Life"

Please respond to this post with topics you would like us to discuss and/or questions you would like us to address.

The below article posted previously by Barbara illustrates the importance of our message. Way too many people are negatively affected by abusive narcissists or pathologicals. As I've mentioned before, the prevalence of narcissism is only increasing in our times because of the way society breeds it and promotes it.

We must bring awareness to those suffering at the hands of the narcissist. It took me eight years to figure out the implications of narcissism on a relationship. People need not live in the dark anymore and with your help together we can build awareness and help others just beginning to understand the narcissist in their life.

www.blogtalkradio.com/allabouthim

60 Million Persons in U.S. Negatively Affected By Someone Else's Pathology
Posted Wed, 05/06/2009 - 06:52
by Sandra Brown, MA
'How many people does pathology negatively affect?'
We did a little math... There are 304 million persons in the U.S. 1 in 25 people will have the disorders associated with 'no conscience' which include anti-social personality disorder, sociopath, and psychopath. 304 million divided by 25 is 12.16 million have no conscience. Each anti social/ psychopath will have approximately 5 partners who will be exposed to their pathology = 60.8 million people!
(This does not include the children negatively affected and since psychopaths are hypersexual they tend to have lots of children so we could certainly tack on about half that number for children based on 2.5 children per psychopath. And sadly, this does not include all the other forms of pathology related to Cluster B personality disorders that also negatively impact others such as Narcissistic Personality Disorder or Borderline Personality Disorder. Current stats say that narcissism affects approximately 1% of the population and BPD at 2%. However, 60% of people who have 1 personality disorder have more than one personality disorder so it's likely that NPDs also have BPD or some ASPD and ASPDs have NPD and so on. So those numbers represent an overlap. (This is starting to challenge my math skills here...) But if we begin even with just the statistics on 1 in 25 have no conscience and multiply that out to figure out how many wounded people are out there -- it's a huge issue. )
The Institute's friend, Howard, who was trained in psychiatry, said "I consider this to be the country's number one public health issue." And with good reason---60 million people negatively impacted by someone else's extreme pathology. There is the emotional impact--the aftermath symptoms that leave 50% of the people with PTSD. That's about equal with the % of war vets who come home with PTSD from Iraq and other wars.
This emotional aftermath (with or without PTSD) causes treatable mental health symptoms like cognitive dissonance, intrusive thoughts, sleep disruptions, increase use of alcohol, concentration problems, flashbacks, and paranoia.
The emotional aftermath affects the work environment causing almost 50% of the persons negatively affected to have to cut back from full time to part time, be demoted taking lesser money, or go on short term disability for aftermath symptoms causing MILLIONS of dollars in lost wages. Doctors move to 'impaired practitioner status, attorneys step down to paralegals, social workers because mental health techs instead, others default to paid time off, using their vacation time, or go on disability and begin using state services such as food stamps and subsidized housing.
The aftermath also affects children who are then put into counseling, needs school-based services because of acting-out and behavioral problems, are distracted, suffer with declining grades, some will go on to have their own genetic transmission of their parent's personality disorder and others will be pseudo-affected -- acting like the pathological but without the transmission but still requiring a lot of therapy to overcome their patterns. This doesn't include the abject neglect that kids go through when being 'watched' by the pathological -- often malnourished, not on a schedule, not put to bed on time, exposed to high risk behavior (porn, drugs, lots of sexual partners, violence, other criminal types) and the child has a lot to over come. Since many of the personality disorders are parasitic by nature, they are also deadbeats by nature not paying child support (even if they can afford to) causing another drag on the government services while children need Medicaid and other benefits.
Many of the personality disordered types are also affected in moral reasoning and the levels of responsibility they take for their behavior. This includes not paying off debt which becomes written off as bankruptcies or the other partner assumes the debt placing them in financial chaos for 10 years or more while they dig out and live below their normal standard of living. Millions of dollars every year are written off and absorbed by financial institutions and credit card companies because of pathologicals causing an even bigger financial drain on our over-taxed economic system. These types also feel 'entitled' to have all the things they want so are likely to have bought luxury toys they can't afford -- more than 1 house, huge houses, expensive cars, vacations, boats, etc. and walk away from the financial responsibility.
It is estimated that over 60% of pathologicals have addictions including drugs, alcohol, gambling, and porn -- all causing millions of dollars in not only money spent on that, but money then not spent on their children, alimony, and their bills ending them up in mostly state-funded rehab programs causing yet another drag on the system.
Pathologicals are also highly litigious and don't follow court orders resulting in years spent in frivolous court activity putting a lag on the court systems either by using up court time, not following court order resulting in more court appearances, and using state appointment court resources, clogging up the court system. It also causes the partner high amounts of legal bills in fighting narcissistic-based law suits to simply spout their opinion in court or to exert power over the partner.
A moderate percent of pathologicals will be criminals using court resources, state appointment legal services, jail, prison, probation and parole services.
(Are you furious yet?)
This cluster of pathologicals with impaired moral reasoning, high impulsivity and hyper sexuality are those most likely to practice high risk sexual behaviors and thus have resulting STDs that they willingly share with others causing public health concerns.
This high impulsivity and low responsibility results in DUIs, speeding tickets, and jacked up insurance rates.
When we wonder if pathology and the lack of a national public awareness campaign is 'really' an issue we should consider that 'AT LEAST' 60 million people are being affected by someone else's pathology -- and pathology is increasing as more women have children with them and as more children are being raised by them, thus influenced by them.
http://www.saferelationshipsmagazine.com

Jun 5 - 9PM
quietude (not verified)
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Lisa

I finally got around to listening to this week's show. As always, I really enjoyed it! It brought up a thought I sometimes have regarding their 'supply': Okay, you are their main supplier. They lose interest in their main supplier, and search for alternatives which can also include abandoning that partner. They turn around days later and look to the main supplier again to come back into the relationship. Is this because once they're away, they realize they are suffocating without that main supplier? Are they too sick to realize that this could be the consequence of leaving the main supplier (lack of supply?) It still astounds me -- the "little" amount of time that passes for these polar, extreme reactions to take place. It also makes me wonder if he left because he had just devalued me 'that' much, but had no safety net elsewhere. Or, maybe he just left thinking I'd take him back for sure because I'm a sucker. Hope this makes sense. I know in the big picture this doesn't matter, I accept he is who he is...it's just morbid curiosity on my part! :)
Jun 6 - 7PM (Reply to #11)
Lisa E. Scott
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Quietude

Good question. Yes, they do start to suffocate after leaving us because it will take them time to secure a constant source of supply and this is very stressful and unsettling to them. They need to have someone at their beck and call whenever they should need their ego stroked. When they do leave us, it takes them time to secure that person. Until they do, they waiver back and forth between us and their pursuit of finding new and exciting narcissistic supply. I hope this answers your question!
Jun 6 - 9PM (Reply to #12)
quietude (not verified)
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thanks

Thanks Lisa! Makes sense. I think he really thought he could turn around and walk right back in to my life, because afterall, he just made a 'mistake'. This proved to me once and for all that his behavior is completely erratic, and that promises mean absolutely nothing to him. No honor, no ethics, no nothing.
Jun 4 - 3PM
sassyredhead
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Thank You, Lisa!

Lisa, I just wanted to say thank you for putting on the radio show. I streamed it at work today. Thank you too for your guest, who very generously shared her personal story with us!
Jun 4 - 2AM
Echo (not verified)
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Another great show

Thanks again. This show does me more good than anti-depressant meds. ;-)
Jun 4 - 8AM (Reply to #7)
malloryforest
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Show

I agree that it is better than my anti depressents. When ever I am feeling shakey, I just put on one of the shows and listen to it. Puts everything back into perspective! Thanks again.
Jun 4 - 8PM (Reply to #8)
Lisa E. Scott
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Ladies

Thank you so much for your comments and feedback on the show. You have no idea how much it means to me. To hear you say it's better than anti-depressents makes me laugh. I'm having a very difficult day today, but your kind words have made such a huge difference. You have no idea. Thanks for being there. Big Hugs, Lisa
Jun 3 - 10PM
grossot
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Show was great tonight lisa

Show was great tonight lisa and elana! I caught myself saing "oh my gosh" at the same time elana did! These people are all the same. Cut from the same mold. Makes me sad for them. Nolongercontrolled
Jun 3 - 11PM (Reply to #5)
Lisa E. Scott
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Grossot

Thanks for your feedback and thanks for listening to our show!!
Jun 3 - 7AM
Barbara (not verified)
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difference

grossot I already talked about this on the first show. Narcissism is on one end of the spectrum - Psychopathy on the other. The more exploitative, dangerous (NOT necessarily criminal) and emotionally harmful the behavior - the more the person moves up the scale to psychopathy. All psychopaths are narcissists but not all narcissists are psychopaths We have a lot of people on this list I would say are involved with Narcissistic Psychopaths. Not just Ns. Unfortunately. ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Free articles & information for abuse victims: http://abusesanctuary.blogspot.com Effective Coaching for Victims of Pathologicals http://one2one4victims.webs.com/
Jun 3 - 7AM
grossot
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Lisa,Can u or your guest

Lisa, Can u or your guest please explain the difference between narsisistic behavior and psychopathic behavior. What are some indicators of when the line is crossed into psychopathic behavior? Is there any way to not allow the control to happen anymore? I've left him yet - can see the control even more now. Is it possible for the N to be obsessed with controlling one Person for the rest of his life? Thank you, nolongercontrolled (Except I still am)
Jun 3 - 6PM (Reply to #2)
Lisa E. Scott
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Grossot

Very good question and Barbara's answer is precisely right, of course. This falls on a spectrum and at a certain point, the behavior becomes psychopathic. This is a great topic, which we could do a whole show on so if you don't mind, I'll schedule this topic for an upcoming show. That way, we can dedicate enough time to discuss it and be prepared to provide real life examples of people we see in the news every day, like Drew Peterson and OJ Simpson. I just had lunch with a reader today who made me think of exactly what you just asked: "Is it possible for the N to be obsessed with controlling one person for the rest of his life?" This is hard to answer, but as we've discussed, most N's will move on once they find a new source of supply to latch onto (i.e. another woman). However, a narcissist's need for attention is insatiable and if he can control others, he will try to do so. In other words, his new supply source will be the person he is most focused on controlling. However, if he can control others in his life, he will do so without hesitation. The difficult part for you is that you have a child with him so he knows you have to deal with him. Unfortunately, he will try to use your daughter as a pawn in order to manipulate and control you. The best thing you can do is not respond to his attempts in any way that would encourage his behavior. What I mean is when he tries to control or manipulate you, do not act phased at all. Do not show him that it bothers you in the slightest. The quickest and most efficient way to get your narcissist to leave you alone is to act completely indifferent to everything he does. Every attempt he makes to upset you, you must respond as though you could care less. He is trying to get a reaction out of you - any kind of reaction. If he can't get a good reaction out of you, he will resort to being horribly cruel so he can get a negative reaction out of you. He doesn't care what kind of reaction he gets, as long as he gets a reaction from you. By getting a reaction out of you, you validate his existence. He feels alive again. Narcissists have no sense of self and rely on others to acknowledge and validate their existence. If he can't get a reaction out of you, he will eventually give up. Act aloof to him as if you could care less what he has to say or what he's doing and it will push him away, trust me. He will go elsewhere for validation and avoid you because you make him feel insignificant. If you appear happy as can be, aloof/indifferent to him and slightly condescending he will avoid you like the plague.