Register and join our discussion in the Message Board
cchick001 got me thinking today what consummate liars these 'NarcoPaths' are- and I say this with a little bit of envy. I am a HORRIBLE liar and I'm a terrible poker player as well. What's the opposite of a 'poker face'? Well, I've got it.
We were posting on her thread about how the Narc tries to impress. Like they say they're Bradley Cooper's body double, when in reality, they look more like Gary Bussey's mug shot.
Anyway, my thoughts wandered to some of Ex-Narc-Robo-Boy's more OUTRAGEOUS lies and how I managed to smooth them over...
There are SO MANY LIES to choose from but I'll share one. Please feel free to share one of your Ex's WHOPPER LIES below!
One evening, at his place, I was looking at a framed 'diploma' on his wall. I was standing close to it- trying to decipher the writing on it. It looked to be a bad COPY of a diploma. It was just too bizarre. I mean, who would bother to FRAME and DISPLAY a POOR copy of anything?
I think he noticed that I was scrutinizing the document because the next time I was in his home, it was gone! Curious.
Also curious was how I 'normalized' that event in my head.
Anyone else care to share a particularly outrageous LIE or two? I know there are TOO MANY to choose from but you JUST have to have a favorite!
p.s. He's a preacher (and by extension, a counselor) so it's rather important that he be credentialed!
Lies
May 22, 2012 - 7:15am — TruthbeginsTodayI was going to try to select a few lies to post here and read those that were already posted and I began to feel sick because I recall that it was ALL the time, sometimes i could see a reason...others made no sense. For example, he said he hated nuts, hated them in his cookies and banana bread but when we went to parties they were available to eat HE CHOSE them instead of other choices. He bought cookies with nuts. It made no sense. He lied about what he had for breakfast for no reason.He lied and said he couldn't use his cell at work but yet he called me often..I just couldn't call him.He lied about not putting mail out in the box. He hid it in his car. He was NOT reliable in deed or word. THERE was nothing to trust or count on.
IT WAS confusing and EXHAUSTING!
It was ALL the time and OFTEN his lies had no apparent reason. I know it was SICK and meant to control, mislead, confuse, gaslight or WHATEVER sick reason he had..he often blamed me for his lies.
ALL I know now is that he seemed fine and I became EXHAUSTED trying to keep up and argue and how often I thought maybe I'm being too picky. I learned to accept less and less. It's so sad looking back. I really began to think I...ME...needed to just not see and not say anything....but it still frightened and confused me.
The worst ones were the ones that I believed and acted on...
What I learned is...NOTHING good comes from acting on a LIE.
TRUTH is easy and light....LIES are HEAVY and exhausting
I didn't always know it at the time but found out later.... IT was exhausting.
On the lighter side:
He said he looked like TOM CRUISE ( he looked nothing like him,) IT was WEIRD.
He claimed he was an Eagle scout as a kid but couldn't light a fire after I showed him how and bought him all the latest firestarter products. I know now that he JUST DIDN"T WANT TO...because I loved the fires outdoors. BUT in front of others...it was funny and pathetic.
My son and I spent an entire summer trying to teach him how to grill. He never did learn. We gave up. We started with Burgers and dogs. WE had felt sorry for him because he was so jealous of the other guys and their grilling skills and he kept not wanting to go to Grill outs...Also he used his ole BS...poor him as he had a bad father and his father never showed him how to DO anything. This was his "GO to" excuse for Not being able to DO work...couldn't learn how to use a weed whacker etc. Control? attention? other motive? who knows...I"M tired of trying to understand..I'm out NOW. All Iknow is that my son and I did a loving thing.....based on a lie and he got angry and never learned how to grill a burger on his own. BS!!
IT WAS ALL SO EXHAUSTING!!
Sorry that this all came out...I could write for days...but I get sick to my stomach and my head hurts when I recall too much...and then I cry when I think of how much I lived with...and without.
tom cruise's doppelgänger
May 22, 2012 - 11:27pm — no more an echoTruthbeginsToday,
It IS so very baffling and EXHAUSTING to be with a Narc! They even lie when it would be easier to tell the truth...
Oh well, they'll do anything to create the high drama and keep us off balance, (and cover their Royal Hiney) right?
I'm laughing at the whole Eagle Scout and the Tom Cruise look-alike thing. Are you in a place yet that you can chuckle along with me?
They really are so friggin' SHAMELESS and outrageous! And they're so disordered that they don't even realize how over the top bizarro they are!
Exhausting
May 22, 2012 - 8:50pm — Reason2Believethat is exactly what it is..F'N EXHAUSTING! Funny, but I was telling a client about one of Wanna B's stupid episodes. Her reply "My God, he sounds exhausting. Why are you with him? Don't you have enough on your plate without that nonsense?"
And yes, I too, get sick to my stomach when I think of what I was settling for. CRUMBS at best. And more importantly: WHY??????
Ugh. All are sewer rat shit.
Hugs,
Reason
My dear Reason2Believe,
May 22, 2012 - 11:30pm — no more an echoMy dear Reason2Believe,
You INSULT sewer rat sh*t!
No More
May 23, 2012 - 8:27pm — Reason2BelieveI stand corrected and apologize to all sewer rats! LOL!
Eagle scout
May 22, 2012 - 7:22am — TruthbeginsTodayI forgot to add....he got busted with the Eagle scout claim. We were at his moms house and my son brought it up and it was NOT true. When he moved out I found a box of scout stuff but it belonged to some other kid. He had stolen some kids awards, pins etc. and kept them all his life. CREEPY and sick.
He had told everyone his childhood EAGLE SCOUT story and it was a LIE.
My very favorite lie:"Sorry
May 22, 2012 - 12:59am — SkinnyBuffaloMy very favorite lie:
"Sorry babe, I know you have been trying to get ahold of me. My car battery died this morning and I was late for school. I don't know how I'm going to pay for a new one. I hope I don't fail my class because of it. You know that teacher is so unreasonable. Anyway, I guess I left my cell phone under the hood and drove with it like that all day which is why you couldn't reach me. I've looked everywhere but I decided to go check under the hood just now, and there it was! (While he was fucking the OW all day in the apartment I paid for.)
Others:
I'm studying to be a Nurse Anesthetist (while he couldn't pronounce it or have the GPA to get into nursing school).
I'm down to crumbs in my bank account. (Nope. 4k)
I deleted all my online dating accounts.
so, so many...
May 22, 2012 - 12:02am — lessonlearneda few outrageous ones:
"i'm going to counseling to learn how to become a better person." (nope. total lie. but he pretended to have appointments at the same time every week while hoovering in an attempt to get me back)
"i was fishing & ran into some guys from chicago. we got to drinking & then i decided to sleep in my car. no reception on the cell." (nope. he was fucking the OW)
"i graduated from ___ college, but my sister's such a lying ass. she went for years & never graduated." (nope. never finished his degree, but his sister did!)
"i'm a private pilot employed by the ___ royal family. i fly them around the world." (nope. worked in a cubicle answering phones)
just a small selection :)
So many!
May 21, 2012 - 10:28pm — JenypheroOh, this will be fun to let it out.
Let's see, where to begin?
My son got a $50 pre-paid credit card for his birthday. NP knew where it was kept. The kids and I went to Disneyland a few days later and my son wanted to buy a souvenier with his own money. I went to pull out his card and it was gone. Gut instinct alarm bells went off and I immediately thought of NP. He hadn't given me any reason to think this, so I don't know why, but I followed my gut and asked him. He flew into a rage that I would accuse him of such a thing. Then I KNEW I was right. After hammering him with questions, the truth came out, and OF COURSE it was for a good reason. His kids needed food and their mother didn't have any money, blah, blah....I never told my son what happened. His heart would have been broken and I wasn't going to let NP to that to him.
Then there was the time we went to Vegas. I fell asleep and woke up missing $200 cash. "Oh, don't you remember. You lost it at the craps table last night?" Um. No. I WON it at the craps table. Turns out he took it and lost it all after I was asleep.
Here's the best. It wasn't a lie to me, it was to his employer. He was called in to the office and handed the employee manual where sexual harassment was highlighted. He couldn't just let it go, though, and wrote a two page letter claiming to have a "high reputation" in the legal field (he got his AAS in paralegal studies and was fired from 3 different paralegal positions in a year) and to even be ACCUSED of such an action would do damage to his character and reputation. He's a "member of the county Bar association" and "volunteers with free legal aid" throughout the county. All lies. Needless to say, he was fired for sleeping with his co-worker a week later (which of course, he told me he had no idea why they let him go).
So many. Why do they lie so much? Especially to people who are going to catch them sooner or later? I mean, if I were going to lie I'd make sure to cover all my bases better!
I really don't know
May 21, 2012 - 9:17pm — Reason2Believenow, in retrospect, what was the truth and what were lies. Just thinking of it makes me even sadder and angrier. I know he lied to his mother about going on vacation (he always said he didn't want to worry her about his being away). Now I find out from his mother that he stole over $30,000.00 from her and has no intention of paying her back. So, now it makes sense that he did not want her to know that he had some $$ to go on vacation, but not repay his debt.
The lie which the most eerie, was the one told to his boss when he was late to work one day. (he did not pay $25.00 traffic ticket, got pulled over one night for a tail light which was out, and got tossed in jail for the night. Yes, I bailed him out in the morning...so he was late for work)
Wanna B told the boss he had to go and see his sick father in the hospital. (not true)
His father passed away unexpectedly the next day. (true)
How much did he lie to me? I don't know, I just don't know.
Ironically one of the songs he wrote is titled "Little Lies".
Oh, this all makes me sick.
Reason
I cant
May 21, 2012 - 8:44pm — neverlookbackeven pick one that is better than the other - called him wondering where he was at 2 in the morning, said he was vaccuming and didnt hear the phone ring - lol and whats even funnier is I BELIEVED IT - told me he had to run home forgot to give one of his dogs a pill - ya right - gosh lets see what else he lied about - EVERYTHING from the moment we were first together until the very very bitter end- every single word, term of endearment, confessions of love ALL F---ING LIES - he even lied to himself - he even lied to his dogs, anything that was breathing he LIED TO, he even lied to his plants. He lied to every single human being he ever interacted with - he even lied to his penis - the man was a walking lying machine - oh I did I forget to tell you his whole life was a lie?
"the man was a walking lying machine "
May 22, 2012 - 11:24am — no more an echoHahahahaha! An evil cyborg...Phasers set on 'LIE & deceive'!
Too funny, neverlookback!
Yes he was a 'lying machine' but I believed his crap. Everything about him was SO VERY UNREAL! I was left, after EVERY encounter with him, somewhere between slightly uneasy to totally baffled and confused- lost in the chaos. And every point in between the two.
He NEEDED his lies to get the upper hand. To keep me off balance- a smokescreen, a CURTAIN surrounding the 'little man' controlling the levers to 'The Great and Powerful Oz'!
At times it is still painful to realize that every little kiss and whispered 'sweet nothing' was just part of his manipulative ploy. A game to make him feel like the supreme master in his universe.
Sick F*%KER. Aren't they all?
So many lies and I forced myself to believe were true
May 21, 2012 - 7:29pm — NoMoreFreakBoyHere is a list of the lies my narc said to me:
You are the only one I have at my place.
Her? Oh we just talk. She asks me questions. She looks like she belongs in a biker bar. I am
Helping her to be more feminine, like you my sexy Mami
She asked me to go out with her and her friends...I am too old for that. All Lisa and her
Friends do is sit in their cars and smoke pot.
Why are you jealous of her? She is white trailer trash and has nothing on you
I was really sick. I had a tumor in back of my head. I knew a doctor at the VA hospital where
I worked and he did experimental, top secret procedure on me. I was put in a coma and I lay
In a vat of fluid for 8 months. No one knew where I was except my daughter. Every so often
They send a car for me to take me in for follow up testing. It is top secret.
I was in the boy band Menudo. See this is me on the cover when i was younger. We had
A reunion concert and they flew me n my kids there. My kids didn't know I was in the group.
I left them in the audience and they took me by helicopter to the stage. When I came out on
My girls couldn't believe it and the crowd was going nuts.
I worked with this guy who copied someone else's resume to get the job at Macy's (it was him)
I go to New Jersey every weekend to my cousins to swim in their pool.
My friend is sleeping with his GF and her mom , they don't know bout the other (it was him)
On Fathers Day I going to Michael Bolton concert with my daughter. She is an event planner
(he forgot he told me she was a student, not working)
"I wish you were here dancing with me..." (texted me from Aruba where he went with "daughter")
You can't have coffee in my office anymore because people are talking. (translation is
That you can't have coffee in my office anymore because I want sex in my office and since you won't do sex things at work, I have other coworkers who will have sex with me in my office, and the locker room, and the laundry room and in the maintenance building)
When I have time I will add some more. I got a good laugh doing this. Thanks
what a pack of lies!
May 23, 2012 - 12:07am — no more an echoMinnieMe,
Thanks- I got a good laugh, too! Narcs are so very BRAZEN that, fortunately for us, they go just way too far!
The NarcoPath knows that they can only put so much spackling compound on their cracking mask and then the jig is up!
Bye-bye NarcBoy. Go blow the smoke up your own ass!
here's another whopper...what the... what?
May 6, 2012 - 11:36pm — no more an echoI forgot one of my favorite lies Narc told- very outrageous:
Some time back I was sharing with a group of us about my recent experience of having my identity stolen.
Mr. NarcoPath had an uncanny ability to turn every conversation back at HIM. (Big red flag, huh?) So he cut in and went on a tirade about how someone had 'stolen' his identity, too.
Evidently, someone had posted him on dating websites using his name and, get this, HIS PHOTO, too... Hmmm. REALLY?
Are we (me and his congregants) that STUPID? It sounded to me as if he wanted to cover HIS ASS in the event that someone he knew might accidentally trip on his profile on dating sites.
Now that I know what a freakazoid-impostor he is...I bet he was covering his hiney over the fact that he had put himself out there on GAY and maybe some weird 'swinging' sites! I'm guessing here because I don't troll strange websites like that- but I BET he DID!
The more I unravel the train-wreck that is him, the more grateful I am that I am free of this sick, disordered fraud!
No more an echo, mine is
May 22, 2012 - 9:47pm — beautifulmessNo more an echo, mine is similar. Last year on my birthday ExN was camping, he called me at midnight SCREAMING at me that I had ruined him and his reputation. I was like what are you talking about? He said someone posted gay ads on craigslist with his cell phone nbr. Apparently when he was trying to post his ads the freak realized he forgot he left himself logged in to his email at home so I would have access to see it. So I guess his best defense was to accuse me? Not bad .. Accuse me so his family thinks I did that, no way to really expose him when he just accuses the nut wife. I told him "Look, you know damn well it wasn't me.. If it were me I would have at least been creative with the ad and posted it as lets play brokeback mountain in my tent!" Then he tried saying it was "identity theft" LMAO. seriously??? He blames everything on identity theft! Who would want his identity anyway? He has bad credit, no job..UGH!
brokeback mountain in my tent
May 23, 2012 - 12:32am — no more an echoYou ARE creative, beautifulmess : "brokeback mountain in my tent"...Hahahahaha!
And just to be clear, I have NO PROBLEM with gay men- when they are HONEST with who they are.
The problem here is the BAMBOOZLE- the fraud that the NarcoPath is. The deceptions, the tales he weaves, the lies he lives, the promises he tells that he has no intention of keeping, the double-life, the infidelities- all done with such a bizarre sense of entitlement!
I kinda got the feeling that I was Ex-RoboBoy's 'beard'- a cover for his homosexual tendencies. I don't know if he was gay or bi or just so immature and auto-erotic that he had a gay vibe. Did you get that feeling too? All our experiences here are so very similar that it's downright scary!
Hi nomoreanacho, I have
May 23, 2012 - 7:04am — beautifulmessHi nomoreanacho, I have nothing against gay people either, just don't want a dishonest bi/ gay husband. I have felt like a cover too.. I don't know what N is.. Prob bi, , may sound naive but I think when he posts this stuff it's to get emails and texts, I don't think he has enough courage to actually meet anyone.. YET, but I do think he is working up to it. First time I met him ( through a friend ) I asked if he was gay. Last few times I have seen him he seemed more feminine. Ohh well.. Lesson learned. Always trust your instincts.
Most outragous lie
May 2, 2012 - 8:58am — knighty20352 out of 10 condoms go missing. He accidentally threw them away. Hmmm... accidentally tore off two and inadvertantly threw them away... leaving the other eight. uhmm.. yea .. NO!
Pathological liar
May 2, 2012 - 8:51am — lilygirlI don't think he ever told the truth. After I caught him meeting up with 2 strangers for sex I told him he was a pathological liar. He laughed.
Lying & cheating, that's all they know.
Lily
Total Liar
May 21, 2012 - 9:01pm — BtrflyGrlMine would drive 60 miles every day of the week for "appointments" I asked him why he didn't schedule them all on the same day, you know save some gas.
He never could give me answer other than he liked to talk to people face to face (no doubt right so he could manipulate them easier)
Anyway, he changes his story a couple weeks later, he was going there every day to shop for a ring for me. The perfect ring. Ugh...Pig
My most *favorite* lie.
May 2, 2012 - 7:31am — FroglegsXN gave me an engagement ring for Christmas. People asked for two years if we'd set a date (sometimes in front of him) and I'd always reply that we had not, but we'd marry when the time was right. We went on a trip to the Caribbean (paradise) and XN got totally wasted. He exclaimed, quite loudly, that he loved his GF, but was never going to marry her. I was devastated. When we got back home I gave him the ring. He locked it away in his safe and stated with an evil smirk that we were never engaged to begin with, that it had all been in my head. UNBELIEVABLE!
But there is a happy ending, y'all. After we split up we tried to date again. I told him I wanted the ring back because it was mine. I let him know I couldn't stand the thought of him giving it to another woman. He was trying his darndest to please me then, so he gave it back. A few weeks later when the mask fell off again, I kicked him out of my life for good. That ring will come in handy should I ever need some cash for an emergency. ;-)
Would'nt
May 2, 2012 - 1:40am — sweetpeasarahknow where to start on this one...every time he opened his mouth a BIG FAT lie came out! lol
x
Isn't it funny how we are
May 2, 2012 - 12:41am — Lucky EscapeIsn't it funny how we are surprised in hindsight about the lies?
The biggest one mine told was that he loved me!!!
The one I fell for was when I found a picture of another woman on his phone - in his draft outbox addressed to his best friend, titled "this is a picture of Pam, should I stay or should I go?". When I confronted him he told me it was from the year before when we weren't together, he'd met her on a dating website - she meant nothing. We argued about it in front of our kids. He then told his children that it was actually a text FROM his best friend!!! I could never understand if it was from over a year before, why he had kept it. He said he had nothing to hide and I shouldn't be checking his phone, it's all about trust!!.
to this day I dont know the truth about that picture - but one thing I do know - I am LUCKY to be away from this sick individual and all his warped little games. The fact I checked his phone in the first place was a Red Flag that I had finally woken up to.....thank God!
Never stop listening to yourself - lesson learnt.
I 'm done with these high-maintenance men!
May 2, 2012 - 2:13am — no more an echoLucky Escape,
I really do not miss the warped little games, either. All the Ex-NarcoPaths in my life were always out to somehow 'teach me a lesson'.
They are also all so very stingy. Dispensing their little crumbs of affection as if it pains them so to part with anything. (And also expecting extreme gratitude on our part for said crumbs!)
All they do is take. Suck. Steal. Brag. Whine. Consume. Deceive.
I'm done with these high-maintenance men!
Ha yes!
May 2, 2012 - 2:25am — sweetpeasarahforgot about the extreme gratitude you have to show when they throw you a crumb!! I remember toad used to turn up at mine quite often, drunk, and would fall asleep by 7pm... i called him on it, saying, great company you are, asleep within an hour of getting here...his reply? 'well im here arent I, you should be grateful, and at least you know where i am' !!??!! F**king arrogant pig..jeez...
Jog on jerk....lol
Mine was always showing up drunk, or all worn out
May 2, 2012 - 4:11am — Trainwreck56from drinking and doing god knows what before our together nights!
GLAD THE FUCK IS GONE! No more ruined weekends, holidays and
ruining me!
When mine was drunk he was HELL, total hell, fight, fight,
fight, abuse, punishing me for god knows what!
ugh
TW
The Holiday Lie...
May 1, 2012 - 9:38pm — Loren12It was the week before Christmas, approximately 3 weeks after I had given birth to his son. He asked me to meet him at the mall because he wanted to buy me a gift but didn't want to buy something I didn't like, so he wanted me to pick out what I wanted. So, I packed up the baby and we met him at the mall. When we met up with him, he had a HUGE Gucci box wrapped and placed in a gift bag. I asked him who it was for and he said "Oh, it is for myself. I needed some fly gear for my skiing trip." Knowing how he loved designer clothing, I said "Ok" and let it go. Later that evening, while waiting for the sales associate to bring my size, I tried peeking into the bag. He immediately pulled it away from me saying "Why are you trying to look in it?" Puzzled, I said "Well, if it is for you, then why do you have a problem with me looking into the bag?" He stated "Well, actually, it's a gift for my mom." Confused I asked "Then why did you initially say it was for yourself if it was a gift for your mom?" He just stared at me and said nothing. When we arrived back at his house later, I couldn't help but stare at that bag. Seeing how much the sight of that gift bag bothered me and knowing how much I was bothered by his lie from earlier, he finally said "Baby, I wanted it to be a surprise but I see I can't hide anything from you. The bag is actually for you!" Shocked, I rushed to the bag, opened it and found a $2,000 Gucci purse. I was thrilled and believed it was his gift to me for giving him a child, thanking me for all I've done and his way of showing appreciation.
Now, generally speaking, whenever he went out to a store, if he ever came across an item he'd think I'd like to have, he'd take a picture of the item and send it to me. At that point in time in the relationship, I started questioning his "loyalty" to me. And the next day, he happened to leave his phone lying around. I picked it up and took a casual look at some of his text messages and lo and behold, I came across a picture of the very same purse he gave to me the night before...it was sent as a picture message to another woman!
What an Ass
May 21, 2012 - 9:13pm — BtrflyGrlI hope he had to end up buying two! What a total jerk!
Damn
May 1, 2012 - 10:55pm — ArmedTypical...I would share but there are too many lies. At least yours tried to cover, mine was way too cruel.
He is a hideous fraud of the highest order
May 2, 2012 - 12:29am — no more an echoYes. Far too many lies. Some of them are so outrageous, though, I thought that some here would want to share those over-the-top lies or ones that STILL make us shake our heads in disbelief!
Also, I think my Ex-Narc covered for at least 2 reasons. One, he was trying to impress me and two, he ALWAYS covered his hiney because he had a super-spiritual image to uphold.
He was as cruel as all 'NarcoPaths' are. If not crueler because his profession (preacher) gave him credibility and access to vulnerable and trusting people.
He is a hideous fraud of the highest order. Not a spiritual bone in his body- unless you consider demon possession 'spiritual!
Gucci Purse
May 2, 2012 - 12:05am — The Narcissists...Wow Loren12, your Narcopath was a prize! What a pathological liar. Unreal! He sounds just like my EXN. Mine never bought me a present, I had to pick it out myself too. He always feigned that he didn't want to choose something I wouldn't like. I think the truth is that he just couldn't be bothered to put any thought into anyone else ( unless it was some new & exciting source of 'supply') After a while I just didn't even want to go 'shopping' at the mall, or anywhere with him...He always scoped out everywhere we went and flirted with everything that looked female and willing...UGH! What a dumbass!
My EX is cousins with Pinnochio BC he lied about SO many things, even if they were unimportant. I think the worst lie was his reply to me asking if he had ever hit a woman or been accused of domestic violence? He feigned being slightly offended that I could ever ask him such a thing. Turns out, 2 years later... after he had gotten in one of his increasingly frequent rages & physically abused me...I found out from law enforcement & court records that he had been arrested and went to jail & trial for abuse & violence on more than one occasion and had 6 restraining orders against him in his past from other previous relationships.
women's perfume on the seatbelt
May 22, 2012 - 1:59am — dudetteof his car...
Whose perfume is it? I ask, ( very floral)
Mine - he responds....
I mean seriously???