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Does anyone here know much about addiction ? Or can post any useful links?
Although my head is getting clearer I feel like I'm suffering some kind of physical withdrawal symptoms. I'm a bit of a mess tonight. It's the first time I've really cried and felt the intense loss.
Not in anyway tempted to break nc just feeling like I'm on some massive withdrawal. I'm hoping this is a positive sign and I'm assuming that it is the effects of the addiction to him but I'm not sure because I never considered myself to be an addict before and it's not something I know much about. I've kind of always managed to give things up before and never had a problem I.e smoking drinking overrating shopping I've never felt like I've been addicted to any of those things and when I've needed to or wanted to stop I have.
Addiction Recovery
July 18, 2012 - 7:09am — PortiaFor me the real problem in recovery from the N's in my life was that I didn't realize I was an addict. This is not like going out and drinking or doing drugs, or even smoking cigarettes. The addiction is a mental one, and the origins of it are almost always in our childhood. So you have a whole lifetime to review -- and that takes time!
I had started therapy for me in my 20's, because I knew instinctively that my family of origin issues were causing me to make decisions and live in a way that was not healthy for me. I did not realize for several years that the patterns I had been taught culturally and by my family in particular were those of a codependent/enabler. I was taught that was what a "good" woman did for her family, and men's agenda was definately more important than women's agenda. If you listen to the lyrics of country music and sad love songs, you will hear the themes of codependent behavior. It is almost like we hypnotize ourselves and use the music as a mantra to keep ourselves in this mental prison where WE are responsible for other people's actions. That pretty much makes us putty in the hands of an N.
So, if you want my advise, stop trying to figure out what is wrong with the N. The shortcut bottom line is he is disordered, there is no cure, and nothing you did or can do will ever make any difference. Concentrate on your own recovery, figure out where your basic training went wrong, and where you acquired the "habit(s)" that are killing you. Construct your own rehab program, develop patience because it will not happen over night. Every one is different, it takes as long as it takes. But be good to yourself, set boundaries and stick with them. If you screw up, don't give up. This forum is great because you will soon see you are not alone, and the support here is wonderful. To paraphrase a famous Hunter saying -- We are all the other woman, and we are all addicts. We get it, and we help each other to get over it.
Regarding addiction...
July 17, 2012 - 3:44pm — lettinggoNP44Letting go of a narcissist definitely definitely conjures up feelings of withdrawal. What helped me was participating in a 12-step group (SLAA) and there is a lot of talk about withdrawal. In fact a lot of other addicts (alcohol, narcotics) in SLAA talk about how the withdrawal from a person was often times more acute than anything they experienced with drugs and alcohol.
I know for me I describe it as the "going out of my skin" feeling. Literally feeling like I had to sit on my hands in order to avoid calling them. It's truly an addiction. For me, my narc fed me a fantasy life and it was insatiable, my need for him. The withdrawal was not only about me letting go of him, but also sitting still with all of the uncomfortable feelings that letting go of him brought up for me (surpressed feelings I had run away from in being with him, including memories from childhood and issues with my family).
I would say the first 11 days are the hardest in regard to withdrawal and then it ebs and flows for the first two months. I'm 6 months into my freedom and it truly gets better. But you've got to sit with the withdrawal and the pain to truly get to the other side.
trying to find a short-cut
July 17, 2012 - 10:36pm — no more an echoHi lettinggoNP44,
You really summed it up for me with:
"The withdrawal was not only about me letting go of him, but also sitting still with all of the uncomfortable feelings that letting go of him brought up for me (suppressed feelings I had run away from in being with him, including memories from childhood and issues with my family)."
I knew, even when Mr. NarcoPath was pursuing me so hotly, that I needed an escape from my life. (Shame on Preacher-Man, too, though, for exploiting that vulnerability!)
I was dealing with so many family issues at the time and also, added to that, my daughter's drug/alcohol addiction. I guess I was trying to take a short-cut around the pain in my life...
Live and learn, huh?
the physical aspect is
July 17, 2012 - 4:24pm — fernthe physical aspect is interesting... with P3, I could feel my arms really tensing up badly when I felt I needed to contact him... like if you are busting for a smoke, having a stressful day and got none on you!
Thankfully I always resisted! Not the smokes though...
My first P, a long, long time ago, was a heroin addict, and I was there for 5 home old turkeys, so I've seen what that's like.
There are a lot of similarities there and like you say, it's worth reading up on that type of addiction, the withdrawals and overcoming it (although for many alcoholics and drug addicts they are addicts for life, whether absitinent or not)
We need to go cold turkey and stay away from our drug, forever.
You can do this, it will get better, hang in there hon
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searching for topics on Lisa's forum
July 17, 2012 - 3:08pm — no more an echoHi Rising Dawn & indenial,
There IS an easy way to search for topics on Lisa's forum.
I use GOOGLE and say I wanted to look-up the topic of "addictions". Try searching like this:
lisaescott.com forum: addictions
It works like a charm...
p.s. You can also search phrases, whole sentences and even a forum member's name- that's helpful if you want to read more topics from a particular member!
Good tip!
July 17, 2012 - 3:34pm — Rising DawnThanks! That's very clever. I was thinking along the lines of searching within this site once I am already in it, but thanks for the tip!
RD
Try looking through previous posts...
July 17, 2012 - 3:00pm — Rising DawnThere were several posts about addictions over the last couple of months (I am relatively new here, and I remember reading them, so they were within the last 2 months).
I wish there is an easy way to find them, but if you go through the old posts, you might be able to find the word "addiction" with a screen search (ctrl+F) and find the posts that way.
Good luck!
two to speak of
July 17, 2012 - 11:17pm — CostaGood point. There have been several Threads recently. Maybe a site search, like " addiction site:lisaescott.com " will give a big list of possible Threads to check.
But there are two Addictions, aren't there. One being us to our partner or ex partner, (rarely if ever I suppose, or in a very different way, us to a parent, sibling or child who is N), and the Addiction of the Narc to their Supply.
I believe its the Narc addicted to their Supply, which renders them unable of change and pathological. The Addiction probably just has to return, no matter the duration of the honeymoon period, or how many honeymoon periods there are, it has to return sooner or later. And then the Narc reverts to type.
Difficult, because both Addiction to Supply, and masking that Addiction during the honeymoon, require such Energy that presumably they sap from us or indeed anyone nearby.
Just thinking out aloud here. That it shouldn't be our Addiction that is the problem to be solved, but rather voiding ourselves of the N Supply Addicts.