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I was talking with a member on here and this is what was discussed.....
The question, "How do you get rid of the...What the hell just happened? phase?" "How does someone love you one day...discard you the next...move onto someone new as if you never existed?"
It's this question that keeps me stuck....
Ive learned on here that the answer is simple....
These people are not human...they are disordered!! Understanding the disorder is suppose to help us come to the reality that there is NOTHING WRONG WITH US and that we were NOT REJECTED BECAUSE WE WERENT GOOD ENOUGH!!!!! They are not normal...they appear to be in complete charge of themselves and happy but the truth is that they work constantly to mind fuck people to secure supply for themselves....that must be hard work for them, but they dont know any differently and do this with ease.
OK so with all that said....I KNOW all of this...my brain has got it!!!! BUT....how the hell do I get my heart to feel this....I KNOW Im a great companion...whos loving and caring and giving and funny etc. So why the hell does my heart hurt everytime I think of what he did to me?!?!? How do you get your heart to understand all this as your mind does?!?!?
Very Frustrating!!!!
janemarie
April 30, 2012 - 9:01am — onwithmylifewhat Goldie said is really wonderful, it takes a long time for the heart to realize what the head has already understood. You did love him him but as Goldie said they are different than us and we never created nor can we help heal who THEY are, emotionally disturbed people.in time your heart and head will become aligned.............there is nothing wronged in saying you love the man, we all did , it shows our full potential a humans, something they will never be able to do........
This is a great question Janemarie
April 30, 2012 - 8:21am — goldieSays it all for me. This is exactly what I struggled with as well. I got that he was a PD and highly disturbed. I got that I was used and sucked into his seedy world of sickness and manipulation. I got that he would never love me in a way which resembled anything healthy. I got that I could no longer consider him to be a part of my life on any level and that the relationship had been a farce.
Now what. I was still left with me. My heart, my feelings of love. What I felt was real regardless to what he felt. Just because he was playing me, hurting me, and the ultimate discard, STILL did not take away the fact that I had invested my time, life, and heart in him.
I tried the anger, hate, revenge, route. THAT did not work well for ME. I felt like the primary reason I was angry was because I was trying to find a way to GET RID of the tremendous hurt, pain, and longing for a DIFFERENT him feelings. I could only stay anger for a day or so and then I would go right back into my true real feelings.
This was a nightmare I thought. One day loving him and then the next day hating him, just so I would not have to feel the love anymore. THAT was way too painful and no way to live.
What I finally came to was: I did love him and I did not hate him. He is sick and this is NO reflection on ME. I did not cause or create this, it is him and it is what it is.
Acceptance.
I began to accept him for what he is and me for what I am. We are not the same; we are two different people. I no longer had to pretend that I did not once upon a time love him deeply.
The next thing which came to me as a natural result of acceptance, was:
Forgiveness.
I began to explore forgiveness of not only him for what he did and what he is, also me for having been sucked into this in the first place.
Believe it or not, it was easier to forgive him than myself. I felt the fool and my ego was bruised and I struggled with acceptance and forgiveness of myself more than anything else.
I am NOT the type of person who can go through my life with resentments and anger towards anyone for any length of time. It eats away at me and I don't like it. I need to find a way to put everything that happens to me in perspective so that I can move on from it.
The next thing that I found happening to me was forgiveness for my father. He was the chief culprit afterall. He was the one who set the stage in me for all the men who were to come after him. He taught me and trained me to settle for less and to allow myself to get into this, try to fix them, save them, cure them role.
I decided that I wanted to shed that role once and for all, basically that I wanted MYSELF back.
By accepting and forgiving my father, I was able to at LONG LAST realize that what my father did to me was NOT my fault and therefore what the N/P did was not my fault.
I was a sweet loving child who had a Dad who was sick and the damage done was something which I had been carrying with me my entire life.
The relationship with the Narc as bad as it was forced me to look hard and deep into MYSELF for the solutions and although this has not been an easy process, facing those old fears, in me, it has been a life changing for me.
I am not the same person I was before the Narc. I have a new understanding of myself and the world around me. I have taken off my rose colored glasses, become more real and balanced as a person. I no longer look to another to bring me hapiness. I fully grasp that our happiness comes from within ourselves and if someone else can share in this great and if not, it is o.k. and right to LET THEM GO.
I have Goldie back and perhaps for the first time in many years, since that little girl was turned into a people pleaser, caregiver, for people who never did or never will know how to love her as she loved them with her entire heart and soul.
I love this scene from the movie Adaptation. This is a dialog between the two main characters, twin brothers.
Charlie Kaufman: There was this time in high school. I was watching you out the library window. You were talking to Sarah Marsh.
Donald Kaufman: Oh, God. I was so in love with her.
Charlie Kaufman: I know. And you were flirting with her. And she was being really sweet to you.
Donald Kaufman: I remember that.
Charlie Kaufman: Then, when you walked away, she started making fun of you with Kim Canetti. And it was like they were laughing at *me*. You didn't know at all. You seemed so happy.
Donald Kaufman: I knew. I heard them.
Charlie Kaufman: How come you looked so happy?
Donald Kaufman: I loved Sarah, Charles. It was mine, that love. I owned it. Even Sarah didn't have the right to take it away. I can love whoever I want.
Charlie Kaufman: But she thought you were pathetic.
Donald Kaufman: That was her business, not mine. You are what you love, not what loves you. That's what I decided a long time ago.
Donald Kaufman: Whats up?
Charlie Kaufman: Thank you.
Donald Kaufman: For what?
God bless,
Goldie
This has been really hard for
April 29, 2012 - 8:41pm — dazedThis has been really hard for me too at times and oddly enough especially today. So your conversation with the other member here and what I have been thinking about are somewhat the same. I think that "what the hell happened feeling" comes because we have encountered behavior so different to us that it does not make sense and unfortunately never will. We try to make sense of it all the same and just relegating their behavior to "that's just who they are" is hard to do. It is trying to put some order into the disordered. Another component that I think plays a part, at least for me, is that this was the "relationship of our dreams", we were so in love AND we were abused (though I didn't realize it at the time). We were very tightly bound to these people and wanted this relationship above all others to succeed. Problems could be worked out, so we thought. We expect our N's to fight for this relationship as much as we do. But they don't and there is an additional hurt we have to endure.
But back to your point about getting your heart to understand. Well, I just remembered what my therapist told me last year: Feelings are unreliable. That is all. They make life wonderful and full of joy and of course sadness but what is in the heart is unreliable in terms of what is good for you. The best situation is when heart and head are in sync of course. Maybe all this is to say we need to be smarter about our lives and who we let in. Use our heads more. Not as romantic and emotional as we are used to but this is what we need to learn. I think though that if we wait for our hearts to catch up, we will be stuck, as you noted. So we need to plow ahead and assume the heart will catch up. Not a magic solution but I'm sure you never thought there would be one. Hope this helps at least a little bit for you and the other member.
Janemarie
April 29, 2012 - 6:02pm — neverlookbackhttp://youtu.be/tro2U-cezqo
because its just "BUSINESS" to them!!!! x0x0
janemarie
April 29, 2012 - 1:15pm — ruby01What is it that you are actually feeling?
Is it really heart break?
Most of the damage that is done to victims of these idiots is ego based.
You were more than likely witness to what this person is truly capable of once he dropped the act. Possibly more importantly you saw what he is incapable of, that being loving anything. You loved an illusion. The realization of that makes you question EVERYTHING you once believed in and causes you to begin to question others authenticity as well.
It rocks your world and causes mass confusion and self doubt.
I've heard it said that you can not truly love that which you do not fully understand.
Ironically, in this instance it's the opposite.
Once you do understand them, you can not love them.
Keep on your journey forward. There is always something positive that can be extracted from every experience in life.
xoxo,
Ruby
The heart doesn't need to
April 29, 2012 - 1:08pm — midnight7The heart doesn't need to understand. The head needs to completely, fully, acknowledge, stand back objectively and know what and who it dealt with - the rest then follows. If you're 'heart' doesn't understand it's because your head doesn't, it hasn't fully processed all. When I truly knew what the N was, an empty monster set on seek and destroy supply mode until he the day he dies, and that he could never change, ever - all love ended evaporated in an instant - and I loathed him. I ended the relationship with him that day and have never looked back.
Hi janemarie...
April 29, 2012 - 11:37am — aceoneladyFirst,thanks for writing this ,your feelings so well and clear...That's my problem too...what i am doing now(is been 3 years for me sinc D&D)WHEN I START TO QUESTION WHAT THE HELL HAPPENNED,i just say to myself that he is mentally ill,diseased and a soul raper...it was not personal,he is a criminal that does what he did to me to others too...his ex,his daughter,his grandchildren,co workers...once he told me:You think you are special,no you are not...That's what did shake me really awake...Now i also tell myself feel what you have to feel,stay NC and accept he is a psychopat...would i date Gacy or Bundy if i knew they were what they were?No i am sure not....
JM
April 29, 2012 - 11:32am — Janie53I just stumbled upon this in my reading and perhaps it is part of the missing 2% ~
Stay true!
My thoughts are with you!
xxxooo
Janie
Serenity - Accepting the things we cannot change
By Robert Burney
"One of the gifts that came to me early in my healing process was a little expression that helped me start changing my perspective. That expression was, "I don't have any problems - I have opportunities for growth." The more I stopped focusing on problems and obstacles, and started looking for the gifts, the lessons, attached to them, the easier life became.
I became a part of the solution instead of getting stuck being the victim of the problem. I started seeing the half of the glass that was full instead of always focusing on the half that was empty.
Every problem is an opportunity for growth.
My subconscious Codependent attitudes and perspectives caused me to take life personally - to react emotionally as if life events were being directed at me personally as a punishment for being unworthy, for being a shameful creature.
Life is a series of lessons. The more I became aligned with knowing that I was being given gifts to grow from - the less I believed that the purpose of life was to punish me - the easier life became"
(All quotes in this color are from Codependence: The Dance of Wounded Souls)
janie
April 29, 2012 - 10:25pm — eyeswideopen35have you read Robert a burneys whole book dance of the wounded souls! it is amazing! i purchased it years and years ago before this relationship! i guess i wasn't ready to deal with my co dependency back then obviously needed to marry my narc and have the complete experience before i got it! heres hoping iget it now! i highly recommend this book
EyeswiseopenI
April 30, 2012 - 8:31am — Janie53No, I haven't and I appreciate the recommendation!
Thanks so much; I will never stop reading.
Stay true!!!
xoxoxo
Janie
Your heart will catch up with your brain in time!
April 29, 2012 - 11:29am — Trainwreck56My heart after 3 months with NC is doing such!
What you have to do is deal with the facts of this DISORDER, they have spent their whole lives screwing people over, male, female, everyone, ITS not you ITS HIM!
They are master manipulators and user-abusers!
They cannot be fixed!
There whole lives are a mess, all they want to do is destroy us! THEY HATE WOMAN!
Read more, their brains do not function like a normal persons, THEY ARE PREDATORS, what do predators do???
They HUNT, they KILL, or sometimes they EAT their VICTIMS
ALIVE! UGH!
Things will fall into place for you!
HUGS
NCNCNC
TW
They HUNT, they KILL, or
April 29, 2012 - 1:40pm — LoserFreeThey HUNT, they KILL, or sometimes they EAT their VICTIMS ALIVE!
Just like Honey Badger! hahahaha
Hope you saw the video and it made you laugh
P.S. I'm hoping my heart will heal too!!
XOXO
LoserFree
And we know
April 29, 2012 - 9:49pm — Tar Heel Bluethat Honey Badger don't give a shit!
PS I'm struggling with these same things today, too. I believe it's cognitive dissonance rearing its ugly head. I think that may be what you're experiencing, too. Remember, you were brainwashed. De-programming from that is going to take us a long time. I'm trying to remember that and to push on through it. I understand it, but understanding it and overcoming it are two different things.
We can do this.
Major hugs,
THB
Saw the VIDEO!
April 29, 2012 - 1:45pm — Trainwreck56Let these bastards eat the entrails of some one else while they are still alive!!!
ANIMALS!
NC, at least WE can all understand Darwin's Theory of Evolution better at this point!
HUGS!
TW
It is his intention
April 29, 2012 - 11:22am — lilygirlto make you feel this way. That way if he makes contact you may bite because you have a normal brain that wants clarity.
You hurt because you are human and what he did to you is unbelievably cruel.
It will come when you see this monster for what he is.
Hint: how he discarded you is a big clue into who he is.
Kick him to the curb,
Lily
JM
April 29, 2012 - 11:18am — Janie53You are at 98%. Keep going, the last 2 % may be the hardest but worth getting through!
Stay true, you owe it to you!
xxxooo
Janie
My thoughts
April 29, 2012 - 11:25am — Snowflakehave pondered this too..
My brain gets it, my heart or whatever it is feels the pain still.
I think for me my ego/self esteem got hurt and thats why I hurt so badly inside..also its hard to appreciate you were faked. The way they d and d is so so hurtful, maybe its just time.
Also if it brings up old issues you have all that 'past emotion' to fix too x