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Today, i cant stop crying!!! its been 3 months!!! why am i not over this!
I dont think i can take another 3 months of this, the pain is overwhelmimg me, the waves, the roller coaster it just seems like it is never going to end. just when i think it is...BAM.. it comes back ten fold!
i dont know what else i can do.. im seeing a therapist, im doing journaling, grief work, exercising!!!
I have never wanted to contact as bad as I do today!!
Its insane to feel like the only person that can help me get through this is HIM!! when he is the one causing all my PAIN
I just MIss my husband, who i thought he was, i miss all the good times and all the dreams we had!!
We were back together for 3.5 yrs this time before the D&D happened and he walked out!
that is a long time for him to keep his mask on!!!
yes there were defiantely things throughout the r/ship., manipulation, abuse, control, bad behaviour etc, but nothing like who i saw the last 3 months of our marriage!
he really tried to keep that side hidden, he really wanted to live a normal life and have a family. in the end he just couldnt do it, but i feel like he really tried. he was honest, faithful all up until the last few months!!
so shattered!!!
same place
April 23, 2012 - 11:03am — luvapugI feel in the same boat as you...it has been a Full month to the Day, today since I last looked into my N's eyes...I went NC as of April 8th because he insisted how happy he was after he left!!! He even said "why am I so happy now, I think it was my surroundings!!! I feel so much Happier now!!!" I was blown away...why couldn't he try to do more things to help his happiness with me??? And his surroundings were me and my child...so we were the problem???? When my son and I are happy people normally...how were we responsible for his unhappiness??? Still baffled...but lately as soon as I start to miss him, it think of the shitty things he said on his way out "wasn't attracted to the relationship, needed to go figure himself out, needed to make himself happy" he left my house and deleted me from his FB...but added nearly 200 people in the last month!!! all from his stupid car forum...guess he wants immature twits to give him attention. a mutual friend even told me he put a "call out" on his FB for anyone who wanted to go on a Cruise with him?!?!? He never did that for me????
-these things get me through the sad times...think of the crappy things he did!
-luvapug
Three months is just the
April 23, 2012 - 7:33am — HunterThree months is just the begining.. It's like mourning a death..
It takes a long time to feel better.. Stay the course..
No pain no gain.. It will be ok
Hunter
Deep breath!!!!!!
April 23, 2012 - 7:16am — janemarieYes...the frustration....ugh!!!!!! I remember that!!!!
Did you hear what I just wrote???? I "remember" which means I got thru it.....at 3 months I was still a mess and that was when I threw away his pictures, his clothes, anything that I had that was his or reminded me of him....I got rid of it all...and pretended he was dead...sounds eerie...but it worked!!!!!
Im 7 months out and Im not over it but Im no longer in the fetal position...Im trying to live...I try to help others on here...I pump my children with positive thoughts to help them....I try to practice what I preach...not always easy but Im doing it!!!!
One day at a time....I know it sounds so cliche but time heals and what you do during that time makes all the difference.....
I read self help books, I listen to Sam Vankin videos on youtube, I PM or speak with other members....push yourself to do for YOU,,,whatever it is.....
But step back....take a deep breath....and tell yourself that you will be ok....you will be BETTER than ok now that you are free!!!!! Believe it!!!! I promise!!!!
Hang in there sister soldier!!!!
xoxo
Whoa there! three months and
April 23, 2012 - 1:35am — JourneyWhoa there! three months and you think you should be over it already?! That is completely unrealistic by any stretch of imagination. Don't be so hard on yourself. Of course you are hurting, that's okay. Grieve the dream that has been lost. You HAVE suffered a loss here.
I am sorry you are hurting so much, but it WILL pass. Don't despair, sad days like this come and go but they ARE transitory and you will move through them quicker and easier with time. It is a gradual recovery and one that really can't be rushed. So just feel your sadness when it comes up, honor the real pain you are feeling as you release it. Acceptance will take its place and the sadness may linger for many months yet, but it will NOT remain this intense and one day you WILL be able to say you are over the worst of it and KNOW you truly are. ((hugs))
thanks journey
April 23, 2012 - 2:50am — eyeswideopen35Thanks journey, yes i am my own worst enemy at times, I needed to hear that 3 months is not long enough to expect myself to get over it... Your words have given me strength, thank you .. (hugs)
You're welcome. Just remember
April 23, 2012 - 3:28am — JourneyYou're welcome. Just remember to honor your emotions and let them pass through you. The sadness dissipates eventually.
Crying is a good thing, it releases the painful toxicity from our spirit and bodies and I am not ashamed to say I pretty much cried at some point every day for a full year after the final D&D - it was such a common occurrence I didn't even notice it after awhile. Then after finding this forum and understanding the depth of my experience for what it was, the confusion and self blame eased and I started noticing when I hadn't cried for a day or two or three in a row and would be delighted.
Now it is only very rarely that I feel that sadness enough to bring tears and I promise you, one day you will reach this point in recovery too - just don't expect it to happen before it does and get discouraged by the pace, let it happen as it will instead. It is a process for sure and every day away from the narc is progress closer toward your emotional freedom!! xoxo
Sorry
April 23, 2012 - 1:28am — PumpkinSorry you are going through a rough time.
Sometimes it seems like they are trying to be normal but it just doesn't last and they can't pull it off.
They work on our self esteem until it's almost non existent. And they brainwash us into believing we can't make it without them. I know whenever there is a big thing in my life I think "if only he was here". But not for long, if he was here he would be making more drama and more debt.
Because he was such a control freak I didn't make decisions, and the few little ones I did make he always made me feel that they were wrong.
Just keep up with the journaling, in a few months you'll be reading back and think wow, I made it through that. You will see how far you've come and how you are improving.
Try focusing on all the things you can do in peace now that you couldn't do with him around. Mine would always comment on my crappy music. Now I can have my music on and enjoy it, makes me feel happy and peaceful. I can go where I want, when I want. I can do things without him saying he can do it better or faster. I can be me and enjoy the things I do.
Remember "This too shall pass". It will get better. You will get stronger.
nanoseconds of clarity
April 23, 2012 - 1:07am — no more an echoToo Sad, eyeswideopen35,
"he really wanted to live a normal life and have a family"
My Ex-Narc said those words to me- verbatim. One of the few times, I think, he was honest with himself and me.
Like drug addicts, I think they have moments of clarity about themselves and how sick and emotionally stunted they really are. In those brief minutes (seconds- or nanoseconds), he knows how desperately he needs to change and also knows the impossibility of that EVER happening. Then it's right back into his extreme denial. Maybe the delusion that he is perfect keeps him from a despair so deep that he would 'off himself' to end the pain.
That was the saddest part for me. Seeing that dynamic and understanding his powerlessness to eke out a good life for himself.
And, speaking of powerlessness, you can't help your Ex-Narc either.
I think you have suffered the worst part of it, though. The first few months are the suckiest. Take care.
Mine also said he wanted to
April 23, 2012 - 6:29am — KSam80Mine also said he wanted to live a "normal life, get married and have babies". It was only words, his actions were anything but normal.
However, I do believe he really wanted this fantasy of the wife, house, white picket fence and children. He wants to be anything then who is actually is. Unfortunately he was playing a part in a play. At some point the play has to end, costumes and make-up removed.
My ex found comfort in joining Narcotics Anonymous twelve step program. He has been addicted to Lorazapam (prescribed sedative) for 10 years. He takes this medication religiously at certain times throughout the day to keep his feelings of rage and fear numb. He became obsessed with finding "peace" in the program and trying to "fix" himself.
It's interesting to see that he does have the insight that he is emotionally stunted and has a problem, he can't control his rage, fear and sexual exploitation of women.
Yet he views his PD as an "addiction" that he can cure or control.... unfortunately that is too short sighted.
Narcissism is woven deep into his personality and his "recovery" just became the excuse for his bad delinquent behaviour once he found NA. He actually would insist I join the program telling me I have a problem and need to seek help (I don't even take tylenol !) I happen to be seeing a license psychologist during this time (because of this insane relationship) and he said that NA is the only thing that will help me, I'm wasting my money seeing my therapist. Who gave him a PHD ???? the man didn't even graduate highschool ! Once he even convinced my to go to a meeting with him. I went just so the degrading would stop, it never did because I had given him control.
Also, the NA program fed into his narcissism. Suddenly he had an entire room of people who gave him their undivided attention. The stage was set for another dramatic play with him as the lead actor.
By the way, he continued to take his medication and has no immediate plans to stop, yet he would go on about receiving a medallion for being clean each month. He was fooling his NA program....just sick !
He also told me he was out at a "fellowship dinner" with his NA group the time I caught him in a lie, He was at the OW house having a fuckfest.
Did I mention he mantra was "I don't lie, I'm in the program".
It's all so INSANE and crazy making !!
thank you
April 23, 2012 - 8:12am — eyeswideopen35thank you lovely ladies for all your thoughtful replies it has helped me get through the day! lucky for me mine is leaving me alone! maybe in one of his moments of clarity he relished he was killing me slowly and decided he would let me go! i hope it stays that way! fingers crossed! i hope you all have a beautiful narc free day tomorrow! thanks again x
so classically narc
April 23, 2012 - 7:23am — no more an echoHi KSam80,
Thanks for sharing and it's a good thing that you're seeing a therapist. Being with a Narc is like a trip down the rabbit hole or walk through a trippy 'fun house'.
Their lies and distortions are impossible to live with...Going to an NA meeting while high is just SO CLASSICALLY NARC!
Glad you're here!
no more an echo- clarity
April 23, 2012 - 2:47am — eyeswideopen35Yeah i think the hardest part for me is that I know he really tried b4 we got married to be a normal loving partner
He had a complete breakdown in the last few weeks b4 the d&d, he was shocked that he had repeated ALL the same patterns AND behaviour that he had spent years trying not to do!
In that breakdown he had moments of clarity were i believed he spoke his truth... were he would say that "its all him and that it wouldnt matter how perfect i was, nothing would ever be enough for him...he would always want more..
he also said that its a personality disorder and he knows there is no cure for it, so he may as well just except it and that he know he will end up a lonely old man!
the thing is he didnt want to go to therapy..he knew what was wrong with him.. he thought it was just as simple as believing he really wanted to be married and have a family!
but he couldnt keep up the act.
Then at the end in the middle of his "breakdown" i spent hours and hours talking to him, counselling him, trying to understand what the hell was going on.. he was depressed, sullen, sad, he looked broken, scared, everything..telling me he loved me but he just couldnt do it!
He said all of his childhood stuff was coming up as well as all of his past r/ship stuff and he felt like he was losing his mind, this went on for 2 weeks...
then he completely snaped!! he just losed it!! It was like he was possessed, i barley reconised him... he was certainly a fair cry from the man i married. i was completely shocked, i had gone from nurturing him, loving him, trying to help him, and overnight i had become the enemy... he blamed me for everything, hated me, completely turned on me, it was like he despised me. he completey D&D me, probably the worse he has ever done to someone! it was brutal!
I never thought he could be so cruel and brutal, its like a switched just turned on and his real self that he had been hiding for so long just took over..he could put up the facade any longer...
Im still scared by seeing him like this..
I knew then he was at the point of no return.. he had been unmasked and at that point he just looked at me and said...
"this is who i really am and i dont give a fuck if you see it now cause im done".
i really think he thought that my love would be enough to save him... (i put up with alot over the 7 years and he knew id never leave him. he'd say to me if i cant make it with you, ill never make it with anyone! and that he no one has every loved him the way i do)
When he started repeating all him past behaviour etc i geniunely think he was shocked..that he didnt think he would do it to me! he said in the end that he has had a big realisation about who is and that he is never going to change.
part of me feels sorry for him and sad for him... is that wrong?
OMG, you were with my ex!! he
April 23, 2012 - 11:17am — JourneyOMG, you were with my ex!! he said the exact same things to me, except about admitting it was a disorder... he just likes to think of himself as 'different' and that this difference puts him on a better level than all us lowly humans that actually FEEL empathy and care.
Glad you are out! Part of me feels sorry and sad for the exN too - there is no wrong about it unless it is at the expense of caring about ourselves and our own healing. It is time to put ourselves first! xo
you can't stop a runaway train with your foot
April 23, 2012 - 4:47am — no more an echoeyeswideopen35,
Your story is just so sad. Maybe I think that because my situation with my last Ex-Narc is so very similar.
Preacher-man was very intelligent and he had, I think, more ability than many Narcs to self-reflect (intellectually- not emotionally). He KNEW THAT HE WAS 'OFF'- and like your husband, I believe that he TRULY tried to change. And he HOPED, with me, that he would have a different outcome.
You wrote:
"he thought it was just as simple as believing he really wanted to be married and have a family! but he couldn't keep up the act."
Yep. Couldn't have said it better! My Ex-Narc and most in his congregation hoped (believed, prayed that he WASN'T as disordered as they suspected he was!) that he could (finally) have a NORMAL relationship and NOT have a COMPLETE TRAIN WRECK! I feel such sorrow for him (after I went through the anger!)
Your story is just so much more bitter than mine because you married your Narc and tried so hard- for 7 years to make it work.
You sure got your clarity, though. Your Ex is incredibly self aware considering his disorder. That must help you that he was SO emphatic in telling you that the problem was DEFINITELY due to his issues. That's more closure than most people get with a Narc. (Hey, I'm trying really HARD to find ONE good thing in here for you!)
But obviously, that was WAY TOO MUCH clarity for HIM- and he had to 'flip the switch' back to his warm, comfy friend DENIAL where EVERYTHING was back to being your fault and HE get's to be PERFECT again. That's why you reported the extreme hostility:
"I never thought he could be so cruel and brutal, its like a switched just turned on and his real self that he had been hiding for so long just took over..he could put up the facade any longer...I'm still scared by seeing him like this...I knew then he was at the point of no return.. he had been unmasked and at that point he just looked at me and said..."this is who i really am and i don't give a fuck if you see it now cause I'm done".
CHILLING, isn't it?
Lastly, you asked:
"part of me feels sorry for him and sad for him... is that wrong?"
Not at all wrong but EXPECTED. He's the one that (disturbingly) lacks empathy!
so true!! no more an echo
April 23, 2012 - 5:26am — eyeswideopen35wow so true no more an echo.. i really feel like you understand me and were i am at..
you are right my exn husband was very self aware of who he is ( i know he spent time in therapy in his last r/ship) which is when i am assuming he learnt he suffered from NPD..
He is a master manipulator and whilst i did get moments of clarity when he admitted it was him etc..
he also hid this disorder from me for all these years and he only told me right at the end... which i believe now he used as a way to explain and justify his behaviour.. and perhaps as a test also to see if i would hang around..
I passed the "test" i still didnt run for the hills, instead i told him that if he wanted to change and get help i would stand by him and support him..
he was up and down all over the place... real jekyll and hyde behaviour.. at times i could see he wanted to try but in the end his disorder won and he said...
" why would i want to change, it works for me being like this.. " i get too do whatever i want when i want"
wow..all i can say now is that i see how very LOST he is..
I think he had the best chance with me and my family to change.. but i realise now that i CANT save him...
I would be sacrificing my life , my truth and my soul if i went back and tried.
I need to SAVE myself!
big hugs to you, xox
the disorder 'works for him'
April 23, 2012 - 7:03am — no more an echoOMG, OMG, OMG, eyeswideopen,
You wrote:
"at times i could see he wanted to try but in the end his disorder won and he said...
" why would i want to change, IT WORKS FOR ME being like this.. " i get too do whatever i want when i want"
I can't tell you how many times I used a phrase that my dear friend coined about my Ex-Narc.
In response to any of my uncertainties that I would verbalize about my Narc, (You know: "Why won't he ...", "Why does he..." and "Can't he understand that...") my friend would say:
"IT WORKS FOR HIM"
You know- his disorder makes him godlike in his mind. No one challenges him on PLANET 'N'! He is perfect and all of his pawn-sycophants are where he wants them on his chessboard. Life is good. Why would he change one little thing? My girlfriend understood that his disorder, simply stated, "WORKS FOR HIM!" OMG. I can't believe we're even using the same verbiage!
I'm happy to see that you understand the futility of sticking around and 'helping' him. They really are so LOST and broken to a point of 'unfixability'! How sad is that?
Let's be happy today that we will eventually move past this and love again.
((hug)) back attcha
eyeswide
April 23, 2012 - 3:13am — SnowflakeI think sometimes the hardest person on yourself is you..I go from real grief/struggles to anger at myself..snap out of it, intellectually I can see it so why cant I !!!
Its frustrating/devastating..I think because they show you whats missing in you..whether thats trying to relive a past lesson to try to heal or whether thats making you feel special/validated..its all the more devastating when they leave.
Thats why they differ from normal relationships because in a normal relationship there arent all these issues, the devastation lasts a lot longer/you lose part of yourself.
Mine was long distance so you think how can someone long distance create so much havoc..I am just working towards trying to accept he's bad for me.
He is such a nasty man, its a mind fuck, professing love yet would often send something like 'what the fuck are you on about now'..its recognising abuse. But for me too its also feeling worthy..eg I accept it for myself but if someone sent that to a friend I would scratch their eyes out x