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I haven’t seen much discussion of dating on this forum. I realize it’s the Steps 1-3 forum and I’ll also start off by saying that I am definitely NOT ready to be in a serious relationship, but I’ve spent a lot of my recent NC time thinking about dating, the type of person I would want to be in a relationship with, and the type of men I’m attracting who want to date me.
After four years of being with my exNP, the last year spent in therapy and trying to end the relationship (before I realized what he really was), I am 38 days NC after a restraining order was put in place May 2. Althought the restraining order was put in place to end his stalking, I’m also grateful that it has enabled me to keep NC! Amazing what several weeks of not being brainwashed can do to clarify your thinking!
Some topics I’ve been thinking about:
1. Dating
Due mostly to Facebook, several men who were friends have asked me out since my final breakup with exNC in March. I made it clear to every one of them I wasn’t ready to be in a relationship, but still spent time doing things like dance lessons, dinner, movies. Although the activities themselves were enjoyable, it made me realize that I am not ready for anything serious. I don’t know if it’s me, or most men (it’s been a LONG time since I’ve been in the dating game), but they all seemed kind of persistent and pushy. Nice guys, all who I have known for years, but I was just annoyed by the lack of acknowledgement on their part that I’m not ready for a relationship, but at the same time I know it’s probably not realistic to expect them to get it.
2. Physical Relationship
A couple months ago, about a month prior to NC, I initiated a physical relationship with a man that goes to the same gym as me, and for some reason I am 100% comfortable with this. I think it’s because I initiated the relationship knowing he’s not interested in a serious relationship, and he’s not someone I would ever want to be in serious relationship with. I am attracted to him physically, he’s a mild mannered person, definitely not pushy, and about as opposite of my exNP as one could be.
3. Oh God, it’s happening again!
The last topic I wanted to touch on was the topic of how and why I (we?) attract the Narc type. Yesterday something happened that seemed so similar to how I initially got involved with my exNP, I was kind of freaked out.
I train in the martial arts. One of my coaches is married and an ex-Marine. At a team party two weeks ago, he was very drunk and kept texting me to go “make out” in his hotel room. I wrote it off to him being drunk. However, this week, he had what I know he thought to be a serious discussion with me about the two of us having a sexual-only relationship. I seriously believe he only broached this topic because he knows of the other relationship (above).
I felt like he was “testing the waters,” which is exactly what my exNP (also my coach at the time) did, although slightly more subtly and over time. This current coach said he loves his wife, does not want to leave her, but that they agreed to have an open marriage.
In the past, I think I would have taken him at his word about the open marriage, but now I just don’t believe anything like this no matter who says it! He said he’s had physical-only relationships outside his marriage and that’s all he wants. Exactly what my exNP said to me: It will be physical only, I’ll never ask you to leave your husband. Lie.
Of course, he was very nice about it because after all, he is a coach where I train and is fairly well known coach in his art.
I told him I am not interested in sleeping with him because of the nature of our relationship (coach/student) and I was never going to have a relationship, physical or otherwise, with a married man. He was pretty nice about it, but I could tell he was somewhat offended (Narc!), yet actually tried a couple more times by half-jokingly saying “Well how about just a massage,” and “Let’s just do it this one time; I’m really quick.”
I feel a little to blame because this coach has been very friendly and open since I started and I did confide in him the saga of my exNP. Is that because of me? Because of him? Do these guys really sense someone who is vulnerable? Due to the martial arts background, he knows of my ex but doesn’t personally know him. Time to put more boundaries around the relationship with this coach.
Thank goodness for this group, the reading I’ve done, and my therapist, who is the one who’s been telling me in every weekly session that she wants to make sure I don’t end up with another N. It was very clear to me what was happening as it happened and I was very clear in my mind that I was not going to sleep with him. I expect he’ll try again. He does know about the physical relationship I described above, and I wonder if this is the reason he’s trying this? (“If she’s sleeping with him, then maybe she’ll sleep with me.”) If not, then I guess I am concerned about what it is about me that resulted a very similar situation between coach and student? I also wonder how frequently men who are coaches try similar things with female students, especially in sports that are mostly male-dominated. I think it’s unethical.
Open Marriage?
June 9, 2012 - 2:35pm — agnesmurphy17Tell him you need to discuss the "open marriage" thing with his wife first. I don't think he'd like that. Heh. Heh. Call his bluff.
And if this man is your "coach" making sexual advances is very unprofessional. Even if you unburdened yourself to him. They make you feel indebted and then they call in the marker.
I became friendly with a guy when I left my N. Just friends & I talked to him a lot about my N. This man was so, so helpful. Even came with me to move my possessions because I was afraid to be alone with N. I do not know how I could have surivived the first three months without his shoulder. But, then he started to change. Wanted $500 to pay a bill! (Red Flag.) And he started to become controlling. I just walked away. I felt very callous after all he had done. But the red flags were waiving.
Back to the coach. Is this "sexual harassment"? Would the boss be concerned if he saw all those texts about making out in his hotel room? Especially when the advances are unwanted?
here is my opinion, for what it's worth
June 9, 2012 - 2:19pm — lessonlearned1. good job being upfront & telling the guys that you are NOT ready for a relationship. spending time with people is healthy, as long as they are people who respect your boundaries! if any of these dudes are being pushy or rude, my advice would be saying something like this: "ok, one more time: i enjoy you as a person, but i am NOT looking for a relationship right now due to the fact that i am not ready. either you respect that & knock it off with the pushiness/rudeness, or this is the last time we get together. understand?" it probably sounds "mean" & bitchy, but i think a lot of times men are conditioned to be persistent (or many are just really bad at listening and/or interpreting body language), & this will be a very clear way of laying out your expectations. then stick to it. if they don't respect your wishes, lose their #.
2. a purely physical relationship with a low-key, no drama, nice, single guy sounds perfect for where you're at right now. good for you.
3. BOUNDARIES. with the married a-hole hitting on you, you need to quit trying to read into his motivation (he was drunk, he's testing the waters, blah blah blah) & boil it down to this: NO. "do you want to go make out?" NO. "how about a massage?" NO. "i'll be quick." NO. "i have an open marriage." NO. "it's 'cause i know about you & the other guy." NO. "just this one time." NO.
in the same way you finally cut loose your toxic, disordered ex, it's time to pare back your list of friends & acquaintances. these people who are trying to get their way with you, without respecting your own needs & boundaries in the process, should be purged. delete delete delete. get rid of them. the world is full of respectful, healthy, happy people. dump the dead weight & make room for some new, positive energy.
it's finally all about YOU. make it count.
N/Ps will find a way to hurt you.
June 9, 2012 - 1:30pm — alicepaulThe N coach who is trying to sleep with you by offering a low-key, no-strings, "safe" arrangement will bait and switch you. I know you stated you are not interested in him and wouldn't sleep with a married man, but still, don't be fooled by his seemingly honest approach. He is exploiting the coach-student relationship, something that should be based on trust and respect, to try to get you to "trust" him. The likely outcome if you were to give in? He will become quickly bored after the high of the conquest wears off and will find another way to use you for stimulation. Perhaps blaming you for making him stray, giving you an STD, hinting that his wife knows and that she's upset (open marriage, after all, she's supposed to have given consent), etc., etc., etc.
You are already ahead of the game with this one, but he is no friend and no one you should trust, coach or not. These types seem to be everywhere, mine is a sound engineer/foley artist/musician, and a psychopath. I wish I could go back in time before I made the stupid mistake with him, but it's the last mistake I make with someone I thought was a so-called friend. You seem to be tuned in to the N/Ps around you. Like I've read in many places, any sort of relationship with an N/P is guaranteed to lead to Inevitable Harm. It makes for tricky dating, but better to be a bit lonely and bored than to let another wrong one in.