Gaslighting

Gaslighting
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Does anyone have any examples of how they were gaslighted? (great movie btw).

I am healing but this morning I am trying to figure out if I was gaslighted. I am posting a few examples of what I thought maybe gaslighting that was done to me.

One evening while we were no longer together but still "friends" we had finished texting and he accused me of sending him an inappropriate text meant for another man.

Another time he was harassing me for a friends phone number which I told him I did not want to give him. I finally relented and sent it to him and he told me I sent him a scrambled number and that he would get it himself. I then proceeded to end with him right there. The next morning at 5:30 am he said that I had texted him a nonsense word and he was answering me.

In the bringing he admitted to asking me "loaded questions". To see how I would answer and react.

When we would see each other (ldr) he would say he would be back in a few hours and not show up or call. When I would ask what happened he would make like nothing happened.

I have a few more that I can't remember off the top of my head. But I will post as they come to me!

Ten days NC!!!!

Very happy girl's picture

Wtf

Once again my stomach is in knots.
I am in shock. I am broken inside to know that all of you wonderful, loving helpful women and men had to endure this.
I want to believe that we will be able to trust openly again. But sometimes I don't know how.

ValiditySeeker's picture

gaslighting

1. On our first date I had a few drinks. He told me the next day that I got so drunk that I did something really inappropriate and embarrassing. I didn't remember doing it and told him I couldn't have done something like that. Especially without remembering it! He claimed that I was so drunk that I was blacked out and that's why I couldn't remember it.

2. He told me that I peed on him during sex. ????

3. Told me that he had given something that belonged to me when I THINK I WOULD HAVE REMEMBERED having been handed an item.

4. Took money from purse without my knowledge and when I went crazy looking for it, he produced it from his pocket saying that I had dropped it earlier and
he picked it up. He had merely forgottten to give it to me. This money was in a closed wallet inside a closed purse and I had hunted for it for 20 minutes before his realization."

5. His mother had given me a card with some money inside as a gift. She later discovered it in his possesssion and she returned it to me saying that her darling son had discovered that I dropped it and forgotten to give it to me.

6. The hood emblem was broken off my new car in my parking lot. I have no proof he did it but I have my suspicions.

7. Even though I shower daily and use various body gels, soaps, shampoos, scented lotions, deodorants etc. he would often tell me that I smelled bad. It made me paranoid enough to ask my roommates if I was stinky. The verdict was of course, a unanimous no.

8. He would play his little funny "tricks" or "jokes" on me. For example, at the movie theatre, he piled up bits of greasy popcorn on top of my head. When I finally noticed I got mad but according to him, I couldn't take a joke."

9. I gave him some cash to give to the gas station attendnant. He knew that this was ALL the $ I had as I counted it out in the car. He told the attendant to put in one dollar more than I had. He SWORE that had told him a different amount. The attendant got mad and said he was going to call the cops if I couldn't come up with the missing $. So I had dig all through my purse and car for the change. I might not have thought of this as gaslighting, just an honest mistake but Short Dick Man never once said sorry or took ownership fpr the mistake and most tellingly, he never helped me search the car for a single dime. As the attendant made menacing faces at me, narc just stared stright ahead, smiling.

10. Was always telling me how very rude I was. His parents had given me a gift and I was over the moon with verbal praise and thanksgiving. He SWORE I never once said thanks. Then he later conceded that although I had said thanks, it wasn't "very genuine or enough." ??? I had all but turned cartwheels.

11. Told me that it was rude "not to speak" to his family when I visited his home. Yet I had spent an hour helping his brother with his homework and then played basketball with his youngest brother. I helped his mother cook dinner and discussed the joys of pickling vegetables with his father. What. The. Frig.

12. Tell me I was checking out other guys at the library when my nose was down in the book.

There are more stories but you get the idea.

During the course of our relationship of three years, I was never once called a name, hit, cheated on (that I know of) cursed at or otherwise "abused" in my opinion. The only maltreatment came in the form of this gaslighting which was absolutely constant. It took my therapist a few sessions to convince me that this relationship was in fact abusive despite its lack of stereotypical physical or verbal abuse.

It's still confusing after all these years. Even when I try my hardest to put myself into his shoes to see what he got out of these behaviors, I just can't imagine it being enjoyable. I can't imagine what would make a person act like this in nearly every interaction.

I know they're aiming to control us, but it's simply bizarre that they would even think "If I make her feel like she's going nuts, I'll get to pick the movie next time." WHAT IS THAT??? I just don't get them.

evergreen's picture

crazy!

calls logged on his mobile phone he swore he never made the calls so the mobile phone must be lying !
hiding things that I needed when leaving his place to keep me there longer looking for them.

making plans then denying he made them
crazy making

yokidoki's picture

Who me crazy?

I remember one time my ex and I were supposed to go to a Halloween party and he kept saying yes yes yes cannot wait I have a costume picked out it'll be so much fun! Halloween rolls around and I remind him about the Halloween party and he says what are you talking about? I never said we were going to a Halloween party! I have to work! I said you promised! I promised nothing! I am not going! Needless to say I went with my friends and the next day he said oh did you have fun at the party? I am so sorry I missed it!! Looking back I'm so sure he is so sorry he missed it! Indeed I was being sarcastic :)

round3's picture

HA - yup. Crazy

Mine would go off about my church here and there. How it was all wrong. blah blah. i happen to like my church. so do my kids and i've been a member of that synod since i was young, so whatever. he hated it and had a million reasons...

then when i say, i'm not willing to compromise my religious choice. I want to be with someone who wants to go to church with me. He says "I had every intention of being confirmed at your church". I said - great. come to church with us on sunday. "oh, no thanks. I don't like your church".

seriously. wtf. It's like a huge mind-bender. So I sit there looking at my phone, cuz mind you, this is all in texts, with my head cocked thinking...wtf.. did i just have that conversation? so i scroll back and look. and sure enough. it was had.

wtf.?? the love you/hate you, keep it/give it back would just make me mental.

here's another word
fucktard
that's what he is

round3

TruthbeginsToday's picture

I can add

Moving my things in the kitchen cupboards and swearing that he did not do it. This went on for years.Thankfully I had an excellent memory and knew he was telling lies.

Rearranging the linen closet...It wasn't him

Moving or taking the Christmas presents that I bought...and when I went to wrap them...they were not there. They later turned up in places we had already looked.
He threw out ingredients (from the fridge) that I needed for meals.When I went to cook...not there.

Finding white bleach spots on my guest towels everyday! It wasn't him...I was crazy.

He would run a red light and swear that it never happened.

Well I finally caught him doing these things and he said that he couldn't believe that I would DO such a sneaky thing and that I needed help.He said what kind of a person would do that to him?

FREAK!

Very happy girl's picture

Wow

Ugh this kills me. I can't believe this really happens!!! I feel like I have lost my mind.
What a bastard!

Deidre99's picture

You know, in looking through

You know, in looking through this thread again just now...it just upsets me so.

Honestly, ANY man who picks on women, talks down to them, plays head games, etc etc...is less than a man, in my eyes.

A really weak man.

Strong, well adjusted men don't gaslight and abuse women. Emotionally or physically. It's mind numbing, when I read the antic some of your exes carried out. Mine, too.

I just view them as very weak men...sad, troubled, lonely, desperate, weak men.

Deidre99's picture

I call it being an asshole.

I call it being an asshole. ;)

CONGRATS ON THE NC! KEEP IT UP!

GracefullyFree's picture

Round3 has another name for it

I think Round3 calls it being a fucker

HA

CONGRATS!!

round3's picture

This is true!

Yep.
Fucker. The end all be all, short, sweet, clear, concise description.

fucker.

thank you....and goodnite!

round3

round3's picture

Well... really...

we enhanced the description on mine last week....

no-shirt-wearing-body-aged-beyond-his-years-bad-tattoes-wife-beater-shade-wearing-driving-MY-MOMMIES-TRUCK-redneck.....fucker...

HA
(she says out loud as she smashes the enter key with her middle finger)

HA
round3

round3's picture

Yup - - that's my word!

I can't stop using it. It's vulgar. I know. But it just seems to really bring the definition to it's knees.

fucker.

I know alot of assholes. My N doesn't even come close. He is a true blue mother fucker.

I am cracking up. I sure hope nobody figures out who I am on this board. They will call my mother to have my mouth washed out with soap. Worse yet I will have two little boys running around going "fucker. fucker".

GracefullyFree's picture

Gaslighting

Oh. I've got tons of 'em.

One night, we were out and he leaned over and told me, "You know? I've never been attracted to you but I'm attracted to your mind." He was drunk so I just let it go and figured I'd handle it later.

Later, at a friend's house, his friend asked what was wrong. I mentioned it, not in an emotional way but just stating how my feelings were hurt and why.

PsychoNarc exploded. "I would NEVER say that! I would NEVER say or do ANYTHING to hurt you! You're CRAZY!"

I told him he reminded me of my ex-husband, he angrily demanded I NEVER compare him to my abusive ex-husband again.

My reply? "Then stop acting like him."

But, this was a relative of his so she bought his version of the story.
For some reason, at that moment, I recognized what was going on.

More subtly, he would call me his girlfriend and tell me he loved me, tell me I was the only one.

But when we would be around others (such as other people he might be calling a 'friend' but having sex with), suddenly he would start telling them, "She's crazy. I don't know why she thinks she's my girlfriend. I've ALWAYS told her I was in love with the baby mama."

Speaking of those 'friends', he would flirt. But when I would call him on it he would convince me I didn't SEE what I SAW. Or that I was imagining things. (I wasn't.)

He would say or do something and then just convince me that he didn't say or do it. Sometimes he'd get away with pointing out something I'd said or done so that I would end up feeling guilty and apologizing.

It was always on HIS turf, around HIS family, on HIS terms.

I can't even count the number of times he gaslighted. It was pretty constant.

kollontai77's picture

Is this

Is this an example of gaslighting?

A couple of days before we got together sexually (for the only time) he changed his relationship status on FB to "in an open relationship". I messaged him asking what was going on, and he just went hahahahahahahahahahaha back at me, saying his finger slipped.

He did it again, a few weeks after he said to me that he didn't want a relationship with anyone. I rang him to find out what was going on, again he laughed in my face, and smugly thanked me for the call.....

Froglegs's picture

That's not gaslighting, but

That's not gaslighting, but he was being an ass by laughing it off instead of giving explanations. If he said something like, "What are you talking about? I never changed my status," then that would be gaslighting.

They say or do something and then tell you it didn't happen or you took it the wrong way, etc. If it goes on long enough you literally start to wonder if you actually are going crazy.

kollontai77's picture

he was lying

on all occasions he changed his status, he said he did it because he felt like it. For attention, basically. And it screwed with my feelings in the process......

ETA he'd be friendly to me on facebook, and bloody rude in real life. whenever I asked him if he actually liked me or not, said just tell me if I'm being a pest and i'll go away, he would say "what are you talking about" "don't be silly" "of course I'm a friend, if I'm talking to you"..... but still, felt very unsettled, and ignored at times.

evergreen's picture

attention

my exN changed his status to "in a civil partnership" for attention theyre sick!

Deidre99's picture

I honestly might throw up. I

I honestly might throw up. I haven't really thought much about my ex since last year. I'm over a year, NC. And unless bringing him up on here to share stories, I don't really dwell on the guy. But, something about this thread today--ugh. Yuck..don't miss this game playing nonsense!

I remember the 'don't be silly' type comments.
And he used to say...''You will know when I'm mad, dee...trust me on that.''

I got to see him REALLY mad. When I broke up with him!

;)

But...let me say. The abuse got worse after we broke up, more than during the relationship, if u can imagine that!

It helps to see these threads, however, to know...we didn't imagine this behavior. And it confirms even moreso the disorder of it all, because all of our men/women share these common themes, despite being different individuals.

GracefullyFree's picture

Feeling Icky

It's funny. I'm getting far enough away from it, and seeing him clearly (and myself) so much that it feels surreal. (I haven't been on the site long but it's been a while since I've seen him, remember ;-))

And then I read something here that brings a memory back and it just makes me want to puke. It's a great reminder. But it also makes me wonder how I thought THAT was love. Or something that would ever work out. Or bring happiness.

It IS most helpful to be reminded we (I) are NOT crazy. We have had 'normal reactions' to abnormal behavior. Our minds were messed with.

I am astounded at the level of deception the Disordered Ones get away with. How could we know?
Until we DO know.
At which point, hopefully we learn, and do better.

Grace

Rising Dawn's picture

Well-said, GF! ICKY is the word!

The exN popped in my head this morning, and my first reaction was 'ick'. Then it was a series of 'ewws', and 'yucks', thinking about how I thought I loved him when he was doing the same thing with numerous other women. I am seriously repulsed now when I think about being with him, which is a good thing.

Now that I DO have the knowledge, I am also surprised how I could have thought what we had was love, let alone a relationship. Everything was a lie, and I ate it all up!

I am not too hung up on this though - I see clearly now what he is, and my part in this experience. I am glad I am out of the fog and I have learned a great deal about human nature and myself.

Happy Friday!

Deidre99's picture

That's so true, Grace. I

That's so true, Grace.

I think that it's triggering feelings from my childhood...how poorly I was disrespecte and treated, growing up. The narcs in my dating adult life, only serve to mirror the childhood emotional abuse I endured. I can see that, now. But, I still need a puke bucket after reading some of this, today! lol

Ugh. It's just sad. Everyone here seems to kind, thoughtful, loving. We didn't deserve this. No one does.

The good news is, we found this site, and we healed. And are still healing, some of us. It's a process, painful, but well worth it! :)

I need to see this movie Gaslight...is it called? It literally is about gaslighting? Oh my. :+/

GracefullyFree's picture

Grace Kelly

Oh. Gaslight really is about Gaslighting. (It's actually where the term 'gaslighting' comes from.)

But it's a great movie whether you've been through this stuff or not.

Grace Kelly.

She's fabulous.

Well worth checking out. A classic.

Grace

evergreen's picture

Ingrid

goldie's picture

Narcs LOVE to blame and make YOU look bad.

IN fact if they have YOU thinking YOU are the crazy one; it's an added bonus to them.

Once the honeymoon faze is over and they can see you "catching" on to them; then it is all about blaming YOU and having OTHERS think you are crazy as well.

Just another day in Narcville.

The details may vary; yet the game and intent is always the same.

Takes the focus off of them and if YOU think it is your fault than my goodness you may just take them back and go a few more rounds.

It's called MANIPULATION 101 and GASLIGHTING.

God bless,
Goldie

nymphofthewoods's picture

They do it with a vengence

It's all true what Goldie said. I've gone through the wash/rinse/repeat/wringer and other cycles for 20 years.

His 5 affairs (him feeling neglected when I went back to university; greiving my mother's death), have caused me to go off the deep-end a few times, which of course had an influence on my grades. I took one year off school just to fix the damage caused by one of his flings. My fault that he strayed...not enough attention.

One evening I was not doing well ruminating, crying into my wine glass, and should not have answered the phone... because it was his mother. "Why you drink so much?"

"Because he's a whore!" Ooops, that word just came out of nowhere. One large gasp and a click. Guess I was making her son look bad. My fault for making her son unhappy, and inflicting pain on his mother.

I kicked him out 2 months later, and he's now happier than pig'in'shit with his much younger woman. She was cleaning his new place before he left mine. He likes the young, boot-lickin' needy ones, and loves to dress them up to look like arm candy. He's 60 and getting tons of love.

The relationship dramas of 22 years have caused me to deal with physical, emotional and career issues. To him and his friends, I am a total failure - not worth anyone's time.

I read that how one reacts is a choice. Coercion and manipulation can be so subtle, that you don't even know you're being played and set up to take the fall.

Froglegs's picture

Example for ya.

After being together for 2 years, XN gave me a diamond solitaire ring for Christmas. I asked him, "Is this what I think it is?" He replied, "It's whatever you want it to be." He then put it on my left ring finger, in front of my daughter, and declared his eternal devotion and love. He also proclaimed how happy he was to be a part of a "family".

For 2 more years I wore that ring. He owns a bar. People would ask me, in front of him, when we were to get married. He and I had already established there wasn't a rush so I'd always say, "When the time is right we'll just do it." He never said anything to contradict me.

He took me to the Caribbean. A couple he knew that I'd never met accompanied us. XN got really drunk and declared, "I love my girlfriend, but I'm never going to marry her." This was said not even 5 minutes after the woman asked about our engagement. I was mortified and devastated!

When we got back to the states I gave him the ring and broke down. He had the audacity to tell me the engagement was all in my head. He never technically asked me to marry him so in his warped mind he did nothing wrong.

How's that for a gaslight?

The good part is after I left he attempted a major hoover. I got the ring back and kicked him to the curb. ;)

kollontai77's picture

wow

that is truly vile and disgusting behaviour. At least you got the ring back and some revenge of sorts. Horrible man.

Very happy girl's picture

Holy I don't even know what!!

That is insane! How do you even try to explain that one to people who don't understand how the Narc operates !!!! Gaslight x10.

Froglegs's picture

Very happy girl,

Not easily.

XN and I share a lot of mutual acquintances and friends. They know he has a screw loose, but for folks that don't know him or about NPD...it's difficult.

Very happy girl's picture

One more thing

I also noticed that he would avoid questions. I would ask him something directly and get no response. If I asked a different question that he felt like answering he would.

Deidre99's picture

I read through this

I read through this thread...wow, I'm so sorry to everyone here, who had to go through such horrible emotional abuse from their ex's. :(

Thank goodness, they are gone...and we can now move forward. Just terrible though, reading what we all went through here. :(