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Here is what happened today. My cleaning lady also cleans for my exN's house. I had her for a long time and when he needed someone I sent her there to help him. Well, she hasn't cleaned my house for 10 months because she had a baby. She still worked at my exN's but sent her mother to my house because she is older and mine is easier for her to clean. Her mother went back to the Ukraine to visit family so MY lady came back for the first time today.
She told me about OW and her 3 kids that have their stuff everywhere, how he has bought them expensive electronics (I did know that), they all went on vacation to a beautiful resort etc..She said I don't know but she has him wrapped around her finger. He has pictures of them everywhere and she leaves notes telling him what a good kisser and lover he is, how thankful she is that he is in her life, and that she will love him until she takes her last breath. I could feel the anxiety coming on.......I wanted to drop to my knees and cry like a baby!! I told her that when she comes to clean here I don't want to hear a word about him ever again!!
So why do I feel this way?? I thought those sick feelings about OW were gone. I have even said on this forum that the longer she gives him great supply I don't have to worry about a hoover. I don't want one!!
I have come so far on this site. At least that's what I thought. I have read Lisa's ebook, blogs, posts and have made comments here that made me feel like I get it now. I have preached to my pm friend that we just have accept that this is who they are even if we don't understand this sick disorder. I even told her that the thought of being with him now disgusts me!!
How are my words "I GET HIM NOW AND HE IS A PATHETIC PIECE OF SHIT" not sinking in? I know this to be 1,000 percent true, yet I still get upset when I hear about his new life and want to cry like a freakin' little baby!!
Looks like I am the Pathetic one here. How could I even care what the hell he is doing when I know he is a FAKE??? I guess it's because after 7 months he is still doing so much for her and her children. He never did those things for mine in 9 years.
I thought I was healing and now I don't think I am at all. I can't go on day after day feeling horrible. It is destroying me!!
I need a shoulder to lean on....Can I borrow yours?? :(
Loserfree
loserfree
May 17, 2012 - 11:06am — UsedSo she cleans his home that has more mess and people in it ,even tho she couldnt still clean your home cos she had a baby....
This doesnt make sense, and to tell you all this about exn and ow.....SHE IS DOING IT ON PURPOSE....
Get a new cleaner asap, AND WHEN YOU DO , DONT INTRODUCE THEM TO ANYONE ELSE...THAT WAY YOU WONT GET DUMPED AGAIN FOR THE PERSON YOU INTRODUCED....
MY HEAD SPINS AT TIMES WITH THIS SORT OF GOSSIP...
Loserfree
May 17, 2012 - 7:43am — janemarieThis feeling of "getting it" and having it sink in takes time...baby steps...
When I read Lisas book back in Nov. I did everything it said to do ...all the exercises...and expected to be completely healed by the time I read the last page....That DID NOT happen!!!! I was kidding myself....what it did do was jump start me into recovery mode....
Between Nov. and now...I erased my Narc completely from my life...complete NC(pics, clothing, items anything that reminded me of him), got a therapist, went on then off of anti depressants, and dedicated my time and life to this forum. I cried, got angry, had highs then extreme lows....THIS is the process.....THIS is what it takes....and it does NOT happen overnight!!!!!!!
I finally joined the weekly sessions with Goldie to face everything once again...and Im so glad I did...I was forced to face my emotions and opened up that door again but it needed to be done. I reread Lisas book and it was completely different the second time around 5 months later. I was able to absorb more from it then I did in Nov. because I had time to mend a bit.
Recovery does not happen like a light switch...the light switch moments happen little by little. You must be patient with yourself and with time. If you do it right, the more thorough you are and the longer it takes the better you will be. And then hopefully you will have learned and grown so much that you will never ever be a victim again!!!!!
Dont rush...be patient...stick to NC...and dedicate your life to this right now....This is what it takes!!
Good luck!!
xoxo
janemarie thank you so much
May 17, 2012 - 7:58am — LoserFreejanemarie thank you so much for explaining what to expect along my journey. It is comforting to hear from someone who does "get it" , that I am at a normal stage right now. I am trying to be patient with myself it's just tougher than I ever imagined!!
I am on this site for 10 hours a day and sometimes I forget I do have another life. But I know filling my head with knowledge will ultimately give me my power back!
Thank you for your well wishes
XOXO to you, too
Loserfree
I'm so sorry that happened to
May 16, 2012 - 10:58pm — bluegirlI'm so sorry that happened to you. I really think that certain things will randomly trigger me for the rest of my life. I wonder if finding real love with a real man makes that stop.
bluegirl I sure hope
May 16, 2012 - 11:03pm — LoserFreebluegirl I sure hope so.....because I'm counting on a healthy relationship to remind me why he doesn't exist in my head anymore.
I am still at the stage where
May 16, 2012 - 11:13pm — bluegirlI am still at the stage where I see traits in every man. It's just not possible that every male in this city suddenly is a Narcissist. It's going to be a long time before I can make the distinction between 1) PRINCE CHARMING (a myth but nonetheless in every woman's subconscious), 2) NORMAL MAN (High Grade), 3) NORMAL MAN (typical clueless man), 4) JERK (obnoxious but not pathological), 5) YOUNGSTER (another moron fueled by cougar fantasies) or 6) which I like to call the OMG HE IS TOOTHLESS, OLD AND RUDE AND HE THINKS HE HAS A SHOT, WHAT IS WRONG WITH ME? types.
bluegirl i am at that stage
May 16, 2012 - 11:20pm — LoserFreebluegirl i am at that stage too. If any man so much as glances my way I am analyzing the crap out of him. I think it's normal to have our guard up because we were so damaged by our ExN. We will get there. We have to believe there is a good man out there who will not abuse us and love us like we so deserve.
Loserfree
Fire this woman. What a
May 16, 2012 - 10:10pm — Deidre99Fire this woman. What a fucking weirdo to tell u all this. Unprofessional for one thing telling you his business. Two...just plain strange to tell u all that. Plenty of cleaning people out there...she would be out.
When you go NC...you HAVE TO remove any ties to him. People are so eager to share dirt. I am sorry tho. But omit her...because trust me. If she is blabbing to u...she is blabbing to him. Believe it.
I would say ...thanks for your service but I found someone else. And move on like the classy chick you are! You got this. :)
I totally agree... I wouldnt
May 17, 2012 - 3:02am — tootsgeeI totally agree... I wouldnt be paying someone for freaking me out! GET RID! I hate the way people like to bring you scraps of news... I would never (even pre-N experience) do that to someone who had split up with someone else... WHO DOES THAT! I've had to lose 'friends' over this kind of thing to... and you know what .. life might be quieter at the moment but its not painful! xx
yes, exactly!i just find it
May 17, 2012 - 10:59am — Deidre99yes, exactly!
i just find it so utterly bizarre than a cleaning person would come to someone's house, and literally spew endless gossip about another customer's love life. it's just peculiar to me, at the very least. and again, to me, it just would cause me not to trust this person, just from a professional standpoint. i would wonder if she would be gossiping back to the narc about me? if you're healed, a lot of that ceases to matter. but, when you're really trying to get past it all, this kind of thing can be a real set back.
anyways. clean house, loserfree! hee hee pun intended. ;)
i hope you are doing better today, we care about you here.
Deidre very funny pun,
May 17, 2012 - 11:06am — LoserFreeDeidre very funny pun, indeed. Loved that one!!!
I am doing better today from reading the inspiring replies to many posts. It really has helped me a lot.
Thank you all for caring!!
And thanks Deidre for your kind words!
XOXO
Loserfree
Deidre I hear you loud and
May 16, 2012 - 10:27pm — LoserFreeDeidre I hear you loud and clear!!
Thanks so much for being direct and your support!!
Loserfree
And the fact that narcs need
May 16, 2012 - 10:44pm — Deidre99And the fact that narcs need to move new supply in so quickly...that shows he hasn't changed. A woman with kids? Any normal person wouldn't rush things but narcs rush relationships along to gain control. That is how I know this isn't true love. The timeline once again seems like that of a narc. Just something I noticed and continue to notice ....all these narcs we talk about here...don't merely date. They go from us to falling in love in two weeks. Lol that's not love.
So...just know...this is a narcissitic relationship.
Deidre God bless your soul
May 16, 2012 - 10:59pm — LoserFreeDeidre God bless your soul for that post. That's exactly what I needed to hear right now.
Yes she has a 6, 9 and 14 year old. She is 35 and he is 60. She moved in 3 weeks after he discarded me.
His own children 22, 24 and 26 know he is a Narc. They watched what he did to their mother. They have told me this. His one son is applying to medical school and needed money for his applications. He was complaining to his own son about dishing out the money while buying her children computers, iphones, and ipads. His son was so pissed that he walked out on him in disgust.
They really are fucked up human beings!!!!!
This story gets more bizarre
May 16, 2012 - 11:23pm — Deidre99This story gets more bizarre by the minute. :P
Yea...red flags are often overlooked when we first are charmed by these types. But looking back...he probably rushed you too. He rushed this woman...to gain control.
Plus many narcs struggle with aging. He thinks by moving this woman in...somehow he can turn back the clock.
Pity him. Don't miss him. Pity her and her kids. Pray she gets out before she and her kids end up hurt. I say this in earnest. I pity her and her kids and a narc that is now 60 and is still feeling the need to "get his game on".
You are awesome and she has nothing u want or need.
You do need to get a new cleaning lady now though :P
And they ....your ex and his
May 16, 2012 - 10:21pm — Deidre99And they ....your ex and his new woman...know the cleaning lady will report back to you...most likely. Its all a game ....interesting how quickly people introduce their kids to strange men. Its the new woman's kids I feel the most sorry for...especially when they end up witnessing the abuse their mom is going to eventually take. Sad story.
You hang in there though. Keep working on your own healing. Hugs.
I agree deidre, I thought
May 16, 2012 - 11:06pm — beautifulmessI agree deidre, I thought same thing. They know.
LoserFree
May 16, 2012 - 8:47pm — ruby01This may seem kind of backwards, but OMG this woman is in for a deadly fall.
The higher up you go, the further the fall. She has no clue.
You do. Don't you remember how much pain you were in when you were unaware and he started to devalue you? How he went from here to there at break neck speed?
What you are doing now is doubting yourself and questioning what you know is the truth.
No matter what happens in his life or hers, it no longer involves you. You are no longer deep in the drama and deceit.
Be glad, truly.
Remember how hard it was to see the truth and escape the fantasy. Never forget because it's the same as turning your back to a tiger. They will eat you alive.
ruby I remember that pain
May 16, 2012 - 9:11pm — LoserFreeruby I remember that pain like it was yesterday. My head was spinning so fast I didn't know which end was up. I didn't even know who i was anymore. I gave and gave into a bottomless pit for years. It was so hard to escape the fantasy. She is young and has little money. She isn't leaving for a long time. And he knows he hit the jackpot.
I know I should not care what kind of supply he is getting now. But want his supply to suck so he will end up miserable like he so well deserves!
Thanks for your support!
Loserfree
It's perfectly fine
May 16, 2012 - 9:21pm — ruby01to be angry. It's to be expected.
He's stuck. NOTHING will ever make him happy. No one no matter how hard they try will live up to his expectations. The irony is that it's like fighting over a broken toy!
He's broken. He can't be fixed and the truth is you are worth sooo much more.
So she is the proud (temporary) owner of a broken toy.
Who is in the best position right now?
ruby you are great at getting
May 16, 2012 - 9:27pm — LoserFreeruby you are great at getting your message across. Thank you so much!
She can have the broken toy. I will get myself a shiny new one. lol
"Who is in the best position right now?" ME ME ME ME ME
hugs
Loserfree
Loser free, It hasn't been
May 16, 2012 - 6:40pm — beautifulmessLoser free,
It hasn't been long enough for him to suck the life out of her yet! You are NOT pathetic.. You are LOSER FREE! He is still busy convincing her he is wonderful. My exN bought things for me.. For my daughter.. the whole 5 years we were together.. Means nothing! He can't hide his true colors forever!!
he is not only
May 16, 2012 - 6:39pm — neverlookbackusing her but now her children as enablers - kissy kissy notes, isnt that all special and sweet - he is a piece of shit who cares what he is doing with this woman - shit will always be shit - disordered's will always be disordered's - her days are numbered just like all the rest - the permanency of his disorder will prove that x0x0
I would have fired the
May 16, 2012 - 6:21pm — OpheliaI would have fired the cleaning lady on the spot and told her never to come back. You're a stronger woman than I, LF.
Healing from a Narc experience takes time, a long time, even when we are feeling stronger, the wounds aren't that far below the surface. You lived through a long time of psychological torture and recovery is slow. Someone coming along and rubbing salt in those very wounds gouges them right open again which can be extremely painful, naturally! It doesn't mean you don't get what a loser he is, not at all. You are recovering, someone has just pulled back some of the skin that was growing over, and it hurts like hell. But you WILL continue to heal! Just keep coming here for your emergency first aid!
xo
Ophelia
Thanks Ophelia for your
May 16, 2012 - 6:54pm — LoserFreeThanks Ophelia for your awesome analogy. You really helped me realize that those open wounds will scab over again and I will continue to heal. But this time I know what a bastard he is so the healing might not be as painful. Just a minor scrape off the surface.
It's comforting to know when I come to THIS emergency room I don't have to sit in the waiting room for hours waiting to be treated!!!
Love
Loserfree
Hey LoserFree
May 16, 2012 - 6:00pm — BtrflyGrlI hate days like that, you can borrow my shoulder. First thing I would do is get a new maid. Everytime you see her you are just going to think about her intimate knowledge of his life and even have the energy from his home brought into yours. Ewwww.
You can't just erase your whole life with him overnight. I am so angry for your situation right now, I know it is torture. Please try and be kind to yourself. I had a dr. appt. today and took a back route home. Suddenly I realized I was driving by OW's house. I started to panic and thought I was going to see his car, or worse him. I don't even know how I know it was her house...I can't explain it. I started obsessing, thinking he probably was moving in or buying her a ring, or....
Then I had to remind myself that it wasn't about his lying freak ass or her (next victim)anymore. I wanted to cry but I just couldn't. This round, this next phase in our lives is about us. She is not better off. You are! Try and remember that.
Take Care of You.
Hugs - BtrflyGrl
BtrflyGrl I read both of your
May 16, 2012 - 6:37pm — LoserFreeBtrflyGrl I read both of your replies. Thank you so much for lending your shoulder and for caring about me!
I don't want him but yet I continue crying over his new life. It makes no sense at all. I should be jumping up and down that she is doing a great job sucking his ass (not literally) so he won't be back to bother me!! She deserves a thank you note, flowers and a box of candy from me. But I must be so messed up that I can't grasp the reality that this is in fact a good thing for me.
He is a cancer that started in my heart and has metastasized to my brain!! My brain is all f*d up because I didn't get the chemo I needed long ago.
Tired of being a sad soul wasting away another day on the Piss Ant Loser
xoxo
Loserfree
No candy. Get her a sympathy
May 16, 2012 - 6:48pm — beautifulmessNo candy. Get her a sympathy card.. She's going to need it!
beautifulness do I send the
May 16, 2012 - 7:06pm — LoserFreebeautifulness do I send the thank you note first... I just want to know what's proper etiquette. LOL!!
And thank you for reaching out to me!! It means a lot when you are hurting!!
Loserfree
I'm sick of it too!
May 16, 2012 - 6:46pm — BtrflyGrlYou are not alone. My brain is totally fried. I'm only half sane because I think I'm blocking stuff out in a self preservation mode. It comes and goes.
But I was thinking the other day about all the "new" things my ExN is doing the NS that he didn't do with me. He is just mirroring her so she falls into his trap.
I don't remember when it came to me (it was before we split) I was thinking how weird it was that he just happened to like everything I liked. Music, politics, spirituality, chick flicks (really?)etc. etc. He just told me everything he thought I wanted to hear. All lies. Total idiot!
Goldie wrote a great blog..
May 16, 2012 - 5:09pm — HunterGoldie wrote a great blog.. I'm trying to find it but I'm on my phone.,
They move from family to have .. They hurt and destroy..
In fact your post triggered me.. I used to write my narc I love you noted and hidd them in his pocket or shoes what ever . He pretended to love that..
He will destroy her in due time. It's all smoke and mirrors .,
Be strong .. Read the blogs
Hunter
Love Notes
May 16, 2012 - 6:17pm — BtrflyGrlTriggered as well. I remember something that happened early on in our relationship, that I never forgot and never got over.
His first trip away after every day for like 6 months together. I snuck a little love note in his work bandana inside his luggage.
He never mentioned it. I know he got it. Smug bastard.
He just chose to ignore it. That stung then really bad, why did I suck it up for 3 more years?
Then toward the end I found a love note from my ExBF. It was so sweet, tucked away in a decorative teapot I had on the fridge. My ex had put it there for me to find later. When I found it I wanted to cry. I showed ExN and he says to me...It's just a grocery list...Trying to crush and ruin the sweetness of somebody else. Sick Pig.
Thank you for reminding me
May 16, 2012 - 5:16pm — LoserFreeThank you for reminding me that even when it looks so perfect "It's all smoke and mirrors"
I don't know what you meant by "They move from family to have.. They hurt and destroy.."
Interesting that you think your exN pretended to love your notes. Inside they probably think it's annoying as hell.
I would appreciate it if you could Goldie's blog when you have the time.
Loserfree
loserfree
May 16, 2012 - 5:22pm — fallingfowardhttp://www.lisaescott.com/2012/04/20/hindsight-2020-protect-yourself-and...
I think this might be the one Hunter talking about. Sorry your hurting so bad. It's a lie, what he's doing, he's not capable of loving anyone.
hugs
ff
That's it and it's good one..
May 16, 2012 - 5:29pm — HunterThat's it and it's good one.. Print it out ..
Hunter
Ya Hunter I just finished
May 16, 2012 - 5:51pm — LoserFreeYa Hunter I just finished reading the post.
They are SICK BASTARDS!!!!! Among other things
And it's so true. He sucked the life out of me and my 2 children. Now he has a new host family. But once they are hooked all the gift giving will cease and PAYBACK TIME for them
Loserfree
Thanks ff I appreciate you
May 16, 2012 - 5:25pm — LoserFreeThanks ff I appreciate you taking the time to look that up for me!!
And also for your kind words
Hugs to you too
Loserfree