Do you recall the early dating stages w/your ex's?

Do you recall the early dating stages w/your ex's?
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Sorry...but needed to voice this tonight, as it may help those of you are still trying to make sense of things.

I'm dating someone now. And when I compare it to the ex N...it's like comparing a pickle to a zebra. I mean...no comparison. My new guy is thoughtful, smart, good listener...and want what's best for me. He is not selfish. Yet, he has that sexy edgy side that I do like in a guy. Something also to note...is we don't spend every waking moment together. We do go away sometimes. I do spend the night at his place. But, we are not attached at the hip.

Take my ex N and his new girl. He just started dating her, and is spending every waking moment with her. I look back to he and I...and we had a long distance thing, but every moment was on the phone with each other. Or texting. And it wasn't me who started that. He did. Then, when I got 'used' to that...he backed off. And then the games and abuse began, shortly after I love you was uttered.

And I thought today. Hmmm. The reason they do this. Is because they a) they want supply but more than that b) they want to infiltrate themselves into someone's life. It's almost like you're not dating them. It's almost like you go from not knowing each other...to husband and wife. lol Seriously. I remember him calling me 'wife.' The thing is that is not normal. They do go to the movies, etc. But, they have to consume themselves with you...and they want you consumed with them. More the latter than anything. They want to consume your life. Not date, but consume.

I just wondered if anyone looks back to their early dating days with their ex's...and recalls being absolutely consumed by them...like it went from barely knowing them, to all-consuming??

Journey's picture

Thanks! This is reminding me

Thanks! This is reminding me again that my ex WAS a predator. Reading the other comments below, I had the same experience - all consuming - especially in the beginning, but also throughout the relationship.

So many other things too related here by others in this thread. I thought all his attention was because he was in love with me. I was such a fool believing that was what was happening for him, just because it was happening for me.

It was so intense and I'd never experienced any thing like it before and for my own sake, I'll make sure I never do again.

deecbee's picture

Great topic and really good

Great topic and really good responses in here.

I was friends with the N before anything more, but I have a feeling he knew exactly what he was after from day one. Eventually his attempts to woo me became more obvious. He finally came out and said that he liked me and wanted a relationship, and the instant I verbally reciprocated was the kiss of death for his "nice side". Up until that point, I had never really seen any negative behaviors. But once I had let it be known in no uncertain terms that I liked him back, he let the mask slip. He did try to fast-forward and I was reluctant to move as quickly, so he'd get frustrated and show his ass quite often.

The bad, narc-y behavior was turned up a notch when we began exchanging "I love you" regularly. It came in waves, with each wave getting progressively worse.

The ultimate kiss of death was when we started talking about our life together after he finishes grad school. It was HIS idea in the first place. He kept bringing it up, and eventually I started getting really excited about it. We talked about traveling the US in the summer (now) to find the perfect spot to buy a home and start a family. We were researching different places, talking about kids, marriage. As soon as he knew that I wanted all of that, he pulled the rug out from under me and stopped talking to me OVERNIGHT and started dating a girl 10 yrs younger than him in his class (that he is with to this day).

He's doing the same with her. She didn't want a serious relationship, only a fling. He hooked her with sex (a story in and of itself) and then begged and bullied her into changing her relationship status on FB. Now he is working fast and furious to isolate her from her friends and classmates, saying she has to either choose him or them. Now that her own father doesn't like him, he's got another challenge ahead of him that he's currently working on. I have a feeling he wont win this one.

SoaperGirl's picture

What are the ‘red flags’ in a relationship a professional looks

What are the ‘red flags’ in a relationship a professional looks for?

By: Sandra L. Brown, M.A.

Author of: How to Spot a Dangerous Man Before You Get Involved

http://www.womens-last-resort.com/howtospotadangerousman.htm

* Pacing of the relationship. If its 24/7 it’s not that he’s “just that into you.” Pathological men have agendas about getting the relationship to appear ‘intense’ and ‘deep’ quickly. They want to usher you into the middle of the relationship before you figure out his agenda or respond to your own red flags.

Predators have told me in group that their move is to ‘sweep them off their feet’ by overwhelming them with intensity of emotion, time, and gifts. Women who get into intense relationships in which quickly they are seeing each other constantly, not having an outside life, and have the sensation of being ‘breathless’ from the pace of the relationship are often with a dangerous man.

Many different types of dangerous men often try to move in quickly or marry quickly. Both of which should be a red flag to a woman. Women should always be in charge of the pace of the relationship which should be SLOW. Women should also change the pace of the relationship and see how he responds. Normal men accept that you ask for more time to yourself, dangerous men do not. They guilt and shame you into keeping the pace at THEIR rate, not yours.

mystwoman's picture

Oh yes, this is exactly how

Oh yes, this is exactly how it was when I first met xnh (and we were just friends for almost two years). He went from a co-worker that I'd met at a "good-bye" luncheon for work to coming into my office multiple time per day, pushing me to eat lunch with him every day, and calling after work every night. I lived 65 miles from work so these calls were all long distance, and his wife (justifiably so) had a fit when she saw the phone bill.

Then xnh managed to "arrange" it so that he began playing in my car pool's husband's bad. They lived about a mile from my house. This meant that xnh started going to their house multiple times per week, and he seemed to think it was perfectly fine to stop by my house (unannounced) on the way back home to his wife at 11p.m. or midnight after his band practice. Incidentally, I did not see this as "perfectly fine", and I very quickly pointed out to xnh that if my lights were not on when he drove by, that it meant that I was in BED ASLEEP, and definitely did not want comapany at that hour. Of course, he turned into the "poor, little victim" and tried to act all wounded that I'd said anything to him about his behavior. I should have caught THAT red flag. It was one of the first ones (in a LONG series of them) that I missed.

After about two years, xnh left his wife (though I DID notice that he still stayed legally separated instead of divorced, and he maintained daily contact with her "because of his kids". Looking back, xnh was still stringing his wife along (aka, he was hanging onto his old NS while he secured the new). At this time, xnh started really pushing me hard to date him. I remember feeling overwhelmed by him and thinking to myself, "Well, if I go out with him once, it doesn't mean that I'm stuck marrying him." Yeah right, and pigs fly, too. It really bothered me that he was still NOT completely divorced. I should have listened to my instincts and stuck by personal values here. They were correct. Once I went out with him, he stuck to me like stink on poop. It was like xnh infiltrated my life in every aspect. He either wanted me constantly in his presence, talking to him on the phone, or to know what I was doing every waking second. If I did manage to go out with my sister or friends, it was like the Spanish Inquisition when I returned. What did you do? Where did you go? Who did you see? How long did it take? What time did you do it?

I remember feeling like I went from a happy, single independent woman that had been that way many years, to my life being totally consumed by xnh. He quickly started wanting to spend every night with me as well as every waking moment when we got romantically involved. I swear to God that I felt the only part of my life that I remained alone with myself was in my thoughts and dreams in my sleep. After so long, he managed to even infiltrate that. I was in such a huge FOG for years with him, and had nightmares every night for MONTHS after he dumped me.

Your term "consumed" describes what happened perfectly. I used to use the word "overwhelmed", but I think "consumed" fits it better.

Lisa87's picture

Consume....oh yes

Yup thats what mine was like, after 3rd date we were attached at the hip (his doing) and everytime we would fly together etc I was called Mrs. Walker, you sort of get used to that and now dating is so different, I expect the same and its not happening. I did get tons of respect and admiration in the beginning, all the charm you could imagine to make me fall deep in love...and damn straight it worked!! Once we got closer and closer, thats when things started to unravel.......ugh can't even think about it.

Deidre40's picture

Thanks for sharing

Thanks for sharing everyone.

I think the reason behind this all consuming behavior to get us hooked. And frankly, I was in a vulnerable state when he met me. So, to have someone who wanted such attention, etc...it made me 'feel' loved. But, love doesn't put a strangle hold over people. Love doesn't rush itself or intrude. I felt like my life had been overrun by him...he took over. So, when that drama is over, life can feel dull...you feel like all others after him, should be that intense.

But, now that the dust has settled, I see that it was just a ploy to consume me...and make me 'his.' He wasn't interested in a mutually rewarding relationship. He was interested in consuming my life, and making me dependent on him.

naive46's picture

Consume....spot on.

"They want to consume your life. Not date, but consume."

I really like this one. My relationship was long distance but this still is so applicable. We were high school friends and reconnected via FB. As I have reconnected with many old friends, he was different. We exchanged a few emails and then he called me. (It's been awhile...I think we exchanged phone numbers but I thought it was more "informational/in case we want to get a group together when in our home town" kind of thing.) He kept calling me. I recall he called me early on at work at "wanted to hear my voice". (Now I know it was narc speak -- he needed an ego boost of course.)

He came on so strong...within 2 weeks I was crying after we talked/ texted as I wanted to be with him so badly. (That is so NOT ME. I'm a compassionate type but I don't cry over guys...really.) So this post reminded me of how this whole thing started so fast I didn't have time to think. I thought it was exciting that someone wanted me in their life so badly.

I realize now he just wanted as much of me as I'd give. If I gave him an inch, he'd take a foot. He continously would test my boundaries by talking about "us" or what we'd do together.

If this helps someone, I'll be happy to add...during this frenzy I ignored red flags. Here are a few...
-his conversations were shallow and about him. He is actually boring and no depth to his personality.
-he was recently divorced, said he took his wife and kids for granted, travelled a lot for work, saw his girls maybe 2 times a month.
-his texts became very sexual very quickly. He hadn't seen me since high school except for FB photos. Ironically my FB photos were all 20 lb. more than what I looked like at the time....it wasn't as all about "me" or how I "looked"...it was about the attention I'd give him.
-he was moody but I realized when he called, emailed me, or texted first, it was always more on a "high". If I called or texted first his responses were more negative/moody downer. I think now, he was also conditioning me to not contact him first and to let him control when we communicated.

Since then I've communicated with another OW as we both learned he juggled several during the time he was with us. She lived locally and said when he was in town, he expected to be with her 24/7. She shares custody of her kids with her ex and our N expected every minute of her free time to be doted on him. So....I didn't get the physical part of that LD.

I've also seen, since then, women drop off his FB page like flies.

Glad it is so over. It was so emotionally draining and I realized in the end I got nothing from the deal.

Lobo555's picture

CharlieSheenWinning DID go

CharlieSheenWinning DID go from not knowing someone to becoming husband and wife! :) I broke it off with him and the very next day he got together with Mrs. Winning, 3 weeks later they were hitched. He'd only met her once before, so all told, knew her for 3 weeks (and one day) before the nuptials.

I never had the all-consuming blanket of obsession from CharlieSheenWinning. I knew him for a couple of years before we had sex. And when we did start having sex, he made it clear that it wasn't a "relationship" but only "fun." Fun meant on/off, inconsistent, unreliable. Turns out there's not much fun in that noise!

Gerri's picture

Totally

We met on New Years Eve - I lived in Manchester Uk and he London. He moved to be with me in Manchester within 2 weeks of our relationship and we moved in after 2 months!! E-mails constantly at work 15/20 a day. Totally intense!!

Never again will I do this - I will take it slow and completely keep my own space.

I've learnt an amazing lesson through all of this - I almost feel like I was meant to have had this experience and am more educated compared to people who haven't. xxx

Littleone's picture

Yep yep yep! He would ring me

Yep yep yep!
He would ring me several times a day and text me heaps.
Then when he had me hooked, he backed off.
I of course chased him and the first D&D began...

Shareebles's picture

Mine was also very consuming.

Mine was also very consuming. We would talk on the phone til very late at night, and text most of the day. I was still in school so Id only be able to see him once a week, but my weekends revolved around when he was free to catch up with me.
He used to also talk to me on skype a lot but later in the relationship he said "yeah i was getting sick of that anyway".

Soon, he became reluctant to reply to my texts and would only call me at night (I didnt complain though, thats okay).

And eventually making plans with me was a hassle, a burden. I found out from a friend of his that one time when i was texting him, he was rolling his eyes and saying i was annoying and not replying..when he used to get angry at me if i simply switched my phone off while i was studying!!! Whenever I came over to his house, hed make me go home before dark because he 'needed to study'. BS! He spent so much time at home doing nothing all the time.

Eventually he started calling me clingy, which i know is complete crap because I usually spoke to him once a day, only got to see him once a week and let him do what ever he wanted when he wanted.

Before we liked each other, we barely knew each other. so yes, from barely knowing each other to consumed to ditched.

Cant wait to be over him.

Shareebles's picture

Oh and.. I started seeing

Oh and..
I started seeing someone who was PERFECT.
he was so nice, literally treated me like a princess. He bought me tickets to my favourite musical, he complimented me, loved making me smile, loved talking to me whenever.

but the emotional baggage from my ex-N was too much and i lost the attraction and i had to end it :(

dazed's picture

Mine was very consuming.

Mine was very consuming. Emails, texts and phone calls. We also worked together. It was absolute overload. Never had that before and it was intoxicating that someone wanted to talk to and be with me that much. Now that we have split I really do sense the peace. Everything was chaotic with her--too much drama all the time. Good riddance.

TraumaMamma's picture

Yes...although I am dodging the dating thing

They do consume your time. Want to be with you like crazy and occupy every spare minute of your day.

And just like you said, after they get in, they back off and the games do start.

Now, I am dodging the dating bullet at this time. My senses are at an all time high, no thanks to the N, for anyone who is not respecting ANY of my personal boundaries anymore.

In my profession, I have many, many guys friends and aquaintances and a few have asked me out, with undercurrents of dating to which I have boldly stated I have no desire at this time. I got nothing to give. And they seem to think I am not serious and keep asking.

As I have left my N I have learned to love my solitude more than anything else. Dating him, my life was such a blur. I never had anything for myself.

He practically lived at my house. My whole routine was turned upside down from my sleep schedule (I work nites) to not having my coffee pot programmed when I got up, because he was too lazy to do it when he left)

I have enjoyed the peace that has re-entered my life.

Deidre40's picture

Hi TM! I really like how you

Hi TM!

I really like how you say this...you're enjoying the peace that has reentered your life.

Sometimes I wonder if I jumped in too quickly into dating...but, this is a long time friend turned romantic. And again, unlike the narc relationship...it's not all consuming. At first, it was an adjustment. I thought...shouldn't it be all consuming? Narcs make everything right, wrong...everything wrong seems right...you know?

I appreciate your reply. It feels good to not be alone with my feelings and memories with all this.

TraumaMamma's picture

I wanted so badly to just be loved.and adored

And a Narc is more than happy to completely sweep you off your feet.

And then they smother and consume you.

There was no balance.

I was taking on more housework, more laundry, my water bill was doubling, I was cooking more than I ever did (and often due to my schedule I just don't cook much for myself...)

I found it just exhausting to do every single day.

The other thing I found maddening was that I let him control my dogs. One of them is actually a therapy dog!! We do nursing home visits, etc.

One of my dogs is a therapy dog. I enjoy them sleeping with me and on my couch with me. It comforts me. It was a huge thing to be able to take them with me upon my divorce.

When he was there, the dogs were not allowed on the furniture. Or on the bed.

I really don't care. ;)

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y35/TraumaMamma/Stinkies/000_0249.jpg

When he left? My little white bullie is now spooning me again under the covers and her sister is at my feet as she gets too hot.

They were there before you. No one else I ever dated disliked them on the couch, in fact, they LOVED that the dogs were so snuggly.

cindy222's picture

yes, I recall the all consuming faze

It started with me on the 2nd date.
Txtn me all the time.
Hours talking on the phone.

One thing I didn't pick up was that everytime we arranged to go out, he would always be atleast hrs late.
He never said anything, just turned up, and stupidly I didn't say anything either.
I use to get angry when I was waiting, but I never said anything when he arrived.

Ha, isnt it amazing what we block out!

Yep, they are all on until the 'I love you'
I heard the words within a month.

Shareebles's picture

Oh my! this is exactly the

Oh my! this is exactly the same as my story!
I would wait around for him, sneakily watching the window, getting anxious but angry. but then as soon as i saw him id forget!

He used to always say he wasnt lovey dovey, but then he said 'I love you' in the third week....then he took it back because he 'wasn't ready for that'.

Then a week or so later, he said it again and said he meant it. And then the games started.