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My exN was never overtly emotionally abusive when he talked to me until the very end (though he was a master at the ST), but I think his subtle jabs were one of the most painful things about the relationship. They slowly tore down my self-esteem. These jabs usually came under the guise of compliments or of reassurances about his loyalty, commitment, good intentions, etc. It was such a confusing experience. I would feel hurt, but I couldn't (at the time) recognize why.
I would bring this to his attention and his excuse would always be that he "just wasn't thinking" or I was being too sensitive. I used to buy those excuses, sad to say. Looking back, I also realize that these jabs usually happened when I was the most vulnerable.
Even now, it's sickening to think that someone who claims to love you would actively think about ways to tear you down. Still, it is liberating to know I didn't do anything to deserve this; it really has allowed me to focus on myself.
Oops
August 16, 2012 - 6:20pm — nolongerboundTriple post....wonderful
A Little Late But...
August 16, 2012 - 6:18pm — nolongerboundThank you guys for sharing your stories! It's so validating to know that his behavior was abuse and not just me being crazy x
A Little Late But...
August 16, 2012 - 6:18pm — nolongerboundThank you guys for sharing your stories! It's so validating to know that his behavior was abuse and not just me being crazy x
as a boxer
August 7, 2012 - 11:59am — AftermathI offer this:
My coach kept nailing me in the face every time I sparred him. I would throw a hit into my target but every time I got that same stiff jab into my face. It hurt like hell. Yet I kept using the same approach thinking "this should work. WHAT THE HELL?"
With heavy sparring gear on - no AC in summer - and 6 3 minute rounds my face became swollen and I was hurting. I felt like I had learned what I should know from all the yrs of intense training. Why was my approach with this opponent not working?
As I sat their catching my breath I hung my head down feeling mad at myself and defeated. He sat down next to me and said nothing for a minute. Eventually he asked...How many times are you going to walk into my jab until you realize your approach is not working? Why don't you pivot out of the way of my jab and find a different angle?
What I found is that the opponent sought and noted my weak spot - he looked for it - he danced around and waited for me to walk into that zone and with a stiff jab that jarred the hell out of my skull.
In your situation - you likely (?) tried using the skills you accumulated over a lifetime of relationships. What works and what does not.
With a pathological N, those skills are not met with fair tactical advantage. In other words...most know not to bring boxing gloves to a gun fight. We can't stop or outrun a bullet with boxing gear. There is no good outcome for a fair participant to be involved with someone who does not embrace the laws and rules of social participation. We cannot ever win. Sometimes we take away hard lessons instead.
Hang in there and pivot off - never take another jab, my friend.
Wow
August 7, 2012 - 12:12pm — nolongerboundThat is an excellent analogy, Aftermath, and you are right. For so long I was trying to apply normal relationship strategies to an intrinsically abnormal situation. No wonder that didn't work and I kept getting hurt!
nolonger
August 7, 2012 - 7:21pm — Aftermathsure feels like a hell of a fight when with an N - as surely as it feels in the aftermath of leaving.
They abuse you and then state
August 7, 2012 - 8:22am — thatwasabadrideThey abuse you and then state that you are sensitive.
Yep, it is ALWAYS our fault,
August 7, 2012 - 11:05am — nolongerboundYep, it is ALWAYS our fault, typical N logic.
He did it
August 4, 2012 - 12:29am — ValiditySeekerIn order to avoid taking actual responsibility for his words.
My ex jackass would make subtle jabs then when I would say that it was hurtful, he denied, denied, denied stating any such thing. Well, not directly you didn't, jackness.
For example, instead of saying that I was ugly, he'd go with, "That color you're wearing makes you look like you're pretty." Uhm, whatever Mr. Dithers. Get a dermatologist for those age spots.
Instead of saying he thought I was eating too much (I weigh 115) he would just make really wide eyes while I was putting the fork in my mouth (btw, he's fat.)
Instead of saying he thought he was better than me, he said in reference to an activity I was interested in, "I would NEVER do that! But that's okay, you know, for YOU."
The list goes on... But whenever confronted he not once admitted to wrongdoing or to
his passive-aggressive bull crap. It was never his fault that I "just took it wrong" or that I'm hypersensitive or that I have mental problems and need help. He said that he couldn't really imagine me ever getting married or being in a successful relationship because I was so messed up and no wonder every guy I ever dated dumped me.
Yeah, I've got problems.
Hey No Longer Bound
August 4, 2012 - 12:20am — rosedewittbukaterYES! The subtle jabs! Mine was a champion gold medal
in that sport.
I remember going hiking with her one day in frigid subzero temps. Not to terribly bad hiking weather actually, if you have the right apparel. Unfortunately, I didn't and of course she didn't offer to share any of her expensive gear. Anyhow, when we were just about to the top of the summit and I was only about two or three steps behind her, she took a jab at me "I remember when I was your size I had a really hard time getting up these hills"
F-ing B****
Keep in mind I was only about 5-7 lbs overweight at the time!!! Being a smoker what was really holding me back, but not by much!!! There were lots of other subtle jabs. Like when we go into a store and i would hold up a shirt or a hat and she would shake her head NO.
It was like she was just utterly repulsed by my body, face, and oh yeah, let's not forget the hair.
I think we coined a new term here....the SJ = Subtle Jab
Thank you for sharing this. I am sorry you got torn down like so many here did. One by one we are going to get back up on that horse and start paying attention to our strengths and qualities and beauty! Rock on, Lady!
xx, Rose
flash back
August 3, 2012 - 8:15pm — lookingaheadIve been NC for 2 years but I remember those back handed compliments and saying neg comments under his breath.
It certainly does mess with your head..no wonder we lost ourselves.
Yes! same thing here it was always when I was feeling vulnerable also.
"You are the best lover I've
August 3, 2012 - 6:36pm — Warrior"You are the best lover I've ever had, but I'm not sexually attracted to you. I would like to desire you more!".
I want him dead : )
You sound like me too !
August 3, 2012 - 2:34am — tigger27247Its just as if youre talking about mine....hes never actually called me names but is a master at little digs that make my stomach churn..
Sometimes mine will actually mutter something under his breath and just walk away as in triumph!...but i NOW know when hes done it because i can feel it in my gut...so hes not getting away with it anymore...in fact i have started doing exactly what frogslegs has said , make sure he KNOWS that youve heard him , ive started saying well yes actually i AM sensitive and yes i DID hear you......oh boy he DOES NOT like it and when i do this i can feel his anger buliding up but i need to do it for me...i will NOT be treated like this anymore and he needs to know..
hes a few example of what mine says
Me - jeez its hot today
Him - im not suprised in those tight jeans !! ( he sees me as fat )
Him to me - youre not listening....or if youd have listenend to what i said!!
also he says stuff like...
youre obviously not watching it otherwise you would have got it , if youd listen to me , youre obviously not bothered , "if only" youd do this that and the other?...
its very very subtle but ive learnt slowly and the hard way that these are abusive digs to keep me in line
you do need to stand up for what you beleive in but just be careful also...
ive started saying to mind " what did you say " in a raised voice.....he doesnt like it at all and he HEARS me say that...for me personally i NEED to let him know that i KNOW what hes doing....
stay safe xxx
Sad
August 2, 2012 - 9:20pm — NBXI feel the same way but I am struggling with it. How does someone that says they love you do such cruel things. It's disturbing to say the least. I hope I can learn to be more positive.
NoLongerBoundI
August 2, 2012 - 9:07pm — Janie53Good for you. I love the positivity- keep posting! Have you heard of the stay true to you club!
Keep up the good work; it will yield extraordinary results!
Stay true!
Janie
Thank you, Janie! You are
August 7, 2012 - 9:32pm — nolongerboundThank you, Janie! You are sweet x. No, I have not heard of the stay true to you club.
I hear ya.
August 2, 2012 - 6:55pm — FroglegsXN was the same. Very subtle until the end.
My therapist and I discussed the "being too sensitive" issue. He said in the future if a partner ever says I'm being "too sensitive" to say, "I am sensitive. This is who I am and what was said/done hurt my feelings," and go from there. That's setting up a boundary because you're letting the other person know that you are fully aware of what was said/done and it doesn't sit well with you. You're also holding the other person accountable for what he/she says/does.
The subtle jabs hurt. I'm coming to realize not sticking up for myself hurts and biting my tongue hurts worse. Time to look out for #1, nolongerbound.
p.s. Welcome to the site. :) Glad you're here.
little by little
August 2, 2012 - 6:11pm — evergreenI put a post on another thread about this exact thing today. I wasn't overtly abused and there was never any physical violence but drop by drop he would say things like
"You know so&so really doesn't like you at all cant stand you,(someone I hardly knew) and then say "but I defended you said you were really a nice person"
Our mutual friend who at the time was staying at my exNs house. when his ex wife came to drop off the children.
My exN said to me " He thinks I should get back together with my ex wife because we get on so well together and we have children together,but I told him that was ridiculous"
WHY TELL ME THOSE THINGS???
My friend was having Spanish lessons from him and he said "You know she is quite a flirt she kept pointing out suggestive words in Spanish for him to translate but he said "Of course I just ignored her but I knew what she was driving at I don't fancy her at all I would never go there" probably a lie I trusted my friend he was just trying to put a seed of doubt!
Lots more examples like this .He is a very clever manipulative man.
I did ask him why he felt the need to tell me about our mutual friend saying that about his ex wife when he knew I was in a relationship with him He just said "Oh I just think he has never known a divorced couple who get on so well Its just that he has never experienced it in his family before"
But I knew by then It was one of his mind tricks to have a little jab at me!
I am so glad he is out of my life now only very recently last contact with him was 10 days ago long may it last!
Triangulation
August 3, 2012 - 10:55pm — rosedewittbukaterTriangulation. It was a favorite of xN.
They also like to plant these little seeds of doubt and insecurities like yours did. In his case, he killed that bird with one stone.
I know exactly how you felt when he said these things to you. Something very similar took place in my r/s.
Try to make that 10 days into 20...then maybe 30!
xx, Rose
Heavy sigh...
August 3, 2012 - 7:55pm — DarleneN and I worked at the same place (a prison) when I met him...I have always considered myself highly respected...I worked hard for the respect from staff and offenders alike and have it...I get along well with eveeryone while he, on the otheer hand, was disliked by most...towards the end, he rtold me that "a friend of his" told him I wasn't very well liked "out there"...bullshit!!!it is just the opppsite!!!what do we call that???is it projection??
Projection
August 3, 2012 - 9:25pm — nolongerboundYep, that definitely sounds like projection!
Give is dome examples of the
August 2, 2012 - 5:19pm — Lovely1Give is dome examples of the subtle jabs. I had many but they were all covered in love :/
"She's beautiful, but not as
August 2, 2012 - 6:06pm — nolongerbound"She's beautiful, but not as beautiful as you or other women who are prettier than you."
"That's ok; my ex-girlfriend did (insert long story here about how awful she was) and I was able to deal with it. I think I'll be able to forgive you too."
"My friends said they would never date a girl as tall as you, but that's ok. I like you."
"I hate talking on the phone, but I'll do it for you because you have needs."
Urghh!
August 3, 2012 - 2:50am — ScarlettHow dare he!?
Sounds like some of the things mine said:
"How old are you again? You seem kind of mature...I don't mean you look old"
(Actually most people say I look younger than I am and in any case I am 4 years younger than him!)
You should know I like dominant women
[...]
Haha.. I knew you weren't a dominant woman when we met, but I was still attracted to you.
I have noticed your tendency to worry (Oh, would that be cos you keep disappearing and blowing so hot and cold??)
Making out when I went to visit him..
"You've got some skin on you, but you're so lean"
What is this? An insult..? A compliment ? I'm not a piece of meat!!!!
These guys really are cut
August 3, 2012 - 3:42pm — nolongerboundThese guys really are cut from the same cloth, aren't they? It's like they're freakin' clones or something.
To quote the Mighty Hunter...
August 3, 2012 - 3:49pm — florence (not verified)...Same freak, different body.
More examples:
August 2, 2012 - 7:03pm — FroglegsI'd just finished a drawing and asked what he thought. "Soandso is a much better artist than you are, but this is ok." Erm...that's not what I asked.
Meals I would spend all day on, he'd pour on the salt stating it was too bland, rendering the meals inedible.
"Jokingly" say I was getting chunky, complete with bear hug and swooping kiss 'n all, when I'd actually lost weight and was looking pretty damned hot.
I also got the, "You know soandso doesn't really like you," when in fact, after the split, the person despises him and loves the heck out of me! This woman is now my roommate and won't have anything to do with him.
So and so doesn't like you
August 7, 2012 - 9:07pm — rosedewittbukaterYeah...same here.
For me it was "so and so says I'm not in love with you"
Even if it were true, why on earth would you say something
like that?? Oh yeah, that's right...to build insecurity in another person and maintain your control over them...
that is disgusting !
August 3, 2012 - 3:32am — tigger27247when you said -
"Jokingly" say I was getting chunky, complete with bear hug and swooping kiss 'n all, when I'd actually lost weight and was looking pretty damned hot.
i wanted to come over there and smack him for you......lol.
that is absolutley disgraceful.......and i know because mine has said the same to me but in a different way..
also , when ive tried different diets and weve been shopping hes very quietly said to our daughter.... " your mums on another diet again "....why tell her?
and its not right to talk behind my back like that either
XX