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email abuse from exnh-psychopath
let me count the words: 1250 -- scrambled egg &, tossed salad
It could have been 11 words.
Oh the drama! He is creating such a wordy threatening FUSS over nothing. WOW. Boo hoo for him. He set it up for the drama. It's all a wind storm of his making. WOW.
HE IS DOING IT ON PURPOSE.
IT'S A TOTAL GAME
He creates a drama, accuses me and threatens me, then he will get to refer to it forevermore in more accusatory and threatening emails.
Just like when we were married.
He is "kicking me" over last weeks problem with financial matters that I referred to my lawyer.
I stand up for myself - he kicks.
He's been writing inflammatory emails for YEARS -- all throughout our marriage.
I am looking at my options on how to deal with this. PLEASE ADVISE
1. I can ignore his lies, inflammatory rhetoric, etc.
-gives him zero supply
-requires no time or money from me
2. I can refer it to the Parent Coordinator.
-shines a light on his disordered behavior
-perhaps controls his abusive behavior
I'm activated, charged by it, annoyed by it. There's some extra energy over it, but I am not helpless.
I can see the humor in it.
Best way to handle it?
responding to psychopath by using the authority
June 11, 2012 - 5:34pm — abrevaI finally responded to the recent poke from the psychopath.
I responded by sending the offending email to the Parent Coordinator, notated with my comments about what actually occurred and pointing out psychopath's lies. I told PC that since psycho won't stop harassing me via email, my only recourse is to stop reading the long emails.
We shall see how PC and Psychopath respond to this. I will only check my email once a day regarding the matter, because that is my boundary. I am not going to have my life sucked by this garbage game.
This will be 3rd strike for psychopath with PC. PC has told Psycho to Stop It - twice already. We shall see if PC is worth it.
Either way, I am relatively peaceful.
But I did NOT respond directly to psychopath. I ignored the heck out of him. He even sent me a reminder to not forget that he had given me a deadline for his Non-Threat Threat.
I say NOTHING to him, but to myself I say: "Ha Ha yeah right I'm not going to respond to you -- you are an A**"
Hi there I am sorry to see
June 9, 2012 - 3:22pm — matahariHi there I am sorry to see what you write and I feel the frustration as i am going through the same. He got worse when I got my lawyer involved....but i dont give a monkeys..without the lawyer as a buffer they think they can manipulate us as they are of the thinking that since we put up with their bull shit for years we are weak spinless amoebas....the horrible emails that i used to get has stopped because i do not entertain them at all and my guess is he is now probably horrible to her unless he is using her for something he needs. They are bullies who fight you in the dark, stab you in the back nothing is ever done upfront so when you have extra eyes ,brains etc etc to support you they panic and when they panic they become totally illogical.
By what you write you have got him sussed.
Be 10 steps ahead of him and ignore him...the more venum he pores out, rest assure the more unhappy he is lol!!!Take care of yourself and go enjoy your freedom..Hugs xx
The best thing to do with a TURD is to flush him!if not they just leave a bad smell.............
Game Plan
June 9, 2012 - 10:14am — agnesmurphy17Have you ever thought of a free blog? Post his "edited" e-mails so that nobody can identify him. You might get quite a following. These guys can be just so funny. Mine used to like to write letters & e-mails to me during the marriage as well. Heck, he was in the next room writing letters to his wife! So totally nuts. And then he would DEMAND a response. Just to absorb my time. And if I didn't respond appropriately or immediately--another temper tantrum to absorb my time. It's amazing how these men just consume precious time. And for what? Nothing. At the end of the day, there is zero to show for all this time and emotion. it's all theater & drama.
I also know a person who just writes & writes hundreds of words where ten would do. It's some kind of "engagement." With your N, it is the "opposite-of-communication." I think he may be creating a distraction over here to get you all absorbed when he's really doing the dirty over there where you are not attending. Is this possible? Is he up to something?
I find it interesting that he still vents on you when there is a fiancee. Obviously he's still on best behavior with her. I think you need to be very careful not to be the third leg on their stool. He will always abuse you, and then be nicer to her.
Frankly, I think ignoring these guys is the best. It takes the wind out of their sails. They are emotional vampires. They need to feed. He will feed on his NW if you are not available.
Time Absorption
June 9, 2012 - 11:29am — abrevaAgnes,
The crazy email thing always happened in our marriage. Actually it happened before marriage, but I was mistaken that we would eventually work out the "communication difficulties". Right -- EYE ROLL -- we weren't having communication difficulties -- he was and is an A**.
I have thought about posting his crazy s***, but as we all know, that would just cause me more trouble. Eye Roll. And my goal is to focus on things that Actually Matter.
Maybe a blog for Low Contact custody issues -- or maybe there is just a forum on this site for that. It would be helpful.
"Just to absorb my time. And if I didn't respond appropriately or immediately--another temper tantrum to absorb my time. It's amazing how these men just consume precious time. And for what? Nothing. At the end of the day, there is zero to show for all this time and emotion. it's all theater & drama."
Yes. Time Absorption. What is up with that? What is UP WITH THAT??? It is so weird. I don't think I've heard anybody really address that part of the psychopathic nature. What a sick f***.
By the way, I don't swear much except about this subject. Swearing about the exnh-psychopath is very appropriate.
I found some saved emails between he and gf before me (several gf's back when he was still in college) and the pontificating b.s. he did! The psychoanalysis! When he was still into Freud. EYEROLL. And she called him on it. Illuminating and ultimately helpful for me to read.
" I think he may be creating a distraction over here to get you all absorbed when he's really doing the dirty over there where you are not attending. Is this possible? Is he up to something?"
I think this is an interesting idea. At this point, I'm not sure what dirty he could be doing, because I'm not engaging and not distracted by his b.s. All it costs me is money. And that sucks, but I just figure that a certain portion of my child support is allocated to dealing with his-holiness-of-pain-in-the-butt-land. I think he will probably try to get full custody of my children, and if he doesn't, he will always use that threat to attempt to control me. Whatever. EYEROLL.
So, you think that ANY engagement with him feeds him? I would agree. I am about to end my run with the PC (so to speak. i'm legally bound to deal with PC - eye roll -) after this next engagement. I wanted to firmly establish the fact that Dr. Freakshow is Who He Is with the PC -- and I've done my best with that.
He is still trying to get NW to Marry Him. I mean, the Date is set and LOOMING, but I think that he won't let his true colors completely out until she is PREGNANT or has a child. I think that he is on Better Behavior now because he BLEW IT WITH ME, his first wife. He has a huge MESS to clean up (in his mind) because I ditched him. All of a sudden, the world may be looking at him as a perpetrator (because I said so) and he's got to manage that water leak. He's not stupid. He knows that he looks bad. So, he can't kick her yet. YET. He will. I know he will. His world will fall apart, like it always does, because he pushes the boundaries -- and he will have to get relief. I will not provide that relief to him. I'm out of it.
He also has my family member to use and abuse. I expect that they are feeding on each other in some perverted way -- all about Abreva -- and this complicates things for NW, or something. I mean, if MY family member won't even deal with me (he loves to state it that way, like there is something HORRIBLE about me that my own family member would x, y, z....)
So, Miss Agnes, thank you for your feedback and thank you for looking after me about this bizarre situation. EYE ROLL.
My eye roll is now my secret weapon!
Stupid stupid man is all I
June 10, 2012 - 10:25pm — WalkingonsunshineStupid stupid man is all I can say. Personally I would just leave him to fester in his angry drama.
I absolutely think you should
June 9, 2012 - 5:49pm — shylohI absolutely think you should start a blog for LC. I have looked for something like that and I cant find one. So I am sure there are may who have sought this type of blog out .It is a very important subject!!
As for letting true colors out when new gf possibly has a child, I agree with this. This is when my ex's true colors came out (actually during the pregnancy). And I was the 2nd wife. blechhhhhh.
I think so too!
June 13, 2012 - 6:15am — wiserwomanI was thinking exactly the same thing. I hope you don't mind me sharing this 'publicly', but your Psychopath's letters are masterpieces of narcissism. Truly. We could learn so much from reading them. You could probably do a phD on narcissism from them.
And well, to be honest, in a sick way, they're highly entertaining. (sorry, I DO know it's definitely NOT funny when it's your life - xx)
A round of eye rolls for everyone!! ;)
Eye rolls -- and excellent defense.
June 13, 2012 - 10:42am — abrevaYeah, eye rolls are free, on the house today.
More Info Please -- Shyloh
June 9, 2012 - 5:56pm — abreva"This is when my ex's true colors came out (actually during the pregnancy). And I was the 2nd wife. blechhhhhh."
Shyloh- I really want to hear about how this went down.
You met him. He told you stories about the first wife? You bought the stories? You realized they were b.s. when....?
This would be incredibly helpful for me to hear. Like a template.
Do you expect this current GF of Captain Underpants to marry him?
OK, here is the info-Kind of
June 10, 2012 - 6:55pm — shylohOK, here is the info-Kind of cathartic to write it.
I met ex and he came on super duper strong and fast. I thought it was a good sign he had been married before, as it meant he wasnt commitment phobic like most men my age at the time (32). Talked about moving in really quickly, and presented super well on paper-as in he had an aspiring career, owned 2 nice condos and was fun and adventurous. He didnt bad mouth the first wife, other than she got "crazy" and they were married 7 months (RED FLAGVILLE) (I have since heard her story and she has said she would not wish him on her worst enemy but she also says "people can change").
Anyway, long story short, he started seeing someone else in that time and flying to another coast to be with her and I thought since he was in aviation it was just the job (duh, I was clueless, trusted him with child like trust). Well I like to believe the best in people. So finally I broke up with him, I think I just got done reading the book "hes just not that into me" because I felt like he was distant and not into it and I deserved better. and then a few weeks later he came on really strong. We got back together, fell in love and we married after knowing one another for a year (wayyyyy to short). And I had found out about the ow soon after we got back together, he told me, we were still not in a committed relationship and he just realized with all of my patience and coolness, I was the one-lol). I remember at the time understanding that he was dating 2 people in the beginning stages of a reltionship, but the capability of his lying was the scarey part and I told him that.
I was very anxious and depressed in the beginning of our marriage, partly due to the part of the hemisphere we lived in and lack of sunlight and partly because I married a total control freak.(looking back he says he didnt know what to do because he was scared that he just married me and I was so depressed and didnt want to do anything(I was-it was bad-but he blamed the control on that). I had noticed some things prior to marriage, but when we were isolated in our town of 250, he micromanaged everything, down to how much toilet paper I wiped my ass with and how much I used the calling card to talk. I was 'rationed' time on the calling card(my entire family and friends lived an 8 hour flight away) and I was the bread winner, at that point.
We had a few months in which my depression lifted and we had love love love, well I got pregnant and we were very happy. Then he got controlling again and micro managed and berated me for everything. Well when the baby was born, I was so worn down(and not from pregnancy but from marriage to a man who always found something wrong and had rages-many punches trhough walls, etc). that I had to go stay with my parents for my maternity leave, as we were relocating anyway and it was like a cry out for help. He agreed with it but berated me again and then said my mom spent to much time with us, as she flew to our new town and helped with the baby while I started my new job and got the baby in day care. (side note: all these life stressors were going on at once, our daughter got diagnosed with an illness and we had no family around and one night he came home from work at 3 am and ripped the blankets off of me and told me "you do not sleep like a married person", because he was a sheet tucker and I was not and had the sheets untucked.WTF
Anyway, I guess I am saying if someone is controlling, when they become a parent it escalates. If your narc is anything like mine a new baby would be a "new start" and almost as if he can prove that he can do it better this time or something. Like he is part of something. Like he can hook the new woman. My ex NArc is very superficial in parenting, like he is showing D off. He doesnt seem genuinely interested, just like she is a trophy kid (she looks identicle to him). But he always wines and cries about how he misses her (and has painted a pic that I am a bitch who keeps her away from him). He never calls her or skypes. Just wants to show her off to his friends and GF. She loves him though and I will let her figure out what she will. Maybe he can change and be a better dad. Maybe the gf can, she is super christian and has strong faith ( he bitched about church all the time-lol).
I dont know if mine would have another baby. His present girlfriend has 2 adopted and he recently told me he wants a vascetomy because he doesnt really like kids and that it was so devastating when "I took off with D and moved 1200 miles away". I have an adopted baby (she is 1 now) and he looked at her picture the last time he was visiting and said "you do realize that is 400 thousand dollars sitting there dont you?") Like he was objectifying kids and how much they cost, etc.
Captain Underpants wants a family soooo bad, his mom was married 7 times and dad 3, he was shuffled around and around and he has always just wanted a family. this was part of the draw to him, as he seemed so sensitive and ready to commit. And that is all I ever wanted too-a family. So, I wouldnt be surprised if he married gf. He just recently told me (after he had sex with me and got into a contract with a new home to move kids and I in, asking me to get back together, I am the love of his life. We are his real family and they are the pseudo family......and now they are back together). Captain Underpants wants a family that he never had...so I can see him marrying her or someone. Even thinking about that still makes me a little sad (way less than ever). I used to worry about him having another baby-because damnit I wanted another with him-it still bothers me sometimes, but after hearing what he says about kids, it would be a JOKE if he had anymore and I hope for the worlds sake he goes out and follows through with a vascetomy asap!!!!
I dont now if I answered but feel free to ask whatever you want or need directly re: this subject.
How are you about yours remarrying?
Time Consumption
June 9, 2012 - 2:23pm — agnesmurphy17Why do they crunch up time? Because they are EVIL! They are wasting precious life.
One of the ploys I have read about & even seen women here is the consuming the woman's fertile years & then leaving her before she can have a child. There was a woman here & her story was so tragic. Five years of the perfect marriage & always the two of them planning to have a child, looking at baby clothes stores, etc. Then she said "it was time" & he up & left--just like that. And, of course, had a NW pronto.
A really evil & organized psychopath likes to see the trap spring shut. They enjoy seeing the look in the victim's eye that she has been had & used.
Your N sounds a bit like mine. A borderline. Really into drama, black/white thinking. Mine was even diagnosed that type of bi-polar which mimics borderline personality disorder. Mine lied a lot. I learned that much of his personal history had been a lie. Mine had different personas for different people. It was really creepy. Mine compartmentalized people really well. Very few people realized what a bad man he is. And, most people do not want to be involved.
Time Wasting as ABUSE. Ugh.
June 9, 2012 - 5:57pm — abrevaYou see, I'm all tough about a lot of this, but then I read your response and I'm a little bit activated. I'm a little punched in the gut. (That's actually a good thing, since my goal is to HEAL).
The time wasting is ABUSE. Duh. Duh. Duh. Duh. It's just so WEIRD!!!! WHY would anybody want to waste someone's time????? I just can't wrap my head around it right now. Seriously. I don't get it.
I get a lot of things. I didn't get them right away. It took you people explaining it to me.
"Your N sounds a bit like mine. A borderline. Really into drama, black/white thinking. Mine was even diagnosed that type of bi-polar which mimics borderline personality disorder. Mine lied a lot. I learned that much of his personal history had been a lie. Mine had different personas for different people. It was really creepy. Mine compartmentalized people really well. Very few people realized what a bad man he is. And, most people do not want to be involved."
UGHGHGHHGHGHGH. That compartmentalization -- Dr. PsychoDoctorCrazyFreak is an expert in that. I guess they teach that in Psychological Torture School (ie Psychiatrist School). Geez. He would brag about the compartmentalization thing, I think - - I don't know, at some point I stopped listening to his psychobabble.
Yeah, this really hurts. He sucked a lot of my life time. At least I have my kids out of it. They are wonderful. I would like more.
You can have more! I really
June 10, 2012 - 7:01pm — shylohYou can have more! I really had a lot of pain over wanting another or wanting another with him but that will heal in time- I promise. I would prob still be hurt if he had another but I will just have to accept it and then I think well at least my D will have a half sibbling.
I went out and adopted. I always knew I wanted to do it since I was a kid and believe me it is very hard as a single mom but I love that baby like she is mine and so does her sister my D. I waited until things settled down a bit in life and I prayed to God and said I was ready and then she showed up-not kidding:)
Avoiding the Psychopathic Spin Cycle: Update
June 9, 2012 - 9:56am — abrevaSo, I have delayed and delayed and delayed dealing with the latest drama from Dr. Lose. Delaying has been a liberating experience.
-Here's today's Nonsense -- He likes to Poke Poke Poke --- He's a Joke Joke Joke -
I got an email "reminder" from him that his imposed "Deadline" is approaching for the most recent stupid drama of his making.
(Yeah -- your deadline, or what will happen???)
No response from me -- eye roll.
Psychopath acted like I was still going to deal with him Last Month's drama of his making.
(No -- I told him that I was referring to my lawyer - I DID refer my lawyer. GO AWAY.)
No response from me. Eye roll.
Ignore. Next.
Ah, the power of the Almighty Delay!
June 3, 2012 - 11:00pm — abrevaEven more clarity comes to me in how to handle this.
Delay.
He doesn't know that I spent a large part of my day dealing with this.
He'll never know that he actually DID make me jump, and he actually DID control me and occupy my thoughts. But, Dr. Cylon, I am LEARNING how to walk this maze, and you are losing your grip!
Delay.
I will delay responding. I am not obligated to respond quickly, or at all.
I will respond, when it suits me, and I will send it to the Parent Coordinator when I damn well feel like it. It is NOT going to ruin my special week coming up with my children. Oh no. NO.
He timed this attack (and his last attack) to fall on significant days. Oh no, Dr. Cylon, you will not ruin my life. Sorry bud. Not this girl.
Move along.
Leaning toward Parent Coordinator.
June 3, 2012 - 10:52am — abrevaI'm leaning toward the Parent Coordinator, since if I don't get this "on the record", then the EXNH-Psychopath will refer to it forevermore and muddy the water with it.
Easier to get it cleaned up now, rather than later.
I've already got the emails ready to send to PC in the morning. I never respond in haste.
This is a good idea,
June 3, 2012 - 12:09pm — Deidre99This is a good idea, abreva...the best idea. Let the PC handle things as much as humanly possible.
What's he threatening, may I ask?
I applaud your strength during this. Honestly, you're one of the strongest people I am pleased and honored to know. ((hugs))
Thank you!
June 3, 2012 - 12:21pm — abrevaEssentially he is threatening to not follow our agreement that is filed with the court.
It's about money.
He messed things up, and he wants me to fix it?
Mostly he just wants to beat on me.
It's a bunch of non-sense.
I could send you the more than 1200 words, but really, it's nonsense.
He's a Cylon, a Toaster (as taken from Battlestar Gallactica).
He's after me because his wedding is impending and he's short on cash. Best guess.
lmao-you make me laugh. i bet
June 3, 2012 - 2:20pm — Deidre99lmao-you make me laugh. i bet you are right. lol he needs cash for the wedding.
what's sad is the new bride...doesn't she see the mayhem here? i guess we all chose to overlook it once upon a time, ourselves. i feel for her. she's in for a rude awakening.
lol @ battlestar galactica
abreva. i hope you take this well. you are a catch, and a fabulous man is gonna find you someday. not that this is pressing to you--but you are just such a cool woman. i mean this. your ex was a fool. (well we know this hee hee)
and he's mad about last week.
June 3, 2012 - 12:23pm — abrevaAnd he's mad at me because I got my lawyer involved with the financial issue from last week. He's not following our agreement with THAT either.
Loser
Delaying emails
June 3, 2012 - 11:47am — abrevaSee, I'm so glad I haven't responded to his crazy email or sent anything to the PC yet, because I was walking around and a lightbulb went off in my head:
He always treats me like his employee, a secretary, someone to kick around and blame.
He's going off on me about things that actually have NOTHING to do with me.
He is assigning all kinds of work to me, and blame, about things that are NOT my responsibility. He's such a snaky manipulative ass that it's hard to see past all the nonsensical blame and notice that it's for him to FIX and not me.
This is the THEME with him lately.
It's a waste of my time in one sense. I've spent HOURS on this already. But I have to get this figured out so that when he does the Blame Game I deflect it immediately.
Mine was too smart to leave a
June 13, 2012 - 11:02pm — bluegirlMine was too smart to leave a text or email record. I would just copy the emails and forward them to your lawyer. You are paying them to be a buffer in this. Hopefully, you will be able to make HIM pay the lawyer, so his emails will cost him money.