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I had been NC since last Friday. Unfortunately for me I picked up the phone yesterday. I did so because My 14 yr old was with him at the time and I was waiting for him to bring her home. Big mistake! He immediately went into a tirade of how I have no telling him what to do thru her. I reminded him that this is in fact what HE does all the time. Case in point, because he writes a support check (after over 4 months of not) he tells her to get lunch money from me and will not be making any meals for her. I told him he was a deadbeat. Probably not the smartest thing but I said it. He went on to say that sincce he is paying I should take care of everything. I told him ok that is fine I would rather have her eat dinner with me every day. Then he went on that "he took care of me for 36 years and how I sucked him dry etc etc " He told me if I want the rest of my personal belongings I have to come when he is there. I informed him I didn't need his permission my name is on the deed. again prob not smart but can't take it back. He went on to say I contributed nothing and deserve nothing. He told me that I abandoned our family and should be entitiled to nothing and that be ready for a long expensive court battle. he even indicated that he was going to fight for the 14 yr old. This went on for 15 minutes why I stayed on the phone is beyond reality. He also accused me of wanting to go to the house to f" my boyfriend on his bed. ( I have no boyfriend and no desire to enter another realtionship) I finally hung up. He dropped my daughter off and then proceeded to call. I put my phone on silent then he called my daughter and she handed me the phone. He screamed into the phone "I would rather go to jail then give you another penny" I calmly said "oh thats nice and hung up. Later he called my daughter again asking her if she wanted to eat with him the next day. I had already planned dinner so I took the phone and told him I have no problem with Emily eating dinner with you but last minute changes will not be happening she will be eating with me as planned and Weds. if you would like her to eat with you that is fine. He acted like the previous arguemnet never happened.
Stop Right There!
May 15, 2012 - 11:27am — agnesmurphy17What he's said, it's all typical & they all say what he said. So, you've heard it. Never again listen.
I will tell you the most effective rules of the game.
1. Do not send messages through the child.
2. Open up a dedicated yahoo or gmail account. Only he has the address. ANd this is the only means YOU communicate with him. All information regards daughter goes via this account. NO DISCUSSIONS. No sentences which start with "I" -- no feelings or explanations. Just Subject verb object. "Daughter is going on school trip. X to Y date. The cost = xx. Make check out to y by xy date." If he refuses, tirades, etc -- do not respond. Ignore. DO NOT ENGAGE!!!!!
3. SInce this is a divorce & child custody battle (So he threatens), all communication via lawyers. He's discussing the terms of the divorce above. He shouldn't be doing that. And you should not listen.
4. If he calls, listen politely. If it is about him being 15 minutes late for the child--ok, thnx for calling, bye. If it's a harangue about anything else, hang up. DO NOT ENGAGE. You did well with the dinner thing on the phone. Keep up that tone.
I promise you, if you follow these rules, your life will be easier. Your divorce lawyer will be really impressed & thankful as well. All these harangue phone calls & harnague e-mails turn up in courtrooms, affidavits, motions -- everything comes out in a divorce. DOn't give him anything to manipulate. If all your e-mails are brief & objective & not personal, you can only come out a winner here. ANd your child will be happier with you because she does not see you all stressed out after having "engaged" with him. He's using the child.
Oh, & the "what's good for the goose is good for the gander" line. Haven't you learned yet -- WHat's N's is N's & what is your's is N's. Ns are entirely inconsistent. Rules are for other people. But they are entitled to do what the hell they want, when they want. What was wrong for you last week, will be right for them this week. They are TYRANTS -- no rhyme or reason, no method. They are random & chaotic. This is why the victims are traumatized. Everything is so random & inconsistent. The victim is out of control because the abuser makes up the rules & changes the rules without warning & then executes the punishment for a violation of the rule which the victim had no knowledge of.
Minimal contact, via e-mail, only with reference to objective necessities relating to the child. Everything else will be handled by the lawyer.
You are getting a divorce. He no longer owns you. He's losing control over you & money & he's freaking out. YOU have the upper hand because YOU have the child. ANd he's not happy. You don't have to listen to his crap anymore. You're finished.
update
May 17, 2012 - 5:00am — Pearl430I contacted my lawyer and he is sending N a letter calling him on his actions including the obesessive abusive phone calls. I was mixed about it but the lawyer I have represents alot of women in my situation so I am going to trust he knows what he is doing. He tempered it with giving him the pat on the back about actually coming thru with child support the last 2 weeks.
In the meantime I will wait for the ax to fall when he gets the letter which will be today or tomm. I am confident there will be a reaction and he will drag the kids into it. The kids are my sore spot, he has them convinced thru ,manipulation to feel sorry for him.
The letter is a good thing.
May 17, 2012 - 7:46am — abrevaThese ladies have good advice that will take you through this mess.
Do not interact with the man. Texts for late pickups.
I refuse to allow the EXNH-Psychopath near my home. We have exchanges at a public location when we can't do it at the kids' school. I've started having friends do it for me so that I never have to look at him. Much better.
Keep him away from you.
Do not listen to him ever.
Texts. Emails. As LC as possible.
The dedicated email account only for him is great - I do this and I have to resist checking it more than once per day. Once a day only is a rule of LC. It's hard.
You will be fine.
Yes yes yesAND keep a
May 16, 2012 - 1:51am — Im_always_fineYes yes yes
AND keep a journal of threats, contact, confrontations and dates and witnesses. Not your feelings about it...just the facts.
Example;
May 15 2012
2:15 ish pm
Showed up unannounced and uninvited/ was agitated upon arrival/Screamed and hollered in drive way for 20 minutes/threatened to bankrupt me through lengthy divorce/accused me of "fucking" the football coach/
My daughter and the next door neighbor Susan witness
Even little incidences should be recorded...a hang up call...not showing up...changing plans without informing you. It establishes a PATTERN of abuse. Here in Canada these journals carry tremendous weight in family court.
Quite honestly...if you have to record his tirades...then do. And enter the transcripts into court. That's what I did with a psycho woman who was harassing me. She would phone me a SCREAM obscenities so I got a recorder from Spy vs Spy. She LIED LIED LIED in her affidavits....had others lie in affidavits for her My recordings proved them all liars.
Also if he's bombarding you with calls...like 10 or 15 in row press *57 EVERYTIME after you hang up. It traces the call and records the time date and source of the call with the telephone company. You can sopena the records.
thanks
May 16, 2012 - 9:43am — Pearl430All good advice. I did send an email to my lawyer stating all of this. on Mother's Day he called me 5 times and my daughter 8 times.
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May 16, 2012 - 12:49pm — Im_always_finehttp://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=301389689946006&id=1148...
A little advice from someone who beat a NARC.
THANKS
May 15, 2012 - 2:14pm — Pearl430All good advice. One problem is my 22 and 24 year old complaining that I can't ignore their father etc. add when I don't answer he calls the 14 yr old and she gives me the phone. It is hard to sheild her and have no contact. he also calls the oldest and complains then she in turn at times calls me. I am at wit's end
pearl430
May 16, 2012 - 9:51am — UsedOne problem is my 22 and 24 year old complaining that I can't ignore their father etc.
Your 22 and 24 year olds shouldn't be giving you orders and you certainly shouldn't be taking them...
and your 14 year old....tell her yes she can talk to her dad...But you dont want to, so not to pass you the phone....
I think your bounderies have become somewhat blurred...
You are the mother here...they are not...
agreed
May 21, 2012 - 3:00am — Pearl430In my stronger moments I can stand up to this and reinforce those boundaries but not all my momets are strong.
Ok.. This is a problem You
May 15, 2012 - 7:42am — HunterOk.. This is a problem
You need to go your attorney and put a plan together..
THIS IS NOT YOUR DAUGHTERS PROBLEM TO BE IN THE MIDDLE OF...
A 14 yr old girls should be allowed to be ..well.. A14 yr old girl..
Hunter
can relate
May 15, 2012 - 7:07am — wiserwomanI can totally relate to this account/phone call. I know it doesn't make you feel any better (not really) to hear that someone else is going through the same thing. But I am! Same crazy phone calls - you can't resist 'sticking up for yourself' because what they say is so ridiculous and subjective, it's almost impossible to bear listening to it....and then next day - nothing. Never happened. No, he didn't call you a slimy piece of shit. Not him, he's not crazy. And then superdad nice guy mode - sweet as pie. Big fake great guy act in front of the children. It's tiring, isn't it? So tiring. I feel for you. But - good recovery! Keep cutting him off. Good for you. I need to do the same.
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May 21, 2012 - 2:58am — Pearl430He recv'd the letter from my lawyer on Friday and left me a voice mail stating he got the letter and "you're a real sweetheart aren't you/" Next day our daughter goes to house for overnight like every Saturday and phonecalls start coming like always none of which I pick up but unfrtuneately he leaves voicemails that I listen to. Starts with something foolish and esculates into accusations that i must not care aboutour daughter and a bunch of other crap. Then he gets her to text me with the orginal foolish question. Next morning just like clock work early am phonecall from him which I ignore voice mail left then another one hour later all the while dauhgter is asleep this is his Sunday am pattern.
Lster I pick her up we go to a family function and he shows up. We are in a house full of people and I can feel his eyes on me. I ignore him but am exhausted.
I have kept documenting all calls. I am trying my best to stay as lowcontact aspossible considering we have 3 kids.
This is the dance that takes place every weekend.