Panicking. Is this normal?

Panicking. Is this normal?
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I'm 4 months free of my narc sociopath. My story is on the tell your story page if anyone needs detail. But he moved from my home to another woman's home within 2 days of meeting her and is engaged to her. They have now been together almost 3 months. I sent her an email warning her and washed my hands. I'm trying very hard to move forward and I'm getting therapy.

My daughter out of the blue asked if I had heard from him. I told her not in 5 weeks and we don't have to worry about him anymore because he's getting married again. She oh good we are safe for a little bit then. I said no forever he doesn't want to be with mommy anymore it's gonna be ok. She responded 'mom ur crazy if you think it's gonna last with his new girl friend and the second he needs money he's coming back to try and get you because hes never gonna let you go because you make way too much money and I feel like its gonna be soon!'

I don't believe in premonition but I believe kids are very intuitive. So I broke the rules and looked at his new girlfriends fb page. I know I shouldn't have but I needed reassurance. Well first thing that hit me is she has 2 boys (9/10) and one is autistic. The second thing that I noticed is she changed her work status to stay at home mom today. She worked as a nutritionist at a school on a military base for the last 8 years.

I'm in a sheer panic. My best friends son is autistic and he requires a lot of special care. And her son appears to be not as functioning as my godson.

My ex hates children. He would tell me he wished my children would die because they take from him and he shouldn't have to share me or my income with my children. That I was his. He especially hates the boys. I have a 17 year old son and my ex would tell me he wished my son would get put in jail so he would get raped and he graphically described the rape until I ran screaming. I ended up sending my children to live with their dad so I could fight for my freedom without worrying about their safety. He has been with 7 women and all 7 of us have had to get our children to safety. He even has 3 children of his own he hasnt seen the 9 year old since she was 9 months. And the 17 and 18 year old since they were babies. He calls his 9 year olds mother and tells her he wishes her daughter was dead so he didn't have child support he hates her and she's nothing but a burden and wishes she was never born. He always says these kids take from ME!!!!

Anyways my panic started with my daughters comments. Then finding out she has 2 children and one is autistic I really started panicking. Both for the children's safety and because he will not be able to handle that. Then finding out she's not working I flew into full panic mode!! This man easily costs 8-10k a month. He has to have everything and the best of everything. And if you don't get it for him he will throw temper tantrums like nothing you have ever seen to the extent of selling my things if I wouldn't give in so he could get his fixes.

There is no way in the world this man is going to support a 40 year old unemployed woman with two children one of which is autistic.

I'm about to pack all my shit and move for the 6th time in 2 years! I'm about to throw up in fear he's coming after me!!! Is this panic normal??? Why am I soooo scared???? I'm a strong independent woman who shouldn't be afraid!!!

Deidre99's picture

If you are this afraid, I

If you are this afraid, I would still notify the police in case anything were to happen. Looking over your shoulder is no way to live.

I'd change the locks if that is what it takes, and stay NC with yes, everyone tied to this man. His mom is not an angel. Trust me, she's part of the reason he's as demented as he is. Narcissists are not born that way. Something wet horribly wrong in his childhood that rendered him the way he is. Maybe nothing direct from his mom, but if she stood by say, and watched his father beat him...he may lay blame on her. In my eyes, she is no angel. She is part of the equation, truthfully. She may seem nice, etc. But, she is part of who he became. Using women is a way to 'get back' at his own mom.

I would cut her out of your life, and anyone else tied to him. I don't mean to sound cold, but you need to get very tough when dealing with a psychopath. He is beyond a mere narcissist, and narcs are bad enough. Psychopaths are what you describe here.

I would buy a big dog, and protect yourself. Do whatever it takes. I would stay NC. No reason to be afraid of this loser, anymore.

And your daughter sounds adorable. Hug her lots, and may you stay strong during this time!

Kyntoep's picture

ugh

I was pretty sure that was going to be the response.

He is one of 6 children and all the others are fine. His mom had to start getting him therapy as early as 10 when the pastor at the church found him sniffing gasoline. By 12 he was so out of control that they took the whole family for an evaluation and his little brother and sister said he had been touching them so they put him in a home for 2 1/2 years where he was diagnosed narc sociopath. He is a product of his mom's first marriage. His biological father who he never met (mom tried to protect him from father) is exactly the same way (has over 20 children, a raging addict, and criminal, and VERY dangerous). I think it may be heriditary as my ex wasn't abused.

One of my 7 brothers is a psycopath and he is not this controlled so I think ex is a sociopath. My brother runs nillywilly and has no sense of self preservation and spends most of his time in prison. This man is 100% in control. He knows exactly what, when, why, how, and where. I think my brother's is heriditary too because my mom is the same way as he is.

Anyways, I will cut them all off. Man this is like quitting drinking and going through detox!!! But I do believe this is much more painful...

Deidre99's picture

well, whatever her story is,

well, whatever her story is, cutting her out will bring you healing. what he does, doesn't do, what he did or didn't do at 12...means nothing at this point.

kids are not born, narcissists. they are born into families that breed the behavior. whether it was indirect or not, whether this came from his bio dad or not...he may look at his mother as the culprit. as it was her fault for marrying a bad guy, and now the bad guy (his dad) is not in his life. so the mom will often get the blame, by their sons, for any and all behaviors.

i shouldn't say this is her fault. we all have grown up to a degree with dysfunction. we shouldn't look to our families as the reason why we can't achieve this or that. so, i'm not meaning to imply this is all her fault.

at any rate, your best bet is to remove her from your life. i am sorry you have been through such pain. it does suck--on a variety of levels! but, you will have peace and clarity, when these people are not in your life. she is a reminder of him, seeing she's his mom and all. so, just think it'll help to omit her. not easy, i know, but necessary.

i wish you nothing but the best; and we're here for you!

Layla's picture

Panic and Fear take time to work through....

I am glad to see you are in therapy. A horrendous experience like this takes a lot of time to sort through and recover from. I will be honest, i am 10 months out from my abuser sociopath and reading your "Share your Story" post and this one really both triggered me and upset me greatly. I actually had to force myself to read this one. This takes a lot of time and patience with ourselves to get over and through. It really does.

Everyone here is right and you know it to be true- you must not look at facebook or have any contact. HE is never going to be "happy", he is a disordered mess. And yes, he probably will hoover around again, these types almost always do. You may eventually have to get a restraining order on him- I had to do this. We must protect ourselves and our children. These PDs do not change. Hang in there, you are at the beginning of your journey. The only way out is through.

No Contact is the foundation to which we build our recovery.

love~ Layla

Kyntoep's picture

Contact

I knew it. I could feel it in my bones. I guess women's intuition is dead on. He made contact. Fake FB page and just a smiley face message. I blocked anyone that has any connection to him so he created a fake page. I did not respond. And I packed my car and left town.

Layla's picture

Oh my gosh mine created a fake FB page too!

Haha! Wow! How CLEVER they are! NOT!

"As if" I was going to fall for that ridiculous move! Hahaha! We are talking a man (and I use the word "man" rather loosely here!) that is going to be 50 years old this summer creating bullshit fake FB pages to infiltrate....no words for that....just, oh how shall I say it? "Disordered"?

: )

love~ Layla

Kyntoep's picture

Thanks

Hi Layla,

Thanks for the support again. I honestly looked because I wanted to reassure myself he's settled and 'happy.' I know if he is he will leave me alone. I am just getting to the point I'm not looking over my shoulder. I just needed reassurance he's staying put. I'm going away for the weekend so I won't be stressed. But I'm honestly seriously considering moving for a while.

One thing I know is that all of the men I have ever been with try and come back. And not just once but for ever!!! None of them have been as dangerous as this one though. The man I was in a relationship with for several years before i married this monster found out I'm single again about a month ago. I respond to him one time saying 'we tried and its never worked. I will never allow anyone in my life again who has abused me. Please do not contact me or look for me. You will never get another response.' I have not responded since, for an entire month, but I'm getting emails, texts and phone calls all day every day. Saying he's going to therapy, he knows he's a selfish pathological liar who has destroyed many lives and he's working his butt off to fix it, he still loves me, he can't live without me in his life, he's realized through the 2 1/2 years we've been apart and both married other people that I'm his soul mate, that he won't ever treat me badly again, blah blah blah. My first husband and father of my children has done it since the day we broke for good once every 3-4 months. Hes been asking me every day for about 3 months to move in with him and the kids so we can be a family again and he can 'protect' me and it will be just like old times. Oh heck no! I'd rather be shot which is exactly what I told him. I know thats not a possibility because Im likely to run him over with a truck if he looks at me crosseyed. And my high school sweetheart who I've seen off and on for over 20 years won't ever go away. Give him 6 months of not talking to him and he's hunting me down and will not relent until I pacify him with at least one date and a few calls. At least with him he gets his fix and goes away for a while.

It's like putting on a coat of armor every morning a preparing for battle. I delete, block, change email, change my phone number, etc. But my experience is they come back!!!! But this monster I just got free from is crazy. I can't help feeling if I've been with all these men who cycle back to get at me then what's this man gonna do? It's freaking scary.

As for orders I tried getting a protective order. If you can't serve them you can't get one. You can't even get a court date! I've tried getting him served over and over. They haven't ever been able to get him and I always have to start the process again. It's freaking exhausting!!! Now it's been a few months so I have to wait until he tries something again. I'm not too sure I see the logic in that. But the police say they have thousands of women in danger and have to deal with the most pressing stuff.

I've decided to prayer battle him into prison!!! Lol. I know God deals with everyone how he sees fit, but I just can't help getting on my knees once in a while and begging he goes to jail for a long long time.

Janie53's picture

Kyntoep

Please no disrespect here, I had a rough yesterday and read your story quite quickly and will re-read in a bit.

But if I do recall, correctly, I believe you said you have been involved with 5 narcissists. Wow! I don't think I would survive another...

With that being said I would suggest you get yourself and your children into therapy. There is a serious pattern here and if it doesn't get broken, it will not end.

Again, if I missed this, my apologies.
Pleae Stay true to you.

Janie

Kyntoep's picture

pattern

Just wanted to say yes this is a pattern. If you read my story you will see it clearly. My mom is a crack addict and my father is a violently abusive alcoholic. I've had more stitches and breaks than I can count. My dad is so violent I've been shot at, beaten with a bull whip, had my throat sliced, you name it. Yes he got in lots of trouble, but in the 70's the law wasn't as rigid. I remember sitting in the car while getting tested for DWI and watching out the back window. He got over 20 DWI's with all of the kids in the car. It used to be crazy back then!! On top of that I have 7 brothers and no I wasn't the princess I was the caregiver. By 17 I was out on my own and raising 4 of them and did so for 8 years until they were functioning on their own. The only thing I have ever known is to compartmentalize, protect, and take care of everything and everyone. I pick these men to validate my worth. If I can fix just ONE of them then I will finally have value and all I went though as a child would have been worth it. Ha!! Sick right?

I am getting EMDR therapy and learning. Until this experience I had NO IDEA how sick I am. Its for sure a pattern and a very dangerous one. I hope and pray every minute of my life that I can overcome all of this and show my 2 girls how to be strong and brave. Not just on the outside, but on the inside too.

Kyntoep's picture

Therapy

Thanks for the response. Yes I'm in therapy. I have been since November but it's a work in progress.

Used's picture

So I broke the rules and

So I broke the rules and looked at his new girlfriends fb
page. I know I shouldn't have but I needed reassurance
WHAT REASSURANCE DID YOU EXPECT TO GET?
Your children are your concern...not hers...
I would be concerned if my daughter ever said...SO WE ARE SAFE?.....
Let this women sort her own life....
and you sort your own.....
They may come back[NARCS], but only WE can take them back.....NC IS THE ONLY WAY...

Kyntoep's picture

I know

I know I need to break free completely. I honestly wanted to make sure he's settled and happy. If he's with someone he won't bother me. I was wondering more about the panic and when you stop being so afraid.

spinning's picture

You will stop being afraid

when you take definitive action to reject all fear.

You do that by erasing him from your existence. You do that by not involving yourself in any aspect of his life. Whether he's with someone or not doesn't mean he'll leave you alone or not. YOU DECIDE WHEN YOU ARE DONE by calling the cops if he shows up on your doorstep. By going complete no contact and keeping a log of any phone calls, texts, etc. if you haven't blocked him and changed your number.

I know your fear. I was involved with a cop! A very stealthy and sneaky individual. But I was firm with calling the sheriff should he ever show up at my door and that reduced my fear immensely. I knew that would be how I CONTROL WHAT HAPPENS TO ME.

I understand your fear but if you have a plan of action should he show up, such as calling the cops, you are taking your power back and stripping him of any and all power in your life.

Whatever is on OW's facebook page has nothing to do with YOU and the life you are trying to create. Your looking at that keeps you right smack in the center of the disordered relationship and disordered life. You do not need to put yourself there.

If you are truly done and want him gone from your life for good, you will not engage any of your precious thoughts or time with what he is or is not doing, unless he shows up at your doorstep at which time you keep the door closed and locked and call the cops.

Sincerely,
(not) spinning. BECAUSE I REJECT ALL CHAOS AND DESTRUCTION

Kyntoep's picture

One more thing

I am very close to his mother. She's actually the one who warned me. She herself has a restraining order on him and says I just want him to forget I exist! Also his 16 year old daughter contacts me. She lives with his mother. She also refuses any contact with her father.

Does blocking him from my life completely mean I also block these people who I love dearly? His mom is an angel. And I can honestly say since my own mother is a crack addict and has never been there in my life that his mom has almost become a surrogate mom to me. And his daughter looks at me as a surrogate mother due to other horrifying situations in her life and losing her bio mom.

Does no contact mean you also shut out the other people? I haven't seen anything on that.

Thanks!!

Kyntoep's picture

Thanks!!

This is exactly what I was looking for!!! Thank you!!

Sparrow's picture

You brought this on yourself

You brought this on yourself unfortunately by "peeking" at the OW. Many do it, and most regret it. You know way too much about this woman and her life. You need to turn that desire off in your head and you will eventually.

The OW is irrelevant in your healing. Please know this, it is the truth.

As far as this man, no wait, he is not a man, he is an animal...........as far as he is concerned, he makes me utterly sick to my stomach. He actually said to you that he wished your children would die? And he wished your son was in jail? Those two remarks alone are completely unacceptable. Be so very glad you are free of this evil monster disguised as a human being.

Stop trying to warn the OW. She will not listen to you. He most likely already has her brain washed. It is very honorable for you to be concerned with her children, but in all honesty, you need to become and remain more concerned with your own and their welfare. Keep them safe from this animal. Keep yourself safe from him as well.

Will he try to come back? Only if he knows you have money for the taking so he can support his new supply. If he does come around, a restraining order would be my next endeavor.

Kyntoep's picture

Ow

I know I shouldn't have looked. I honestly feel safer knowing he's in a relationship. I wanted to make sure all was going fantastic. My daughters comments alarmed me that much. I started looking over my shoulder again. When I saw that no things are already not fine I went into panic mode. I was wondering more about the panic and fear. How long does it last, etc. And yes I'm in therapy. I'm actually getting EMDR therapy for codependance and PTSD.

SkinnyBuffalo's picture

I understand why you did what

I understand why you did what you did. You'll get no tough love from me. You thought you would feel safer, but it only had the opposite effect. But, the truth is knowing does not control what he does or doesn't do, and unfortunately you can only protect yourself and your family - which it saddens me the process you must go through everyday to "armor up". I'm glad you have support here and through therapy.

Have you thought about changing your name so you might be harder to find? It's a pain in the ass process, but I just went through it and it was worth it. God bless you.

Kyntoep's picture

name change

I wish I could, but I've worked sooooooo hard to establish my career. I have a very unique name and live in a huge city. Everyone in my industry knows exactly who I am. And changing my name would be like starting over again. I've had to give up too much. I'm going to stand my ground on this one.