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I ran in the rain today….well actually yesterday…just decided to post it today.
Most people think this is odd, unusual, silly or childish even; apparently…given the fact for an hour and a half I had exclusive use of the running track. I thought differently. It was the perfect environment to camouflage my flood of tears. The tears necessary to release the sorrow, the pain and fight feelings of “ending it all”. I hate those feelings…they haunt me and pop up in an instant, totally out of nowhere.
As I run, I purposely listen to songs that make me cry. I want this pain out of me, away, to exit my body and soul. Of course I alternate with a strong, kick-ass kind of song to regroup and pretend I’m tough, I tell myself “I got this now…this experience is NOT going to get me down.” I sincerely do want to be strong again, independent, full of self-esteem and knowing exactly who I am, what I’m all about, rebuilding my confidence level to a new high…hell, just any confidence at all would be appreciated at this point. Put all my boundaries back in place, cemented, bolted and board certified to be safe and secure. I am trying with all my might to “do something” to get better…move on….move forward.
I cannot let this dark hearted, sadistic, freak of nature take me out! I have to learn from this horrid experience, move forward and with purpose. I am still searching and waiting desperately to know why it was “me” that had to be the one he chose to profile, study, and get to know like the back of his hand so he could at that very opportune moment sink his hooks in to. (He was so very patient.) Why ”me” to be the one he professed his counterfeit love for…and why “me” who ended up feeling as if the last seven years of my life were stolen from me leaving me depleted, fending off depression and feelings of wanting to die. Oh yeah, and WHY ME who had to feel the absolute worse pain anyone could have ever known…EVER!!!! Why did he lie, make promises and break them, cheat on me, and finally in the end do what he swore he would never EVER do…throw me away…and without one single explanation or apology. No facing me, acknowledging any fault, admitting any wrong doing. Simply just crumpling me up and throwing me away like a damn paper towel.
Why me?
It’s been almost 8 months and I’m back, stuck again. Not with him. TRUST ME…that will never happen again. I’ve been on that trip many, many times during the seven years I was with him. Back and forth, him leave, me leave….I’m sorry, he’s sorry…all so clear to me now it was for my “recharging” to be the best supply I could be for him. Gag… No, I am back to obsessing over him/her and what they are doing…will they get married…will he give her all the promises, hopes, future he promised me. Any why do I CARE? Why can’t I get passed this crap? He’s a freakin’ disordered person who nearly took my life!
The night of the final D&D I was at my lowest point. I had zero life in me. Any lower life energy and I would have been literally dead. Get the picture? I began my journey to new life that night as well… by talking to my son, a couple of friends, and I came here…here is where I finally found answers. I read, read, and read some more. When I couldn’t read because my eyes were too tired I listened…to Youtube Sam Vaknin. In just a few short weeks I had accumulated an education equal to 4 college semesters of knowledge about narcissism. I talked to Goldie, was one of the first to join the group sessions…had a therapist who has a lifetime of experience exclusive to domestic violence and narcissism. I worked my butt off on assignments…read Lisa’s book…did each assignment more than once. I was getting all of the anger, pain, tears, and uncertainty out and in the open. I was healing…becoming stronger…gaining acceptance…feeling apathy towards him….getting myself back and finding direction.
GRATEFULNESS was pouring out of me each day. I felt like I was in a fairy tale … life was getting so clear, beautiful, and bright; filled with light. I was on a direct path toward happiness with purpose and actually believed that I was just about completely healed! I had no fear. There was no stopping me now.
Narcville was in my rearview mirror….bye, bye narc…see ya, wouldn’t want to be ya!
Then…out of nowhere…I slammed into a brick wall; the familiar brick wall of pain.
Plus, I missed “him”. I don’t remember making a U-turn. I certainly did not want to be back here.
And most of all I want all thoughts of him to cease to exist. I’d love to be hypnotized with zero memory of who he is, what he is, where he is and why he is allowed to do this harm and get away with it…to have there be no reckoning of his actions. I WANT THE WORLD TO KNOW WHAT HE’S DONE.
I am told to let it go. Forget him and what he’s done and move on. Take the focus off of him and put it on myself…my new life. Learn from my mistake…Don’t seek justice against him…he’s disordered…it’s not worth it. “Disordereds” don’t have to obey the rules right. Yeah…maybe that’s why they think the rules don’t apply to them, because we allow the rules to not apply to them.
Please excuse my language but I find this to be nothing more than “bullshit”.
Someone please clarify it. If a mentally challenged, 20-year-old rapes a child do we just let it go? Forget it and move on? Take the focus off him and his actions and put it on her. Don’t seek justice for this little girl. She made a mistake from being at the wrong place – wrong time…she should learn from it. That’s like saying, “Oh, it’s not really ok that he hurt that child but we just have to drop it, move forward because he’s mentally challenged. We can’t make him deal with his actions, he couldn’t help it, and besides, he’s disordered.
Here I am…and there all of you are. Victimized, abused, violated, and thrown away…made to feel worthless and told we should just let it go. Just drop it and move on.
Why? Because he is disordered and it’s ok that HE gets to hurt and destroy people’s lives.
Well…I’m sorry…I don’t think I can do that.
I’m not going to end my life. I’m not going to take his. But I AM NOT going to drop it and move on.
I can’t move. I am stuck and I know why…because he has caused me an unjust harm and he needs to be accountable for it, disordered or not. I do not know what I am going to do.
Somewhere, someone took the first step against domestic violence; someone was a voice for those who couldn’t help themselves…someone started the fight to stop the abuse. It was not ok and someone stood up.
Maybe, just maybe, I will be the one who takes the first step against narcissistic abuse and her abuser. He can’t hurt me any worse than I’ve already been hurt…this I know for a fact.
Someone has to stand up and say this is not ok.
Give me one good reason why I should not pursue this.
ONE GOOD REASON!
Hey ff
July 16, 2012 - 3:41pm — shock and awe.someI could have written most of the words in your post. Finally through therapy i have found my voice. It has changed my life & will continue to do so. I get what you are saying. I'm finally using my voice. Some ppl don't like this new woman, but I'm done being a pleaser.
I tell every person who knew him that he was a bully. Most folks have never heard of NPD, so this is my intro to the disorder. Funny, but everyone who knows him, knows there's something fundamentally askew in him, but what? Now they have a name for it. I think this is true for most N's. Their disregard for others catches up with them. Ppl fear them, ppl hate them, their families avoid them.
After 6 months, I decided to take the X to civil court b/c he won't return my things. Most ppl on here advised against it. I thought & prayed for 6 months about this. I concluded that it's not from revenge, I have a legit legal claim.
One other thing, everyone is on their own life path. Everyone comes into our lives for a reason. The more tuition we pay, the greater the education. God allowed you to go thru this fire so HE can purify you. Remove all of your toxins so that you can be pure.
I hope you pray about it, take your time & decide where best to focus that incredible energy! Love & hugs....
shock&awe.some...thank you
July 16, 2012 - 4:05pm — fearlessfemalethank you for your comments and cheer of hope.
I am praying very hard. I actually have been put on a prayer list recently at a church near my work. (anonymously, the Pastor was a friend of xNarc)
The prayer request is simply for guidance and direction;
a purpose for experiencing this trauma and abuse.
This much I do know. There IS A REASON other than my own personal healing that I went through all of this. I'm just uncertain to what that reason is.
I am so very tired and I need to relax, be patient as Hunter says, and let the prayers be answered.
-fefe
FeFe
July 16, 2012 - 4:40pm — sweetpeasarahmy take on this...for what its worth, is our own personal healing IS the reason why.
I dont know your story, but im sure its as horrific as most on here,but throughout your life have you ever felt truely at peace with yourself? I know on reflection now I NEVER have. Many disfunctional relationships, Narc mother and brother (I now know) etc . From reading the stories on here it seems that the MAJORITY of us have childhood issues. I guess what im saying is we have all spent a long time trying to suss what we needed from life, floundering through and then BAM along comes Mr Narc. The answer to all our hopes and dreams...everything feels wonderful, youve come home. BECAUSE they fooled us, learned everything about us, then played with it and abused it because THEY HAVE ISSUES TOO. I agree totally with what hunter says here on this post, it happened because WE ALLOWED IT. No its not right that they treat us badly and then throw us away, but if we were secure in our own soul we would have run for the hills as soon as the crap started. Its not our fault, and its harrowing, but for me at least it has pushed me, finally, to make peace WITH MYSELF. It was shitty, gut wrenchingly painful, but, at 55 years old im finally learning inner peace. I would have HATED to have reached the end of my life never having reached this point. I really do understand where your coming from, but only people who experience Narcs personally, truely understand the devestation they cause, so trying to 'warn' others would be a dificult task...who would believe these 'Oscar winning actors' were 'bad people' other then their victims.
Sweetpea
July 16, 2012 - 5:28pm — neverlookbackI have NEVER felt at peace until after this experience - and that is rather sad - if it took this experience to bring me to this place well then.... so be it - I have gained so much more than I ever ever lost when all is said and done. I never lost HIM, (not much to lose with a psycho) but I did lose myself because of the effects this sick person had on me. Some people would have RUN FOR THE HILLS when the warning signs started to fall - not many with these clever clever actors, but some - Glad we are at that place of peace
Peace
July 17, 2012 - 7:39am — Janie53I too, have never felt such peace as I do now. I feel this way because now after 50 plus years, I put myself first. While I was still struggling to understand my part in dancing with the devil, I was adament about finding ways to let the world know all about narcs and psychopaths. It is important but it became a distraction to my healing. I had a lot of work to do on myself and I finally changed the focus to me. In a way, it sounds selfish but so be it. If I can't take care of me, I can't take care of anyone.
As most of you know, I am in the best place I have ever been and still feel passionate and determined to help and protect others from these disordered freaks. I am a big fan of people learning by example. I will stay true to me and hope that someone will learn from that. I am not in anyway dismissing the need to promote awareness of NPD. Rather, I think each of us will find a way that works for each of us.
Fefe, continue to work on you and I am confident, you will find your way to help others stay true as well.
Stay true-
xoxoxo
Janie
Yes NLB
July 17, 2012 - 3:01am — sweetpeasarahi guess there has to be a positive from the whole nasty experience,and if finding inner peace, finally, is it, then i'll run with that.
i really dont think i ever would have found it without going through the 'toad nightmare'.
i have to have faith in Karma, and hopefully these morons will end up sad lonely old gits, and all who have suffered at their hands will blossom.
xx
Hello.. Here's the
July 16, 2012 - 10:09am — HunterHello..
Here's the thing...what they do is NOT OK..
Lisa and many published authors are spreading the word..
What the Dog Whisperer did to me is NOT OK .. But I ALLOWED IT TO HAPPEN..
It really does take 2 to tango..
Going forward .. I am 100% positive that I will never be a victim to a freak again..
This unpleasant experience was never about this preadator but about me and my weaknesses ..
As for how you feel.. Your just not there yet..
Be patient ..
Hunter
Hunter, I know this!
July 16, 2012 - 10:42am — fearlessfemaleI know I allowed this as well.
At the time I wasn't aware that crackhead was a narc.
I too am 100% positive I will never be a victim to a freak again. EVER!
My unpleasant experience had a lot to do with my past...a past that he was fully aware of, researched, and used to his full benefit due to the evilness of this dark-heart.
He USED AND ABUSED ME completely and with full knowledge of what he was doing.
Lisa claims this is not OUR FAULT in her book and on this site. And yes, she and others are doing an excellent job of getting the word out about narcissism and narcissistic abuse. I applaud them and I am so very grateful for them.
MY MISSION IS TO STOP THE ABUSE, HAVE THE ABUSER BE ACCOUNTABLE. Yes I stayed and allowed it...but I stayed because I was brainwashed, manipulated, and abused...all part of his disordered way of thinking and part of his deliberate plan.
If I had only had one little bruise...one little black eye...the seven years of torture from this monster may have had a different ending. He would have to be accountable for his actions and justice would have been
served.
Because someone has taking a stand against domestic violence. The pain and abuse from narcissistic abuse is the same and/or worse in some cases. I just feel the need to do something, you know? I am hurting quite badly...and this is a pain no one should feel.
It is the most difficult pill I have ever had to swallow.
To know that he has hurt me, he has no remorse, accepts no blame or fault, leaves me to deal with all this SHIT!...and moves on to the next victim. All smiles, happy, and living it up!
-fefe
They
July 16, 2012 - 11:42am — neverlookbackare NOT "all smiles" as you might imagine them to be. Remember these individuals are addicts - and what they do is what they HAVE to do in order to survive and live. Take away people and victims in their lives and you will see their smile vanish VERY QUICKLY. Its a smile a drug addict gets when he is shooting up, or using the drug of his choice; but they must always be on the hunt for people to give them their "Fix" - remember the central three is what they live for; control, domination and power over others; if one drug doesnt work for them anymore they must secure another source and another and another and another - it never ends - its a smile that quickly vanishes - its only a temporary fix to their HUGE void within - we on the other hand are for the most part content within, we dont have the TOTAL NOTHING inside that they live with until their last breath.
Mother Teresa once quoted: “The hunger for love is much more difficult to remove than the hunger for bread.” I didnt know just how true this was until after this experience.
You sound so much like my expressions I shared a year ago - I wanted to take 4 years from his life as he took from mine - no more and no less - that sounds fair I think for the most part to keep HIM a prisoner, and to psychologically torture him as he did me - then I wanted to tell his GF what she was living with and what he does behind her back - but the only problem with that is TOO RISKY, it would only hurt HER and NOT HIM - I mean I would not want to be responsible for someone trying to kill themselves or going off the deep end by telling her she is living with a full blow sexual predator psychopath - I wanted to play all the sick messages he left me for 4 years and what he said about her - and what he does while she is grocery shopping - and that what she is living is nothing but a F'ing love illusion -
However, here is the thing; it wont make him normal, it wont undo what he did, and it would not have stopped my pain - what will stop my pain is living MY LIFE to the fullest and taking with me the experience of this trauma and recognizing him for what he was - NO of course I will NEVER forgive him; he doesnt deserve to LIVE for what he is and maybe some pissed off husband, or brother will put a bullet in his head - whatever awaits him is what HE has cultivated for himself and his life from his disorder and infliction - Smiles you say? Oh my dear, betraying, conning and deceiving others your whole life is not smiles.
I'm with you
July 15, 2012 - 10:15pm — TruthbeginsTodayI WILL find a way to DO something about it.
I will. Passion and compassion are powerful drivers for me.
I've been down this road and fought for justice before...it's not easy but it's possible.
I'm already standing up and saying that this is not ok in my area.I'm working on an awareness program and legal advocating.
He took away my voice for a very long time. I have it back.
I'm going to find a way to get louder.
We should talk.
clarifying what I meant in myprevious post
July 16, 2012 - 11:45am — TruthbeginsTodayI have no desire to pay any attention to my ex N/P in any way.
I simply want to educate myself and others...including those who we turn to for help. Family, friends, police, therapists, attorneys, Judges etc.In order to protect the forgotten ones.....OUR CHILDREN.
It's not my job to hold them(disordered) accountable but it is my job to protect my children. And let's face it...we can get out but they get no say.....they are forced into a life of confusion.
I'm not ok with that...and never will be.
I spent a great deal of my life in the family courts and have seen the injustice.Case after case of the lazy system unwilling to make decisions because they had nothing to work with except.. he said...she said. EVEN JUDGES can't figure out who is lying and they rarely try.
Our children HAVE NO advocates except for us...and we are NOT taken seriously.
Please someone explain to me....IF the disordered are too
much for us to handle and so insidious, manipulating, calculating and damaging to US....HOW do we expect a child to survive it?
I was an adult when I first encountered this sick person.
I was confident and strong and yet I could not survive in that environment for long.NO CHILD should be expected to survive it either.
It's not OK.
I'm so sorry that our children are destined to suffer because the system does not yet recognize the damage of emotional abuse....on US and our children.
My son is grown...but I am educating him because I love him.
I will be trying to educate others because I care about the victims and their children.
I'm still healing...and not quite there yet but when I'm stronger I'll be speaking UP and out.
one of my favorite quotes:
If you can't be a fine example you can at least serve as a terrible warning.
Truth
they won't survive...
July 16, 2012 - 12:27pm — fearlessfemale...they'll end up like me and fall prey to a screwed up son of a bitch that knew EXACTLY what he was doing.
This guy is not a regular cheater, or womanizer, sex addict, HE IS A PSYCOPATH, MISOGYNIST, PATHOLOGICAL LIAR, MASTER MANIPULATOR, ABUSER who harms people and get's away with it! He worked as an undercover narcartics officer for many years, was well trained in how to get people to trust him, believe in him...FOOL THEM. Apparently he just took this knowledge and training and used it well in his personal life.
I simply do not want him to think he can do this for the rest of his life. The timing is right...he has lost his job, friends, church, wife/daughter...only one he has to adore him is the OW who was physically abused and has fallen prey to him. He targets very specific women. The last 3 for certain...40's, recently getting out of a physically abusive relationship (one of his favorite lines...I would NEVER hit you and that behavior is unacceptable). Of course not...That behavior leaves effidence and the fact he is so "concerned" and "sympathetic" just makes you want to give him a big ole hug. GAG! He may not have ever hit me but I would have traded 1000 physical beatings in place of the hurt he has caused me. And because of the stress and my nerves, my skin has physical scars that will never heal.
I CAN NOT STAND BY KNOWING WHAT HE HAS DONE TO ME AND LET HIM BE ALLOWED TO DO THIS TO SOMEONE, MANY SOMEONE ELSES!
I have many things to consider.
At this point, I want to write a book. Not naming names but with his character traits, jobs, history...no way you could not know it is him. I'll explain who he is, what he does, and why I fell prey. Just want to make sure this will be helpful in preventing someone elses pain.
REASONS AT THIS POINT why I am hestitant and want to do more research, ask for advice here, is I also have no idea what he will do. I am afraid of him. I have to face this fear. I do not want him to hurt my son...what he does to me...not an issue. Of course, I want to live but even that is for my son's sake. I can't stand the thought of my son experiencing any pain.
I also can not live with the fact he (the narc) may actually do something to himself, regardless how much pain he has caused me. I do not want anyone to suffer. That is my whole point.
NO MORE SUFFERING - NO MORE VICTIMS...at least for this one narc who has had and hurt more than his share.
...and I know there will be more.
I would love to SOMETHING to prevent this.
-fefe
Ah, law enforcement
July 16, 2012 - 1:36pm — neverlookbackmine as well - a Sheriff who was a pillar to the community - what a SAD, joke - but again very very common in a position of power and authority for the image and to gain the average persons trust -
You bet they arent the "average asshole" we embarked upon the worst human predators that walk the earth - YES they know what they do, but they DONT CARE - I think I have read over 20 books on the subject of psychopathy - I KNOW the disorder but I also know because of his lack of remorse and conscience it would almost be impossible to hurt him - oh I could inconvenience him a bit, maybe piss him off some but not even close to the destruction and impact he did to my life.
I have often thought of writing a book but WOW, the work it would involve - from my experience I believe I have a unique perspective on what the recovery involves and since I dont personally want revenge nowhere in my book would it state: "Living well is your best revenge" I find this statement difficult to accept let alone DO, but I know what they are trying to convey when they say this - move on with your life, life is short - live the beautiful life you were intended to live and dont waste a minute more on a sick person - that is pretty much what that means. Its good advise but NOT what someone wants to hear after fallen victim to such a crime. We are ridden with anger, we were betrayed and deceived beyond what our minds cant comprehend - we are left not even knowing who the hell we are in the aftermath.
Perhaps the most I can do is to help those that follow me to recover FASTER; this took a HUGE chunk from my precious life - in reality he KILLED ME for 4 years - I woke up and came back to life now that I am FULLY awake I DO want to help others and I do wish I could prevent this sick son of a bitch from doing this to another person. I think its an awareness thought that can only be across the board - although I often wondered what his captain would think having someone on the police force like this - a man that wanted to see me raped, yet his job was to PREVENT his community from harm - mmmmm talk about gaslighting and distorting reality ha Yes I would like to take down his world; his image, his props that make him appear normal - I would LOVE to do that - I would love to take his whole little game apart and destroy him for all eternity and leave him alone for this rest of his life to never again have victims but I am powerless to do that - I can only spread awareness by falling victim to such an animal -
I agree
July 16, 2012 - 12:46pm — TruthbeginsTodayYOU SAID.."they'll end up like me and fall prey to a screwed up son of a bitch that knew EXACTLY what he was doing."
This is true OR they can end up like him.
I was raised in a N/P environment and 2 of my siblings are N's.
You are doing something....you started with you and it WILL be passed on to others in any way you choose.YOU are protecting your son. YOU are stopping the cycle of abuse.You are fearless.
I wish my mother had support to recognize and run. I wish I had been protected...but our earlier generations really didn't know how to recognize this kind of sickness...and know how damaging it can be. WE KNOW. WE learned the hard way.
We will find a way.
TRUTH
I can give you a few good reasons
July 14, 2012 - 7:02pm — neverlookbackI wrote exactly what you wrote aprox a year back - I was stuck knowing there was nothing I could do for the injustice he did to my life - NOTHING - and it goes beyond unfair - I know life is not fair but WOW what they did should have put them in prison, however they broke moral and ethical laws for the most part - nothing I could convict mine for at least. He would of told the judge, "but your honor I didnt rape her, she spread her legs willingly!"
You must always remember when you ask "why me? Why did he have to target me and do this? Because, you were special, very special and wonderful thats why!!! I know you dont feel special now in the aftermath - but trust me you were and still are. Its the same theory as when you need to go to a specialist to medically treat something, you want the BEST medical treatment you can find; same with these disordered individuals; they want the BEST, caring, loving, targets that are available to them and they want the BEST because our job was to FEED their disorder. Of course NOTHING ever sustains or satisfies them in the long run before they are off looking over the horizon for another promising target. They literally feed off of decent, good people - take a little of this from that one, or this one, or the other one.
Not only do they cheat on all their partners sexually; they cheat in life. and of course that is easy because all the cards are in their favor; when you have no conscience or remorse the world is your oyster; they are only cheating themselves because the truth of what they are is so beneath us that when you get through this experience and reach the other side you will see him as not just the person who hurt you so deeply but a REAL IDIOT. His games, scams, shams were not worth one second of the heart break we endured. There is a period of intense pain that is in the aftermath but it passes the more we can see their stupid, and lowlife behaviors. I hope I have helped you some to not take it totally personal - what he is of course does NOT excuse him for one second, I understand what you are saying but if you think he is getting by with all that he has done, THINK AGAIN - they pay a price for being psychopaths - a life I would never want - x0
Rosa Parks
July 14, 2012 - 9:21pm — fearlessfemale...I wonder how many times Rosa Parks was told there was NOTHING she could do when a white person wanted her seat on the bus. "Just give them your seat Rosa, there is nothing you can do." I applaud Rosa for not listening to all the compliant ones and sitting firmly in her seat that day. She deserves my member name.
I've done all the work on healing and recovery.
Although I know I am a worthy for the first time in my life I know this. Plus, I know I am also a deserving person, but I still have a ways to go to believe this with all my heart. My original post isn't about this.
It is more about a reckoning and a pursuit to stop the abuse. An abuse that is VERY REAL AND UNJUST.
I just want him to be responsible for what he has done.
He doesn't have to pay me one red cent, doesn't have to apologize to me, there is no need for him to even come in contact with me at all. I just want all the people in this town including the ones he has hurt to know he is a fraud...he hurts people...and he doesn't feel the need to accept fault. I should have put the posters up I made
when I got discarded.
I guess what I want as a result of him having to be accountable is to make an example out of him. That there are more like him out there and they are getting away with inflicting a horrid pain on innocent people and can walk away free to hurt again. I want him to know I know what he is and what he does. It isn't right.
And I was told by nardtard all the time how special I was and that I was a wonderful woman. Maybe he said this to make himself feel better...because he needed to be sure he had the best. Or maybe he told me because he had to make up for the fact his actions never showed that I was special. At any rate, I no longer need nor desire to hear that I am special or wonderful by him. His words are worthless, fraudulent, and unnecessary. I'm just not confident in the meaning of being special anymore. I mean I was so special to him that he ended up throwing me away.
I know it has a different meaning coming from you and you were saying this out of total kindness and sincerety. :)
I do appreciate your kindness and your thoughts, comments, and reasons. I'm not wanting to take him to court...I'm really not sure what I want. I just know I NEED TO DO SOMETHING.
I feel it is my destiny to do something MORE.
Perhaps I will write a book. At the very least it will get more of this "junk" out of me; his toxic poison that he has filled my brain with over the past several years.
I am not trying to hurt him. Just don't want him to be allowed the priviledge to hurt anyone else. I do honestly feel he believes it is his privilege.
-fefe
One good reason
July 14, 2012 - 11:21am — abandonedandhurtYou wrote EVERYTHING I feel! I am with you 100%. Anything I can do towards this initiative I WILL do. Private message me anytime or email me. Message me and Ill give you my email.
wsh
July 14, 2012 - 10:13am — fearlessfemaleEXCELLENT IDEA!
Lisa? Would you go on OPRAH?
July 14, 2012 - 9:48am — wshFearlessFemale - I have been thinking about your post here & all the replies. And while I do agree that we have to heal ourselves & we can not change the narc or what happened, & forget about getting "accountability" from them, I too when I get triggered & I'm angry at him "getting away with it". It is NOT about "revenge" - I too feel that it's about accountability & justice! About doing for others what no one did for us in our childhoods, stand up for & be an advocate for the survivors of the abusers.
OPRAH was mentioned - here's a woman who is known for "standing up" for injustice in the world. And we have our dear Lisa, who is doing exactly what we're talking about here - she has taken her own experience and IS being an advocate for others. Where would any of us be without Lisa & our Mods?
So.....I can't get the idea out of my head of Lisa on OPRAH. With Lisa's permission of course, I wonder what would happen if we all wrote to OPRAH & simply asked her to do this? It's pro-active; it's standing up against evil; it is being an advocate; & just may be a great self-esteem boost for us survivors & help our own healing.
Feedback please.
I am sorry for your pain. I
July 13, 2012 - 11:54pm — Deidre99I am sorry for your pain. I was thinking recently about all the pain here, felt by us all. So similar. And we are all so different, but our pain unites us, sort of.
It's a deep, soul pain. My soul was what needed healing. And same for you.
My 'one good reason' for you to not pursue anything against him is this...will it heal you? Will it end your torment?
I liken it to imagining a loved one being murdered. Will the murderer being executed...bring me peace? Will it bring my loved one back? Will it heal my soul? Will it erase what happened?
No.
Likewise, if you seek to pursue some type of 'justice' against what this man did to you (of course, what they have done to us should be against the law, frankly) I ask...
will you be healed?
will you feel peace?
I think you know the answer.
That's my one good reason, to not bother.
Your desire to make him pay for what he's done, is a natural byproduct. But, take that pain, and work it through. For if you are still concerned with what he's doing with another woman...I submit to you, that what you seek, you will not find...doing it THIS way.
It's sometimes easier to shine the light on the narc, instead of ourselves. He's long gone. It's you now, that you need to shine the light on, and figure out what's really at heart here.
((hugs)) I know, this isn't easy.
Oh, and I do believe in a lil
July 13, 2012 - 11:55pm — Deidre99Oh, and I do believe in a lil thing known as karma. ;)
REASONS...thank you
July 13, 2012 - 7:40pm — fearlessfemaleJanie53...thank you for your thoughts and comments. I too have taken a serious look inside and dealt with past issues, (an emotionally unavailable mother, etc.). I feel that each of us has to look at ourselves if we are to truly heal from this mess. You've come a long way yourself and I am glad you are in a good place.
Portia...thank you for your advice and please know I never had nor will I ever have thoughts or intentions of doing anything illegal. I want to do SOMETHING to let people know that the behavior of narcissist is NOT OK. thats all.
Maui3375...yes, wouldn't it be great if someone with the name recognition and following such as Oprah would expose narcissist and let the world know these disordered people need to be held accountable. Also, more awareness about narcissism to teach people what to look for BEFORE they get hurt by these freaks.
Onwithmylife....I have already done plenty of "positive" things to bring awareness, to help those who are victims find comfort and understanding. I dedicated an artshow to this site, Lisa and the Path Forward and to my local Domestic Abuse Shelter...using my art to draw people in and handing out information in hopes someone would heal by leading them here. Lisa is an EXCELLENT educator about the effects of narcissism and how we should all heal, move forward. I want to focus on shutting these narcs down!
Obviously my focus, my desire to have these narcissist to be held accountable for their actions is just something that no one truly cares to tackle. So I am faced, once again with a big slice of "bullshit" pie. Just chew it fast, swallow it down, and move on. I don't mean to appear negative. I am just passing through another storm.
When I was a small child...i was molested by my neighbor.
My mother called the law, a deputy showed up, he told her not to pursue justice because he (the violator) was a grown man and I was a little girl...no one would believe me. My mother did nothing. This was the first time I was told "you are worthless, little girl"
After that, my grandfather molested me...boys walking in the halls at school would grab girls between their legs, including me...and my stepfather molested me. All of these people got away without so much as a bandaid...I HAVE BEEN SCARRED FOREVER. No one did anything, no one stood up for me. Therefore, I was "told" or shown by there actions..."you are worthless little girl" and all of these wrong doers got away with it.
I was a child...I couldn't defend myself.
These people WERE WRONG...all of them...no one will ever say anything to me to convince me otherwise.
NOW, I am a grown woman. I have been abused by someone and it is up to me to stand up and say this is WRONG!
I know my part in the relationship and why I allowed myself to be in this situation and not get out sooner.
I have been through all the work, forgiveness, etc. and truly know that I AM A WORTHY PERSON.
It doesn't make it right that these narcs get's to hurt people. And everyone keeps telling me...just let it go.
Enjoy your "bullshit" pie, be happy, and move on.
Thank you all for listening...sorry to be such a downer.
I will take in all you have said, process it, PRAY and PRAY some more...relax a little and just let the Lord guide me, use me how he sees fit.
hugs to you all
-fefe
Oprah
July 14, 2012 - 10:54am — abandonedandhurtI too would like to let the world know about these destroyer bastards. We advocate for other types of abuse to educate people so to minimize victims and maximize education and caution. Having my ex narc exposed may not heal MY pain or soul, but it may protect another victim from going through what we did. Would you not try to expose a rapist or any other perp who causes traumatic harm to many unsuspecting victims? I almost feel its our moral duty to do something. On a small scale I am telling everyone in our area who will listen what he did to me because he is a public official, a police chief, and he has hurt many with this narc pattern.
Fefe
July 14, 2012 - 6:02am — HelpMeHealYou are not a downer. I think you hit the nail on the head with this post (for me at least). I too am not going to hurt him or myself, but WTF!! What gives these guys (girls) the right to treat us like shit and walk away. Treat us like shit after we pleaded with them to stop. "please stop lying", "please understand where I'm coming from", "please love me like you used to". I know they say you can make a mistake one time and after that you are making a (bad) choice, but come on, how much blame do I (we) have to take? I feel like karma is getting ME for something I did, and he's riding off into the sunset!!!! It's so frustrating but feels good to talk/type it out and continue along.... Thank you.
Gosh, this touches me,
July 14, 2012 - 12:03am — Deidre99Gosh, this touches me, fearless!
I too had an emotionally abusive childhood. For years...decades...I have carried that little girl around with me everywhere. She has made my decisions for me. She has been the one who has not healed, and she has been the one inside of me, who has clung to people with NPD. For it's all 'she' knew.
But, in really shining the light on this finally in my life...since coming to this website...I don't want to carry her anymore. I'm a grown woman. And that little girl, needs a hug, something she didnt get much of growing up. I, like you, was ignored...and no one stood up for me.
But, I'm done letting that little girl dictate my life anymore. I can't stomach one more narc. I can't stomach one more painful relationship. I can't stomach one more wrong decision, because I'm letting a wronged 10 year old make my decisions for me.
It may sound crazy, but that's what has happened to us. We carry around our childhoods...and, man, it gets heavy after a while.
You were not stood up for as a kid. But, it's time to look that little girl in the eye, and say...it's time to heal over what happened. Not 'get over it,' but really heal.
And then, and only then, will that little girl give way to you. And you will not look at your ex N through the eyes of that wronged girl. And yes, we were wronged as adults, but it stings twice as hard, because we feel like we are that little girl, being wronged and ignored all over again.
I didn't have a long term relationship with the most recent ex from last year, but he's not the only narc I've dated.
But, he will be the last. ;)
Have to make it so! You can do this.
Fearlessfemale
July 13, 2012 - 9:01am — Janie53Fefe-
You post reveals a multitude of feelings I think many of us have experienced. You are so right, the damage we have incurred only because we "loved" someone is truly unfair. We are guilty of only doing something pure and genuine; love. But unfortunately, we live in an imperfect world; a world that has many injustices and tragedies. Poverty, cancer, natural disasters and crime to name a few. Life at times is certainly not fair.
I think each of us here need to decide for ourselves where we want our journey to take us. For me, I needed to forgive myself for compromising my own integrity and everything that was important to me. As I have mentioned before, once I discovered I was with a psychopath, no contact was both easy to initiate and follow. The difficulty that laid before me was much harder to conquer and that was myself. I needed justice for myself.
I truly believed I ruined my life and that happiness was something I would never feel again. I was burdened 24/7 with obsessive thoughts about both failing myself and how the world was polluted with poisonous people. I was scared and fell into a deep depression, some days not able to get out of bed. My world, as I knew it would never be the same. I went through the motions of life, but I was completely deaf to the music that was always playing in my home.
But something kept me going and after a lot of hard work I learned why I accepted the hand of a psychopath. It wasn't about him at all. It was all about me. I discovered things about myself and my past that actually freed me and brought me to the happiest place I have ever been. Once I made the shift to myself, I had the closure I needed to forgive myself.
I have learned a tremendous amount about myself and this cruel and insidious disorder. So in moving forward I feel the need to do all I can to help others, both on the forum and in my personal life. I want to educate and supports others about narcissism with hopes that they will learn, like I did, to be true to themselves. This for me is justice.
I hope this helps you understand me and my journey Fefe. You have come so far, you should be proud of yourself. I know you will find the answers you are looking for and the world will once again be a brighter place.
Stay true to you Fefe
Lots of love,
Janie
fearlessfemale
July 13, 2012 - 8:24am — onwithmylifeHow about volunteering at awomens shelter, be an advocate for battered women, you best life is to live WELL as Portia says, he is not worth one more minute of your thoughts, use your good energy to help other women get away form these disordered creatures.....leave your mark on the world in a good, productive way, that to me is the best revenge........
Gimme just one good reason ...
July 13, 2012 - 7:29am — PortiaHere is the only reason I can give you. You are sane, you are human, and he is not. You do not want to do something illegal, and unfortunately most of the crimes these guys commit are not technically illegal. For instance, if you give an intimate picture of yourself to the buffoon, and he shows it to twenty of his fellow N's, or posts it on the internet, what can you do? You willingly gave him the picture. If you gave him money, or a credit card, you are an adult, and you are supposed to know what you are doing. If you let him live with you and not work, that was your choice. It doesn't matter what he told you, that's hear say. If he cheated on you, he's a jerk, but again, not against the law. So, do you see? If you try to warn OW about him, they will think you are crazy. His family may already know something is wrong, but they DO NOT want to know what. We understand on this forum because we have been there, but other people who have not experienced it just think we are foolish women, maybe addicted to love, and we need to deal with our own addiction. Also, put it in context -- the man is seriously mentally disordered. If he was "listening to voices in his head" and telling you space invaders were coming, would you expect "someone" to punish this guy because you believed him and spent time and money preparing for the space invaders?
Seriously, I think we all want justice and vengeance, because we have been done a great personal wrong. We wanted love, and offered love, and instead we were robbed by a Time Bandit and all our good efforts were stolen away. We were not only unappreciated, we were discarded and devalued. The only thing we can do is pick ourselves up, dust ourselves off, put on a good face, and live our lives as well as possible. Just inagine a box inside your head, put him in it, and nail the box shut. He is dead to you, and you live on. Live well. Good luck!
reason enough to keep me moving forward!
July 13, 2012 - 3:54am — no more an echoDear fearlessfemale,
I loved your rant! It reminded me that our healing is NOT a linear process. God only knows why we seem to regress some days and other days we can take on the World. I have just learned to 'go with it' (and work through it) when it comes to this healing process.
I do agree with your son's wise words:
"Mama, God would not have let you go through all this pain for nothing." So true!
But you asked for one good reason why you should not seek revenge on Señor Psychopath and there are several.
First of all, God says that vengeance is His. I'm (in the process of) surrendering that to Him- not because I'm naturally agreeable but because God can 'smite' better than I could. In other words, I don't want God to go easy on Mr. NarcoPath because I intervened...Know what I mean?
For those reading this who may not believe in a Higher Power, I'd like to offer another reason to 'let go' of the desire for revenge:
STOP FEEDING THE BEAST.
We all know that attention of any kind is sustenance to the Narc. He would EAT IT UP if you were to try to administer 'justice'.
And wouldn't he, in his twisted, dark mind, simply LOVE it if you lived the rest of your life obsessing over him? Wondering what he is doing? Fretting over who he is hurting now? Doubting if maybe you misjudged him and thinking you gave up on him too soon? Wouldn't he be simply orgasmic if he knew you were making elaborate plans to hurt him back?
We all have our weak moments, but I am DONE feeding Narc-Boy's addiction.
And that is reason enough to keep me moving forward!
Good points
July 14, 2012 - 11:12am — abandonedandhurtGood points Echo. You are right. Attention of ANY kind feeds narc asshole's empty shell and ego. I want everyone in our area to know hes a big asshole, liar, and cheater because he is a police chief who has a lot of people fooled that he is this great guy, when in reality he us very sick, vindictive, and harmful. He would stop at nothing to save his image. He lied about me to his family n friends, as he did the 3 wives he left before me so that we look bad and he looks justified in leaving ALL of us, and no One seems to question this. Really? ALL the women he idolozed, married or got engaged to are ALL BAD? why doesnt ANYONE see through him?
NOT SEEKING REVENGE!
July 13, 2012 - 7:26am — fearlessfemale...not trying to be an avenger
...wanting to be an advocate
There is a difference.
of course he will get supply from this, he's going to get supply the rest of his pathetic life and I cringe at the thought of providing any. This is not my goal or purpose.
I'm looking at the bigger picture;thinking outside the box.
IT IS NOT OK TO HARM PEOPLE JUST BECAUSE YOU ARE DISORDERED
This is what I'm seeing
NORMAL PERSON
Eat, sleep, breathe, work, play, love
DISORDERED PERSON
Eat, sleep, breathe, work, play, love, free pass to abuse
The disordered person, narcissist, has the same rights as us but they get a bonus....they are allowed to harm and get away with it simply because they are disordered.
I do not believe in this. I want to stand up against ALL narcissist and do SOMETHING to let them know this is not ok. IT IS NOT OK!
-fefe
fearlessfemale
July 13, 2012 - 12:10am — maui3375I too have thought about how to get the word out about these sick people. It seems so unfair that these disordered people walk the earth and year after year they destroy one life after another. I wish I had been educated about Narcissism when I met him. The red flags would have been right in front of my face for sure and I would have been saved from all this mental abuse. But knowing what I do know (even if it was a hard lesson,) I will not fall victim to these mind games ever again!! So we just have to look at it as a lesson and try to educate as many people as we can. I wish that someone would do a documentary on the phycopaths that would help educate a lot of people in a short time. Maybe Oprah could do a show on the subject. Wouldn't that be great!! Bless you and stay strong!!
One Good Reason?
July 12, 2012 - 11:23pm — BobYou have a son that loves you very much. I have dreamed of revenge more often than I would like to admit. Some of my revenge dreams are very creative and I could probably get away with them.
However, I could never get away from the man in the mirror every day. The man who is trying to raise two wonderful children. The man trying to show them that although life sometimes really smacks us in the heart and head (at the same time), that truly loving and successful people move forward after they heal.
Good for you to cry it out. Getting an N out of our system is painful and slow going. Keep your energy focused on you. Most people here are still healing. There is no shame in that. The parasite you left doesn't deserve any more food from you, including revenge. Stay strong and NC!
Not revenge, Bob...
July 12, 2012 - 11:50pm — fearlessfemale...justice.
I appreciate very much your suggestion of one good reason.
You are right, my son is definitely one good reason NOT TO SEEK revenge. It is not revenge I am after.
I'm not saying he should "pay" for what he has done to me.
I'm saying that this is not ok. I'm saying just because he is "disordered" does not give him the right to have hurt the women before me, or to hurt me, or to continue to hurt the women after me.
I'm saying that narcissism and narcissist abuse is wrong and just they (the disordered narcissist) should not be allowed to cause harm to others without acknowledging or having to be held accountable for it.
And yes, I have a wonderful son who loves me and I love him dearly. He is supporting me in this entire ordeal and NO, I do not want him to be harmed in any way nor do I want to be the cause, or my actions, be the cause for any harm to him.
I am currently seeking guidance, a purpose, a reason WHY I had to go through this. It was my son actually who's first words inspired me to "do something" with all of this. After I told him I had been traumatized and abused by a narcissist he said, "Mama, God would not have let you go through all this pain for nothing."
I'm not wanting to expose XN just for my benefit. Perhaps as an example to all of those narcs out there that feel it's their right to harm and move on to the next victim.
IT IS SIMPLY JUST NOT RIGHT!
Your son is so right
July 13, 2012 - 7:31am — BobI read a quote a couple weeks ago that said..."Our enemies are sometimes our greatest teachers. Nothing ever goes away until it has taught us what we need to know."
You are an amazing person, your N is the opposite. Don't feed the animal in any way. Try keeping the focus on you, your loving son and friends.
As for exposure, even that doesn't protect the world from these creatures. Not to get political, but I would bet almost anything that John Edwards has new supply. He was exposed to the world as a Narc. Focus on protecting yourself and continuing to heal.
Brilliant quote Bob, I've
July 16, 2012 - 4:33pm — fernBrilliant quote Bob, I've heard that too and it is so true. And that it is our greatest gift going forward from the nightmare...not that I'll be thanking any of the Ps of course ;-)
Fearless - thought provoking
July 12, 2012 - 11:23pm — Jenna HFearless - your post is very thought-provoking, heartfelt and well written. I get what you are saying here. I am just beginning to heal from my narc and my brain is simply exhausted. I feel like I could have a degree in narcissism, too, with all I've read. I will be curious to see how Hunter responds to this, and others who have been on the path forward much longer than I have. I wish ALL NARCOPATHS, no matter how covert like mine, could be prosecuted in some way - so fire away Fearless!!
You said: "As I run, I purposely listen to songs that make me cry. I want this pain out of me, away, to exit my body and soul. Of course I alternate with a strong, kick-ass kind of song to regroup and pretend I’m tough, I tell myself “I got this now…this experience is NOT going to get me down.” I sincerely do want to be strong again, independent, full of self-esteem and knowing exactly who I am, what I’m all about, rebuilding my confidence level to a new high…hell, just any confidence at all would be appreciated at this point. Put all my boundaries back in place, cemented, bolted and board certified to be safe and secure. I am trying with all my might to “do something” to get better…move on….move forward."
I can so relate to this. I no longer listen to songs that remind me of him, but I did on purpose for a while - to force the pain out of me. And me too Fearless - I would also listen to kick-ass songs to make me feel tougher and I make myself snap out of it and tell myself - GET OVER IT GIRLFRIEND! YOU'RE STRONGER THAN THIS. YOU AREN'T GOING TO LET THIS FREAK BRING YOU DOWN! :)
Anyway, I'm sure you'll be getting lots of good responses to your post here. I will be following along....
I Co-Sign
July 12, 2012 - 11:19pm — survivaloftheheartTotally over it although in the midst of an awful bitter and nasty custody battle/divorce.....wheels already turning....by the Grace of GOD I'm at peace with it all but yet I have a strong desire to aid in what Lisa and all the miss are doing here....so u let me know when you want to get that locomotive running....I'm ready and willing. I have forgiven my N (selfconciously) because God granted me another day. However, I couldn't agree with you more.....
fefe
July 16, 2012 - 4:04pm — SnowflakeBack briefly after a break..but let me remind you what a rock you have been to lots of ladies on here inc myself.
You have given a lot of yourself..and it will take a while to recover after that length of 'being in it'.
But you will exit the other side after this life experience a stronger lady than you ever were. Dont let the temp shit in which is going to be a good long happy life for you get you down.
Chin up girl, big girl panties on and lets see you take on the world..what do you want to do/want to achieve..come on he was a twat..put him under the rock with the slugs where he belongs x
Hey Snowflake Girly!
July 16, 2012 - 4:14pm — fearlessfemaleGood to see you...It's been a while for me as well.
I was under the delusion I was completely healed after just a few short months. Guess not...I'm back seeking support once again from all of you wonderful women. (and men) :)
Love the "big girl panty" reminder!
Wearing them as we speak.
I would love for him to live under a rock...just maybe across country somewhere far away so I don't have to worry about ever seeing his scary face again.
Take care girl and I am getting stronger...we all are!
We don't have a choice, we are not going to let these narctards bring us down...no way...no how.
-fefe