What makes narcissistic parents leave?

What makes narcissistic parents leave?
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I have children with my ex, and often feel that he only takes them for visitation as revenge towards me - that it is about 'taking them away from me' more than being a parent for them. I do also think that he gets a narcissistic high from others who tell think it's great that he's a dad, and that may play a part too.

For those who have kids with an ex-narc, and have seen the narcissist leave the picture - what do you think was the catalyst? In my gut, and given how consistently narcissists, sociopaths and pyschopaths behave in other ways - it seems like there would be a common denominator in this way as well.

fyi - I do understand that limited contact works well and have been practicing that for 2 years. I have also done regular CBT therapy, as well as Theta healing - lots of deep introspective work to understand the beliefs in me which would have attracted this into my life.

Peace and strength to all :)

Mini's picture

Closing the door on thier own children

When I first got together mith my ex narc.he told me he had a son by his first girlfiriend. He said how saddened he was that the childs mother would not allow him any contact and now they had moved he had no idea how to contact him.
I offered to help him look. UK is not such a big place and I reckoned we could find him in no time at all. He hadn't seen the boy in ten years and I really wanted to help this man whom I loved so much.
About a month later his Mother phoned to tell my ex that this boy( his son) had turned up on her doorstep and introduced himself as her grandson.Apparently he lived about 1/2 a mile from her house! Well my ex was overcome with joy ( or so it seemed at the time)
He duly went to visit and this boy regualy phone our house for a chat. However this soon began to peter out( probably due to my ex not contacting him)
It was about this time that my ex narcs. Mom phoned and told me to be carefull! Her son never stuck around for long and said he was " complicated".
In due course our relationship ended and I'd say I suffered bably for about 18 months.
Fast forward, he got back with his ex wife who'm he'd never divorced. They were separated about 4 years when I met him.
She came over to visit UK and thei.r relationship rekindled and they had a child together.Well it doesn't take an expert to guess that acouple of years later he walked out of thier lives and has never had contact since.
What's troubling me now , is that my friend/neighbour is persuing the most narcissistic man I've ever met. He too doesn't see his childre( his wife is in the secret service, if you can beleive that!)She wont listen to my advice re. jumping into a relationship with a man who is too good to be true. I've been shown his facebook page and it shows a complete idiot , posing with models, fast cars, minor celebrities. He talks bout himself in the third person. I'm afraid that she's going to end up like the wreck I once was.

alarmbelle's picture

How much more proof do I need

I can't stop obsessing about OW's children that are not his & their new baby. Something tells me he treats them better than he did me & our 2 daughters. The day I brought our 2nd daughter newborn from hospital he turned to our 18 mth old daighter and said 'you need to stop acting like an idiot now there's a baby in the house'. I was absolutely mortified. I cried so much in private whilst in the shower or bath so no one could see. I let him walk all over me just not to unsettle our babies. Very out of character for me, that's why I became so ill, needed antidepressants & CBT. If anyone would have told me I would end up in a situation like that I would have laughed in their face. he made it obvious he resented the girls. Frightening them with Slipknot videos, X files theme music and would you believe ornaments. My problem is how is he being with his new family? Surely me leaving & exposing him has made him a better person. Oh! I really am struggling with this 1. I was ok until I saw OW a few days ago. Any advice please xxxx

jelyma's picture

I have one daughter with my

I have one daughter with my ex. She is 8 yrs old now. She was becoming used to seeing her dad drunk and passed out on the sofa day after day. She was always being promised things and he never showed up. He would phone me every day at work they were together alone to "speak to your daughter because she is being unreasonable". She was beginning to have pent up anger and it came out in her play and how she was speaking to people. The week before we left was the worst for her. He did not pick her up from school and she waited with another kid's dad for almost an hour and a half. She called his work and he didn't show up that day and then she called my parents who live 2 blocks from the school. She was so upset and angry. He didn't come home until 10pm and blamed her for the whole thing. Two days later was the VERY LAST straw for her and for me. He had signed up to be a chaperone for the big end of school trip (only because it was a status thing with other dads). He did not come home that night (not uncommon!) and showed up as we were walking out the door. She started screaming at him and said "if you sign up you had better be responsible and show up!" This was my 8 yr old telling her father to be responsible!!! He blamed me of course but she just yelled at him. I knew then that I had to get her out. I owed it to her then and to her future. We left three days later. That was a month ago and he has seen her twice. Both times she asked to come home early. I can only pray that it continues to be even less. We are very open about why we left and I encourage her to be honest about her feelings. She is so much more relaxed now and is doing excellent.

sweetpeasarah's picture

Hmmm..

Selfishness, plain and simple. I didnt have children with ex toad, but I knew him years ago when he was with his childrens mother. She had a dogs life with him (HUGE red flag I shouldnt have ignored), he later told me that, he left the family because he wanted to 'party' and the responsibility was too much!! then slated her, because she wouldnt let him see his kids!?! Now his kids are adults, his daughter hasnt and wont have anything to do with him, nor him her, and his son has turned into a mini toad already, so sad for the kids, what a god awful role model.
I've never condoned children not having a relationship with their dads but, with Narc's? i think they are better off without.
Xx

Pearl430's picture

yuck

I wish mine would move far far away. dealing with his daily antics with our children tires me. He basically sat on couch drinking beer unless he was coaching their soccer teams which could be brutal for everyone. now he is Disney Dad. All of a sudden interested in their lifes. Where was he all those years? Uninvolved. Now he is father of the year. I am hoping he does leave but I know he enjoys driving a wedge between me and our kids too much to leave

Walkingonsunshine's picture

If he is a somatic n then

If he is a somatic n then they leave when children are taking up their time and causing them to miss out on their sexual endeauvers. They become spiteful when their children are taking up their resources( time and money) which they would rather spend getting laid. For a cerebral narcissist it's a bit harder, they leave only when they feel they have successfully turned the kids against you because then they feel the kids emotional dependable on them and they discard. The n is annoyed by financial and emotional dependency of the kids and kids in the way of their selfish conquests.

missymiller's picture

God I (we) should be so lucky

God I (we) should be so lucky for him to find supply FAR FAR FAR away. I would dance everyday for years...

But, given that he is essentially so lazy that he "found" new OW and her own 2 daughters within days/weeks of leaving me and HIS OWN daughter...I don't see it happeneing any time soon.

HE completely uses her daughters, as well as his own, to build his image as a GREAT GUY AND FAMILY MAN.

Irony how he would not expand OUR own family when I really wanted more kids...fought it every possible way. And, he has been an ok dad in the sense of not outwardly abandoning her. YET...he NEVER PARENTS her, she is as good as a sibling to him (in many ways she is more mature than him at age 12)...He never worries about her, plans for her, makes any real effort to guide her morally, ethically, spiritually - NADA...cuz he can't.

Last week, even she said, "dad buys what he wants for himself, and anything I want, he puts off". True. She gets it.

Portia's picture

Image - Image-Image

The N uses his children, or your children while he is with you, as evidence of what a wonderful guy he is to OTHER PEOPLE. His image is all that is important to him.

He will dump them at a moment's notice to get a chance to be with a new source.

If you are lucky enough for him to find a new source that lives far away from you - he will go there, and leave you and the children alone most of the time.

When he tires of the new source, he will use your children as an excuse to come back into your area to visit the alternative sources he had developed there when he was with you. At this time he will also hoover you, and will try to act like "lets get along for the sake of the children." You wll seem like such a bad person if you do not want to play this game with him. His image will be just wonderful, for all to see, he'll tell his alternative sources he wants to see his children (and them, of course) more, but you are such a bitch you won't let him. Poor Thing!!!
You see how this works? It is a marvel to behold, but my advise is don't eat before the performance starts, you may get sick and have to lose your meal!

Bruisednotbroken's picture

You are absolutely right! My

You are absolutely right!

My ex has been out of my son's life since November 2010. Once I told him there would be no chance of us getting back together, he lost all interest in our son. He has supervised visitations and has only asked to see him twice since November 2010. Only last Father's Day and again this past halloween, although he had just moved halfway across the country (thank the heavens) with his girlfriend two months earlier. He never followed through with either attempt, just asked for pictures (he needs to show my son off to new girl's family to get them to believe he is an involved father even though he has contributed nothing to his son for over 2 years). Also, he got girlfriend to e-mail me to make all sorts of excuses for him (saying he moved to get a better job and because her dad is very ill), telling me that they are engaged (like I really give a you-know-what), letting me know that she WILL be there when he sees his son again, and saying that he is doing everything in his power to be a good father (who does she think she is fooling?). Now the girlfriend is pregnant with his child, due this November or December. I'm sure he'll be in town sometime shortly after to show this baby off to his family, and have them marvel how much of a "great daddy" he is. That is when I'm expecting harrassment from him and his family. I'm hoping she is able to deal with him a lot longer than I was because I know if they don't last, he'll come running back to his family and they'll all be harrassing me on a daily basis until he finds a new supply. I'm enjoying the peace and quiet now.

NoNarcingZone's picture

See ya...wouldn't wanna be ya!

Ntessa, you've tapped on something that has been annoying me as of late. The adoration the SocioNarc would receive (mainly from his family) "IF" I were to allow my daughter visitations w/him. I just CAN NOT...no WILL NOT do it! He could give 2 sh*ts about our daughter. Like I once was, she's a mear 'accessory' for him. I vividly recall his behavior towards her (@ 3 m/o). Slightest whimper from her & he'd nearly toss her back to me - claiming "Here! She doesn't want ME!" Perhaps baby could sense that something was 'off' about her dad & this intimidated him?

Therapy has clarified much in my life. I understand how my relationship w/my mom (I've been NC 1.5 yrs. Has Narc traits) - has a HUGE bearing on the 2 'predators' I allowed in my life (both of whom I had a child with). The predators & I all abandonment issues. They both abandoned their children & this Mama Bear protects the young cubs. My oldest is 22 y/o. I didn't make it easy for his dad back in the day. I won't make it easy for my 3 y/o's dad either. The irony...my son's dad (Ex#1 - not a Narc, but a lil 'spazzy') treats my 3 y/o as if she's HIS daughter. He's an ogre w/EVERYBODY in the world except my daughter. They adore each other. She calls him "uncle". Her dad would die. (Hmmmm perhaps I'll anonymously send him recorded footage of their moments) Ha ha ha! Just a thought! -NNZ (sorry for rambling! Geesh!)

Froglegs's picture

Although I do not have

Although I do not have children with XN (whom is childless), I do have a daughter from the previous marriage. XN and I lived together for 5 years and my daughter looked up to him like a father. He treated her so well in the beginning like she was his own. She trusted and loved him to pieces.

When he started to mistreat me, her attitude towards him changed. As the abuse worsened over the years, my daughter withdrew from him. Near the end, she had completely withdrawn. He hated that and mentioned it many times to me, but there was no convincing him that it was his erratic behavior causing her to withdraw. She and I would discuss it, but she'd not dare talk to him about it out of fear he'd take it out on me.

He most definitely got a high from her adoration. Not only was it coming from her, but others, including myself, would give him praise on how well they got along. When that started to wane it messed with his ego big time.

Now he lives with some other woman who has 4 children. He's playing "super dad" taking them to all of their after school functions and what not. He's getting tons of praise, I'm sure, and is eating it up. If he got so bent out of shape over my one daughter losing respect for him, I can't imagine how he's going to react when these 4 children eventually do the same.

eta: Forgot to mention XN gave my daughter a job at his restaurant. Out of guilt? Yeah right. He was hoovering me and wanted to prove to others he's not such a bad guy. *eyeroll* He used to try to chat her up and slip in questions about what I'm up to, but now that he has a GF he doesn't talk to her at all.

ntessa's picture

thanks!

My children are fearful of saying how they feel to their dad, and when they have tried it - I've literally watched him look at them blankly almost as though he simply couldn't comprehend or absorb the words (they told him they didn't want to go with him).