No response to a hoover

No response to a hoover
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Ok girls I am asking for help in which I hope will be my last head straightener. No matter how much I try I cant quite get it into my head that a hoover IS NOT a compliment.

I havent had a hoover since the final d and d..but I just have a feeling that wont go away that he's going to be back.

I dont know if I am going to explain this properly but I will try..

It feels like if he hoovered 'one last time' it would show I was still in his thoughts, I would get an ego boost from that?

I have read things on here but for some reason I am just not quite getting it..so asking for help..maybe if people can give me stories of hoovers they fell for? I dont know what bit will make it click but I am so so much better.

When people say 'you dont matter' it makes me feel worthless and Im looking to try and get strength without making me feel shit..I hope that makes sense to someone? x

Snowflake's picture

Thank you all

I FINALLY GOT IT ! HOOVER IS NOT A COMPLIMENT!!!

I found some other threads too that I had missed, a great one from Deidre..I think...about a dead hamster..I think..PMSL.

Something finally clicked..and do you know what, its a relief to think this new way because Im not thinking..oh poor me he hasnt hoovered I must be worthless. Its a fab feeling, it really is so thank you all x

indenial's picture

Hi snowflake

What you're saying makes perfect sense. I don't know how long since he D&D 'd you or the circumstances but I know from many times being discarded and hoovered how you you feel.

I think the advice you've been given here is spot on.

I got so used to being discarded and hoovered that I never really took the time during nc to do the work on myself. I was always vulnerable to hoovers and I think I still could be now. It's been 5 weeks nc almost now. The longest he ever left be alone for before was 12 days. I do think he won't Hoover now or not for a very long time of ever. And I mean like years or months and I think only an indirect Hoover. I think I just became too exhausting for him and it was no fun playing with me and trying to control me anymore so he just have up and moved onto new supply. Or old supply recycled. I don't know for sure because I've tried to protect myself now fr knowing. It hurts too much and isn't good for my recovery.

A Hoover isn't a Compliment and to me they are very dangerous because I can get sucked back in before I realise it. I've hoped he'd Hoover but I've gone past the worst of that for the moment and am actually fearing him hoovering or seeing him at all but I can't keep hiding like this forever I know. Just until stronger.

It's difficult to deal with fear or rejection or abandonment. That's why I've never broken nc since the first few times he D&D'd me. The pain of the possible rejection is just to much. It's good you are working on this in therapy. What you are going through is perfectly natural and may just be the last thing to fix for you.

My ex n tried every Hoover trick in the book in the past. Begging, crying, pleading, promising me the world . Suicide threats, threats to harm me and my children and my ex partner, he smashed his car into a wall and left it parked accross my drive, he's threatened that if I have anyone else he will cut them open in front of me and then do the same to
Me. He's stalked he's bought gifts and holidays he's returned items of mine like a pair of dirty old garden flip flops just to make an excuse to contact he's smashed my car off the road with me in it. He's contacted through made up Facebook accounts in the past. The list goes on. I was just as addicted to the hoovering as I was to him. During the hoovering and luring I fantasised that he was the man I thought he was in the beginning even though I felt sick inside and knew it wasn't real.

This wanting him to Hoover is going to rise its head for me again and again in recovery sure. But like the girls say here we need to work really hard to go find the reason that we would want a Hoover off of them and why we think it would make us feel better. It's not healthy and it's extremely dangerous for us to be hoovered while we are still vulnerable . I ended up
So weakened by him that in the end he'd hoover and I just didn't have the strength to fight and I felt like I didn't have a choice. I've got to do the work now to try to deal with my issues that have mader feel that way.

You've come a long way. I remember you being here before when I was trying to get my head round this but I can't remember details.
You take care and keep working on you x

dabussard's picture

Hoover is not a compliant

I have been NC for a year now! I have had to change up everything that I do, when I go to the gas station or go to the grocery store to avoid him. He lives two miles from me.

My husband and I switched phones, he has my old number.. He (my husband) usually doesn't tell me when the N tries a hoover. (I don't want to know)....This last Saturday I pasted the N on the road about two hours later my husband got a text "wanna blanky blanky" Too rounchy for me to type on here... Really surprised that my husband even told me...

See the N pasted me on the road and thought, well she is alone maybe she will come up for some sex... But, In return he got silence...

They are all the same... He was low on supply and was like hey there's DB, maybe she's alone and horny and would like to hook up...

Hope this helps you in your hoover thoughts... Hoovering is using past supply... It will never be the way it was... It's a game of cat and mouse...

Used's picture

dab

You dont actually know if your husband does tells you? do you ?this may be a first hoover cos he saw you and thought oh there's dab, I will text her....doesnt you husband mind having your old phone?, couldnt he/you just change the number

Deidre99's picture

I've missed you, here.

I've missed you, here. ((hugs))
So nice to see you are NC for a year...wow!
Great work! I'm over a year now, too.

Nice seeing you.

dabussard's picture

Deidre

So nice to you too! It's been a tough year... But, I think I am reaching indifference... Cause that hoover just disgusted me... Didn't make me spin like before...

You are one of the members, along with the moderators that helped me get this far.

Just had to comment on the hoover post...

Take care Deidre and congrats to you on year!

Rising Dawn's picture

You matter to yourself, and that's what's important

About the hoover... if he did hoover you, yes, you were in his thoughts; but not in the flattering kind of way you'd like to think.

He's in need of supply, and he goes through his list of people that might provide it, and then he contacts one of more, just to see who would respond. Once he got his fix, he'll go on his merry way and ignore the responder until he needs his next fix. It is irrelevant who supplies him, as long as he gets it.

I understand it's hurtful to think that we don't matter, but it's a statement about them and not us. The point is - we (supply) can be anyone to them - we are just a thing or object to extract supply from - the person within is irrelevant to them. It is not saying YOU as a person doesn't matter.

Incidentally, why would you care about if you matter or not to someone who is disordered and treated you unkindly? Is his validation really worth more than your opinion of yourself?

You need to focus on yourself and figure out why you need his approval so much. Chances are he is just a representation of what you are missing, but he is NOT the one that's going to fix it for you.

Snowflake's picture

Rising Dawn

I have an ongoing fear of rejection which I am in cbt counselling. Unfortunately its a 'biggy' for me..fear of rejection from anyone in fact.

And yes you hit the nail on the head in that my head says to me I dont matter as a person to someone. I think thats where I stumble.

But I worry being weak in this area that I would be easy to hoover and I want to be proactive.

Both you and Deidre said some useful things though so thank you. I can imagine him sat there bored sending a 'round robin'..kind of does take the romantisism out doesnt it.

He d and d'd me in the end, I was so needy and open, he ignored me and was so cruel that I never want that back. I am worried though that if he takes another form I will forget the bad shit. I am such a sucker for the right words :( x

Rising Dawn's picture

We all have insecurities

Snowflake,

I am glad you are in CBT. I also have a fear of rejection - it is one of the reasons why I clung to my exN. The more he ignored me, the more I wanted him - it was crazy. I am also really bothered by unpleasant situations (disharmony), and I obsess over it unhealthily. I think these are both issues that made me prone to the N, but I exhibit this pattern with many things and other people in life, so it's something I am examining myself too.

I know it's not easy, but D99 is right - only we can make the choices for us. Don't fall for the "right words" if you know they are really not right.

Keep working and remember that we are here to support you.

xoxo

Deidre99's picture

I am such a sucker for the

I am such a sucker for the right words :( x

-- then change that, snowflake. only YOU can.

Snowflake's picture

Very true

Its part of my CBT work at the moment, recognising things is really hard, but yes thank you hon I am trying to change my way to an action rather than words way of thinking.

In the past I would always 'forget' the bad actions if he said he loved me. Yeah..something I am working on to make sure it doesnt happen again

Thanks Deidre x

Deidre99's picture

When he no longer matters to

When he no longer matters to you. When you no longer look for a hoover to validate you...

You will then, no longer care if he hoovers or not.

That's the serious truth. Hoovering is not a compliment. If you get a hoover, it will be to get something off of you. New supply.

The drug of choice for a narc is narcissistic supply. You don't cowtow to him anymore, so why would he hoover? Narcs tend to hoover people if they sense they can still pull the wool over such person's eyes.

Would you rob a house that has a pretty secure alarm system, or would you rob a house where the front door is always left open? Same principle.

The front door is shut, and he senses you aren't letting him gain access again.

All that said...

when you no longer seek an ego boost from a possible hoover, you will stop worrying about one. ;)

Snowflake's picture

Deidre

I agree, I am doing so well in my recovery and thats my last door that I dont think is fully closed, hence my posting on here to acknowledge thats my weakness.

I have come so so far that I need to 'battle up' and change my thinking so that it sets in stone and then I no longer have to think about it.

I used to think about him all the time, now not that much but I am scared that I am not thinking properly in this area and its my last stumbling block x

Deidre99's picture

This is a very hard process.

This is a very hard process. It really is. I'm thinking dieting is easier. lol :=P

My ex N hoovered in bizarre ways last year. All for me to break NC so he could insult me, hang the phone up on me. lol Nice huh? He wanted revenge because I broke up with him.

I honestly think we are 'used' to dating bad men. And so, this is part and parcel of thinking like this. Normal men don't hoover. lol They might mess up, and apologize...and then, seeing we are not getting back together with him, will respect us, and leave us be to have a better life.

Not these nuts. They like to poke. Prod. Hoover. It's all a game.

So, I think when you and I start dating normal non narc men...we will see and expect better behaviors. We won't accept someone to break our boundaries and find that complimentary.

I have known girls in my life who thought if you're hit by a guy, that means he really cares. WHAT???!!

So, we have to change what we consider complimentary.

Stalking, hoovering, and breaking boundaries is not a compliment. It's an insult.

I think most narcs think we're stupid. I really do.

yokidoki's picture

Stupid..

Snowflake you aren't stupid let me clarify. I am agreeing with Deidre!! Exes think we were born yesterday!! My ex broke up with me in December I fell for his stupid Hoover in jan. Ex played me very very well!! Pretended to care about me and proceeds to tell me about his new girlfriend !! I blocked him after I had heard enough and realized I had been hoovered. April comes along ex Facebook messages me I didn't even glance at it all I see is his profile picture of himself and his girlfriend !! Block... 2 weeks ago I get strange phone calls from a number I do not reconize.. I do not think anything of it... I get a text almost a week later from a area code that says hey what's up? Odd concidence... Ex cousin lives in that area code! Change my number the next day no more calls... Exes are stupid! Hoovering is not a compliment... I find Hoovering to be annoying and honestly if we didn't block them it would verge on insanity!

Snowflake's picture

From the bottom of my heart

thank you so much. I have toyed with whether to create this topic..I know its been a well posted subject in various forms..I have read and read..and yes I agree yok like all on here I not stupid intellectually but emotionally theres something missing ..to be still having to safeguard emotions against a hoover..its a worry for me, I wish it wasnt but I believe in honesty on here and that is my worry x

fallingfoward's picture

One of the keys...

that Goldie gave me, was to understand how I was looking at the situation.

I remember some of your story Snowflake, and remember how some of the issues stem from childhood. I have childhood issue that I am also working at.

One of the issues had to do with how I relate to love. I could share a story, but it would take some time. However because of the situations growing up, my emotional need of love and approval was childlike.

I however, can look at a situation with the adult in me. This is the logical side, and you Snowflake have the knowledge for this situation.

Goldie advised me to live my life from the adult perspective and not make any decisions from my the child within (the emotional side). When I use to think of the narc is was from the emotional dwarf child in me. I now make the decisions from the adult in me. The adult protects the child. That is how we protect ourselves, till our emotions connect with the adult in us. The healing concerns the inner child with self-love and approval.

I know you have the strengh to walk through this. You have done amazing so far and are growing so much.

hugs
ff

Snowflake's picture

Hey ff

:) wow so much support on this thread I am touched by all of you, thank you.

My cbt doesnt touch on inner child work so I have been reading some self help books to try and understand more. When I am scared, hurt, undermined I become the bullied child again..so I have carried this bullied child now for 35 years..and boy she is heavy! So I need to heal her..did you find any techniques that worked well for you ?

I myself start a counselling course and some volunteering work with new families in Sept. Its not selfless its selfish for purposes of taking me away from me and refocusing x

fallingfoward's picture

Snowflake...

I have to look for the books that I read. Give me till tomorrow to pm them to you. I have lend some out, but I will get the titles.

Good for you for volunteering. I hope once my schedule gets into a routine, I am able to help others in someway.

xoxo
ff

Snowflake's picture

Aw thank you ff

That would be great x