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Well, we've done it! We now have a forum for victims of female narcissists.
While we know that 75% of narcissists are men, I personally believe this is simply because men have more opportunities to be in a position of power to abuse it.
Of course women are more nurturing than men, but that doesn't mean all women are good natured and kind. Far from it. I'm sure the stories here will open our eyes quite a bit.
Narcissism is the abuse of power in any relationship. Whether that be a romantic relationship, a family relationship or even a work relationship, we all know female narcissists exist and can be cunningly cruel.
Female narcissists tend to use their physical assets to manipulate and control their victims more than male narcissists. This is not to say that male narcissists do not do this, but simply that men tend to use fear and power to manipulate. Women who are narcissistic often use their sexual prowess to seduce, control and manipulate. If a woman is in a position of power, such as head of the family or your boss at work, she obviously does not need to use her physical assets.
The important thing to remember whether male or female is that all narcissists use relationships as a means to an end. They see others as pawns to be used in their quest for glory, power, praise or domination. That is why we are here. No one understands what it's like to try to live with a narcissist unless they have been through it themselves. Together, we relate to one another on a level no one else can.
Prem is the male moderator for this forum. He will share his story with you in time. It is my hope that creating a safe place for victims of female narcissists will provide support and relief to the many who suffer and further our overall cause of building awareness.
Love & Light,
Lisa
Hi Lisa
October 9, 2011 - 4:30pm — imablokeWell you have finally one it.. its nice to know that us blokeys aren't alone. I've been no contact for over a year now... and she's still not completely out of my system. Don't think she ever will be, really. But on the positive note i'm one hell of alot happy than this time last year!
I hardly think about her at all and when i do i just think she's the one that's lost. And 'lost' is a good word to describe these people (n's) because they just go on hurting people that really matter to them.
Anyway I thought i would drop by, say hello. And anyone reading this, you won't go far wrong in staying with this site.. its bang on, whatever your gender. This site has been a massive help to me.
Thanks Lisa
Graham x
Thank you
July 23, 2011 - 1:28pm — jackguyThank you Lisa & all. It is very considerate of you to do this. And it will be very helpful.
Oh thank you so
July 22, 2011 - 3:57pm — kgirlOh thank you so much!!!....this is wonderful :)
XoXo ~KG
This is fantastic Lisa, now we have a place of healing
July 22, 2011 - 11:03am — goldiewhere we can reach both men and women. Also we do address ALL the personality disorders. I will include a link so you can read a more detailed description of the other PD's and as Lisa said there are more diagnoised male narcissists. Women traditionally tend to be more borderline and histrionic.
Most all of the PD's do in fact include Narcissistic features and components, therefore, you may see the narcissistic traits in them as well. Also a PD can have traits of other PD's without necessarily having that disorder full blown. They usually have a primary diagnosis and then can have features of one or more of the other PD's. This is why it is important to read the links and see what fits for the PD whom you know.
Self absorption and difficulty with intimacy, push pull, I love you; I hate you, lack of empathy for YOUR needs, sexual promiscuity in some, mood swings, which makes it difficult to have a give and take relationship or shall I say nearly impossible. We all know the drill; with a PD you never know from day to day what you are going to get.
Any question? Jump in when you are ready to get your feet wet and we will be happy to respond with our experiences dealing with the PD's ourselves. Everyone on here has been involved with a PD and we are all in various stages of recovery.
I am one of the moderators and will gladly listen, respond, and point you in a direction which may be helpful for you.
Welcome to the site and I wish you all the very best in your recovery and healing from the adverse effects of a PD. We welcome all who have had relationships with PD's, parents, coworkers, children, romantic, platonic, we all need help sorting out the trainwreck that just hit us or the one we are still dealing with in our lives. This hurts, it is confusing, and support is a huge part of recoverering from or living with a PD.
Schizoid personality disorder
Avoidant personality disorder
Borderline personality disorder
Schizotypal personality disorder
Paranoid personality disorder
Antisocial personality disorder
Dependent personality disorder
Histrionic personality disorder
Narcissistic personality disorder
God bless,
Goldie
http://www.healthline.com/channel/personality-disorder.html?utm_account=...
questioning reality
October 1, 2011 - 4:38pm — brewerThank you for creating this forum. I came across it over the past week while educating myself on NPD, and I'm really grateful for the chance to read about the experiences that others have struggled to overcome. I had never heard of NPD before (not being a psychologist) and most of what is written is about abusive men, lotharios, power-mad CEOs and the wake of destruction they leave behind them. I'm not that kind of man, but I'm not passive or co-dependent either.
I want to share my story for two reasons. The first is that I need to get it out, to know that I am neither dreaming it up nor am I alone. The second is to make other men aware that this can happen to them, even if they are happily married and are not co-dependent personalities, drawn to dominant people. I learned, to my horror, that compassion, combined with bad timing, is perfectly sufficient to suck you into becoming Narc Supply. I have survived so far because before I knew what I was up against, I at least knew that my Narc (let's call her Mandy) was behaving abnormally, and that almost certainly something was very wrong with her. These instincts (which I trust implicitly) flew in the face of her most engaging attempts to hook me, but there were plenty of warning signs along the way (jealousy, entitlement, grandiosity, lack of empathy, attraction to power and control, outright lies about her personal history) that caught my attention.
Mandy is a gorgeous, intelligent and very interesting woman with an unusually expressive face, and can be vivacious when she wants to be, secretive or haughtily dismissive when she doesn't. She is a mystery to most of her peers. Superficially, she is every bit the "prize" that many women on this blog have described their male narcs to be. She has a hovering husband, who either is lost in denial or is hopelessly attached to her. I met her in the work place... although we do not work together, and the power dynamic between us is dangerous (I hold a higher position, but she works with powerful people and could use that to entrap and wound if she saw fit). She initiated the connection with me through bold but furtive smiles and attempts to gain my attention, without actually talking to me, wanting me to pursue her, which I did not do. When we did eventually meet, which was charged with intensity, she was not put off by my references to wife and family; instead she promoted herself aggressively, almost recklessly. But what I could not avoid/resist was that pathos-laden smile. Nobody had ever looked at me with that combination of hurt, longing, need, and I was going through a tough time and responded emotionally to the need to be needed. But the body language was strangling me, and I could not work. I invited her out to break the tension and was shocked by the change: she showed up dressed to kill, but hardly looked at me. That tortured smile was replaced by the cool gaze of a predator about to make a kill. Many of you have referred to this as the moment when "the mask comes off", and it shocked me with its audacity. I made myself as un-sexy as possible, talked about my struggles, asked about her family and interests and made it clear that i was not whisking her off to a tryst. She took it badly and disappeared shortly thereafter, and we did not see each other again for several months. I expected it to be long forgotten when we did, a conquest that didn't happen. But it wasn't. She behaved as if she was deeply wounded, altered her circulation patterns to avoid me, and acted hurt when we did see each other. Eventually I reached out to her, again to break the tension, and she surprised me by being completely willing to talk to me, totally composed and confident, as if nothing had happened. We slowly found ways to have short conversations, about a month apart, always ended by her after 5 minutes or so. I just wanted her to relax around me and to be able to work in the same building. But while she publicly either pretended not to know me or gave me looks of fear/distrust, when we did encounter each other privately she was completely, disarmingly comfortable, even friendly. But I noticed two strange things. Mandy never reciprocated or shared anything about herself, nor did she ever honestly express empathy for anyone else. There was an emotional black hole in her that terrified me. The other thing was that she seemed happy to speak with me when she was doing so, but afterwards acted as if we hadn't spoken; there was no way to build on any progress, no way to reach any mutual respect. The last conversation we had was really friendly and humorous, and then she avoided / ignored me for three months. I think, now, that the chemistry is all an act, and that she's an incredible actress, even able to fake a blush. She must be to survive without the ability to feel. She has never in almost 2 years addressed me by my name, just swoops in when she wants to and ignores me when she doesn't (again, the entitlement). And Mandy's very clever at it. There are no witnesses, ever.
For the longest time I was just completely confused: what kind of person invites themselves into a stranger's life and miscommunicates with such baffling signals? I wasn't uncritical of myself... once I had turned her down, why did I feel so hurt and violated? What did I hope to accomplish by reaching out to her? Why did I desperately want her to be a real person (or a victim of a predator) when all of my instincts identified her as a remorseless predator? Why did I think I could change that by treating her with respect and interest, having deprived her of a chance to conquer me? The one time I tried to confront her about all of this, she glared at me as if I had asked her to fly to Mars with me. Complete stonewall.
I didn't understand any of this (and very few of my friends have understood this) until I began reading this site and Sam Vaknin's site. I'm somewhere between the gobsmacked "I must have been out of my mind" phase and the angry "Sigourney Weaver fighting back against the Alien" phase. I have accepted that there is no middle ground, and maybe now that Mandy feels that she has me safely under control she can find Narc Supply elsewhere. I should feel grateful for that. I'm doing my best to reduce / eliminate contact, and I think that realistically I cannot hope for anything more than the present stalemate. But it has been mentally, spiritually and emotionally exhausting, a marathon chess match with no closure. Its her presence in my mind, more than her physical presence in my work place, that is the most disturbing thing, and of course, the most difficult to understand or explain. So I am really grateful to read that this is a hallmark of most NPD "victims", and requires the most concerted effort to overcome and move on.
It could have been much worse for me. I didn't compromise myself, my job or my family. But I lost some of my soul and I remain incredulous that I could have walked the earth for so long without even knowing that people like Mandy exist. For far too long I asked "why me? was I targeted? what did I do to bring this on?" But now I can accept that I was just in the way, and it wasn't even personal. Deep down I understand that it must be so empty to be her, to suck men dry and discard them and torture her husband and pretend to be real and keep moving on, hoping to keep fooling everyone. I'm left with the irony that someone so deserving of compassion so abused mine. I'm not ashamed to have felt for her, just exhausted from having had to wrestle with and share her madness. And I want my life and mind and heart back.
I'd appreciate constructive comments, even criticisms, but mostly the chance to get it off my chest and know that I'm not alone.
Narcissistic Friends
March 15, 2012 - 5:53pm — MitsyI shared my story about my former friend on the other blog under Share Your Story. I had never thought of this friend as narcissistic until I started reading info online about narcissistic people. In my mind, I also tended to believe it was mostly males who had this disorder. And while I believe my former friend's guy is a true narcissist, I also believe she's the female version for other people. She doesn't have the guts to tell her abusive guy where to go but she will pull all kinds of mind games & manipulation with co-workers and, indeed, her "friends" like myself.
Her selfishness really stood out this past year when I got more work hours than she did at our part-time jobs. We both have day jobs & moonlight in a store. I have more open availability than she does, so I get more hours regardless. She, on the other hand, complains about not enough hours but doesn't want to work on the weekends because that would eat into her social time with her guy or her kids. She can't have it both ways. Everyone who works there on the weekends gives up their free time in order to have a paycheck. I would much rather be at home on a Fri. or Sat. night but I'm always at work. This former friend has been nasty to me about the scheduling issues and I've seen her be hateful towards other co-workers who didn't deserve her venom. It was this last scheduling deal that was the nail in the coffin of our friendship. She truly did not want me to get more hours simply because she wasn't getting as many hours--didn't matter that she wasn't available the same amount of time as me.
She has had a habit of making things "all about her" and she seems to have little conscience as she thinks that if she's nasty to people one night, the next time you see her, she can re-set the dial to zero and you're supposed to forget how she treated you the last time. I saw that behavior in action myself towards others. That is a sure sign of a toxic person. They don't seem to have empathy, sorrow for their behavior or an ability to see that their past behavior affects how people view them now. Lack of conscience or selective conscience? You be the judge.
Adding to Brewer's experience
March 2, 2012 - 11:40am — froggyIt is truly remarkable to come across this description of the evolution and consequences of your interaction with "Mandy." I could have written the same story. The strange and disturbing aloofness in public...the active seduction... ( "I love you"..."I want to sleep with you..."...etc ...)...her requests for help/support/etc ...
In my case, the honeymoon period was followed by progressive episodes of behavior towards me that I would never have tolerated from anyone..
I'm a successful man, with a beautiful family. I have worked with women throughout my career and have been faithful to my wife through a long marriage. This woman (let's call her " Sara") was the first to get "into me."
I could go on about my story, but I'm now in a period of NC after almost 3 years of a "relationship." Like you, I could not understand the hold that Sara had on me, my mind, my heart... I felt that I had found my true love...that she was more attractive than any woman I had ever known..that I would lose her if I didn't keep her happy..never sure from one day to the next whether or not she was happy...constantly emailing..forever lying to my wife...gradual erosion of my moral structure..ugh!
I would love to hear how your story unfolded, Brewer.