My struggle..wisdom needed

My struggle..wisdom needed
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I don't often come on here looking for advice because I tend to be a private person and I pretty much know the road I need to travel having lived it so long, but I am in great conflict with myself.
I have read over and over again how miserable narcissists are. That they suffer from great anxiety and are not the happy people they often potray themselves to be. That never seemed to be the case with mine. He was mostly joyful(except the occasional rage),full of life and energy.He was always joking and seemed to enjoy people and loved to have deep conversations as well.
On our last night together he described his inner pain ad demons to me. I always knew he suffered from anxiety but never thought he was actually well...miserable. I won't go into the details of what he told me as not to betray him,but it was quite shocking and he seemd to be in the depths of despair.
I left him that night ,because to me I meant nothing to him after all we had shared throughout the years. The guilt I have over this is all consuming. I would never leave a fiend who reached out to me in such despair but I left him and left him cold.I just shut down.It wasn't revenge.I cant describe why I went cold. I would never think I was capable of such coldness. I feel terrible and want to reach out to him but know I can't travel down that road again. I don't even know what I'm asking. I feel that I betrayed a friend in need,a man I loved. What does that say about me?

wsh's picture

What does that say about YOU?

Well......maybe there was "something" that scared you? got your "gut" going? Please don't beat yourself up about this. I also don't know your whole story, but I DO know that the ONLY time my NH "opened up" was when he was trying to CHANGE THE SUBJECT & TAKE THE FOCUS OFF OF SOME SHITTY THING HE JUST SAID/DID! Best example: We're in the middle of an argument about (again) his bullshit behavior with some other woman while we're at a social event, & he's screaming/blaming/name-calling me, when all of a sudden he stops & YELLS...."& by the way, MY MOTHER DIED!" WTF? Yeah....your mother died 3 years ago & WTF does that have to do with THIS discussion? My response was "F**K YOU" & left the room. So....what does that say about ME? It says that I recognized the f'd up REASON he was suddenly "sharing" something vulnerable....just to change the subject & shut me up. Do I feel guilty? NO!

I have no idea if this "fits" with your experience or not, but maybe it does............either way, please don't beat yourself up.....there WAS a reason......trust it!

TNR1's picture

I left him that night

I left him that night ,because to me I meant nothing to him after all we had shared throughout the years.

There is the answer to your own question. How could you support him if you weren't anything to him? Relationships are about give and take...there is a balance because our expectation is that when we give...at some point, the other person will reciprocate that back to us. With a Narc relationship...we give, give, give, give and they take, take, take, take and at some point....we just don't have anything more to give. Our body and soul starts to pull away HARD because we don't have anything left. I don't know where this guilt of yours is coming from..but you did the right thing. You recognized the writing on the wall..the futality of everything and took yourself out of the equation. I think you need to congratulate yourself for this awareness and for not going back to him or contacting him. If you have things you want to say, try some visualization exercises...you can tell him everything you need without really telling him to his face. It's amazing how much better you will feel when you let it all go.

faith999's picture

Please forgive me for monopolizing

this forum today with my problem. I know there are other women on here today that need advice and I promise this will be the last time I bring this post back to the top.
But please bear with me for now.
TNRI..Yes what I said " I left him that night ,because to me I meant nothing to him after all we had shared throughout the years" was the reason I shut down and left. That and as Snowflake pointed out I saw the darkness of his soul.
I will add that after an hour of complete silence and me staring into space I said quite a few choice words to him before I left.God knows I knew I would leave the man penrmanently..eventually, but not like that. What he was telling me had nothing to do with me. It was about his pain.
I made it all about me!!It wasn'about me.Did he deserve my compassion,no I guess not.He has caused much pain in my life.But one thing I know for sure he would never have left me in a heap of despair like I did him.He wouldn't have.I will move on from this...just maybe not today :)

Hunter's picture

You left for a reason.. What

You left for a reason.. What was that reason?

If he was prince Chatning as you "think" (CD) my friend ,all would be fine.. My guess is many things lead to your departure..

If he was so wonderful why wasnt this worked out? Only you know the Whole story..

About 5 years ago I took my last real roller coaster ride on " the Viper" I love the thrill the excitement.. Always had for years I kept going back for more.. That last ride..all the turns ,the speed,the height.. By the time it was over I was violently Ill... I could no longer subject my old tired body to such a ride.. It was a must.. I left "the viper " behind for new stock to enjoy what I once did.. I didn't abandon the thrill .. I have the good memories .. The viper is a thing of the past.. On my path forward I now enjoy a nice cold drink pool side.. Change is good.

Hunter

faith999's picture

My dear Hunter

You have just made me a liar(as i push my post back to the top),got my adrenaline pumping and you have really pissed me off!!!!
Yes Hunter I left for a reason. I left because I realized he was dead in his soul and he sure as hell wasn't"wonderful" and was certainly no "prince Charrming"
He was all the things a somatic narc is. He manipulated me with his covert abuse and mind control.
He was a freakin' Master.
The "whole story" hunter is that he may have never left me in a heap the way i did him that night but has brought me to the depths of despair in more insidiuos ways.
Thank you Hunter for that well intentioned slap.
I guess I needed to be pissed off.Time I directed it at the person who caused it and it sure as hell isn't you.
You are good at your job Hunter :)

Hunter's picture

A quote from Gettinbetter "

A quote from Gettinbetter " now you're cooking with gas""

Hunter

Hunter's picture

There is no doubt these

There is no doubt these freaks are damaged goods..

I read your post and I read about a man who is faking life.. He Told you who he really was that night, that's why you left..

I live in Chicago..a walk to anywhere is a Garuantee to view the lost souls of the homeless begging for money.. As I walk to the Magnificiant Mile.. It makes me sad but I can't save the world..So I keep on my journey..

because I choose to battle the demons and live a happy healthy life .. Once I arrive on Michigan Ave.. Yes , it's pretty Magnificant ..

You can't fix him.. You choose you..a very good choice..

Hunter

onwithmylife's picture

faith990

always remember you were saving yourself, like I did when i asked the exnarc to leave m place because of all the abuse, except for physical, I was on the verge of a mental breakdown at the time and still loved the man dearly...................

Maggster's picture

I don't know your story with

I don't know your story with your narc but I think your reaction was that you made a choice, a good and healthy choice, and that choice was you. Perhaps you hit a point where you knew that the only chance at real happiness was to be away from him and his pathology. Perhaps, you feel badly about the way things ended because you are a kind, caring and loving person and under normal circumstances with a real human being things would be handled differently. I applaud you for taking care of you! I'm working really hard on doing the same. Stay strong!

janemarie's picture

What does that says about

What does that says about you???? To me....it says that you were a manipulated person who he began playing victim for..

I dont know your details so its hard for me to comment much, but from what I can see of you from reading your words.... "I won't go into the details of what he told me as not to betray him" You are a loyal, warm, good-hearted person who thinks and probably puts others before you...THIS is the kind of person you are....NOT at all cold!!!!!

They are masters of manipulation and put on masks to perform for us....I dont know if you ever lived with the man but if you had, you may have seen the "miserable" side to him.

Like I said, it's hard for me to comment because Im not familiar with your story...but I feel you have been manipulated by him to feel guilty and it's working...you have nothing to feel guilty about...You left becasue you felt it was the right thing to do for YOU!!! Its time to put yourself FIRST!!!! Dont look back....keep looking and moving forward!!!
xoxo

bernadette's picture

Pityploy

Hello faith 999,

Reading and reading gives you knowledge and power.....

My xN uses until now,every medial and every way(flattery, blame and shame me,finding quilty,playing quilty, begging,anger, sarcasm,Pityploy, presents )to stay, and now return in my live...he thinks there is still a lot to get for him....PITTY for him...but I stay NC.

Be wise and Stay Strong....greetings, Bernadette

For more knowledge:

http://psychopathyawareness.wordpress.com/2012/01/05/review-of-dorothy-m...

http://psychopathyawareness.wordpress.com/2011/09/13/dangerous-mind-game...

http://www.dailystrength.org/groups/victims-of-psychopaths-sociopaths/di...

faith999's picture

Thank you for your responses

I appreciate all your words of wisdom.I do understand what you are all saying how a narc uses "pity as a ploy" I also kow it is hard to respond when I have put bits and pieces of my time with the N here on the board and have been quite elusive as to the full extent of the relationship.
When I speak of the covert abuse I am talking of secrets,sexual addiction,lies,grooming and so on.When together,which was alot,he treated me very well and was always interested(or pretended to be) in my life,my joys,fears and struggles. He also compartmentalized our relationship.
The night it ended was an ordinary night and I do believe he was not looking for pity,he was speaking his truth. This was not a supply attempt.It was more like "this .is who I really am and this is how i really feel in the darkness of my soul.
I understand I can't save him. I get it I really do I just feel that my response that night was well..a bit narcissitic.
Thanks for listening and sharing.

midnight7's picture

Ns have only one purpose - to

Ns have only one purpose - to secure and abuse supply. Everything they do has an agenda, to manipulate, control and feed their emptiness and boost their already inflated egos - what better than the pity party routine? The xN I was in the relationship with was woe is me from day one - his mother, the loss of his father, all the women he'd known who'd treated him appallingly, his ambitions thwarted, his inner demons - let me wipe away a tear - not. You can feel sorry at first but that rubbish never stops and in my case went on for a decade. Fact is the xN revelled in it all, the attention from someone who cared and wanted to help (the present victim), the acquaintance in the street (bit of old primary supply there), the OW, the exOW, in reality he was extremely well off in every sense - the N had taken money, time, love from everyone who'd cared, was still exploiting his band of acolytes and anyone who'd stand still long enough to be abused. Do not feel sorry for a psychopath, they are consummate actors, chameleons, able to become anything, say anything at all to abuse the person in front of them and evil to the core.

You did exactly what was necessary to survive - you left so you could breathe, have peace, and live again - free.
You did the right thing.

aceonelady's picture

faith999....do not

Hi there...That's how my X N made me feel too....i felt his pain,i tried and did anything and everything to help him...i listened,i tried not too to show i pityed him,i helped all i could,even i was living in aother Continent,i went to his country,i am financial well,he is a very low paid Utility worker at a Housing Project,but a very bright,intellectual,handy guy.But emotionally an empty shell...i really neve looked down to him,when he would tell me he missed somebody like me that really talked and listened to him without being judgemental,i noticiced i was making a difference in his life...he seemed less depressed,and he told me he had a retrait from his work and that he wasn't going because he felt unsettled,i told him to go,and if he didn"t feel comfortable he could always leave....he went and later he thanked me for advising him to go....he was always working or home at the PC,never went out except for groceries and stuff that really was necessary...sudenlly ,he just dumped me,after 2 years,,,went NC on me...and now he sends emails telling me how his life is pointless,he rather have that he was never born,he feels like a manipulated puppet and all he wants and needs is his death...he is a good looking,intelligent 45 years old afro american,has 3 kids,and has just become a Grandad...i did everything to be with him,i supported him emotionally when he left the mother of children(not because of me)he got kicked out when his daughter went to the police saying hehad abused her(is a long history)And he just wrote me off,like a never existed...i went through hell with and for this man...and now he sends me these emails full of anguish and darkness...and why?i realy don't know...What i really knoew is that he do not want help...I am sorry,but me too,i am taking distace from this drama...i want to survive.All i know is that if i have been through a bad youth and life,if someone was good to me as i was to him,i would grab that person and that chance and hold on to it forever...but they don't ...they want to be miserable and drag us with them....do not feel guilty....Hughs.

shock and awe.some's picture

I like "If someone was good

I like "If someone was good to me as i was to him,i would grab that person and that chance and hold on to it forever...but they don't ...they want to be miserable and drag us with them... " That rings true for me. It's almost like they are trying to transplant our loving, giving, kind spirits into their empty pits of being. Like a horror movie. Only it's real & scary. I pray to God to give me strength to heal myself completely.

faith999's picture

Dear aceoneLady

Thank you for your response. I wanted to give you a quick response because I have been on this board a long time and remember your story.I remember it because your narc was so cruel to you and treated you with such disdain.
I also remember thinking you were such a lovely woman(you posted your pic at one time) and seemed to be lovely on the inside as well. There was a time you had posted that you had joined a gym and you were moving on with YOUR life.I hope this still holds true and you realize you are worth so much more than the crumbs that POS tossed
at you.:)

aceonelady's picture

faith999...Aceonelady

Thanks for your kind words...Yes,i am going on with my life and struggling still,but now i feel more peaceful inside...Like i said,i did love this man,and i also felt sorry for him,for his emptiness,and his false self...but i have to save myself...all i wish now is to get myself back,i was a very strong person,had a high self esteem and my motto was Everyday is a new start...Thank God i am re starting to catch glimpses of my old self,and thinking less and less what would he think if he saw me dressed like tis or that,or if i saw a good shaped woman i would think,'that is the type he would be able to have sex with,and cuddle and desire...now i am leaving those thoughts behind me...now i really see it wasn't me,was him...now he lives alone,and still full of negativity,and even complained to me that nobody can put up with him...is too bad for him,but is not my problem.He is sick.I almost died...i am a diabetic and have high blood pressure....my health did deteriorate because of this whole affair...now i am still feeling phisically weak,very tired i think that now my body is taking the rest that is neede to heal....Thank you very much for your words,i hope you will be ok.Do not let this creature destroy you.It will get better,but please do not pity him like i did,it will kill you.They are not worth and they don't care not about us,or their children and even themselves...Hughs

ichooselife's picture

I used to have alot of guilt over my narc

too. I am sooooo greatful that he showed me how cold he really was, just so that it was confirmed in my mind. Either mine wasnt very smart as far as putting on a good act, or he just didnt care enough to strain himself, but either way--he showed his true colors so many times.
Even then, for some reason my friend and family had to keep reminding me of things he said and did, and of his true nature and intentions, cause guilt comes knocking on my door now and then...i somehow forget that I have done nothing wrong, and that he is too NOT in love with me to be hurt.

These days, it takes less reminding than before, and much less often, for me to feel okay and see things clear again when that happens.Maybe you should post more often. Maybe youve tried to be strong too much too soon by yourself?

ichooselife's picture

Well I just read your other post about hoovering.....

and you said something about him being a covert narc?
It sounded like (in your other post)something was wrong with the way he treated you?

The thing that comes to my mind when I read this post here is that my narc used to talk alot to me about himself and his problems but had not much interest in me as a person, or even us as a couple.It was all about him. Is this how you felt? Infact,didnt you kind of say that?

Was yours passive-aggressive? Did he have a way of making you feel like a last priority?

Its hard for me to get a picture of what happened from what Ive read...

Armed's picture

Pity ploy

Mine did the same thing. I heard a long story about a miserable childhood, depression, drug abuse etc....they want you to pity them. The way you're feeling now was all apart of his plan. He knows you're empathetic and he used this quality to his advantage. They exploit our good qualities. You should never feel sorry for an N, he's not feeling sorry for anything he has done to you or anyone else. My ex used the pity ploy during a Hoover and it worked.

You can't save him, save yourself. He isn't your friend, so why be a loyal friend to him?

These guys are good, do not engage!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Pumpkin's picture

Armed, you have it so right.

You hit the nail on the head. They do this feel sorry for me thing, I've had such a crappy life. My childhood was awful, my exes were awful, everyone uses me. It's just an open invitation for us to jump in and fix them (because surely our love can cure all) puke. We will never betray them like everyone else has. Surely no one has understood them like we do. Well done, they now have someone that will blame all bad behaviour on all the people who have hurt them. Not them because they are just messed up.
And you are absolutely right again, they do not feel sorry for us, only them. They put us through hell and then wonder why we eventually get sick of it.
And then when you are so messed up and beyond making sense and just try to get away from them they trash you, make up lies about you, spread rumours and generally do their best to destroy you. And this person is who we should feel loyality towards? I think not.

Snowflake's picture

I think

that night you saw into his soul. Your soul spoke to you and told you you should not be with someone like that.

The labels help explain 'why' but in the end does it matter? The fact that they are like that means you shouldnt want a life like that.

None are prizes, none can be saved.

You live ONCE make it special x

faith999's picture

Yes Snowflake!!

Thank you so much for this reply. That is it. I did see into the "darkness of his soul" and I think my body and mind went ito self preservation mode.
And honestly this post wasn't about labels it was about me. What happened to me that night that caused such an inhumane reaction. Thank you again.

Sparrow's picture

What is so inhumane about

What is so inhumane about leaving someone? Did he have a gun to his head? What he standing on the ledge of a tall building? Was he crying out for help? No......there was no crying for help. Faith, I understand what you are asking, and honestly, I believe you when you say that he was not cruel, violent etc.........mine wasn't either. 15 years of bliss. He never reacted to anything in anegative way. He was as cool as a cucumber the entire time. I think back now and my goodness, he must have ran into the woods to scream behind my back, how could he have succeeded in being so calm? Because he is the best of the best.........you do NOT have to show that you are a terrible person, to be a terrible person.

Please try your best to resolve yourself to the fact that he is a con-artist, manipulator, a disordered person.

Another question........how many times did he reach out to afterwards, begging you for help or apologizing and trying to get back in your good graces?