Everyone has narcissistic tendencies. Some of these are healthy, such as working out or dressing well. Like anything, narcissism falls on a spectrum and to the far right end of the spectrum one will find the pathological narcissist.
Narcissists are obsessed with themselves to the point they don't see others in their lives as separate entities at all. They believe the significant people in their lives exist merely to cater to their needs. They see these people as an extension of them, similar to an appendage or arm. You've heard of the term, "trophy wife" I'm sure. This is a perfect example of how a narcissist views his significant other.
Check out my first interview that I conducted in LA at the Book Expo. It's my first one so I see I need some polishing, but my subject, Alex, is hilarious.
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He thinks it is all about him
Sun, 07/12/2009 - 19:49 — WorriedMommaof1I have been in a relationship with my son's father for over 6 years now. We have had our ups and downs and he would always tell me that I am crazy and he cannot take it anymore. I sit in my home along with my son 24/7 and he does whatever he wants, when he wants. When we have money, he is at the bar most of the time and when we are broke, he has an attitude and if I do anything remotely wrong, he will give me the silent treatment for weeks, ignoring me and doing everything that he can to make me worse. I am not able to drive and I live 800 miles away from my family. I am not working and neither is he, he expects his mom who also lives with us to take care of him. She buys hims things, but when I need something at the store, it is a huge deal. I have been a stay at home mom for a long time now and I still slave over the stove cooking dinner for everyone and then they don;t eat it, they will go and make something else. Tonight I did not cook, I said I was hungry and what did he do? Went and made dinner and fed himself and did not even leave any leftovers for me. I am stuck in a bad situation and do not know how to get out. I have been emotionally abused for a long time, he has met other girls online, which he is still talking to, he has met them at bars etc. I do not have any actual proof, but to me it seems he only wants me when my checks come in and I am supposed to take care of him, his mom and my son. Does anyone have any suggestion for me how to deal with this, I am so depressed and lost, I do not know what to do anymore and I am trying to be strong for my son.
Please Please Please
Mon, 03/08/2010 - 12:32 — ariacatherinearia-I feel your pain, and if I could give you any advice... seek counselling and bring any and all resources youcan pull on NPD. You sound like youhave lost yourself and forthat Iam so sad for you. However the good news is you can reclaim yourself. also, please do it for your son. He deserves your very best...
It is a tough journey, but you have to believe you are worth it. He will always define you in a negative abusive way... Please get help..I wish you well..
no easy answer
Mon, 11/23/2009 - 22:02 — dianalynxSince this is my first time here, I feel a bit insecure saying these things to you, but for the sake of my own healing, I really have to start talking. So here goes. While it is true your situation is unique to you, yet it seems we share much in common when talking about our horrific emotional pain, confusion and depression; This dysfunctional and addictive pattern we call our relationships with Narcissists and or BPD. First thing you can do is tell yourself the truth. Do not let yourself go back into believing the lie. Once you start to be truthful inside yourself a plan will start to formulate. If you have any spirituality left, and believe me I know they shame guilt or abuse it out of you one way or another, but if you have any left start to excercize it. Like an old worn out muscle it may be hard ot first but after awhile, your inner strength will begin to develop. Keep coming here to this site and look for a local abuse counselor. You can always go to a shelter, but make sure you have everything with you you need to legally separate yourself from him. Take all your important papers, photos etc. and put them in a safety deposit box before you make your move. Get a storage unit and start to put things in there you want to keep; He will likely take anything you leave so take what you want first.That's all I got for now. Good luck.
no easy answer
Mon, 11/23/2009 - 22:01 — dianalynxSince this is my first time here, I feel a bit insecure saying these things to you, but for the sake of my own healing, I really have to start talking. So here goes. While it is true your situation is unique to you, yet it seems we share much in common when talking about our horrific emotional pain, confusion and depression; This dysfunctional and addictive pattern we call our relationships with Narcissists and or BPD. First thing you can do is tell yourself the truth. Do not let yourself go back into believing the lie. Once you start to be truthful inside yourself a plan will start to formulate. If you have any spirituality left, and believe me I know they shame guilt or abuse it out of you one way or another, but if you have any left start to excercize it. Like an old worn out muscle it may be hard ot first but after awhile, your inner strength will begin to develop. Keep coming here to this site and look for a local abuse counselor. You can always go to a shelter, but make sure you have everything with you you need to legally separate yourself from him. Take all your important papers, photos etc. and put them in a safety deposit box before you make your move. Get a storage unit and start to put things in there you want to keep; He will likely take anything you leave so take what you want first.That's all I got for now. Good luck.
Worried Mom
Sun, 07/12/2009 - 20:24 — Barbara (not verified)call a DV Crisis Center and ask for an appointment with an advocate.... don't get into your whole story on the phone just tell them you need to talk to someone ASAP. Tell them you need transportation too.
1-800-799-SAFE (7233)
Then get someone, a friend, or a cab - to take you. Make an EXIT PLAN for you and your son ASAP!!! The DV people should help you obtaining social services, legal assistance to get support, temporary housing, etc.
In his reality is IT all about him!! You will NOT convince him or his MOMMY otherwise.
GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT!!
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the true colours of the nearly-man
Mon, 07/06/2009 - 17:48 — liselotteWhen our relationship ended I asked Alastair what on earth it had all meant to him, his reply was; "Lise, we haven't been able to dominate each other, you don't fit my blueprint, I saw you as a convenience, it's time to move on". I asked him if he understood the essence of a relationship because it seemed to me he was much more concerned with 'form'. He said to me: "Everything in life is about form and appearance". I realised I was engaged and almost married to someone who defines himself by appearance and perceived me as an object, dispensable and interchangeable.
Alastair mastered the art of shifting the blame on me and he deliberately pushed my buttons to twist the knife into my vulnerabilities. This was, of course, only after we had been together for a longer period of time. He made me feel guilty and I questioned myself many times on various things and events.
He gauged reality wrongly thinking I made him look like a fool, whereas HE was the one who was insulting my friends and humiliating me in public. His thinking was inconsistent and impaired to an extend that it DID make him look like a fool, but it was impossible to reason with him. His beliefs, attitudes and behaviours contradict each other which leads him to self-blindness.
In his opinion "I dragged him down", whereas I was the one who ended up with heart arrhythmias, I had lost 6 kilos in weight, I had moved for him (just like his ex) and in the end found myself struggling hard to get my life back in Amsterdam.
He has explained our break-up as a "gap between cultures and upbringing" impossible to bridge, but this is not the truth. With his poisonous cocktail of undermining behaviour, conforming to social and cultural norms and latent sadism (pointed out to me by my therapist) he tried to 'dominate' me and 'look good' in front of family and peers.
I am unable to produce scars, or other "objective" proof of my ordeal and I'm probably unable to communicate effectively the hurtful experiences I've been through, but I'm going to anyway.
Below I will discuss - with vivid and recognisable examples - the true colours (cynicism, paranoia, aggression, manipulation, homophobia, insults, humiliation) and the recursive, recurrent and Sisyphean failures of "the nearly-man" (this is what his friends called him back in university, typical huh...).
His father
Alastair grew up in a very traditional family featuring 'strict father morality'. His father still sets overall family policy. He taught Alastair and his brother right from wrong with strict rules for their behaviour and enforced them through punishment sometimes administered with a stick. His father is a hypochondriac who displays his knowledge about everything and anything in such a way that you feel ill at ease in his presence. He made sure to influence (in an all pervasive way) every major decision Alastair had to make; what to study, which houses to buy, his professional career etc. His father is a frustrated school principal who laughs at the 'hormonal weakness' of women and takes mean-spirited pleasure in degrading the feminine especially in front of women. From the stories Alastair told me about his family, I understand that his father absolutely hated his mother (A's grandmother).
[The child becomes a reflection of the parent, a conduit through which the parent experiences and realises himself for better (hopes, aspirations, ambition, life goals) and for worse (weaknesses, "undesirable" emotions, "negative" traits). He internalises his father's voices in the form of a sadistic, ideal, immature Superego and spends his life trying to be perfect, omnipotent, omniscient and to be judged "a success" by these parent-images and their later representations and substitutes (authority figures).]
Homosexuals, Social Standards, Army
Alastair still believes homosexuals have chosen to be homosexuals, he thinks 'they read it in a magazine' and if they really wanted to they could become heterosexual. The evidence of any biological determination (genes, prenatal environment) simply bounces off his hardened position. You might as well talk to a brick wall. When I asked him what he would do if we ever had a child who turned out to be homosexual, he said that I had probably encouraged it. When I got upset he laughed and said that he just liked to throw oil on my fire. Alastair does not approve of gay marriage nor should they be allowed to have/adopt children.
He was taken to court for beating up a guy who defended a homosexual (n.b. the displacement). This was highly inconvenient because he had applied to become an army officer in training at Sandhurst. His father at that point displayed his "Daddy knows best" attitude and took care of the situation; Alastair was not made to take responsibility for what he did. Instead his lesson was; 'If you can pay for the best attorney, you can decide yourself which laws apply to you and which do not'. He won and a couple of months later he joined the army. Talk about 'self-righteousness'...
[In order not to be immersed in his dad's narcissistic net he buried himself in a group that operates like a narcissistic family and requires identity with members' goals and ethos. It is a style of life that reinforces personal non-being.]
Domination
This however wasn't the first time he beat someone up and it sure wouldn't be the last. About a year ago he started a fight with one of his colleague-officers. I think because he depends so much on his in-group to support his beliefs, he places a high premium on group loyalty and cohesiveness. Alastair therefore thought it was necessary to teach this particular disloyal colleague a lesson because… he dared to flirt with a woman during their 'guys-night-out'. Yes, for flirting with a woman he beat the guy up (again: n.b. the displacement).
[The question is whether his aggression mainly serves a desire to dominate, or if the domination serves a desire to hurt others.]
Impaired thinking, shifting the blame
Alastair tries to convince everybody that divorce doesn't exist in Northern Ireland. In a sharp debate with friends of mine (who obviously couldn't believe him) he got me involved and said "Lise, give us one example of someone you know in Northern Ireland who got divorced". When I immediately replied with "The sister of your neighbour C., and the mother of your best mate P." (he must be joking, right?), he dismissed me with a wave of the hand and continued the discussion. The next morning he blamed ME for making him look like a fool.
[People with narcissistic tendencies have errors in thinking which prevents them from seeing things how they are from both sides of the picture. Not wanting to feel bad inside, they build defences such as denial, repression and a strong need to be right.]
Atheism, brutal honesty and hypocrisy
Another example: I asked him why we had to make our vows in a church even though he defends evolution and the non-existence of God in a very harsh way. Alastair is an atheist (just like his father) and was capable of making one of his colleagues in a discussion on that matter actually BURST INTO TEARS (!!).
[Brutal honesty, at all costs and in all circumstances – is a form of sadistic impulse. It is this kind of brutal honesty that leads us to assume that the main problem with the self-centred narcissist is his lack of regard for others.]
He told me the reason for getting married in a church was "Because it's what my mother would want me to do and because it's traditional, why no one knows". Then something incredibly ironic happened; when he told his mom we were going to get married in a church, it turned out she never had any expectation of this kind considering my 'background'. He told her off; "Now don't you start too!".
[Narcissists, in accordance with their Machiavellian mind frame, will often (want to) appear religious, especially if they are leaders.]
About marriage
Don't get me wrong, I do appreciate traditions and I respect differences in cultures, backgrounds and upbringing. I myself am from a liberal and tolerant society and I've lived in Amsterdam for over 9 years now. Many of my friends have been together for a long time, they have children but are not married. I therefore think marriage is not indispensable. But marriage according to Alastair was absolutely necessary if we wanted to have children and be 'formally' acknowledged as a couple by his family and the army.
Manipulation
There was however another, with hindsight, quite manipulative reason he had given (earlier on) for marriage; it was to make sure he wouldn't sleep around in 5 years (I had to look at it from a 'bloke's perspective'). We had a discussion about it ("lots of married people still cheat on each other!") but I didn't pay much attention to it until I remembered what he had said about the mother of a friend who, according to Alastair, stayed in an adulterous relationship only for 'quality of life' reasons (i.e. for the money). So I told him that I was never going stay in an unhappy marriage, that I would never stay for economical reasons and that I would pack my bags and leave on the first train or plane back to Amsterdam.
Alastair ordered brochures from Gretna Green (a famous Scottish wedding location) and he showed me pictures of the army houses for married couples and I warmed up to the idea of getting married. Furthermore I was going to move, leave Amsterdam to finally live with him, I looked into doing a master at the university close to the place we were going live and I really wanted to have a family, after all I had turned 30 (soon to be 31), time wasn't always going to be on my side (my general practitioner had pointed this out to me as well). What a lucky girl I was to have met this wonderful guy.
[Narcissists dance the relationship dance with you which has all the appearance of being motivated with the same motives you have. They mouth words of love and fidelity which confirm to you that you both are on the same page. Meanwhile, they feel complete aversion to real intimacy. They are not truly connecting with you on an emotional level. You are not aware of this distance. Not yet. No, they are after something very different than what you're after.]
True Colours
My expectations were slowly but surely shattered and his 'true colours' started to appear during the following year, which was truly a hell for me.
When I told him I had discussed our wedding plans with one of my best friends, he all of sudden thought it wasn't a good idea to get married yet. It all went too fast and he had second doubts... Because I wasn't the one warming him up to the idea of getting married (it was the other way around), I could understand his doubts and possible fear, so I blamed it on 'cold feet'. I decided to wait for the possibility to discuss things until his walls were down. Unfortunately there was never any possibility to discuss anything.
[When connected to a narcissist you don't know what to expect. He may tell you one thing and then do another. Something you discussed and agreed on two hours ago will be dismissed. It's as if you never had the conversation. The idea he had yesterday has changed in preference of something else today. What he agreed to do for you he won't even admit to discussing. He offers to be reliable one minute and totally lets you down the next.]
After two months I told him that I felt he was controlling the situation and deciding for us both what was happening when and how without offering alternatives whereas two months ago we were discussing marriage and having a family… and that I just couldn't understand. His reply was that he wanted us both to decide but it had to based on 'knowing each other as well as we can' (n.b. we had been together for almost 2 years).
He said he wasn't sure if I wanted to have children with HIM or just because I had turned 30... He thought if we had children that I probably wanted to be close to my family and that it therefore wasn't a good idea to have children in Holland because then it was legally easier for me to take them with me if I was ever going to leave him, and that he now was not sure that I was never going to leave him because of what I had said to him about not staying for economical reasons... And of course, I had always said I didn't want to get married, so he wasn't going to ask me if he was going to be rejected.
[This is how he reverses truths, how he spins reality, how his tactics make me feel guilty, using me as a bin to drop all HIS insecurities in. Paranoia is used by the narcissist to ward off or reverse intimacy. The paranoid narrative legitimizes intimacy repelling behaviours such as keeping one's distance, aloofness, reclusion, aggression, lying, desultoriness, unpredictability, and idiosyncratic reactions. Narcissists can't or won't trust, so they will test your total devotion.]
At that time I didn't realise this yet, I only knew I was very upset and told him we were obviously on totally different wave lengths (I was right). I didn't get any reply (typical!) but two days later I received an enormous bunch of flowers for Valentine's Day, and... guess what happened? I felt guilty for having been hard on him, and I started doubt myself; "Maybe I did make him think all that, I hadn't been clear on what I felt for him, or maybe he's just insecure, maybe my expectations were unrealistic etc etc".
[Cycles of idealisation followed by devaluation characterise many personality disorders. They reflect the need to be protected against the whims, needs, and choices of others, shielded from the hurt that they can inflict on the narcissist.]
So time went on and for two months things were more or less ok, but we somehow weren't able to discuss our 'future agenda' again. Then he told me that when he was to start his new post, he wanted to get settled in his new place in Holland on his own first and that if we were going to move in with each other we should better buy a house together. He knew that this was something I did not want to do; we were only staying for 2 years in Holland (his next post was going to be in the UK again) and it didn't make sense to me to buy a house especially if we were provided one by the army (remember; HE showed me the brochures).
[If you actually want to do what a narcissist wants you to do, that would be too much like sharing, so he will not want it anymore. By withholding whatever they know you want, narcissists make themselves feel important.]
Then he asked me to explain why I wanted to do the master and if I thought it was going to be of 'financial benefit' to us? I was shocked that I had to explain this but still tried to 'make sense' out of it and I explained to him that an English master was surely going to benefit us if I was to move with him to the UK. I also explained that I was in a professional field in which I was never going to make a lot of money and that studying was purely out of an interest to learn things... he somehow managed to make me feel (again) guilty about it. He told me I needed to get balanced in what I wanted.
One evening however I couldn't ignore my 'gut-feeling' anymore and I phoned him up very angry and upset asking him to be clear on where we stood. He didn't say anything and hung up the phone to never answer again.
[The silent treatment (feigned apathy; cold-shoulder, silence, distance and ignoring you) is a punishment used by abusers to make you feel unimportant, not valued, not cared about and completely absent from the abuser's thoughts. The silent treatment is CONTROL and a safe means for them to avoid any 'uncomfortable' topics, issues in the relationship, or issues within himself.]
In an extremely angry email I wrote him that I was fed up with him and the army, fed up with him hanging up the phone on me and I told him to go f**k himself. A week later he wrote me an e-mail saying "he had been on an emotional rollercoaster but that he was not angry and totally understood my 'worries and concerns' (n.b. how it now had officially become MY problem) about life with him and that he wasn't sure enough about what life had to offer me outside Amsterdam to convince or persuade me that everything would be great". To 'reassure' me he said he wasn't looking for other women but he just needed to clear his head... (n.b. the manipulation again!!)
He ceased all communication and ignored me for another two weeks. I wrote him a card saying I was sorry for the things I said and wished him good luck for the Belfast marathon he was going to run the following weekend. He phoned me up just after he finished the marathon and I - relieved we were on speaking terms again - congratulated him on his accomplishment. He told me his parents (who live in Belfast) did not come to watch him and that he didn't know anymore what he had to do to impress them (kinda weird: 33 year old army officer still wanting approval… but then again; his parents didn't blink an eye, that's strange too..).
[Mirroring is a theory developed by Heinz Kohut whereby children have their talk and accomplishments acknowledged, accepted and praised by others, e.g. parents. It is important for a child's legitimate feelings of grandiosity to be mirrored by its parents. Children who do not get enough mirroring (admiration, attention etc.) are considered by many psychologists to be at risk of developing a narcissistic personality later in life.
If the child does not feel his parents love him for himself, apart from accomplishments, he will develop what object relations theorists call the "false self," the self that is fabricated in order to get the approval of his parents, based on the ability to achieve good grades, a good job, a good mate, etc.]
A week later he asked me if I still wanted to come to England, he was doing a course there and we had already booked this flight a couple of months ago. I told him I did, thinking this was finally going to solve things. When I was there we discussed a couple of issues and he literally said I needed to know that if I wanted to be with an army officer, the relationship was only going to work if I was willing to sacrifice. This should have been (again) a major red flag for me... but no, I really thought that this was realistic and said that I knew how important his work was for him and that I would never expect him to leave the army for me (his ex made him choose between her and the army). That I was happy to take on army-life and that I understood what it implied (thinking this would then finally convince him that I was committed and serious).
A couple of weeks later he paid me a surprise visit during a weekend in Amsterdam and of course we had a wonderful time (it always was, the peaks were high) but something happened at the end of that lovely weekend. He flew back to Bristol and on his way back to Shrivenham in the car I phoned him. He said he had been talking to his brother about the issues his brother and his girlfriend had at the time. He finished the story by saying; "But hey... my brother's just like me, in the end he always gets what he wants"…
[A true narcissist is almost totally wrapped up in themselves, and the entire world revolves around their needs and desires. The shameless sense of entitlement with which persons suffering from narcissism can impose themselves and their personal agenda on others, can be a very baffling experience to be exposed to.]
To cut a long story (I did have doubts about the relationship but he always lured me back in) short; he finished his course in England, I got my nursing degree (he didn't attend my graduation), he moved back to Holland and he proposed to me a couple of months later on a ski-trip to Germany. I left Amsterdam, moved in with him and in the end it was me who organised the wedding; designed the different evening/day, Dutch/English invitations, made appointments for the church and other locations, looked up information on prenuptial agreements/pensions, made a list of hotels and B&B's, put together a wedding list at a warehouse, and at the same time I had just started a new job, I attended a methodology and statistics class once a week (still attempting to do that master) and was trying very, very hard to make it all work.
My heart at this point had started to 'arrhythmically' signal me; "maybe I was overdoing things here", but I didn't listen. And yes; Alastair still wanted to buy a house because his best mate P. had wound him up about his new 5 bedroom house with a swimming pool in the garden. So I checked three different independent sources of info on tax, mortgages, locations etc. and I still didn't think it was a good idea but Alastair just simply ignored me (again!) and I found myself looking at houses with him the following weeks. Having a child at this point was of course a ridiculous idea, even I had to admit that and I had put it out of my head. Guess what happened? He strangely all of a sudden talked to me more and more about having a family, after all we were soon to be married and he could now imagine himself as "the daddy" of the family.
Insulting friends
In the meantime, just before Alastair was sent to Afghanistan again, we were invited one weekend to the Belgian Ardennes by my best friends Linda and Ramon. This was supposed to be a nice relaxing break but it turned into a nightmare. There were 8 other people and the first evening everyone got very drunk and Ramon had hit a nerve with Alastair by saying that he had done a great job in getting me to marry him because I would be the last person anyone would ever expect to get married... This lead into a discussion; another friend explained to Alastair that even though he wanted to get married to his girlfriend, his girlfriend did not (because she had been married before) and he said that his relationship with her was far more important than 'getting married'. Alastair got up, pointed at him and said: "This means that I WON and YOU LOST and that YOUR CHILD IS A BASTARD".
[Narcissists are individuals who lack empathy for others, are self serving, and engage in competitive conflict with others. Competitive conflict is a form of conflict resolution in which individuals perceive other's progress as interfering with their own.]
He later on said 'sorry' to me (he had no recollection of anything that happened that night) but when I suggested not to apologise to me but to P. he claimed: "Why would I, the Dutch always brag about freedom of speech, but when you tell someone the truth they are offended".
[Narcissistically impelled people are incapable of genuine expressions of remorse, because inherent in an apology is the admission that one is not needless and faultless. Narcissists cannot see how their behaviour looks to others, and if confronted by their own behaviour in another, refuse to accept it.]
This should have done it for me, right? I mean my heart was signalling me, he was insulting my friends but when I talked to my (non-N) friends about it and asked for their opinion (again major red flags all over the place) they said to me; "Lise, we all know the context in which he said things, and we all know he's just a very traditional guy" (and the wedding invitations had already been sent..).
I will discuss the events that finally led to our break-up in a minute, but first a couple of more personality traits:
Cynicism
During A's first post in Holland (this is when we met) a sergeant major (B., nice guy!) helped him with everything; getting installed in his new place, at work, being invited out in the town etc. I thought they had developed a real friendship until Alastair said something very condescending about him.
B. was divorced, he had not been in a relationship for a long time but he recently met a woman through handball (he's a coach). They had been together for 3 months when she found out she was pregnant. B. wanted to talk to Alastair about it, or at least share his story. His girlfriend wanted an abortion but B. wasn't sure. Alastair listened, wished him good luck and when he left I said to Alastair that I could see that B. was in despair. He looked at me and cynically said: "Don't be so naive, B. is only interested and keen because she's pregnant and that makes him feel good about himself. As soon as she has the abortion, he will leave her."... (Just for the record: B is still with his girlfriend).
[Narcissists are generally contemptuous of others. This seems to spring, at base, from their general lack of empathy, and it comes out as (at best) a dismissive attitude towards other people's feelings, wishes, needs, concerns, standards, work, etc.]
Another cynical worldview: According to Alastair the looting of the blacks in New Orleans during the hurricane Katrina, just showed their 'bad immoral mentality' compared to the virtuous people from California who were willing to help each other in putting out the fires around their villas. Alastair had difficulty to understand my explanation that a 'nothing to lose' situation sometimes brings out the worst in people.
[People with narcissistic tendencies have errors in thinking which prevents them from seeing things how they are from both sides of the picture.]
Break-up
One evening I came back from work and I was tired, Alastair asked me to go out and have an aperitif with some colonel. I told him I was not in the mood, I could see this annoyed him, he didn't ask me why but just asked me to make food for when he returned. While walking on egg-shells again, I told him I could make dinner for more colleagues if he wanted to invite them over.
He came back 4 hours later with two female officers and they were all drunk. One officer left quite early, the other one, K., stayed on for a bit. They were talking about a discussion she had that afternoon with a corporal. From the discussion Alastair concluded that they addressed each other familiarly (i.e. they called each other by their first names). He said that no corporal fucknuts was ever to call him by his first name. This hit a nerve with me and I told him that I thought it was rather disrespectful to call a corporal a fucknuts because in the end he's the frontline soldier who actually gets killed in a war. He looked at me (his eyes became black, I'm not exaggerating) and said: "If you think doctors speak differently about nurses, you're ignorant. In their eyes you're a NURSE FUCKNUTS too".
Voilà… that was the proverbial last straw that broke my back; if this was the man I was going to marry, I'd rather DIE. I slammed a kitchen cupboard door (3 glasses fell out) and asked K. to leave. I went nuts and screamed at him that this was the last time he was ever going to insult me or my friends again and that I was now leaving.
As I started to pack my bags he entered the bedroom and screamed with a weird hoarse voice; "Are you leaving ME? That's NOT going to happen. Here, I will help you pack your bags" and he started to pack all my bags for me… When he finished he went out to get more drunk. When he came back completely wasted on alcohol he said that I dragged him down, that he was more intelligent than me and that he just wasn't able to tell me in a 'normal way' that he saw no future for us.
[To be in control – this unconquerable drive – is the direct result of being deserted, neglected, avoided, or abused at an early stage in life. "Never again" – vows the narcissist – "If anyone will do the leaving, it will be me." He is liberated and unshackled by his own self-initiated abandonment, he insists. He never really wanted this commitment and anyhow, the relationship was doomed from the beginning by the egregious excesses and exploits of his wife or partner.
If he does not get attached – he cannot be hurt. If not intimate – he cannot be emotionally blackmailed. If he does not persevere – he has nothing to lose. If he does not stay put – he cannot be expelled. If he rejects or abandons – he cannot be rejected or abandoned. The narcissist anticipates the inevitable schisms and emotional abysses in a life fraught with gross dishonesty.
The truth is that, governed by his internal demons, the narcissist has no real choice. The dismal future of his relationships is preordained. Realizing that he is doomed to go through the same traumas over and over again, the narcissist distances himself by using his aggression to alienate, to humiliate and in general, to be emotionally absent.]
A few days later we cancelled the wedding and of course he had to explain to his parents the cause of the break-up. Guess what he told them? That we had a row because I didn't want to buy a house with him and that I slammed kitchen cupboard doors!!! His mother said that putting up with that sort of behaviour couldn't be good and that is was alright for him to reconsider marriage...
[Narcissists 'gaslight' routinely. The narcissist will either insinuate or will tell you outright that you're unstable, oversensitive and hysterical. Once he's constructed these fantasies of your emotional pathologies, he'll tell others about them, as always, presenting his smears as expressions of concern and declaring his own helpless victim hood.
He didn't do anything. He has no idea why you're so irrationally angry with him. While absolving himself of any responsibility for your obvious antipathy towards him, implying that there's something fundamentally wrong with you that makes you angry with him, he's undermined your credibility with his listeners.]
not even nearly
Mon, 07/06/2009 - 20:17 — Barbara (not verified)I don't even think they are "nearly" men.
In every true spiritual and psychological sense - they are NOT EVEN HUMAN.
They are sheer evil.
Here's my story:
http://www.lisaescott.com/forum/2009/03/16/barbaras-story
Human
Mon, 07/13/2009 - 09:35 — ChantelI agree with your comment..They don't have the emotional capabilites to connect with humans..
Isn't that why they try to de-humanize us?
They are like animals that eat their own babies...
This site is great. I don't feel so alone.
Sun, 07/05/2009 - 18:17 — jjpmercuryI am struggling to keep myself busy. It has been about 3 weeks since I got an order of protection and have had NEARLY no contact with the N I was in a relationship with for over 2 years, who was also my professor. It would take a long time to tell my whole story. I have started to blog about it and that helps. I tried to talk to him a few days ago, still not "getting it" and hoping he would sincerely apologize, especially for that night 3 weeks ago, when he strangled me in a corner. I thought he was going to kill me. I have that last event to thank for me finally getting so upset and angry I couldn't take the abuse any longer. My attempt to hear him be truly sorry ended up in threats about me dropping charges within a week, etc. He is now trying to get a lot of locals in town against me by claiming I said horrible things about them. He is at "the end of his tether", as he would say. He has no job (the college let him go for reasons I wasn't told), and blames it on me, just as everything was my fault. I'm sorry if this post is off topic. I was a little confused about where to post. He hurt me bad that night and for 2 years previous, emotionally and physically, but since there was no permanent damage (physically), he is getting charged with a mere violation, as far as I know (2nd degree harassment). Unfortunately, he will continue to do this to others, I think. He has a far away wife who he was planning to get a divorce to, or so I was told, but now all of a sudden he tells me how angry she is that I am 'trying to lock her husband up'. I've never been one to enjoy drama, but it seems to find me. I am trying to reestablish friendships and make new ones; I have been quite isolated ... everyone was always shunned by him if they had anything to do with me and I liked them. I fell for all of that. I'm not over it. I cannot talk to him anymore. He has threatened to press charges against me for abusing him. There were a couple times when he would choke me that I pushed him away and kicked him once, so he is going to try to make my life as much like h** as he possibly can. I appreciate the fact there are many online stories, forums and resources. Like I said, I am creating my own. Thank you.
JJPMERCURY....
Mon, 07/06/2009 - 21:56 — devoured_soulFor your safety, you must stay away. You ARE NOT ALONE. They all have a wife they are planning to divorce, or another woman on the side. It's their sense of entitlement. I don't know the degree to which you were involved but change the locks, etc... They all have the capacity to do serious harm or worse. Once, I thought my N was going to rape me and another time, he did some wrestling choke hold manuveur on my neck and his muscles are so huge, I almost lost consciousness. When I got upset and explained how it felt and hurt, I was "over-reacting". I have never been close to feeling like I did on those 2 occasions. Rape and strangulation. That is not love. That's control of a narcissist. They have no value for you or even your life. Stay on this site and read, read, read. It has helped me immensely. Dont "try to talk to him" HE WILL NEVER GET IT. LET THAT SOAK INTO YOUR BRAIN. HE WILL NEVER GET IT. TO HIM, THERE IS NOTHING FOR HIM TO GET. Kudos for filing the protection order, don't stop now. You have taken a postitive step in the right direction so now just know his "apologies" are bullshit so don't give in...DON'T GIVE IN. DON'T FALL PREY TO HIS MANIPULATION. YOU DID NOT ABUSE HIM, THAT PIECE OF SHIT... FEEL THE BURN, RELISH THE HATE.
Thank You
Tue, 07/07/2009 - 21:20 — jjpmercuryI am living on campus until the new semester begins in the fall, so he shouldn't be able to get to me easily...the UPD have a copy of the OOP. Both Rape and strangulation are so scary. I thought I was going to lose consciousness the last time he did it, too. He always said I was overreacting or that I was so middle class and just didn't know how most other working class people lived and he grew up that way, etc. Things are not perfect now and it's going to be a long road ahead, but I feel so free in some ways. I can actually do things I want. I don't even have to worry about being on the computer on "waste of time" websites. This site is so helpful and I will keep reading and listening. Thank you!
My N and me...
Tue, 06/30/2009 - 18:00 — devoured_soulI have studied for hours a week about NPD. I am hoping by sharing my story that I will gain closure. But I know that's not the case.
Like everyone else who has been involved with an N, the beginning was amazing. I never felt more love from someone or for someone. The shattered dreams left me where I am now...
When I met him, he was in "the process of a divorce". 23 years into their 28 year marriage, she fell in love with another man. She broke off the affair, alledging no physical infidelity, and he spent the following 5 years trying to win back her love to no avail. She filed the papers about 9 months after our romance ensued.
His disclaimer all along was that even though he was no longer with her, he still loved her. But he loved ME, too. He said he needed me to help him get over her and I thought I could. But he wanted her (still an NS) AND me...the major NS. The N will take all they can get from whomever they can get it.
The entire relationship was laced with lies and deceit. I never had the smoking gun, though. His ability to lie his was out of his lies was unreal. And I bought it. Every time. But I knew in my gut otherwise.
He would treat me horribly when he knew he was going to be with her, or after he had been with her. It all started to add up... the texts he wouldn't return in a timely manner...the calls he wouldn't answer, the stories regarding his whereabouts that just didn't make sense. Once he said he had dinner with a male friend at a particular restaurant. He evidently did not know that the place had been closed for months.
In mid December this past year, he told me his therapist told him to not see either of us for 30 days. That left me all alone for the holidays and of course he would see her...they have 2 adult children and a grandchild. He had knee surgery the day after Christmas and she was there. I found out recently that not only was she there, he stayed at her house for a few days. (He told me his son was going to take him and she just "showed up"). It was MY role and she was in it. His "sense of entitlement" says: I CAN HAVE WHATEVER I WANT. MY EX, MY GIRLFRIEND... AND SHE (me) WILL PUT UP WITH MY BEHAVIOR. And I did.
One of the last times we got back together, he seemed to have changed. He included me in everything, introduced me to people I had not met (brother, best friend). It was like the beginning all over again. He did and said all the right things. But my gut was still telling me otherwise. Then one day, on a whim and for the first time, I looked at his cell phone. The most recent sent call was to her, the night before, at 1:37am. I asked why and his story was wrought with holes. I "bought" it again, and then I got smart. I called the ex. She informed me that he sometimes calls her in the middle of the night when he can't sleep. Nice, huh?
When I first turned to the net for answers, I googled "games men play". I felt like I was being "played". That lead me to emotional abuse links which led me to NPD. Bingo. I found my demon.
Textbook classic. The pimped out truck, the closet FULL of designer clothes. The well over 6 figure income while my house went into foreclosure while we were still together. (But he paid her mortgage even though he did not have to). All the social circles he belonged to. How he would always have a story to top the one he just heard from someone else. His vanity about his looks. Excessive body builder. How he took off his shirt everytime I got my camera out. How I'd see him watch himself in the mirror if he nailed me in the bathroom.
My head is spinning at this very moment just recalling all this stuff. I am leaving out gaps and stories that would repulse someone who has never had the misfortune of knowing an N and give flashbacks to someone who has known an N.
On a few occasions, he randomly said, "Do you think I use you for sex?" Um, yeah, now that you mentioned it. We engaged in sexual activity everytime we were together. Which was just about every day. Then it started to get weird. Like "rape fantasy" sex, he got physical, pinning me down and saying, "don't try to fight it, you know you want it."
We are not together. About a week ago, after my relentless studying, I broke it off. He came over one night on the pretense of bringing my daughter a graduation card and he was so apologetic, begging me to take him back, etc... At one point he embraced me and whispered in my ear, "I'm so sorry, Patty." My name is Lisa. Patty is the ex.
Yes, he has tried to contact me only to tell me that he does NOT assume full responsibility and that I have to deal with MY demons. My only demon is him. And I will battle that demon for quite some time. He devoured my soul, zapped my energy, forced me into therapy and internet searches. The depression has led to physical problems. And I thought I was a strong 42 year old woman. I've raised my daughters on my own, always a survivor. And I have been reduced to this...
THANK YOU FOR LISTENING.
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Mon, 07/13/2009 - 06:29 — ChantelI read your story and feel it is my own..I am devastated and wonder if I will ever be the happy; confident and secure person I was before him..I have turned to the internet for help..people who have had or are in relationships like mine and will truly understand the complete distruction a person like this can cause..
I want to understand how I got to this point..how did I allow this to happen..so....like you...I search day an night for answers to help make myself strong again..something to keep me from calling him or texting him..I don't want the abuse anymore..
Inside..I cannot stop the pain...it is like a bottomless pit.
But...I need to fight this life and death game with myself..I have children and friends and family who love me and care about me..I am only a shell of who I once was..and I desperatley want and need to "feel" normal again..Maybe it will be a new normal..
Chantel...
Tue, 07/14/2009 - 22:13 — devoured_soulI cannot stop the pain, either. I hate it, i dont want it, but its there. In my thoughts during the day, in my dreams at night, reliving the pain via dreams about him. I want it to stop. It IS a bottomless pit. I keep clawing to get out only to slip on the sludge lining the inside, feeling my feet never hitting the bottom. Where's the bottom? Where is it????? Kicking and screaming. Praying and praying but I don't know what I am praying for. "God, please give me.....". I dont know how to finish the sentence. Give me closure? Never will happen. Give me strength? Help me to not lose my house? Help me feel normal? Give me my life back? WTF am I praying for or what am I supposed to be praying for? Do I ask why? Do I pray for peace? Knowledge? Not being able to grasp this is hard since I have no connection with the N mentality. If I dont "Get it", it's insanely hard.
Here's to a NEW NORMAL................
To fight alone..............
why?
Tue, 07/14/2009 - 22:32 — Barbara (not verified)why are you fighting alone?
why?
you do know without help PTSD can become permanent...
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Chantel
Mon, 07/13/2009 - 12:27 — Barbara (not verified)while the internet and places like this are good support I can't stress ENOUGH how important it is to FIND A THERAPIST AND GET HELP.
Get a copy of Lisa's book & read it.
Get a copy of WOMEN WHO LOVE PSYCHOPATHS and read it.
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Devoured_soul
Sun, 07/05/2009 - 10:47 — free2bmeI read what you wrote and I was empathetic and moved as my story was being somewhat highlighted by your words. I want to encourage you though in one thing and Hopefully, it will serve as a reminder to you. You were and are and most likely always have been strong somewhere inside of yourself or I woundn't of been reading your words today. That took some Guts and guts don't come from weak people. You are a survivor need I state again... I read your words that means you survived. You have been reduced to nothing. You are the same you that fought bravely when nobody heard your words. You raised your daughters alone. Not an easy task for two parents to do and you did it alone. What you need is a good look in the mirror while you remember all that you did do and be proud of that as I am sure your daughters are. You could of quit or given up or worse yet... given in and still be with him but your not and for that you should be proud of yourself!
To resolve to be reduced is to say he wins at his game so GET up and on with your life because you deserve happiness. If you did it for your daughters and you did it for him then you have it in you to do it for YOU!!! Good luck in this new chapter of your life. You hold the pen that writes the rest of your story so... Happy writing! ~ Deb
Deb, Thank you. Your words
Mon, 07/06/2009 - 22:05 — devoured_soulDeb, Thank you. Your words of encouragement meant alot to me. I loved your last line....so true! I hope i can write about kicking it into high gear somehow to save my house from foreclosure.
My 23 year old daughter just graduated from college and she did it on her own. I was never in a position to help her financially except to let her stay home rent free (of course). I helped as much as I could. So I AM proud (now that you mentioned it!) and I guess I am stronger than I gave myself credit for. I hope that soon I can post how I got my house back. That will be some happy writing!!! -Lisa
Happy Writing!
Thu, 07/09/2009 - 17:34 — free2bmeLisa,
It is my sincere HOPE that all goes well for you in regards to your house but if things don't work like you would like them to please know... That atleast you got YOU back and with that you can do whatever it is you need to do for yourself. It's a long road sometimes but your NOT walking it alone. It may feel like that at times but trust me... your not. Here's a truth for you. Oftentimes we spend a considerable amount of time looking on the outside for our answers to our questions. We search in different places desperately at times looking for something or someone to fill that empty place in our being. It's wonderful to have someone to SHARE our lives with but bot to suck it dry. Relationships should always enhance each other and never be lopsided, if you know what I mean. I can tell your a giver but what happens when your well has been sucked dry? That's why if the other person doesn't give in any relationship there is nothing to refill your well. The hardest part we encounter on our search for the answer is looking inside of our ownselves. If we can get past the baggage and sort it out. Look at what we need and disgard of the rest and dig alittle deeper we will find something that was in a most UNEXPECTED place. If we DARE to look deep enough we will be able to say atlast... Therein Lies the TREASURE! We had it all along buried deep down inside of ourselves. Relationships are wonderful but everything you need to believe in... to hold onto... to TRUST is inside of you! You go Girl... Give & take is normal in relationships but Give and Give and Give is not. Be good to yourself and it's o.k., matter of fact it's a wonderful thing to be on the receiveing end too! Always remember: Therein Lies the TREASURE. Nobody can do for you what you can do for yourself so be good to you! Happy Writing... however the story ends up You are worth finishing it up your way!
devoured
Tue, 06/30/2009 - 21:21 — quietudewelcome! Thanks for sharing your story, you probably have seen many similarities to your situation on the website. Keep reading, this is a wonderful support group, lots of wisdom here!
We all know how it feels to be 'reduced', they do their best to bring us down. But getting them out of our lives is the beginning of our recovery. It takes time, and everyone has different time frames and needs.
Take care of yourself, we are here when you need us!
My Boyfriend is Dr. Jekyll & Mr. Hyde
Tue, 06/16/2009 - 08:19 — The Narcissists...Nearly three years ago, I was in a happy place in my life. I enjoyed being alone about equal to being with others, I was confident, positive about life in general, had good friends, an interesting job and I was 'dating smart'...and it seemed like a good time to look for someone special to share life and activities with. At the time, I was fairly choosey who I would date. I was careful not to get too involved, and would stop dating someone if I saw even a hint of any 'red flags'.
A friend of mine told me that I might like to try internet dating so I could choose who I would like to date, instead of just wait until someone asked me out. I had never tried it before, so I created a nice profile (carefully) on a reputable singles website, and right away I began to make friends and go on some very nice dates. The minute a fella would 'push' for sex, or I saw something in his character or anything that seemed like a red flag, I would quit going out with him. I actually met a few seemingly really nice guys, with whom I actually have remained friends with, because I felt no attraction other than 'friends'. I thought I was being careful and smart about dating...felt ready for a mutually healthy relationship.
Then one day, I get an email from a guy who sent me a nice introduction about himself. I checked out hs profile, and he seemed to be looking for the exact same things as me! He had a very nice photo of himself, and a few of him with his 2 boys, he was previously divorced and had a steady job. He liked sports, didn't smoke or take drugs...and lived a healthy lifesyle. He said he was looking for a long term relationship that would perhaps lead to marriage one day. He said he was tired of the 'dating and bar scene' and wanted a lifetime companion to share happy experiences, dates, make memories and a to have a happy future with.
He appeared ideal. (that would later be a phrase I repeated to myself and others a number of times since) He APPEARED to be ideal. We soon were exchanging emails throughout the day, and speaking on the phone..which led to wonderful dates...and soon we were inseparable. We enjoyed the same things, and we had some of the best dates of my life. He was affectionate, romantic, sexy, smart, educated, AND tall dark and handsome...a REAL gentleman...he opened doors for me, always walked me to my door, he was socially gracious with me and others (I was watching for any sign of a 'red flag')...he WAS ideal...a KEEPER! He called me his 'angel', and I felt so lucky. We waited to become intimate for about 2 months (although we held hands and kissed everywhere we went) People would smile at us where ever we went...as we looked so happy...and we WERE! I was delighted with him, and thanked God and my lucky stars.
During the day when we were working, he would call me a couple of times, and we would exchange frequent emails. We were together every night for a date, and every weekend. After about 3 weeks he held me close and said he wanted to be my 'everything' because I was his 'everything'. He also said "I love you". I was so completely smitten with him, so delighted with our new budding relationship...that I only barely noted this was a bit too soon for him to be declaring such important words to me and asking for the same from me. I always prefer to take things slowly in a relationship, and don't think it is possible to actually 'be in love' with somene until you have known them for a while...at least 4-6 months or more...but I was in bliss with him...thought he had been sent from heaven above! He was wonderful in what appeared to be every way, the kind of man your parents tell you that you should be looking for, even had what appeared to be a very close family...It was his amazing smile I couldn't wait to see each day...and so I ignored what I would look back and recognize as blaring red flags. I did not see them. Or rather, I didn't WANT to see them, so I denied they were there.
We dated for a few months, and then on Easter Sunday, we had dressed up, went to church together, then spent the day celebrating the holiday with his family. It was the first time I had met them, and they immediately embraced me as part of the family. It was a wonderful day. My BF held my hand and was appropriately affection and attentive in front of his family...a public declaration of his deepening affection for me and our growing relationship...his parents and others smiled often at us...again another wonderful memory of a delightful time together...I only barely noticed when he said he was going to take me home around 7pm and call it a night, and accepted this as fine with me, as we had, after all, been together the entire day...I only barely wondered 'why'...when he dropped me off at the corner of my street...to walk by myself to my apartment, ...using the excuse that my street went only one direction, and it would save him some driving time if I didn't mind him just dropping me off there...instead, I said it was 'okay'...and walked from the corner down the street to my apartment alone...dreamy eyed about the day...and pretending this 'one little time' he didn't walk me to my door was 'no big deal' in the grand scope of everything else...
Only now do I see the reality of myself practically stumbling in my dress and heels down the steep street to my apartment door...carrying a full basket of goodies and jugging a box of left-overs from our Easter meal his mom had sent home with me....only in hindsight was I curious when remembering that his mom had told me on Easter, while I was helping her with the dishes in the kitchen, that she was taking care of the boys for him that night because my BF had arranged a very special date for us that evening...I excused it all to myself...telling myself he must be tired and had changed his mind and that he needed to go home and get some sleep.
I did not know he was hurrying off to a date with someone else...and ex girlfriend. Only nearly a year later would I find a letter from her that she wrote to him dated that very Easter Sunday. He had left it downstairs by the computer and must have forgotten it,(perhaps I shouldn't have read it, but when I saw it was from an ex-girlfriend and I was curious)...she had written about how angry she was at him for continuing to try to get back together when she didn't want to see him, said there was no point in his continuing to call her and come over...and to push her for sex that very Easter night had upset her, especially when he gt angry for not getting his own way about it...she wrote of all the lies and abuse he was capable of, telling him to leave her alone and to get some help for his cheating and lying and violent temper...I felt sick at heart when I read it...confused and upset. When he came downstairs later, he could tell I was a little distant and thinking something over...then he saw the letter he had left open and sitting by the computer...He asked if I had read it, and I confessed that I had, and began to cry...
Can you believe he was able to LIE so well, he had me convinced she had put the wrong date on the letter, that she had written it the year before, just after they had broken up, and that she was vindictive and jealous...and abusive to HIM!!??...and because I wanted to believe him...I did. Only vaguely, in the back of my mind, did I start to add up the events of the Easter Sunday evening...when he dropped me off at the corner of my street, seemed in a hurry to get home and get some sleep...his mother mentioning a 'special date' he had planned...one WE did not go on together...But I shut these things out of my mind. After all...he had NEVER shown signs of lying to me, or of cheating...not ever! He had never seemed like a man even capable of the vile things she wrote about...he had nevr seemed abusive in the least with me or anyone...for the entire year that I had known him.
We had spent an entire year of what I felt was a most wonderful relationship full of fun and memorable dates and tme together. Our affection for each other, our trust and love had grown deeper. He had fostered and nurtured our relationship very carefully. He appeared to have the qualities of honesty, decency, goodness...even appeared stable...and I did not see the underlying truth...until much too late...
FAST FORWARD...I am still with him...which seemes difficult to understand...after I tell you what is actually true of him...We have now been tgether, actually now live together (at his absolute insistance, and after much of his pressuring me, I finally gave in, although I have been smart enough to still keep my own apartment too)
Here is how the 'bubble burst'...and my dream turned into a nightmare. After we beagn to live together...he was unable to hide everything so well about himself. I learned that in our entire first year of such a wonderful, honest, inseparable and happy dating...that during the day from his office at work...he was STILL on singles dating websites (about 10 of them, some used only for sex and one night stands)...he was emailing ad instant messaging with other women thorugout the day...even meeting them for coffee and lunches (sometimes taking 2 hour lunches, which later got him fired from that job)...and sometimes ending up at the hotel across from his work I now suspect after'knowing' who he really is an what he is REALLY cabable of.
Remember that letter from his ex? It was dated CORRECTLY. It was that VERY Easter Sunday that he dropped me off in a hurry at my corner and he drove off to go see her...to try to talk her into seeing him again...and when that didn't work...trying to talk her into having sex 'for old times' sake...How do I know that now?...I have since spoken with her...when I started to find out abut all his lies and his cheating.
What blew me away was that he was such a good actor!!!! the whole time!!!...I NEVER knew he was cheating the entire time. It still confuses me how he was able to pull that off. To be able to lie so well and hide the truth so well!!! All the time we spent together...how happy we were together...how he was so eager to always be with me...what a gentleman he aways appesred to be. It was all only really his false self...the persona he wanted me to see...Reconciling who he really is has been a very difficult task. It has been the confusion between what I thought he was...and what he really IS...that has kept me stuck...as if I am still hoping he will become that man I met and thought he was once again...and sometimes when he knows I am ready to leave him...he will pretend to be again to get me back home with him...
I also found out this refined and wonderful appearing man, with whom I have a bond that is now hardto break...has a history of extreme violence. He had been arrested for beating his wife so severely...and he actually had to go to trial for it...which proves the severity of his abusiveness. He beat me for the first time at Christmastime this year (I had found out he was cheating on me with a co-worker and he was irritable with me, wich I confrinted him about,...so his solution was to become physically and verbally violent with me)...and I left him...staying at a shelter for over a month and now I receive counseling for his verbal/emotional abuse as well...He went to counseling exactly twice...that's it! Because he decided he just 'sometimes has a bad temper and might go too far'...but that he is, according to himself, ...a 'truly good guy! The best' and that I should feel 'lucky' to have him because he is basically so wonderful' and there are alot of women at his work who 'want' him." He has been described to me by one of his co-workers as VERY popular with the ladies at work...(I am fairly sure no doubt they have already HAD him)
They don't know...just like me at one time,...the real truth about him that he so deftly hides...They dont' know he has a huge record for domestic violence and rage committed gainst his wife and past girlfriend before me. They don't know the real reason he does not share custody of his boys with their mother, no one but his family, his ex's and me know the 'real' him...and hardly anyone knows he has current criminal charges and going to trial this year for assault, death threats and destroying another's property...and THIS time there were many witnesses...even his attorney has warned him he is going to lose this one and the criminal charges will be on his record...No one but me witnessed his beating and abuse of his boys this last weekend before I could stop him and stand up to him to protect them. No one knows his incredible ability to lie...he is virtually undectable...he is SO pathological...
He APPEARS to be the most involved, playful and loving fathers...he APPEARS to be one of the most wonderful men you could ever meet. He APPEARS to be 'MR. RIGHT"...but he is truly the worst possible "MR. WRONG"
I can see now...ALL the truth. And I am making my plans for escape...he has said if I leave him...he will kill himself...or kill any man who is ever with me...and after seeing that violent side of him, I know he is cabable of doing so, so I am being careful, saving and planning to mmove away. He is like OJ Simpson, Scott Peterson, Drew Peterson...and that ilk. (note the pic on my profile of his beautiful smile hiding the reality within) He should have a warning stamped on his forehead...as knwing him has caused me damag...to my heart, my confidence, my self-esteem, my ability to trust...and to trust myself to even know now who is good and who is not...worst of all...this has hurt my very spirit and diminished my personal dignity...
Thanks to being able to read others stories...to read about Narcissism and psychopahtic pathology...has helped me put things in a better perspective and I am finding my way back out of this dark hole I fell into...
...someday, I will be the happy confident woman I once was...and wiser for this experience hopefully...I no longer care if I meet a man and had a partner in life...I just want to be me and know who I am again...I don't want to be a mirror for my narcissistic BF any more. And that is all I really am for him...nothing more...
My Boyfriend is Dr. Jekyll & Mr. Hyde
Sun, 06/21/2009 - 06:35 — JamesThank you so much for sharing your story. It’s important to share one’s personal experience whenever involved with a dysfunctional and abusive relationship.
One thing I find so interesting and sad is how there isn’t a lot of “warning” sites and public articles/pamphlet's warning the general public about these types of people. We see pamphlet's concerning religion cancer health risks swine flu and STD’s. But never had I a seen and/or have someone walk up to me and give me a pamphlet's informing me about a Personality Disorders.
Never once saw pamphlet's listing “red flags” whenever they think they might be involved in a “toxic relationship”. Never once have I pick up a government pamphlet explaining how for those that suffer from a cluster B Personality Disorder should and needs to get help with this disorder. Alerting the readers “Do you suffer from these personality traits?”.
Not once!
Now no doubt there are some out there, but I for one have never see one.
So whenever anyone takes their time and effect putting forth a story warning other what happens to them and might also happen to you. Telling others what to look out whenever meeting someone new and listing the many red flags that they themselves witness. I understand that many do so at great risk to themselves and those closest and nearest to them, but still they do it wanting only too help educate and becoming that “pamphlet” for the general public something I don’t see in a police station public library or post office.
It is these people who are getting the word out and educating us who might not know what a sociopath is and I for one thank each and everyone of you..
Again Thanks for taking the time to share your story.
Your Story was amazing
Sat, 06/20/2009 - 15:11 — libbisueI read your story with rapture, I am still trying to recover from an off and on again relationship with a naraccistic man and I stayed with him for 15 years, but only lived with him for 1 year before I asked him to leave my place because I could not longer take all the emotional and verbal abuse he was heaping on me.Too this day he has no clue as to why I asked him to leave .He would throw me away like a dirty rag and then after a few months or more, would call me up and I came running back to him like a puppy dog. I just must have thought that "my love" would cure him of his violent temper and low self esteem, but how foolish and naive Iwas!Luckily I never married him, even one of his ex wives told me she came out of the marriage alot poorer.He once said to me,"that I never loved you, I just wanted us to get a house together so i could drive you off a cliff and get the house", when I called him on the comment years later, he said he was just joking!!??
Narcissist's Girlfriend
Tue, 06/16/2009 - 11:33 — Barbara (not verified)Get away from him!! NO CONTACT!
http://cyberpaths.blogspot.com/2007/01/predator-narcissist.html
http://cyberpaths.blogspot.com/2007/04/thoughts-on-cyberpaths-from.html
He's a Narcissistic CYBERPATH!
You Deserve Better!
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Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hide
Tue, 06/16/2009 - 09:18 — MarieMy heart is with you. I'm so sorry to hear your story it sounds so much like my own. It's been taking me forever to get over all he put me through. All the same things you've experienced. I too thought it was one of the greatest relationships, he made me feel so special and our relationship (in my mind) was so wonderful. Until the day I found him leaving online away messages for his previous girlfriend begging her to contact him that he loved her. It was devastating. Then finding pins and other little trinket type things with her name on it. When I confronted him with it he claimed they were old and he had never gotten around to giving them to her. I pressed further because there were receipts with things that were recent purchases, he tried to wiggle out by saying the date must be wrong. He too is very popular with the ladies until they get to "really" know him. I learned a little too late what a psychopath he is and now can't get rid of him. I hate him so much!!!! And yet he can still tug at my heart strings, he just has that smile and that way about him but I remind myself he is evil. I remind myself that the person I fell in love with doesn't exist. It's so hard to believe I'm 46 and fell for such a lying creature but they are evil con artists.
Always when I think my life has gotten back together and I'm feeling good again that's when he pops back in. He always pops back out again. It's really very sick because when he's around he acts as if nothing has changed. As if we are still together when I know we most certainly are not. I know he's actually been pursuing this other woman. Every once in awhile I want to contact her to tell her how messed up he is. That if she lets him in he'll mess up her life too. I stop myself because so many people think he's the greatest guy. HA! If they only knew what I know. Can you imagine the rest of what I don't know. The thought makes me shudder.
I wish I could get rid of him. When he comes around he wastes so much of my time and it's emotionally draining. It dredges up all my past feelings for him and I remember being so happy. It's hard to realize it was all just a lie. It's made me question whether love really does exist and how do you know when it's real. It all seemed so real the life I had with him. I consider myself a fairly stable woman. It's always the same though he finds his next victim and he's gone again. Then I'll see him avoid me or pretend not to notice me at the super market. One day like you I will have my life totally back to myself. Until then everyday that goes by without him in my life I mark with a smiley on my calendar. I've also been keeping a journal recounting all the painful things he's done to me over the past two years so I'll never be tempted back.
I wish you well it will take a long time to recover. It's been almost a year for me and deep down I know I'll never be the same. It will be very hard to trust again.
Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hide
Tue, 06/16/2009 - 10:18 — The Narcissists...The Narcissists Girlfriend
I also read your story Marie, and it sounds so much like mine. I have a feeling that if we gals ever got together to share our stories in peson, we would find these guys have some of the exact same behaviors and our stories are as if they are about the very same guy!
My narcissitic BF is 45 and I am the same age. He is into porn all the time too, something I did not know about until long after we lived together. He has a porn/sex addiction, and it is pretty bad too. I have long since given up ever talking to him about how it affects me...or us. The first time I came home and found him viewing porn and pleasuring himself I was so confused and upset to actually witness it, (and he didn't even notice me as he was so into it) that I went to the bathroom and threw up...he had been viewing it literally for hours (something I now know he does quite often)
I reget I did not leave him sooner...and stay gone permanently...as it is weird how each time you accept him back into your life...allowing yourself to believe his lies...you lose more and more of yourself...and it makes it all that much more difficult to leave...even when you can recognize you are slowly learning to accept the unacceptable...just to have 'good' moments from time to time...just to have him reward you with small glimpses of the man he used to pretend to be...the man you THOUGHT he was...giving you tiny crumbs of hope he will be once again.
...it is s hard to give up that dream of your 'pefect' relationship, and that your 'Prince Charming' he acted as, that 'Knight in Shining Armor" is gong to suddenly re-appear and erase all the things you have now come to know about him...that he is actually an imposter of the worst kind...without shame and without remorse...and is nothing like the man he pretended to be...unless he is manipulatng you and others...unless he wants something...
...even when you see that you are starting to change yourself...to accomodate his reflection of who he needs you to believe him to be...and everytime you try to live with the confusion of who and what he actually IS, something inside YOU changes, something insde YOU breaks or bends to accept
How could he have so much power, when all he actually is...is a lying, cheating, abusive, destructive, projecting, angry raging and sick child who has an insatiable need for validation and attention...
not a pretty picture...nothing to actually dream about at all except in a nightmare...
So much for ever finding 'the man of my dreams'...I will accept a decent guy who is REAL right from the start from now on...!!!
Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hide
Wed, 06/17/2009 - 07:14 — MarieThank you for taking the time to respond to me. It's been a tough year trying to make sense of it all. I've talked to friends and read lots of relationship help guides, none of which was much help. Some things were really inspiring but nothing touched on what the real problem was: mental illness. It's quite clear to me that's what this man has. I'm glad I never took him up on his offer of marriage what a nightmare that would have been. Your guy sounds like an exact copy of mine with the same porn addiction. I also learned he spends hours doing the exact same thing. I know guys looks at porn but this is something more. It's had a negative impact on his life. One day he actually admitted to me to having been up all night looking at porn. He's in financial ruin now soon to be out in the street with his kids. Sad that instead of looking for a job he'd rather spend hours pleasuring himself or trying to get money in underhanded ways. At least his kids are almost grown, somehow he got custody don't ask me how.
My life when I met him was a little boring but stable. I run my own business so I'm always busy with something. My business almost went into the toilet because of him and all the chaos he brought into my life. In my life I've had bouts of depression but haven't had any in many years until him. When this all came crashing down last Aug I fell into a black hole it was so hard to pull myself out. My business was failing, bills mounting and to be honest I wasn't pleasant to be around so friends stayed away. Who wanted to hear me rehash the whole thing over and over. Now I realize unless you're involved with one of these psychos you don't really get it. It's not the same as an average relationship just not working out and then you move on. These guys leave emotional, mental and financial disaster in their wake. I'm glad I kept a journal because it keeps it real. Don't like to relive the pain of his abandonment but like to remind myself what he's capable of since he still tries to win me back. Once a new lady name appeared on his bud list in August that's when he began distancing himself. He also began lying about how he was never online any longer but I watched. He would leave messages to this new lady when he'd be back on. If it said 10, 11 or 12 there they would be on at that time and off at the same time. At first thought maybe it was a coincidence but everyday? There were times he'd rush me off the phone saying he had to take care of something. So I'd check and her name would be on with away message, as soon as he logged on the away message would go off. I also discovered that where this lady lives is across from the park where we would sit. One of my favorite things to do with him would be to make up a picnic lunch and go for a walk in this park. We spent so many happy afternoons there. After our walk we'd sit on this bench to just talk, I never realized for him it was a chance to spy on his next victim. It made me so furious when I figured that one out.
I still have her name on my bud list, her amount of activity or lack of always coincides with appearances or disappearances of him in my life. He did have a Facebook account and there were nothing but women on there. Since finding out I had one too within a day or two his disappeared. He claims he got rid of it but I'm not THAT dumb. He doesn't want me talking to any of his lady friends I'm sure. The online stuff really helped me figure out what a liar he really is. He would tell me how much he missed me but I began noticing this funny phenomenon. I have two different account names one for family/friends the other business. I'd sign on to check family/friends then business. Always within 5-10min of signing over he would sign on, I noticed this the most right before he dumped me. So I know he has another name, I've since blocked my name.
Our relationship lasted two years and he just vanished one day without explanation mid-July. Never online, never answered the phone, didn't see him anywhere; it was like he never existed. I finally ran into him at a Starbucks one night the end of August. I should have been furious but I was so stupidly in love with him. Right away I could tell he was not happy to see me. The coward he couldn't even look me in the eye but excused himself to the men's room. I will never ever forget that moment, it is forever etched in my mind and heart. All those days and nights wondering what happened, why this other women meant so much to him (especially since she's married?) and he totally dismissed me. Between messages to his old girlfriend, his new online buddy and another woman I found he was spending lots of time with, I had a chance to meet her. By the way she looked at him asking if he'd stop by later it was enough for me. If he wanted out good riddance but you know it still hurt.
When he started coming back around I didn't know what to think but it's obvious from his actions he's totally cut any way of me contacting him off. His last being his phone cell service, he says they cut which is possible because he's in very heavy debt. He gave me another number to reach him at which I'll admit to dialing out of curiousity and guess what it says "you have reached Michele"! That's the name of his ex wife and his new victim so don't know what to make of that. He also has a habit of saying exactly what he feels if you listen carefully. He kept telling me about problems a friend and his wife were having the beginning of the summer. Next thing I know he's spending a lot of time with them or maybe with just her because during the summer I found out the husband had moved out. When I asked him how much time he spent alone with her, his defense was that his son played with her kid what could he do. I was away and every night I called he was over there, he actuallly said during one conversation that he was sorry he had ever given out his phone number or email address. Whatever.
More things I've learned is he has mostly been out of work for 8 yrs. on disability now living with his mom since his marriage failed. Scary thing I will point out to you and anyone else reading this is his ex wife is in a coma. I have not mentioned anything to anyone else but I have to wonder. His ex was evicted from her apartment because she could not make the rent, she actually moved into his mom's house. After two months of looking she found an apartment but the weekend she was to move out she had a severe asthma attack and lapsed into a coma. Now, he's trying to get control of her financial dealings so it makes me wonder. He's also playing the big hero in all this saying how he's seeing to all her medical care that her family has done nothing for her. I take all he tells me with a grain of salt, I've learned how to really listen to him. Who knows what he's capable of, I believe he's had "accidents" at work just so he can sue. So if you think the guy you're with is a mental case get out now and run as fast as you can. Don't dismiss any red flags that are similar to any of these situations you've been reading about on here. It's hard to leave someone you've felt a deep love for but the reality is monsters like this know nothing of love.
I hope you get out of your situation soon, it will be hard because I see now they are not easy to get rid of. This experience has definitely changed me and not in a good way. I still have moments of sadness when something brings back a memory and I question my judgment. I will keep you in my thoughts that you will find the strength and be safe. A week or so ago I sat in my garden reading a book, it was the first time I felt total peace with myself. I hope you will find that soon, be well.
jekyll & hyde
Tue, 06/16/2009 - 11:35 — Barbara (not verified)http://abusesanctuary.blogspot.com/2006/10/domestic-violence-dr-jekyll-o...
Again and again!!!!
Sun, 06/14/2009 - 15:47 — TwoexperiencesofNI'd been N free and not dating for two years and started on line dating at the beginning of this year as I finally felt confident enough to do so. Out of at least 2000 profiles one face stood out and emails initiated by myself led to me dating this man. I was cautious and sensible yet also very suspicious that he could be an N..... SURELY NOT! I wanted to fall for this good looking, caring man after ten weeks but couldn't allow myself as he was still in contact with ex girlfriends, lots of texts messages and often on line which he reassured me was just how he is and has always been. I had to know if my gut instincts were correct so I did a test. THE N TEST!!! After a lovely meeting together earlier in the day on returning home I put my foot down and said that I consider contact with ex girlfriends that are clearly still into him disrespectful and unacceptable and that this behaviour was preventing me from to getting closer to him and take the relationship forward.... a combination of critisim and caring. WAIT FOR IT... immediately his tone changed, he said he had had enough of me, he raged, devalued me, refused to meet and discuss and via text message said I wasn't what he was looking for. To this I texted that I pitied him, his reaction had been text book, thanked him and deleted all forms of contact. I am gutted and have had a very painful week with Post Traumatic Stress symptoms and sit here now in disbelief. I know the NC rule and I know that I will never hear from him again. The point is how could this happen again? BUT also I thank you for your knowledge which provided me with the essential amour to protect my heart.xxx ....
TwoexperiencesofN
Sun, 06/14/2009 - 16:34 — Barbara (not verified)Never, I repeat - NEVER NEVER EVER USE ONLINE DATING!
It has been found that Ns and Ps just LIVE on online dating sites. It's their FAVORITE trolling spot.
Stay off ONLINE DATING!!! Go volunteer, join some club - something - anything but ONLINE DATING.
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LA, CA Is Constantly Invaded By Narcissists
Mon, 06/08/2009 - 03:32 — sean157It is the Capitol City of NarcWood, sorry Hollywood. From 1992 to 1995 I lived in Irvine, Orange Co, CA. In my early 20's my friends and I would head to the Beach Cities like Hermosa and Manhattan Beach to party on the weekends... My NPD was a USC Sorority girl and Hermosa Beac resident. Lovefraud put Heremosa at a possible 142 NPD's and I'd bet my life that my NPD knew a good 200 or so... Industries like showbusiness, movies and Rock and Roll are housed and attract all of the mobile attention seekers... They rub off onto the "normal" folks and it is now a city of such greed and snobbery, arrogance and misandry that it is actually visible in the guys I once knew and still are living there now... Maybe NPD is actually a transmittable virus soon ti take over the world? lol... I noticed it more prevalent in females in LA and as to the "added bitch" aspect, one point I haven't read touched on is that fact that the NPD I had contact with would use her cycle to her manipulative advantage (much more than) any other woman I had dated. Sadly with NPD and in a secluded state with Kelly it was as if the cycle ran 24/7/365.
Straight Talk about Narcs
Thu, 05/07/2009 - 22:23 — Barbara (not verified)Understanding the problem
So, what exactly IS a narcissist? In short, a narcissist is someone (usually a man, but not always) who is totally self-absorbed to the point where there is no room for anyone else. There is no other point of view, no other needs, wants, or desires. This person will be arrogant, haughty, and superior. If the person is good-looking, they will use that to their advantage. They use people to get what they want. They crave admiration, even demand it, whithout necessarily earning it.
Before the chains of bondage can be broken, you have to gain a clear understanding of what you are dealing with.
You are probably stone cold nuts by now, particularly if you are subject to them in some way, i.e., they are your spouse, boyfriend, or fiance, your boss, your parent, your son or daughter, your doctor, your priest, minister, or rabbi, your best friend, your teacher, your neighbor, you co-worker..........
They are everywhere and they can be just about anyone in your life.
Sometimes they come and go, and sometimes they stay and stay and stay -- and you're stuck with them.
They demean you.
They are mean to you.
They point out your problems to you.
They make you feel guilty.
You find yourself constantly apologizing to them.
They are sucking you dry mentally, emotionally, spiritually,
physically, financially, and they are at the center of your universe - but you are not at the center of theirs. The only person at the center of their universe is THEM.
They are bigger than life.
And you are nothing.
You've given up your freedom to be their abject slave.
You have no hope of escape.
YES, YOU DO
What do you have to lose?
Some time in the past, you got in their cross-hairs and became a target: It may have been so long ago you may not even remember a happier, more care-free time.
They had their radar up and operating when you came within their sights to become a narcissistic source they could milk dry.
They may still seem to be bigger than life, a hero type, the knight in tarnished armor fighting your battles, an apostle to lead you into the Kingdom, or a diamond in the rough who just needs a little care and compassion to bring out the best in him.
Whatever.
So, if you give them up you would be losing... what? A portion of your life? your battles? the Kingdom? knowledge? justice? bread? money?
At the time you recognize that he is doing you such damage that you are totally spent, without any energy, love, or hope, you have to ask yourself the question, "Is this truly worth it?"!
It isn't, of course, but fear may drive you into a paralyzing
depression.
The way out is to begin to recognize that if you reject the narcissist, you are not losing anything; you are GAINING you sanity!
Taking the risk
Risk assessment is very important: You need to determine the course of action you will take when YOU DUMP the narcissist.
This can be very dangerous, depending upon your situation.
If you are going to get a divorce, what are the options to support yourself and your children and stay away from the abuse?
If it's your boss, how are you going to manage a potential job loss?
If it's your minister, how will you manage the potential damage he could do to your reputation?
If it's your teacher in school, how will you finish your education?
The problem is not just that they are everywhere, but they become master manipulators, making you look like the bad guy while enlisting the aid of powerful allies.
You must prepare carefully to avoid as much risk as possible.
Women who have gotten a divorce have told of getting a judgment against their abusers for both alimony and child support only to have to find a way to support themselves because their ex defied the courts and have paid nothing.
Sometimes the narcissist goes after their departed source with a vengeance and may even attempt murder -- it's certainly not unheard of. Even those you'd swear would never do that!
The problem is that if you stay with them, the risk is no less, and you may only be postponing the vicious attacks of which, you have come to understand, the narcissist so capable.
Remember though, the narcissist is used to inflicting pain; it is what he does; it is who he is.
One of the most amazing things about abusive people is that they have no idea they are abusive: They are so focused on themselves that they neither care NOR do they understand they are abusing others.
Concerning reputation: Narcissists are really good at ruining someone else's reputation -- all they have to do is say something that sounds credible that you know is a lie, and everyone will abandon you before you can collect and show the facts of the matter.
Narcissists are great at blaming the victim.
Not only that, but they will find (or plant) something somewhere to "prove" that you lied in the past and ruin your credibility.
Narcissists also like to take the objective and turn it into what seems to be a personal attack on them -- thus, again, making you look like the bad guy, e.g., making everyone feel sorry for HIM.
They have the majority on their side, because they tell people what they want to hear, and most of the time, the truth is the last thing people want to hear.
However.......................................
They need you.
Narcissism is a mental disorder which is defined by a lack of
empathy as well as a peculiar non-existence: That is to say, the narcissist needs others to reflect back to them what they appear to be in order to define themselves; without this feedback, they don't exist.
And the worst thing you could ever do, from their point of view, is to COMPLETELY ignore them.
To ignore them is to snuff them out.
Narcissists become very angry when you ignore them!
To question that they are the center of the Universe is anathema to them -- pure heresy.
They are the greatest of their kind of all time.
And when you question their importance, you become a "lying betrayer."
They are so confident of their greatness, that anyone questioning it is not just their enemy, to be fought tooth and nail, they are deceivers, cheating others of the truth.
Hopefully, you recognize the baloney of the narcissist for what it is, but often they have such forcefulness, they can bully their way past the obvious baloney.
Though they seem confident of their position in the Universe -- at the center of it -- and believe that the Universe would cease to exist without them, they hold the secret fear that the Universe might just be able to do without them without much notice, if any at all, and it creates a tremendous fear within them.
They need you to validate them.
You need them to leave you alone.
Avoiding the more obvious traps
You can make the choice to dump the narcissist when you recognize him for who and what he is -- nothing at all; useless, worthless, pretty much a fool.
Or he can dump you.
Either way, you have cause for rejoicing, even if you feel great pain.
The narcissist is quite addictive to his source and when he
withdraws, people often have withdrawal symptoms.
Like any addiction, this must be faced and overcome.
There are two main problems:
1 There may a great temptation to crawl back to the narcissist to beg his forgiveness and try to allow to come back to him;
2 You may seek another narcissist to fill the void.
Either way, you are going to regret it: It doesn't really lessen the pain, you simply keep up the cycle.
Now, it's really easy to get caught up in the illusion that your narcissist is bigger than life and provides you with something; the reality is something else: He is not the one giving--you are; you are the one providing him with everything (or at least a portion) of what he needs.
It's a sick relationship.
In order for your own healing, you must get away from the patient; sever all ties; become independent. No Contact.
It is insanity to remain subject to them.
Here is another trap:
You feel sorry for him.
That is the absolute worst thing you could do
Don't feel sorry for him. Do Not.
He doesn't feel sorry for himself: He's just fine with the way he is and sees no need to change.
And since the narcissist, by definition, is totally incapable of empathy, he doesn't feel sorry for you or anybody else; again, he's just fine, and, except for some righteous indignation because he believes he has been wronged because someone doesn't see the truth that he is the center of the Universe, his life will go on and he WILL find some other first-class sucker to feel sorry for him.
Remember this:
The narcissist won't change, is incapable of it, and furthermore is perfectly satisfied to wallow in the cesspool of his own misery.
How to free yourself from his clutches once and for all:
All narcissists are monsters at the core: they are abusive; the only real difference is the scope of their abuse, limited only by the resources and sphere of influence available to them.
They seem impressive because they are great at manipulating perceptions: They are always a triumph of image over substance.
When the chips are down, though, they fold and take the gold with them, leaving you in a lurch.
You don't count.
So.........
Do you feel sorry for them?
Do they seem bigger than life?
Do they break the rules and take shortcuts?
Do they break their promises?
Do they lie to you?
Will they discount the lies they tell you and gloss over them when they come to light?
Do they constantly complain about how stupid people are, how bad service is, etc?
Do they discount your achievements?
Do they want you to solve their problems for them, when it is their responsibility to take care of their OWN problems?
Do you find yourself apologizing to them, particularly when you haven't done anything wrong?
Are they constantly critical of others?
Are they abusing you either with assault or neglect?
Do they expect you to be there for them constantly, on a moment's notice?
Are you finding that they are resource intensive?
Do you have to keep giving them "feedback", particularly on how valuable, smart and / or good looking they are?
Are they abusive toward other people?
Do they seem devoid of empathy towards others and just don't care?
Are they smart alecks? Sarcastic?
Do they constantly want your attention?
And finally,
Do you just plain feel miserable and uncomfortable around them?
If any of these are true, then run, don't walk, for the nearest exit from the relationship.
And don't look back.
from: Night-Vision for Women
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RE Straight talk about Narcs
Mon, 06/15/2009 - 23:36 — MarieBarbara,
Thanks for this post it was truly empowering. I wish I had this earlier on after my break up. So many of the things pointed out were things I experienced with him. I began to notice he would put a damper on anything that made me happy or ideas I would have. Sad you don't see that before you become entangled but in the beginning they only show the charming fake person.
This phrase really struck home!
"The way out is to begin to recognize that if you reject the narcissist, you are not losing anything; you are GAINING you sanity!"
It's taken me months to get here but I finally feel alive again. I would like to be rid of him though. He gets in touch with me somehow once a week. For awhile I actually marked smiley faces on my calendar for everyday there was NC from him.
Marie
tired
Thu, 05/07/2009 - 12:30 — lostsoulmateI believe my husband is a N. Last night he told me that I try to hurt him all the time, I never help financially, and the the truth according to him is I need him he doesnt need me, none of this is true. He has started calling me horrible names, just by me asking him why he wont answer his phone when I call. He punishes me, by withholding money, sex, time. He can rage at the top of his lungs one min and the next be like nothing ever happened. I think he is crazy and I believe he wants me to get out of his life, but he doesnt want anyone to know what he says or how he acts. He told me not to tell anyone what he said. He told me after all this that he doesnt want me to leave. I am either being split D&D or hoovered.
tired
Tue, 05/12/2009 - 14:39 — SuzieEvery thing you just said is exactly what happens to me. We have had that exact conversation. He gets paid today and yesterday he said that he isn' giving me a dime. I don't deserve any of his money. I owe him money. we have four kids. The PG&E is due. The trash bill is due. We need groceries.Gas for the car ect. He says that isn't his problem.He says since I don't care anything about him then why should he care about me. I said what about the kids. He said I have given you enough money after all these years. You arnt getting jack from me ever again.
We live way out in the middle of no where. My car is in horrible shape. He drives the good car.When I suggested a while back that I should get a job to help contribute he said. You can't work. You wouldn't make enough money to be worth the drive. You could only make minimum wage. You can't work until we move into town. So I said lets move into town. He said ..Not until you get a job. He says he is tired of me blowing his money and not doing my job. I am not doing what I am supposed to do. I don't keep the house clean enough the kids don't do what they are supposed to do.etc.
I am sorry to say that I am living a simular life to yours. But I am glad I am not alone. Leah
reply to tired
Mon, 06/22/2009 - 22:20 — JamesIf there is a breakdown in your marriage it is sad but it has nothing whatsoever to do with support for both the spouse and any child(ren) born from this union.
A parent legal support to his/her child is very clear on this matter in a court of law. Sorry but you didn't say he was your husband and if so then this become a matter for the court.
Yes, please seek legal council asap. Your children are an concern for both of you and whatever monies that come into the home if married is for support for you and care for your children.
If you are not married then you need to check your state laws and see if common law might apply to your situation. But this doesn't concern his children and if they are his children then he must according to the law support and care for them. If he doesn't then once again you need to get legal council for the child(ren). Please remember that each child must be represented in court by their own lawyer.
If he is willing to work on this breakdown in communication with you then I also recommend therapy as well.
The courts are concern with what is best for the child(ren) so it might be best to start legal processing. To insure that these child(ren) are supported both emotionally and financially. Again the courts are very clear on these matters.
Ether way this financial withholding (abuse) must stop so I hope you start looking into your options asap.
Good luck.
leah
Tue, 05/12/2009 - 17:40 — quietudeThis is just heart breaking, it sounds like you're a prisoner in your own home. Not giving you money for basic needs, no gas money for a car that barely works, out in the middle of nowhere, and telling you that you can't work. Please take Barbara's advice, get help from a crisis center asap...he has no right to deprive you and your children this way.
Keep us posted, and best wishes.
Leah
Tue, 05/12/2009 - 16:35 — Barbara (not verified)GET A LAWYER IMMEDIATELY LEAH!! ASAP!!
Garnish this piece of crap's WAGES.
Give the bill collectors HIS CELL PHONE NUMBER and his OFFICE number.
It's not up to him whether he gives you money or not. It's the law. Call the police if he keeps this up.
And get yourself to a DV Crisis Center and speak to an ADVOCATE IMMEDIATELY (do NOT Tell him you are doing this)
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Thu, 05/07/2009 - 20:41 — Barbara (not verified)Call a few divorce attorneys and take a LEAST 3 free consults. Hire a FIGHTER... not someone looking for easy wins who tries to talk you out of fighting for what is rightfully yours.
Get a book called SPLITTING by William Eddy, Esq about divorcing a narcissist.
Get yourself a good therapist ASAP.
Get this soul-sucking VAMPIRE out of your life. Don't listen to a thing he says as he will twist your mind & heart just for kicks.
Read this:
WHEN THE NARCISSIST "FEELS THREATENED"
Let's take a look at this line that narcissists aren't really bad, that they lash out at you because they feel "threatened."
This idea begs the question "Threatened in what way?" and "Threatened by what?"
If you're the victim of a narcissist, you know that this "threatened" excuse is a farce, because the narcissist attacks precisely when you are anti-threatening him or her. Like when you are trying please them, when you are saying you love them, when they are already mad at you and you are trying to appease them, when you try to get them to listen to you.
WHAM – you expect the normal reaction to these friendly behaviors, but what do you get instead? The PERVERTED reaction of an attack. It's a shock tactic that takes you aback and makes you have to pinch yourself.
What on earth have you done to "threaten" the poor narcissist?
Let's look at the last example – trying to get her to listen to you.
By doing that, you ARE "threatening" her, I'm afraid. Yes.
Correction: No, you are not threatening her; you are threatening the imaginary her, the bogus "her." You're threatening her delusions of grandeur.
ANY honesty or reality does. Remember that she is a mental child playing Pretend, and she wants all her playmates to play along. That means you are supposed to follow her script. You are supposed to act unworthy of her attention or regard. When you don't play that part, she stomps her little foot at you and gets mad, throwing a temper tantrum to be so obnoxious that you give in and do what she wants.
In her self-deluding game of Let's Play Pretend, she is so far superior to you that you are beneath her notice, at the relative level of some worm or bug with respect to her. Something divine her should look down her nose in contempt at.
And, you had better act the part or she will go off at you. But here you are, acting like she owes you her attention. In other words, you're acting like God Almighty's equal.
Oh, how horrible an insult to God Almighty!!! Shame on you! You - a mere bug, a mere worm - are "threatening" her majesty by treating her as your equal! Quit "threatening" her delusions of divinity, you mean and naughty person.
The same is true for the example of telling her you love her, for in a profession of love is an implicit call for love in return. Oh, what a horrible attack on her godhead with respect to a mere bug, a mere worm like you! You are treating her as your equal. What an insult!
So, don't let the addle-headed know-it-alls confuse you. You are not threatening the poor narcissist. The narcissist is just a pervert = someone who perverts the course of logic to pervert reality. Hence, she pervertedly views love or affection or any call for engagement from her as its very opposite = a "threat."
Her Perverted Thinking Machine is not your fault or your problem. It's her fault and her problem. She is not really threatened by you acting like her equal.
In other words, she isn't fighting back against any injury or threat: she is just an aggressor targeting vulnerable prey. That is, she's abusing you to feed her ego.
To blame you for what she does to you, by saying that that you are thus "threatening" her, is as crazy as it would be to blame a lamb for "threatening" a wolf by running away when the hungry wolf feels a need to eat said lamb.
But the so-called experts cannot seem to get it through their thick heads that there is a fundamental difference between fighting others and eating them – between fighting and predation. Though they Play Pretend that they are the only ones qualified to express an opinion on the matter, they are actually the least knowledgable and qualified, because they know nothing but what they have read in speculative essays by others just as ignorant and whatever lines narcissists on their couches have fed these collective speculators. Both individually and collectively they have almost no experience with real narcissists, let alone any real-world experience with them. And they haven't even solicited information from victims of narcissists. So, how could they possibly know what they are talking about?
Trust your own observations. Reason from facts to conclusions, not backwards, and you will learn what you need to know.
All animals occasionally fight others (including others of their own species) when those others cross boundaries to threaten their interests in some way. You can tell when this is the motive, because the moment the aggressor backs off the fighting stops, and everybody's cool again.
Why? Because when you feel threatened, your motive is to repulse the threat = self-defense. Once you have accomplished that mission, you are done.
But when your motive is to destroy the other, the other party backing down or trying to appease you has the opposite effect. Then it's a sign of weakness that just emboldens the attacker to pour on the attack more furiously than ever.
That's why when an animal attacks to eat another, it doesn't stop till it has ripped that other to shreds. That's what human predators (like psychopaths and other narcissists) do to their prey, as well.
The only way to avoid "threatening" these perverts is to just get and stay far away from them.
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when the N feels "threatened"
Thu, 06/18/2009 - 10:57 — Barbara (not verified)see "get rid of him" posting above
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hello
Sat, 05/30/2009 - 15:36 — farhanqure (not verified)I am inspired
I married 2 of them!
Fri, 05/08/2009 - 08:49 — hopefullyhopefulMy first husband was charming and everyone loved him. He was involved in the important things that people would awe at his glory. I however was not and how could someone like me want to leave such a man who is sooo great? What kind of woman would do such a thing. He took every bit of aknoweldgement and made himself bigger and me become so very tiny. He mentally drained me in our divorce with all of the tactics and trying to take away what was most important to me. Everyone said he's not so bad what are you doing. They should have had to live with him.
I tried again, this time #2 was a Dirty N. He played the games and decided my self worth was based upon his own being. He was full of himself, everything evolved around his work, his family, his likes and dislikes. His family took me to the cleaner at our divorce, he told me he never loved me, he said he married me for the wrong reasons and all was my fault. They both took me to the utmost lowest level anyone could go. I am building myself back up it is hard!