A Cautionary Tale

A Cautionary Tale
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One of my girlfriends, sweet but too naive, is trying to date again after divorce from a long marriage to a liar and a cheater. You would think she would know the signs, or at least listen to me when I warn her, but NO. She wants a "true love" so bad, she acts like an idiot. I am trying to be patient, but it is hard. I've warned her about online dating sites, I've warned her about long distance relationships -- her ex used to travel with his "job" and cheat, and yet -- she sets herself up.

She has been talking to a man she met on a dating site for about seven months. She never gets him on the phone, he has to call her back. RED FLAG. He sends her email early in the morning and late at night on weekends, during the day during the week. Sometimes he doesn't get back to her for several days. RED FLAG. He has requested "racy" pictures. RED FLAG. They have not met. He wants to have "phone sex". He wants to see her and have phone sex on SKYPE! RED FLAG, RED FLAG He was supposed to come visit her, she got sick, he didn't stop to see her. He was supposed to come THIS WEEK, sometime, and now has changed his mind. She is devastated. He told her, "It is too far for me to drive and not have a place to stay. I want to sleep with you. I am a grown man, you are a grown woman. I want to have sex. It doesn't matter that we have not met, we know each other. You might be my soul mate. I would never commit to a relationship if I wasn't having sex. " In other words, he will drive over if she will have sex with him. If she won't commit, he's not making the drive. RED FLAG. He has said on his web site that he would relocate for the right woman (one that will do whatever he tells her to?) This is a set up for triangulation. If you are far away, you will not know the same people or be seen out with each other around town. RED FLAG.
Really? Seriously? Why do women fall for this bull? Because we want to love and be loved and we all keep our love goggles on, in hope of finding Mr Right. How can I get her to see he has done her a favor by not coming to see her? How can I get her to go NC with this guy? How many more flags does she need? I am almost to the point of telling her not to talk to ne anymore, if she wants to commit emotional suicide, then Jump Right In!!! I hate to do it, but until she figures this out, I can only watch and shake my head in disbelief. I learned the hard way, pain is a great teacher, but please God, never again.

Janie53's picture

Portia

You are a good friend Portia but she needs to figure this out for herself. There is nothing you can do except be there for her when she falls. Don't let her distract you from what is important and that is taking care of you!

Keep staying true!
Janie

TruthbeginsToday's picture

Portia, you are

Such a good friend. You've looked out for her. Too bad she isn't listening...especially with HUGE RED flags.

Your concern and your attempts to protect her are such caring things.

I wish there were more friends like you.

I hope she wakes up.

Truth

Lacey's picture

You said it

"Pain is a great teacher." That says it all. I understand that some "types" of people who are empathetic, open, and sensitive attract Ns. And sometimes one after the other.

But seriously, the pain DOES teach you something. Who would want to walk through fire over and over? I feel like I got my lungs ripped out; I'm NC 25 days today and there are moments when it feels like Day 1 again.

She's ready to date? Sure. But she didn't LEARN from the last relationship. Good friends listen even when their friends make the same mistake over and over. But that better be a GOOD friend, because after the first time, it probably can get pretty tedious to listen to!

lessonlearned's picture

she needs the "actions, not words" lesson

as empaths, we LISTEN to people & BELIEVE that their words are honest. unfortunately, it is very easy for a lot of people to blah blah blah but then have zero follow-through.

what has he SHOWN her with his ACTIONS? you listed many of these as red flags & you are correct. if she follows the crumbs he's dropping she will see that:

- he is "available" to her only per his timeline & rules
- he is out for sex (skype sex, phone sex, real life sex)
- he cannot be bothered with HER needs or emotions at all

tell her to ignore the words & examine the actions. it doesn't look pretty.

for what it's worth, i met my exN on match shortly after my divorce was final (6 months). i was still too wobbly to be dating. these guys KNOW that recently divorced women are vulnerable, hopeful, forgiving, lonely...it's the perfect storm for a POS user to hitch his wagon to some unsuspecting woman who will give him the benefit of the doubt over & over again until he has used her for his own gain.

i feel so sorry for your friend. i hope she listens to you (and us!) & puts her own needs & self-preservation ahead of any of the guys she considers dating.

Portia's picture

Lesson Not Learned

That's what gets me -- her husband was a class A jerk, and she should have learned a lesson from that. But she says, "You are too suspicious, all men are not that way. This one has been hurt before by women, and he is just looking out for himself." I say - there is a difference between being careful and logical and protective of yourself and being too suspicious. And my bet is this guy has done the hurting, not been hurt. I feel he is focused on finding free sex. He could get what he wants from a prostitute, but not only does he not want to pay, he wants her to pay him. He wants a free place to stay, sex, free food, and to come and go as he pleases. How nice for him. Really - why would any woman want to have any type of sex - phone, Skype, or actual - with a man she has not even met??? One of the things she said that about put me over the edge was "I don't know how I can miss him, because I've never even met him, but I miss him!" Really??? I think she has gone off the deep end!

round3's picture

There should be a website

Where we get to post their names so women can be warned. like you go on a dating site, then get the guys name, then can go check him out.

like the sex offenders site....

That was one of my thoughts about OW (which i promptly had to turn off), I bet she is freshly divorced. .. but whatever. not my problem...

she can keep him... for as long as she or he can stand it....

round3

Portia's picture

Narc's R Us?

I wish there could be public branding, preferably across the nose, but then I'm a little harsh! LOL I wish there could be a website too, but I imagine there would be all kinds of legal issues, and then these guys would just give false names. A Liar Lies. Women have to learn to protect themselves, and stop fighting with each other. These guys are no prize, but sometimes I think women do even worse things to each other fighting over these worthless POS!

round3's picture

WOW!

I almost want to ask what the fucker's name is. I'm telling you it sounds like EXACTLY what my exN did and it could be him. EXACTLY. because the OW lives in the next state.

although as of a bit over a week ago, they were together - at the pissin' wedding!

OMG - this is just downright scarey and making me feel sick. OMG - it sounds TOTALLY like all the shit N said to me about "grown man, grown woman, I'm not going to commit unless I get sex. LOTS... blah blha ".....

OMG - I am way freaked out. It's just too f'ng uncanny! and 7 months is about right. it's about the right time.

round3

Emma's picture

He's blatant... He's told her

He's blatant... He's told her all he wants.. SEX. That's it!

If I were in your shoes..id let her make her own mistakes..some people can't be told. just be a friend for her and be there when it all crumbles!