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I went back into the fire and here I am back. Yes I learned once again that the more you go back the worse the devalue and discard is. I'm not sure I can recover from this one. I just don't feel I have the strength to make that climb again. I'm trying to think myself back to that empowered stage I was at before but I can't seem to do it. I just can't believe I'm I'm this place again and it feels so much worse.
I cannot tell you how many
February 4, 2012 - 5:45pm — StarLight (not verified)I cannot tell you how many times that I back~slid for over 7 years. Yes. I felt the same way each time that you do now. The mountain looked too high to climb again. That was an illusion on my part----as was my narc. I DID have the power. I NEVER LOST IT ! I GAVE him my power and I TOOK IT BACK. You can, too. Feel what you are feeling right now and then move through it. Give yourself time---and compassion. Take back the Love you gave away and give it to YOU. Blessings.
StarLight
indenial
February 4, 2012 - 5:24pm — ichooselifeThats okay. Every day is a new start.My dad said something to me one time that for some reason stuck in my mind, and now I'll say it to you--Don't worry, you'lle get your feel out of the mud some day.
You can't do it yourself. If you haven't yet and are able, I hope you go to a woman-advocacy place. You need alot of emotional support and have to be built-up again. Also maybe they can give you some really helpful tips.
Don't give up on yourself.
Indenial
January 16, 2012 - 10:51pm — RedheadOh hell, it's hard isn't it? Do not beat yourself up. You were trying to give your relationship every chance. Congratulations Friend....you did all you could & he failed. You will be fine. Someone recently told me that "this too shall pass...it just may hurt like a kidney stone while it does." one day at a time & stay with us here.
I'm sorry...
January 16, 2012 - 9:01pm — wannaletgo22it's so hard. Hang in there.
Don't despair...
January 16, 2012 - 7:34pm — juliamarieJust like an alcoholic or addict falls off the wagon, so does the addict to an emotionally abusive relationship. It's actually frustrating that you can't just be done with these people like a normal relationship. They are like a walking wine bottle to an alcoholic.
You will get to the point where enough is enough. Hopefully, this time is it for you. On a positive note, this is an amazing time for you to start over. It's the beginning of a new year. New year...new you! Life is great that way. When you fall off the wagon, you always get a "do over". This is yours.
I'm not undercutting the issue that it's going to be hard as hell to get through this again. But, you didn't lose all the knowledge you gained. You have an advantage this time. Don't beat yourself up. That serves absolutely NO purpose other than to prolong your recovery. Remind yourself that you're human....you went back just to make sure he's still an assclown. And he is. Good to know!
Thank you for your kind responses everyone
January 16, 2012 - 2:30pm — indenialI'm still reeling from the impact of the D&D right now. I didn't think it would hurt so much but it feels more acute than ever this time. And so I start the climb again but at least I have you all and you are all an inspiration to me
Hey there
January 16, 2012 - 12:35pm — IncognitoBurritoDon't feel so bad. I've never really been away. I can't, or I break NC. How sad is that? Sometimes I just lurk more, and try to practice what I read.
We've all danced with the devil. No one's going to shame you here.
The bottom is different for everyone.
The last, D&D, exN said,"Don't wait for me."
Perfect advice, straight from the horses mouth.
We can do this.
When the pain gets bad enough, you will grab a hold of recovery
January 16, 2012 - 11:46am — gratefuljenAnd never let it go.
What is you pain threshold? I know for me, I have had enough.
Hope you have too!
Love to you
Jen
I spent 20 years trying to
January 16, 2012 - 11:36am — Redhead1I spent 20 years trying to right a wrong (the Narc), waiting on him to grow up. So I won't be preachy, but he will not change. I hope you don't waste as much time as I did, because they are not worth the damage it is doing to you. You are going to have to fight with everything you have. You have got to shift your way of thinking. It is hard, but you can do it. Ask yourself, what good does he consistently give me? What does he bring to the table? Is he what I want in a relationship? Concentrate on his actions, not his words or your emotions. If you look solely at his actions, he will come up empty! in relationships, there are deal breakers, did he commit a deal breaker? Then he has to go for good. It's your life and your choices that matter, not his. You will have to stay NC to move forward. If you don't commit to NC, the rest will not come. You will not move forward. Its hard, but do it for you. NC NC NC
Sounds like you have an
January 16, 2012 - 7:36am — gettinbetterSounds like you have an addiction issue literally. You can be psychologicaly addicted to a person just as you can to any other substance.
Only one way out of this and its cold turkey and it wont be pleasant. I had one of the worst addiction issues on here. Im finally out of hell now some 18 months.
Read my post titled "Im dropping into say hi"
This is me too. I go to
January 16, 2012 - 8:23am — bgirlThis is me too.
I go to therapy twice a week.
I have been NC for 8 months.
My therapist cannot believe the hold he has on me, the power I have given him or the degree of my withdrawal symptoms for the time I was with him..
They are certain that if I hadn't got away....I never lived with him...that I would be very very sick or dead in less than a year.
There are some psychological/chemical collisions that are literally a death sentence.
My family said it was like I was in a cult. I had no feeling for anyone or anything (including my children) only for him.
It was just fate or God or luck that I logically knew I shouldn't leave my kids.
They saved me.
Years ago when I was with him
January 17, 2012 - 1:56am — gettinbetterYears ago when I was with him the first time, My family said the same thing. They could not believe the hold he had on me.
indenial
January 15, 2012 - 6:50pm — ruby01It's okay. It's not the end of the world. You just have to keep at it.
To give up, would mean to give up on yourself and you are not going to allow some douche bag abuser to convince you of the picture he has painted of you. It's an impostor.
The real you still exists under the surface turmoil that has been created. You are still real. You are loved and you are going to start your own crusade to help diminish the existence of abuse on this planet, by first stopping it in your life.
You HAVE to first trust in yourself completely and stop trusting him. He is a liar and he only wants to "win".
The ONLY way you can regain control of your life is by not allowing him to have it. Simple in theory, but as you know, difficult to do. NOT AT ALL IMPOSSIBLE.
Ask yourself if you lose him what exactly are you "losing"?
A relationship that is completely lopsided in power. One that your needs and desires go completely ignored,and one that exists sheerly through manipulation.
Now ask yourself if you continue to allow him in your life, what do you lose?
Your self esteem, moral fortitude,confidence and dignity. You lose your sense of self. YOU LOSE.
Have faith in yourself. Take a leap of faith and trust that you know what is right. Only you can stop this. You hold the key to your peace.
Come on. Start today 'cause that's what you have to work with, and take each day forward one at a time and constantly remind yourself you are loved and you count.
xxx/
Ruby
I've tried it all
January 15, 2012 - 6:19pm — indenialI must have been back at least 20 times in 19 months. Been in the relationship just under 3 years. I know what he is. I see what he is. There were all the red flags from the start but I keep going back to the fantasy. I say the right things. I do the the right things. He hoovers I ignore. He hoovers some more he turns up I see him I resist him and then all of a sudden the rose coloured glasses are back on and I want him. I feel like a hopeless addict. The trouble is as I was warned the more you go back the worse it gets and the worse you feel. I enjoy his hoovering. I think I can reject him but I can't and he knows it. I just want it to end before I end up with nothing
I enjoy his hoovering. I
January 16, 2012 - 3:15pm — TNR1I enjoy his hoovering. I think I can reject him but I can't and he knows it.
I think you are addicted to his hoovering. It's like getting a glipse at imaginary/idealization man again..back when you thought you had the upper hand and control (and wasn't that intoxicating!!). The problem with hoovering is that you can't just have the hoovering without also accepting the devaluation and discard that is part of the deal of being involved with a Narc. It's like your mind goes into this auto pilot of "This time, it will be different, this time I'll be in control". The problem is that when you are feeling that moment of euphoria it is so easy to forget that there is a downward spiral just around the corner. The only way to stop the roller coaster ride with the Narc is to leave the roller coaster..and that also means leaving behind the "perceived" good stuff (ie hoover). It doesn't really have anything to do with strength...it has to do with a choice not to engage. If he had no way to hoover you, then you wouldn't be triggered again....but I suspect you are reluctant to give this up. My therapist used to tell me, when there is more perceived bad than good, you will leave...until then, you will find a way to stay, no matter what I or anyone else tells you. I'm not sure what it will take for you to reach that place. I would highly recommend you find a free or low cost councelling center to work through this with...it's never a good idea to try to take this on by yourself because as you can see...you are really good at giving into his hoover attempts. You need someone you can call and speak with whenever the hoovering begins to snap you out of thinking that the end will be different this time. I would also recommend that if you are looking to get back together with him so that you can ultimately reject him....NC is actually the BEST way to reject the Narc and it doesn't require any interaction with him at all. NC=I don't need you...and Narcs hate that. If there are things that are left unprocessed and you need closure...there are ways that you can get the closure you need through imagery work that again, doesn't require any communication with the Narc at all.
I say these things because I too went back....twice. It is so easy to say that we understand that there are no happy endings with Narcs...but it another entirely to believe it. I wanted to be the exception...I'm sure you did too. There just aren't any exceptions unfortunately. They are who they are and that does not change.
HUGS.
I just want it to end before I end up with nothing
January 16, 2012 - 1:39pm — Done sourcingIndenial, you said this. But the truth is you started with nothing. He is a narc, no more and no less. Different words, different look, different skills and attributes, but a narc is a narc. And they are nothing...no thing! It is your heart, and your hope, that keeps it alive inside of you. In him is nothing, nada. You will get no thing from him except more of the same, nothing. Pain, chaos, worry, doubt, fear, loss. No validation, no love, no respect, no compassion nor empathy. He is a one way street, and you are driving against the traffic. Put it in reverse, go to the end of the block, and make a turn and drive away. You can do this now with a decision of no contact, no response. He has learned the dance of death with you, he knows if he keeps coming with the bullshit you will eventually cave, and then the cycle of supply can continue for him, and for you....you are addicted to this shit...abstinence is the only cure. Complete no contact and no response. It has become a black and white issue. Decide for you for a change. Pray for sanity to return to you. Give him back to the universe and let the universe deal with him. Let go of what you are holding onto so tightly. Trust that when healed from him you will be fine...but know that healing comes through a change in your behavior, and only you can change your behavior, he never will change from being a narc, only his victims will change. Stop being a victim, only you can stop it. It is now time to be sick and tired of being sick and tired.
ds
My friend,,What are we going
January 15, 2012 - 6:19pm — HunterMy friend,,What are we going to do about this??
Please take advantage of Goldie.. This is getting serious..
Hunter
Hi hunter
January 15, 2012 - 6:30pm — indenialI did speak to goldie and it did help. But I have money issues too so I can't afford ongoing therapy. I know it all in my head. I hope this is the last time But I'm really scared because I've been much stronger than this before and he still got in. I knew this would happen I can't deny that. I can't even understand myself. I just went back into total denial and within just over a week I caught him in a lie that I accepted and justified in my own head ! It's bad. I don't know what this block is that I have. I just wish I never had to see him again. I fear him both emotionally and physically and psychologically I'm lost again
indenial
February 4, 2012 - 5:56pm — fallingfowardSorry to hear you are going through all this. I am a newbie, here. But I too am fiancially strap, but one day I sat down and started calling around all the counseling centers. I found some that had a sliding fee. I will only have to pay very mininal, (like 9 dollars) and from I have heard it is a great place. I am trying to shift the focus off of him and onto me. I am not use to even applying for any form of aid, so it was hard for me to call and ask. The narc took 2 years of my life, and I am not giving him anymore time. Don't be afraid to take the next step, you worth it. It is an addiction, I have felt like I have gone through physical withdrawals, shaking, head spining et... Stay close to the forum, reread , and forgive yourself.
Hugs
indenial
January 15, 2012 - 6:07pm — onwithmylifedon't be too hard on yourself, I spent 5 of and on years with the exnrc and he dumped me say every 3-4 months, especially when things were going great with us, always to push me away, he could never make a commitment, too he was afraid i would abandon him first. My suggestion is to get into therapy with a knowledgeable person who understands these disorders and take it one day at a time and this time make it the LAST he will ever dumped you..............
If it's any consolation, I
January 15, 2012 - 5:15pm — nadine31If it's any consolation, I went back three times. The D&D would happen every time. Plus, he had been sleeping with other women for the entire relationship (of which I was unaware). It's my one biggest regret I didn't dump him the first time he dumped me out of the blue, a fews in. Instead I hung around for a year.
Typo
January 15, 2012 - 5:16pm — nadine31* a few weeks in
Been there done that
January 15, 2012 - 12:19pm — walking_on_sunshineBeen there done that. Like Ive said to other woman, i wish i could give you my experience instead of just my advice, just for a day, and then you would know never to go back ever ever again.
NC day one? Don't beat yourself up... just start again. Sometimes we need to dip to re - validate. I dipped till I drowned. Please don't do the same, you deserve better.