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This is a hard question for me to ask, because no one wants to think a person in normal society would be capable of such things as poisoning someone they live with.
I know I was brainwashed into being sick for years, to keep my under control. I was told repeatedly how I could not possibly handle a job or whatever because of my health.
Now that he is gone, I am not sick any more. Go figure.
Yesterday I was thinking that even this idea does not shock me at this point. Why did I not call the police the minute I suspected it? So weird. Now I feel like it has been too long... but really - that would be attempted murder or something.
I don't know if he wanted to kill me or just keep me under control. I think the latter, but who knows in the long run.
Eww.
I'm sure he was capable of poisoning or sabatoging
May 16, 2012 - 7:41am — TruthbeginsTodayWe had 2 dogs and 2 cats. One dog was our baby for years and had some health issues which required medicine. HE VOLUNTEERED to care for her to prove he was trying to change and take some responsibilities off my hands.THe dog wasn't making improvement and was getting sicker. WE found out that he was saying he was giving her the meds but was NOT. He was caught several times. Our cat later had issues with using the litter box..we found a solution to add which made it successful. He VOLUNTEERED to be the one to clean litter and put additive in( again to prove he was taking on some responsibility. This cat was my sons "brother" and it was decided earlier that if we couldnt stop the problem that he would have to go. Oddly the problem returned and the cat stopped using the box. We kept trying for another few weeks asking if the N was putting the solution and additive in. He always said YES everyday. My son and I marked the bottles of the solution to see. HE was LYING. Bottom line, he wanted tha nimals gone but didn't want to look like HE was the bad guy. SICK!
I have more things that we finally caught him doing. SICK!!
My GP
May 15, 2012 - 3:33pm — sweetpeasarahtold me that stress causes physical symptoms of illness, the physical pain is real, even though it it caused by mental anxiety. Once the cause of the stress is eliminated mostly the physical symptoms go too. I think maybe thats why you feel better. These pigs are dispicable, they not only wreck your head they do over your whole being!
Stay strong hunx
Sick
May 15, 2012 - 3:44pm — EmmyNo doubt the stress being gone will help - when it is gone - lol. I think I feel MORE stress at this point in time.
I have some evidence that he was manipulating my prescribed drugs, at least. Sigh. Freaky monster.
thanx, sweetie
In my opinion this is where a
May 14, 2012 - 2:47am — gingercatIn my opinion this is where a narcissist crosses the line into psychopath. I thought this kind of stuff was only in the movies and then I encountered my best friends ExNPsycho. He liked to use the hidden tape recorder that he kept in his pocket and clicked on after he had baited her into a sobbing, crying, blabbering mess....Thank the Lord she discovered what he was doing, got his creepy a## out of her house and kept the tapes. They are now evidence against him, but for a very long time he tried to convince her she was the one in need of help...It's still not over though as he somehow listens in to her at home. It comes back through his interactions with their children all the time that he knows what she says and does. At first it was kind of funny because we thought he was such a dickish Sherlock Holmes wannabe but now it has crossed into scary stuff. I saw Tony Curtis on a preview for Boston Strangler the other night and all I could think of was this guy. PS He gave her a copy of the book for Christmas one year. Be careful out there.
waaah
May 15, 2012 - 3:05pm — EmmyYeah. Psychopathic Narcissist Freaky Bizzarro is his new name - PHFB lol
Definitely brainwashed, he
May 14, 2012 - 2:42am — RubyWooDefinitely brainwashed, he kept telling me I was putting on weight, I never exercised, I had to look after myself because I would end up really fat...
When we started living together I was a size 4, I gained a bit of weight because of contraception and then fell into depression and actually became a size 8. So what? Female bodies change all the time, I didn't deserve so much crap for it!
He even started criticising me and made me cry while having dinner with another couple I had only seen once before! (she is now divorced from a N herself and one of my best friends, and she still freaks out when she remembers the way he abused me that night!)
Now I'm alone I'm starting to lose weight again!
Weight
May 15, 2012 - 3:06pm — EmmyYeah - they pick on whatever you are sensitive about, sickos.
Good for you!
My health, both physical and
May 14, 2012 - 1:35am — dulcinea441My health, both physical and mental, deteriorated very badly under the N's influence. Narcs intentionally subject us to so much stress and abuse that it's almost impossible not to suffer from ill-health when we are with them.
Stress doesn't help
May 15, 2012 - 3:08pm — Emmyfor sure, stress hurts us all. I had lots of stress stuff. But I have stubborn physical issues that have magically disappeared since he has been gone...plus more proof.
Ya never know. ((hugs))
Yes
May 13, 2012 - 8:40pm — SadangelintearsMy health is better now he is gone I was very sick during both pregancies(sp). Now he is gone it has got better med free for 2 months. LOL @ him calling me a psychopath and telling me I was crazy
Yes and Yes
May 13, 2012 - 7:34pm — abrevaYes.
Munchausen By Proxy??
May 13, 2012 - 6:29pm — uncomfortablynumbSounds like that's what you're talking about...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%BCnchausen_syndrome_by_proxy
Or are you talking about the impact of having the life sucked out of you, and being sick as a result of the highs and lows and hormone imbalance due to the adrenaline, all that brain chemical stuff...because I was Crohn's free for over 11 years and while all the D&D stuff was going on and the rollercoaster and the emotional exahstion I started losing weight...when he finally dumped me I was losing more and was starting to remind myself of the "sick days"...then I found out my disease is back. Trying to gain back the weight and taking my meds religiously...it will be interesting to see if my letting go of this for once and for all will result in getting better and my once-ample booty returning.
Wow, I have Crohn's too, was
May 16, 2012 - 1:23pm — redWow, I have Crohn's too, was diagnosed 12 yeats ago and have had 2 operations.
When we were first together he took me to every hospital appointment.
He took all day off work, phoned his secretary infront of me telling her to cancel all appointments, reschedule meetings, to forward all calls he was not be be bothered at all as he was taking me to the hospital.
Wow, how special was I? how wonderful to have someone to hold my hand.
My last check up was one month ago. Completely different story. He said he'd come with me, but on the actual day, when I hadn't heard from him and it was almost time to leave, I phoned him.
'Ah, no sorry Red, I forgot, and anyway can't come now, I have a really important meeting that can't be cancelled'
Huh!!! How easy and quickly he went from knight in shining amour to slimy, ugly toad.
My Crohn's really played up during the D&D phases. I'm sure the stress of not understanding wasn't helping me.
What a rat.
Munchausen By Proxy
May 13, 2012 - 7:52pm — EmmyYes, that has crossed my mind more than once. I saw it as part of Histrionic Personality Disorder once, but I cannot find anyone talking about this as part of spousal abuse.
I think he quite literally raised and lowered my medications (capsules) to keep me off-balance, stressed, and nuts.
In Munchausen By Proxy, the person is usually trying to get attention for being the one "suffering" at being such a loving caregiver. The classic example is a freak mom who makes a child sick in order to be at the center of attention.
I am not sure if this was about my husband getting attention OR just keeping me controlled.
I do know now that he would tell people about how sick I was all the time (with various stories, oddly). I don't think he was planning to kill me...but really, who knows in the long term plans of a NPD person with maybe a Borderline something else Personality issue too?
Ick, sick - I know. I need to know how many others like me have been afraid to speak out.
Could be that Narc people seek out those with chronic health problems? Sure made it easy for him to make me believe my mild problems were getting "worse" over time.
Thanks.
We are not talking about Munchausen by proxy syndrome here
May 14, 2012 - 2:17am — goldieThis is not what you are describing. You are describing a manipulator trying to keep you down for their own sick purposes. MSP has an entirely different set of criteria.
God bless,
Goldie
Yeah, Goldie
May 15, 2012 - 3:12pm — EmmyAbsolutely for his own sick purposes. Thanks for the input. For whatever reason, he was happy with me sick and out of the way. Gee, he coulda just asked (ha -weak joke).
I have gotten so used to the thought that I forget sometimes how horrifying it sounds. I wonder how many of us are afraid to speak up. I think it is much more common than is known.
((hugs)) -- Emmy
I honestly went the longest
May 13, 2012 - 6:30pm — uncomfortablynumbI honestly went the longest time dismissing my weight loss to the "breakup diet.."
I suspect
May 13, 2012 - 6:18pm — SundaySmilea supplement he added to my food caused me to become unbelievably manic off the wall. I have taken this supplement before when I had bought it. No problem. When he brought his own and put it in my food - I was so off the chain I was terrified. The next day I was horridly weepy and felt hungover.
Have tried the supplement again since - bought it alone - no reaction to it.
Suspect/SundaySmile
May 13, 2012 - 7:55pm — EmmyYeah. His supplement was maybe some medicine from someone's medicine cabinet? I have also suspected I was given the medicine the vet gave our pet.
I cannot believe we can't get these men thrown in jail. It makes me -- sick. (ha)
((hugs))
-Emmy
Emmy
May 18, 2012 - 12:11am — SundaySmileHe is in a field where people look to him and trust him for supplements. It is the backbone of his livelihood - sort of a mantra.
I have never had such an off the wall reaction to something as benign as nutritional organic supplement. It is sold in bulk. I have had it before. And after this occasion. This single time he brought it and put it on my food - the reaction happened within 15 minutes of ingestion. I am still shocked at how it affected me.
Who knows what was in it.
There are many PD's in jail
May 14, 2012 - 2:11am — goldieYour basic psychopath lie's, steals, and cheats with no conscience about any of it so, why wouldn't they slip you a roofie if it suits their needs. This is why we stress over and over to read the BLOGS and STEPS.
WE need to WAKE UP and STOP making excuses for their bahaviors. THEY DON't GIVE A SHIT ABOUT US and it IS ALL ABOUT THEM.
IT really is that SIMPLE.
If you are in the way by QUESTIONING them or EXPECTING something, like NORMAL HUMAN behavior, they shut you up. In whatever way they can. LIES, MANIPULATION, GASLIGHTING, INSULTS, ST, DRUGS. They don't give a shit what, just so long as YOU COMPLY and SHUT UP about whatever it is that you want then to do.
IT really is that SIMPLE.
They are FAKE with us. They are whoever they think we want them to be in the honeymoon stage and then, all bets are off. If you comply, then good. If you do not them they screw with you.
They are the puppet master and you are the puppet.
It really is that SIMPLE.
WE complicate this, it is not complicated AT ALL TO THEM.
It is real simple with them, say and do whatever you need to in order to get what you want.
They are 2 bit CONMEN.
When all of the enablers go away, they generally fall flat on their faces.
If you THINK you are being gaslighted or played with by someone, you most likely are. We get these vibes for a reason.
Like so many on here have said, they are the devils spawn.
God bless,
Goldie
I agree
May 16, 2012 - 12:31am — SundaySmileIt is not complicated. It is bassackwards and alarming when a person is not used to it. Snakeoil salesman comes to mind. Seeing it is often so very hard to believe. Smooth criminal. Much more aware now.
Well Said
May 15, 2012 - 3:16pm — EmmyI may have to make this into a wall-hanging:
"If you are in the way by QUESTIONING them or EXPECTING something, like NORMAL HUMAN behavior, they shut you up. In whatever way they can. LIES, MANIPULATION, GASLIGHTING, INSULTS, ST, DRUGS. They don't give a shit what, just so long as YOU COMPLY and SHUT UP about whatever it is that you want then to do."
SO well said. Ugh. Vomit. Unfathomable, but true.
I was just about to ask how someone could keep this up for years and then I thought "BY DRUGGING SOMEONE so she can't see what is happening." ACK
WOah. *Light bulb goes on*
which is why
May 16, 2012 - 12:28am — SundaySmileI was under his spell. I stopped eating at his house. He was always trying to feed me - literally with a spoon or fork. I told him I don't like to be fed like a 2 yr old. He kept it up.
Food was a huge preoccupation and total obsession for him. I got to the point of paranoia in eating around him. Lucky for me in a way. I wonder how many times shit was slipped into my food. All I know is the one time with the yeast. I will never forget how drugged I felt. It was unreal.
You are right. Drugging can be part of the plan for some of these psychos.
Drugging to control
May 16, 2012 - 4:04am — EmmyYeah. And I have been VERY verbal to anyone who will listen about what has happened to me, but even the closest family and friends recoil at the mention of him drugging me or messing with my medications.
WHY? Why would they feel bad about drugging ("that would be crossing the line") if they are willing to make us think we are nuts in other ways?? No good reason they would.
Glad you got free, too!!
I'm so sorry Emmy, I wonder
May 13, 2012 - 3:20pm — KalorliI'm so sorry Emmy, I wonder about this sometimes myself. Without proof, I'm left wondering. I'm trying to focus on what I do know happened, know for sure and there's enough of that all by itself! It wouldn't surprise me either though.
Mine wanted me sick, said he loved taking care of me but he was only building me back up so he could knock me down again.
He got me to feeling so crazed at one point, I told him I was going to check myself into the hospital that I must be losing my mind! His reply, "Okay, just as long as you're aware, I'll be selling the house while you're in there. I have to, do you know how much that shit costs?!! A@#hole!!
Sick.
May 13, 2012 - 3:29pm — EmmyWow. Mine offered to drive me to the mental hospital. I almost went.
I wonder how many "chronically ill" women are really being poisoned or having their medications manipulated?
Sick jerks.
Brainwashed for sure. I was
May 13, 2012 - 3:07pm — BtrflyGrlBrainwashed for sure. I was told I was too stressed, depressed,etc. to carry on in my work. He would take care of me. I was one inch from falling for it. Then where would I be? Mind-fuckers period. Sorry hun.
More sick.
May 13, 2012 - 3:31pm — EmmyMan. This has to be illegal on some level. Making someone think they are very, very sick? I remember bad stomach pains, headaches, feeling dizzy.
Without my kids confirming it was NOT ME who was twisted, I am not sure I would be alive or free. Amazing.
Thanks, sweetie.
((hugs))
- Emmy
Hair Testing?
May 13, 2012 - 7:57pm — EmmySomeone suggested I have my hair tested to see what I have been exposed to. Not a bad idea. If you think your husband has been poisoning you, don't cut your hair! Gack.
Yes
May 13, 2012 - 8:31pm — TruthbeginsTodayHe would never want to do anything. But the last 3 years he refused to let me make my own coffee. He would get up really early so it was made before I got up.I begged him to let me make it...it made no sense. I kept saying how awful it tasted and he called me ungrateful B. Every morning he would give me a cup and ask.. How is it? I was afraid to say...but it was always awful. After awhile I quit drinking it and waited for him to leave and then made a new pot. I got really sick during this period of time and for 3 years after he left. I'm still not well.
I never thought about it until the end of our relationship. I'd always figured it was just a control issue.
Now I wonder
holy
May 16, 2012 - 12:30am — SundaySmileS***. This many women here who suspect they were drugged. I thought I was nuts for even thinking it. Shaking head
lol
May 16, 2012 - 4:05am — EmmyApparently we are all nuts. ha. No, really - everyone is afraid to say this OR think it!
TruthbeginsToday/coffee
May 15, 2012 - 3:18pm — EmmyI would bet a million dollars on this one. OMGosh. Mine messed with the coffee a lot too and got mad if I said anything about it tasting odd.