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STDs and NC/break up
In light of my situation, I thought it might be best to post about STDs and if there is any reason along with your safety, happiness and well being, NC or breaking up with our partner may also prevent you from catching an STD from your ex, which can potentially affect your life long term.
I am in my 30s. I have never been one to sleep around and prefer to wait until I meet someone that I really like before becoming really involved.
Due to the lies and deception of my ex, I now have 2 STDs despite using condoms as they are passed by skin to skin. He also appeared at first to be fairly respectable and not the ‘type’ to get these.
I caught the first STD within a month of sleeping with him. He had cold sores and although there were none showing at the time, I still managed to get herpes type 1 from him. For this, he accused me of being a prostitute in my past. I know you don’t know me, but I am a well brought up girl with a good education who has always worked hard in a decent profession, been professional, had integrity, I dress conservatively and smartly for my work… of course, it was mere projection on his part… he was the scumbag but I didn’t know much about projection at that point, nor about his hidden life/past.
I told him immediately and advised that he get to a clinic asap. I have the complete text exchange from when he was in the clinic (actually the whole relationship) where he said there was nothing wrong with him and he had no treatment.
I was completely devastated by this news and it was another reason to think that perhaps I should consider him more as a long term partner as what decent man would want me now.
Six weeks later, I had noticed two ‘spots’ on his upper thigh which I thought were just spots or a heat rash but asked anyway. He said ‘oh, they didn’t know what they were at the clinic so they just burnt them off – they could be milk spots’. There was so much going on at the time and despite being very angry that he had lied and not told me he had had treatment that day, I let it go and believed him.
After breaking up with him, there wasn’t something quite right, I went to the doctors and then to the clinic. He had given me a second STD. I contacted him, he denied it but tried to get back with me which clearly was a no from me.
After 10 weeks of having to have weekly very painful and humiliating treatment, we spoke. For twenty minutes he went back and forth denying and admitting it and then blaming it on me for having a weak immune system. Due to his sexting and photos he sent, I actually have photos showing the ’spots’, which he, I later realised, must have had treatment for over 8 weeks, and in all this time he lied to me about it, sickening.
On top of all the abuse I had from this man, I now had this legacy. I had been recovering from him okay until that point. I raged, felt extremely depressed, humiliated, felt dirty. I don’t have children yet but I had really hoped to find a good, decent man and bring up a family. Now, what good man will want me?
Many narcs and psychopaths are sex addicts. Cheating is the norm for them. Catching an STD from them, even if taking precautions like condoms and/or you can see no obvious signs, is like playing Russian roulette.
For people out there who are in my position, I really feel for you. To the rest, please consider this and look after your well being. I never, ever thought I would catch an STD and now I have to live with this for the rest of my life. I may never have my good husband and family that I dreamed of.
Sorry for the long post. I don’t mean to patronise or upset anyone but only to help people avoid my situation if possible… it can happen to anyone and does happen.
Hugs
Yes it is a very common virus
July 1, 2012 - 9:54pm — BtrflyGrlAnd I'm very sorry he left you with that.
My quetion is...how do you tell somebody new about it? I know that if somebody told me they had Herpes at the beginning of a relationship I would probably run and I assume they would too.
Also, if most people don't even know they have it how do you stop it if condoms don't work? Ugh. I'll be at the monastary....
Thanks BtrflyGrl for your
July 2, 2012 - 7:21am — fernThanks BtrflyGrl for your candor and it was exactly that point I was trying to make.
When wondering whether to leave your cheating partner or breaking NC with a cheating partner, you are potentially putting yourself at risk of getting any STD even if being responsible and using condoms (clearly condoms help enormously with all the big STDs and should still be used to help prevent Herpes and HPV).
With your comment and no offense meant, it goes to show a little of the aftermath you have to deal with as a consequence and therefore to take it into serious consideration.
My post was aiming to raise awareness and help to prevent any unnecessary problems for others in the future.
Hugs
Fern
July 2, 2012 - 3:21pm — BtrflyGrlI know my post was kind of harsh. I am sorry. I am angry and exhausted. I can't find any physical help around here and my positive energy evaporated about a week ago. Now I just want to kick everything in my path. I can barely speak outloud with falling into tears. I didn't mean to vent on you guys, my only support.
I understand I am not alone and I have a lot of good things going for me. That's why I feel like a crazy lady. Just move on Bgirl, I tell myself. You know he's not right in his head. Don't break, don't break. I'm breaking...and I have to go back to work tomorrow and it's freaking me out.
Apologies to all.
Please, it's not a problem, I
July 2, 2012 - 3:41pm — fernPlease, it's not a problem, I didn't mean to sound like I was having a go at all.I think I may have thought the same thing before I got Herpes and HPV. It's about bringing awareness for everyone.
Now, and with some great advice from others on the site, I think it may be in how I and others like me handle it, have confidence but also in the manner that we tell a future partner.
I understand where you're at and it's tough,please don't beat yourself up, I've been there too and sure I'm not the only one.
Going back to work, although it can be scary and you're not sure how you might cope... will probably be really good for you, a distraction, it may be that you can really throw yourself into it and balance that with your recovery work. Maybe also get a bit of exercise, or at the very least, my favorite, punch the shit out of a cushion, works wonders.
Sorry, I'm assuming you don't have to work with your ex?
You are not crazy, someone has been seriously messing with your head and it takes time, reading, rediscovering you again (which can also be nice and fun).
Hang in there, give it time, be kind to yourself, you will get there. You can do this. Will be thinking of you tomorrow and hope it all goes well
Big hugs
x
"My quetion is...how do you
July 1, 2012 - 10:27pm — Lookonthesunnyside"My quetion is...how do you tell somebody new about it? I know that if somebody told me they had Herpes at the beginning of a relationship I would probably run and I assume they would too."
Many, many people with herpes are in happy relationships/marriages. I personally know people who date with the virus. I think if someone cares for you they will do their research and learn that it really is not the end of the world. As tough as it may be for some to get past the stigma, herpes really is just a harmless inconvenience for the most part.
I think/have heard that those who are able to present it as not being the end of the world are likely to have a better response from partners. Everyone who is sexually active is taking this risk, and those who are aware of their status are actually the least likely to spread the virus.
:)
I was very fearful
July 2, 2012 - 10:37am — gottagetoveritabout having to tell guys about my herpes/HPV when I started dating again after divorce 6 years ago. Well, to my surprise and relief NOT ONE man was scared off! It just made them more willing to wear condoms which is good for both parties. I actually did give herpes to one guy (presumably, who really knows?) and he wanted to keep seeing me. These viruses are annoying as hell but not really the end of the world and certainly no reflection on who you are as a person. Just another speed bump in the road of life!
that is good news, thanks for
July 2, 2012 - 3:12pm — fernthat is good news, thanks for saying that, there's hope... and at the end of the day, at least I'm not with the evil P!
I'll take the speed bump any day!
After a year of getting used to it, I know that at the end of the day it's just a case of a cold sore and a wart that anyone could have on any part of the body....but due to the location... it is the stigma, and the label as an STD.
I'm very lucky it wasn't worse than that
Take care of you
xx
Spot on!!! Totally agree with
July 2, 2012 - 7:09am — fernSpot on!!! Totally agree with all your comments Lookonthesunnyside.
Thank you and take care
Hugs
Dearest Fern
July 1, 2012 - 8:31pm — gottagetoveritYou are not dirty and you are not alone. I contracted herpes and HPV from exN many years ago and I know you feel afraid and unlovable. Those feelings led me to marry a man I didn't love (and coincidentally was another narc!). Stayed married to him for 22 miserable years because I was afraid of having to get back into the dating game and having to "confess my sins" so to speak.
Well, I'd like to finish this tale up with a happy ending but that hasn't quite happened yet. I continue to put myself in the company of narcs. The latest one the worst yet and I'm still struggling to get over him. Believe it or not, being infected with the narc bug is similar to being infected with an STD (or 2).
You're going to have to be especially kind and loving to yourself now. Our self esteem takes a big hit with narcs and you don't need the added guilt/shame of these common viruses to take you down further and make you even more vulnerable to narc exploitation.
Eventually HPV usually clears up and Valtrex does a great job keeping the herpes dormant. And of course use condoms. They don't prevent everything but think how bad you would feel getting HIV.
Anyway, you are still beautiful and desirable and there really are men out there who would not be freaked out by your problem. The bigger challenge is staying away from narcs! Be strong!
Thanks gottagetoverit for
July 1, 2012 - 8:49pm — fernThanks gottagetoverit for your kind words, and also for sharing, it's not easy and I can totally understand where you were at.. it makes us a bit more vulnerable again, as any man who might accept us like that we may be grateful for. It is what you say, a case of buildig ourselves up again after this still believing we deserve a lot better.
I had meant to also say, that of course there's a whole list of other serious STDs - syphillus, gonorrhea, HIV etc out there and yes, thank God I didn't get those but clearly be aware!
My point was that if you are unlucky, even using condoms and being responsible you can still catch a couple of STDs.
Thanks for the tip on Valtrex, at the moment I'm using Dymoclear tablets if I'm under the weather for prevention which has been brilliat.. also good for those who have cold sores!
I've been involved with 3 Ps, all a little different. It wasn't immediately obvious with the first two until I was suckered in.
My barriers are so high up at the moment and I too have great difficulty in trusting again. If it means I miss out on having a family,in order to wait and find a good man, then I guess that's meant. In the meantime, I'm working on myself. I absolutely dread having to tell someone, but it's the only honest thing to do.
The narc or P bug is a very rotten bug but the good news is that it is curable! It can be a tough path to walk, lots of love and kindness for oneself, lots of reading, TIME and re-establishing or building the boundaries that we need to protect ourselves and give us confidence to go forth.
Thanks so much again for your support. Hang in there, you will get free of these narcs, sending you a big hug
x
Oh, and these STDs
July 1, 2012 - 8:42pm — gottagetoveritdo not prevent happy marriages and beautiful children. I would laugh at the absurdity of that thought except that I had the same fears years ago. I have 2 lovely children and still hold out hope for a happy marriage someday.
thanks Hon, that's really
July 1, 2012 - 8:51pm — fernthanks Hon, that's really good to know and I'll hold onto that. Onwards and upwards
x
Hey fern, help me out cause
July 1, 2012 - 8:00pm — WalkingonsunshineHey fern, help me out cause I'm confused. Herpes 1 is the cold sore virus you get on your lip right? Can you get herpes 1 down below and is that what he gave you? Also, just curious what std gives spots
If u got an. 8 week treatment, is that with antibiotics? If so then at least it was curable no? I hope whatever he gave u doesn't affect you health permanently. What an awful thing to have happen
gritty details...DON'T READ
July 1, 2012 - 8:20pm — ferngritty details...DON'T READ IF SQUIMISH
Yes, you can get herpes type 1 down there... my ex, all of a sudden seemed to know so much about it (ass)... he said I would only get it back on my mouth... touch wood and with the help of a lot of immune support tablets I'm 18 months clear and no re-occurence. The first bout is very painful, you won't miss it.
You can also get herpes type 2 (genital) around your mouth I believe, although a lot less likely, worth a check.
As it was type 1 down there, I thought it may have been easier to explain to someone else and more accidental as I thought it had been... until I got the second STD.
The second STD was genital warts... lovely... I do sometimes manage to pluck up some humor and say a new man will have to accept me warts and all... a case of laughing, crying and then laughing again...well hey...
With the lovely genital warts, they can range from being skin tags to other bigger warts, mine luckily weren't the later... but with all the crap I went through and the depression of getting a second STD my immune system crashed and I got a bad bout.
They treat it cryogenically, liquid nitrogen basically... at -321F (-196c), it's really cold and burns off the cells. Around those sensitive parts, it can be extremely painful, more so each week... frankly, and I'm no wimp, agonising after two months.
Did I hate him then... you betcha I did. I actually cried after 10 weeks treatment and asked them to stop which was just as well as the skin tissue was so damaged by the treatment I had to move onto the ointment for 3 weeks which finally finished it.
Neither are curable, you have them for life. You can pass them on even with no symptoms, although slightly less likely. With Genital Warts, they do say that there may be a chance that the virus may disappear after two years... I'm keeping everything crossed! Trying to eat healthier (I always did but much more superfoods), excercise...next is giving up cigarettes.. that's a tough one.
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July 2, 2012 - 5:37pm — WalkingonsunshineHi fern, thanks for the explanations. I wanted to clarify the part about herpes1 ( usually on the lips cold sore) because it also happened to a friend of mine. I though it was just a bizarre fluke so it was shocking that it happened to you as well. For whatever reason, maybe hormones or skin cell type, I believe her issue never recurred. I think it's harder for hsv1 to replicate down there because the nerves for latency are in the face? so you may never see this issue happen again cause I know she didn't. be well
that's very interesting to
July 2, 2012 - 5:48pm — fernthat's very interesting to hear... at the clinic they were non-committal about it coming back down there or around my mouth but it has been 18 months, and I've nothing, touch wood.
Plus, like I think I may have said my ex all of sudden became very knowledgable about it, probably from infecting others, and said it wouldn't come back and only on my mouth. Shame he wasn't so honest about the second STD but then he knew it would have been game over.
I'm tending to think my body had a complete allergic reaction to him!!lol
Thanks very much for this info walkingonsunshine,it's very helpful and hopeful. I'll see if I can find anything else out like that.
Hugs
Fern
July 2, 2012 - 4:49am — UsedI am so sorry to hear this, but it doesnt make you any less the respectable person you always were..
One day you will meet a person worthy of you and you will be able to tell him and he will still love you...
THE DAMAGE THESE SCUMBAGS DO!!!!!!!!!!!!
thank you Used, I really
July 2, 2012 - 7:04am — fernthank you Used, I really appreciate the support... It certainly is one way, where you have to build your self confidence and self esteem... for your self and in preparation for how others may react. It can be a bit of a battle.
The STDs shouldn't and don't define who I am but it was really something I could have done without.
Thanks again, and here's to staying SCUMBAG FREE!!
Hugs
I want to encourage you..
July 1, 2012 - 7:16pm — midwestdivaFern is it ok if I private message you Hun?
Yes, of course, no worries x
July 1, 2012 - 7:19pm — fernYes, of course, no worries
x
STDs
July 1, 2012 - 7:14pm — MissScoutI'm 54, 3 years removed from a 30-year-marriage, N is 59, single. He has another long-time girlfriend, but I was unaware of her for the first 2 months of our relationship. He is actually my high school love I reconnected with. I would never have expected such deceit. After a year of pure hell, we are NC. We didn't use protection, because I bought his pack of lies. I'm going to the gynecologist to be checked out. I don't think I'll ever trust another man again.
MissScout
Hi MissScout, I have followed
July 1, 2012 - 7:26pm — fernHi MissScout, I have followed your posts and my thoughts are with you and hope you are finding your way to healing.
I don't want to scare monger but it's always a good idea to get checked out regularly. Your health, happiness and well being are paramount.
The STDs I got were passed skin to skin... but after we'd both been to the clinic, got the all clear from anything else (well, at least I did), I trusted him and we didn't use condoms. Never, ever again for me not until I really am very sure.
Also with these two STDs, about 80% of the population have the viruses apparently, but only 30% show the symptoms. Sometimes these symptoms don't show for years after. Also the symptoms can be mild, especially on men and not showing when they do have them or passed on through shedding.
I guess I was 'lucky' they came up pretty quick so as not to pass them on.
Good luck and take care
Hugs
Thank you for
July 1, 2012 - 7:10pm — HunterThank you for sharing..
Hunter
Even though it's common to be
July 2, 2012 - 5:48pm — WalkingonsunshineEven though it's common to be hsv1 or hpv carrier at our age and generation, I want to thank you for this post because it make me re-think my one night stand possibility. Liberating yes, risky yes, too risky I think. type 2 herpes or hiv are not curable and affect your immune system and well being, it's just not worth it. I will buy a " friend" ... I keep saying that but never do, I think I'm shy and embarrassed to do it lol. anyway thanks for ur post. My gut is telling me you will be ok. You caught it early, did what u had to do, got treatment and are working on ur immunity. be strong!
Thanks hon and glad if it has
July 2, 2012 - 6:01pm — fernThanks hon and glad if it has helped, thank you to everyone for all the support, and I hope all of what is written here can help people in the future.
I was never too much into the idea of one night stands, I did it once a long time ago, and it felt so empty. Portia's post today about Strong is Sexy I think was brilliant.
As I said, I've never really slept around, I'm just not that kind of girl, each to their own and for that reason I never thought I could be infected. I've shared with my friends and they've taken it on board.
Even if the Herpes Type 1 never comes back, I have had a second bout of HPV this year. Where I live you can only go to a STD clinic for treatment, which means a 3-4 hour wait each time on a weekly basis. They are pretty grim places. I lost so much money last year due to this and it didn't look good at work (clearly didn't tell them what the treatment was for).
It really isn't worth it. Frankly, when I do meet someone who hopefully of course is a normal good guy we'll be using condoms for a long time and when the time is right, both go to the same Clinic for a screen and both hear the results. Yep, I'm paranoid and not trusting but I'd hope a good, loving man would understand after what I've gone through.
You take care of you hon, and thanks again
Hugs
I was just reading.....
July 2, 2012 - 7:48pm — fallingfowardthis post, it has great advice.
I started to remember before I dated the narc, I dated a wonderful man for about 8 months. We were both not looking for anything like marriage at that time. I remember that when we decided to sleep together that, he went in the bedroom and came out with some papers. It was current papers where he had been tested for any STD or HIV. He wanted to me feel safe with him. He took very good care of himself in so many other ways, that I don't feel it was strange. I also had a girlfriend tell me, that she had read in Men's Health, that men should get tested and have the papers avabaily for their partners to see.
I remember one time hearing Tyra Banks stating that before she slept with a man, he had to have been tested.
I think before the narc experience, I would have felt that the man would feel like I didn't trust him or that he would reject me. But now I understand that if he doesn't care enough to make me feel safe with him sexually, he really doesn't care about me. I know now that trust is not just given, but earned in a relationship. That might weed out some men, but I only want someone who cares enough to show me. (actions not words). This is also a way of loving myself and respecting my life.
I am worthy of being treated this way and so are all of you.
hugs
ff
FF
July 2, 2012 - 8:02pm — BtrflyGrlJust make sure the papers are totally current. These things can hide for months before they appear in tests.
Thanks Btryfly Girl..
July 2, 2012 - 9:38pm — fallingfowardThey were with the guy that I had dated before the narc. But a good thing to keep in mind for any others.
hugs
ff