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I've been married now for almost 7 years. My husband and I had a whirlwind of courtship and were married within three months of knowing each other. He was unlike anyone I had ever known: confident, full of passion and dreams, and had a drive to know me on my most intimate levels as a person. No one had ever dared to go into the depths of my heart to see who I really am. I was swept off my feet.
Before we were married, we agreed on "traditional" roles as husband and wife. I remember that he was very particular about how he wanted the house to be kept and for myself, I was somewhat laid back on housekeeping. My husband encouraged me on how to do things "better," and I strove to do things as he asked. Encouragement became coaching, and then coaching became "fathering," and fathering I believe turned to emotional abuse. Criticism became rampant in our home, and the feeling of peace seemed to elude us. There were even times that my husband has eluded questions I've asked about our finances. He got so angry with me one time that as I was trying to leave, he blocked me and cornered me in the apartment and said, "Don't you dare walk out on me!"
Unfortunately, I did not realize that I was being emotionally abused until just a few weeks ago. Amdist medication, personal studies to alleviate anxiety and depression, support from prayer and Bible study, I continued to have panic attacks and a sickening feeling in my stomach. People that I have known for years have said that I've changed, but can't pinpoint what has changed me...now I am learning. As I began to search online, I was led to sites that talked about abuse and other personality disorders. I have found so many people with stories similar to mine that now I am feeling discouraged.
My husband and I have seen counselors individually and as a couple off and on now for 4 years. Recently, I allowed my counselor to read a portion of my journal, and after asking several questions he believes I may be codependent and my husband narcissisistic. I have had other mentors and personal friends/family members that I trust and hold in high regards tell me that I need to separate.
We have two children under the age of 4. I currently do not work outside of the home, and I am concerned about our financial condition. If my husband truly has NPD, I would like to be prepared for all possible scenarios. I have been trusting in God and seeking Him in this. I need guidance. I hope that there is someone out there who may be able to listen, pray, and maybe share a personal experience or story that can encourage and help me. I know that not everyone's scenarios are the same, but it seems like there are many characteristics that are similar!
I have been known in my life as being the encourager and supporter of so many. I am reaching out for some now, in faith, and hoping that the Lord will use you, the reader, to help, and be His instrument to minister to me. Please pray for me and my husband, and our children.
My emotions have gone from wanting to please, to hope, to not caring, to depression, to anger, to anxiety, and so many other ranges. I've felt like I've been on a hamster wheel, as our arguments and "conversations" have been rehashed topics over and over and over and over again. Even last night he spoke to me in respectful tones and talked about how maybe if I take a course in communication that our talks will improve. I have grown tired and weary. I see our children have suffered and been adversely affected.
I have read Boundaries in Marriage and it is a wonderful book. I hope to apply some of the principles in the book to our marriage before I make any moves. I really don't want to seek divorce! I am, however, contemplating a legal separation.
My husband has avoided me and the children for much of our days together. He says it's because I have "distanced" him from them, by living in my own bubble with just me and them. He told me that he doesn't want to be jealous of his own children, but that he feels if things continue as they are he may be one day. His support of the children are usually to play with them for about 5 minutes in the morning, and 30 minutes at night. I am the primary caregiver (cleaning, feeding, educating, disciplining, etc.) for them.
I have encouraged my husband to talk to Christian men whom he's been building relationships with, but he has told me that he doesn't want to talk to them because he doesn't want to "put me in a bad light." He is unaware that I found e-mails on his computer where he has discussed how I've been feeling with a lady he goes to school with. My counselor knows the lady's family well, and he doesn't believe there is an affair there. The point is, though, to me, that he should not be discussing so deep a level of our relationship with a female, regardless of if she is or is not emotionally involved and a friend with him. Because he may have NPD, I am really not comfortable confronting him about this, because I feel that I may be accused or blamed or subject to rage.
He has occupied himself with work and home projects. He tells me that he's doing it for us to have a comfortable and peaceful space, but I feel like it's an avoidance tactic. When I want to talk to him now, it's almost like I'm a secretary tracking down a CEO of a major corporation to get "an appointment" with him. I know this is NOT how God intended marriage to be!
But as for me, afflicted and in pain—
may your salvation, God, protect me.
Psalm 69:29 (NIV)
P.S. THANK you for reading this long post!!!!
Yikes!
June 24, 2012 - 6:22pm — agnesmurphy17This guy is raping your mind! This one is perverse and manipulative.
This is your life! Either you stay with him & everything will remain on the same trajectory & only get worse. Or, you decide the marriage is over & set yourself free.
You are entitled to child support. As the mother of two children under the age of four, you get to live in the house with the children. As his wife, you have many rights under the law. You need to find a divorce lawyer & find out your rights.
This guy is really going to do a number on you. Spending all this time repairing a house & not spending time with you & the children. He's doing this for you & you need to feel indebted to him. Such a manipulator. When all you really want is for him to bath the children, dress them, read a bedtime story -- so you could have 90 minutes to do other stuff.
This guy is a huge manipulator. Made you dependent. Telling you how to run the house. Don't you see? He makes the money. Then tells you how to run the house. He's in charge of everything. Mine was the same way. Also always "working on the house for us." And if you try to get a divorce, he's gonna really turn ugly this one. BTW -- mine got the house in the divorce.
Thanks for your comment. I
June 24, 2012 - 9:16pm — whereamiThanks for your comment. I have heard "he's really controlling you" from another trusted friend. I'm really glad for this site where I can hear from other people who've "been there, done that." I have been spending a lot of time in prayer and also seeking counsel from others about this situation. I became aware of some other things this past weekend that have deepened my hurt and it looks like separation is the next step.
My goal this week is to get a separate checking account, obtain my own credit card accounts, and also seek legal advice.
Do you have any other pointers or words of wisdom before I start these proceedings? Thanks again.
he's laying all the blame on you
June 20, 2012 - 6:01pm — jenniferI feel for you. You have a young family and of coarse in your heart you want things to work out. You want to have an intact marriage for your children and it sounds like you go to church and may take divorce as a "failure". I would ask you to look at what he's doing, telling you that you need better communication skills???? He is laying all the blame on you and it sounds like your sensitive enough to take it. I was like that, of coarse, you may not have communicated 100% perfectly, that does not mean you need a coarse in communication or the marriage issues are your fault! He is belittling and blameing you, don't buy into it! Don't let him destroy your self confidence and question yourself! That is exactly what he wants! Ask yourself, is this the kind of relationship I want to project to my daughters? Do I want to let them see me walk on eggshells all the time? DO you want them walking on eggshells as they grow? And entering into a similar relationship pattern? If you leave you will find support in your friends and church, you & your children will live in PEACE and joy, being kind and uplifting to one another. Don't buy into the "I must find a way to make it work" lie. You will wind up bitter! Love & prayers to you!
Jennifer, you are
June 24, 2012 - 9:19pm — whereamiJennifer, you are right.
Tonight our oldest asked me, "What's the matter, Mommy? What's the matter, Daddy?" when she saw us interacting with each other. Heck, no, I don't want to model a disfunctional relationship for my daughters to think that is the norm!
Believe me, I've been doing a lot of prayer and seeking wise counsel and I feel like separation is the answer right now. I have been laying other boundaries for him and tonight he commented, "I don't know who you are." I think that may be a good thing, in a way, because I am standing up for myself, and any threats I have received from him I have questioned or made my own, i.e. "if you hit me, I'm telling someone what you do."
This is a great site for support. Do you have any other words of wisdom for me? I appreciate your response.
Strategy
June 27, 2012 - 10:10am — jenniferMy further advise is please use strategy if you are planning on leaving. Don't let everyone know you are planning to separate, he will have his guard up and decieve and steal whatever assets he can, or he will put on a show to try and get you to stay. Please do however, tell your friends/family/fellow church members the issues you are struggling with in the marriage. There are 2 benefits to this: it is harder for him to abuse you if you don't keep it secret through misplaced shame. (the abuse is a reflextion of HIS character not yours!) and the 2nd, people will not be surprised when you leave, and be ready to support you. Also, please google everything you can about preparing for divorce BEFORE you separate! Get ahold of papers and info now, before its too late. I am so glad you are strong enough to be seriously considering this, I stayed too long! Your life and time, and your childrens, is too precious to waste being miserable over conditions you are unable to change. My thoughts will be with you! Please keep us posted on your progress!
Leave as fast as you can
June 13, 2012 - 7:25am — lazinYour story really touched me because I can see my younger self in it. I wish I would have had the insight you have received from your counselor about NPD. I never heard the word until a year ago. I never know what was wrong in my marriage, but I always knew something was. I tried to leave a few times but was always dragged back in by threats of losing my children and having no money to take care of them. I ended up staying for 30 years with this man who made my life a living hell. The only way I managed to get out was by my kids telling me either I leave or I would have hardly any contact with them or my grandchildren as they would not come to our house because of their father.
My children saved my life.
I hope you take this to heart and realize that you are not helping your children by staying with this man. I know that now looking back that it would have been so much better for my children had I left. None of my children refer to this man as their father, they have no contact with him and he never tries to contact them anymore. He tells people that his children all have mental illness. Ha ha.
My children have endured emotional abuse and do have some issues involving that, but we have a code word in our family now and when they backslide we use "his name" and they realize what they are doing.
Your husband will not get better he will just get worse if you stay. If you stay his power gets stronger and he will control your entire life. He will cut off all your support, and slowly your family will distance themselves from you because he makes it too uncomfortable for them to be there. Your friends will stop calling because you will always have an excuse to why you cannot meet them for lunch or go anywhere with them.
I am sorry this is so long, but you remind me of my situation early on in my marriage and I wish I had someone who would have told me this then. I could have saved myself and my kids alot of pain.
I have been out for a year and it is lonely sometimes, but lonely is better than stomach clenching fear and always being nervous and laying in bed at night wishing I would not wake up in the morning.
Good Luck to you, and will be praying hard for you and your children.
Thanks...
June 11, 2012 - 9:24pm — whereamiThanks to you guys for your comments. I really have felt almost bewildered, like, "what has happened in my life?" and, "I am such an intelligent woman; why did I listen to my heart and not to logic?" I don't want to be in denial, and I so WANT him not to be a N, but it seems like he possibly is. Feeling low and like the only thing that helps keep me going visually is when I see my kids smile up at me with innocent eyes.
I hope you get out as soon as you can.
June 12, 2012 - 9:07am — abrevaI hope you get out so you can get on with having a real and good life.
We are pulling for you.
Bless you.
June 11, 2012 - 12:02pm — abrevaYour story is very similar to mine.
The only way out of the situation is to divorce.
Staying in the marriage will only lead to more abuse, and worse abuse.
He will use your deep faith in God to manipulate you into staying in the marriage.
Please read the posts on this site, the All About Him and The Path Forward forums.
He will be legally obligated to support you and your children.
You are in the right place.
Ugh!! Hark, Hark.. Another
June 11, 2012 - 11:57am — HunterUgh!! Hark, Hark.. Another crazy Narc..
I'm confused in regards to your counselor ..
They diagnosed this guy as NPD.. Then in the next breath they say he's not doing anything with this " FRIEND" let's get real here .. What do you think??
This is how a narc operates. IDEALIZE DEVALUE DISCARD !!
Right now he's baiting his next victim .. Like it or not that's what's happening..
Youre counselor if familiar with NPD should know this..
With that said.. It's time for you make a decesion..
You have 2 choices .. Say,live with your children and continue to be subjected to scrambled eggs and abuse or put a plan together and get the HELL out!!
Welcome to Narcville
Hunter