"Layers of Deceit" - Lies, Lies and more Lies

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#1 Mar 27 - 8PM
loveofmylife
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"Layers of Deceit" - Lies, Lies and more Lies

Agnusmurphy will be able to relate to this. I know you have posted to many people that as more time passes, you see more and more layers of deceit. The lies are just so unbelievable.

Well, I have certainly seen that to be the case. And today's deceit that I discovered has made me feel dizzy all day long. I feel like my reality is so messed up and that I am so disoriented. This person who I considered my closest relationship for over 20 years... Every time a new lie surfaces it makes me question my last 20 years of reality.

Well, today was a doozy.. Thanks to facebook, all kinds of things can be learned.

About three years ago, N called me to talk about his sister's husbands' passing. The brother in law was 50...N's sister was driving their car on vacation. The BIL had a terminal illness and told her that if he had a heart attack, just let him die - don't take him to a hospital, because he just wants to die. So N calls to tell me that his sister called and talked to him on the entire 4 hour trip, while her husband was having a heart attack and that he died in the car... and he was "such a great big brother" for talking to her for that entire 4 hours to calm her down and support her. And then he flew out to Michigan for the funeral and to support her during the whole process. That she had four girls and it was going to be tough for her...but he is a great uncle to those four girls and will help them get through this.

We talked on the phone for 3 - 4 hours that day and the next while he basically made himself look like such a great guy for being so supportive during this tragedy.

Well, guess what? In my facebook browsing today... HIS SISTER'S HUSBAND IS STILL ALIVE! NOT ONLY THAT, BUT HE IS WORKING AT N's OLD COMPANY!!!!!!

OH - MY - GOD! How could he lie about that!???? Did he think I would never find out?!!!! And it wasn't a little lie - it was HOURS of conversation!!!!! Certainly he knew we would never be together long term...because that is not really a lie that you can cover up!

So have any of you felt this way? When you learn of enormous, pathological lies like this...that your reality is all messed up and you just feel dizzy???

I have felt like I am going to throw up all day long.

This is unreal.

May 15 - 9PM
Deidre99
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If you stop facebook

Apr 28 - 3PM
Narcphobia
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OMG

Mar 29 - 8PM
Timehelps2
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Here's a funny one

I asked about a situation that happened at work and he made up this huge very detailed story which I was so stunned I didn't interupt until the end and said "That isn't what happened at all. I was there and it happened this way (told story)". Which he then realized and remembered I was there. He said "oh my god is this what happens to your brain when you smoke too much pot in the past?!" I guess that's all he could pull out when really caught head on in a story with tons of made up details that he couldn't explain away. I wonder how many times he used that one.
Mar 29 - 8PM
Hunter
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LOMF

OMG! That is a riot, What a weird ass! All the more reason to be glad he is someone else's problem.
Mar 29 - 5PM
Goldie
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lol, what a bastard

Yes, they sure can. My X lied like that all the time. The mother was in a car accident, the grandmother has just about died on several occasions. His boss is a tirant and makes him stay at work until late, even though everyone else in that profession leaves work on time. He falls, cuts himself, hurts himself, everyone he knows has been in major car accidents. He loses his phone, it is shut off, the battery is dead. He has car trouble consistantly, yet is an auto mechanic. He has 4 different facebook accounts which he knows nothing about. There are only two people in the entire country with his name and the other guy is normal, so they are not his. All his X girlfriends abused him. They really are the devil when it comes to the lying thing, no consciense whatsoever. The lies just seem to flow with no consideration as to whether they can be detected or not, it seems to be all about getting what they want at the time with no regard towards the future. PATHETIC FREAKS is what they are. What a creep!!! God bless, Goldie
Mar 28 - 10AM
neverlookback
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I once wrote a topic

on his LIES, nobody ever read it though, ha ha ha LIES LIES LIES I think it was under. They lie like they breathe air, I have to share just one lie of his, please let me, everything he uttered was a TOTAL LIE but this one is funny, so have a good laugh ladies. I called him at 1am because that night I didnt hear from him and he usually called me after work like clockword, so I called and called and he FINALLY answered, I said, hey whats up I have been calling since 10:00 and he said oh I am sleeping I just got done vaccuming so I didnt hear the phone ring, mmmmm you were vacuming your home at 1 in the morning gee and I guess you forgot to check your messages on your cell phone too while you were at it. I mean WTF, he was screwing another woman and he could not be interrupted is more like it. I always knew when he was on vacation too because I could not hear the disbatch radio in his squad car when he called me while on duty, so for about a week I didnt hear any activity in his squad car total silence in the background, one time I said, so how are you enjoying your vacation and the dumb ass said, HOW dare you call and check to see if I am at work, ha ha what a dumb ass I never called to see if he was on duty he just gave himself away, I JUST KNEW from his calls and how short they were and the times he called. You see ladies no matter how good of a liar they are, even the BEST of the liars cant always fool you, so I just pretended I believed him and made him look like an ass and he didnt even know it. I really felt kind of sorry for him when his lies didnt fool me any longer, I thought you just keep on trying though god love ya in your deformed state of being. I see now he was really no match for me, oh naturally in the beginning because I was so taken with his act I believed what he said but once that mask was gone HE WAS HAD, I WAS ON TO EVERY SINGLE LIE he ever told me, I would ask him the same question a month later and I would get a different answer, ha ha ha and I have a memory like you would not believe, I remember what he even wore the first night we were together 4 years ago, HONEST. I am not lying, ha ha ha Dont bother asking them any questions because the answer will be a lie, even if you ask them what they had for dinner that will ALSO be a lie, they lie because they find it amusing. I think the only honest answer I got from the SOB was when I asked him what color are your eyes again, and he said brown, and thats only because he is full of shit. ha ha
Mar 29 - 6PM (Reply to #19)
sara-smile
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neverlookback

I found out so many lies today from the new GF. My brain can't process the reasons to lie about such STUPID stuff. Most of the time the lies are senseless! Stupid! I just can't figure out if we KNOW this and we see it so clearly then why are we still so upset all the damn time?? WHY? It's insane! I'm beginning to question my own sanity in all of this. When we were together I KNEW he was lying and ignored it. Blew it off like it was nothing. CRAZY!
Mar 28 - 7AM
Happy1
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It's sick isn't it!!! Not

It's sick isn't it!!! Not only do the lie, but they're so arrogant that they tell stupid horrible lies and could care less if they get caught. They just have another lie to top that lie if they do! Then it's your fault and your insecurity that made them lie!
Mar 27 - 10PM
ifinallygotit
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sorry for your new shock

Mine lied much more by omission - quiet secretive type probably leading a double or triple life. His communication skills were nil and when challenged on the few things I did catch wind of, he would go mute and be furious. I WAS a confident busy professional woman (my confidence went to toilet this past Fall and is creeping back up) and secure enough where I did not snoop on him while we were together. We did not live together so he could have been doing anything - The lies he told you about the death are very crazy...maybe covering for a lapse of time that he could not explain? or was he ever detached from reality? that is mind blowing...and sociopathic. My ex N really lied more like a little boy who cannot handle emotional situations or any responsibility... Because I was so stupid and gullible and trusting, I have no idea how much lying went on. I think because he isolated us so much I will never know which would be a blessing
Mar 27 - 9PM
Susan32
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Famous lies of famous Ns

Sofia Tolstoy learned that her husband, Leo, had betrayed her (in terms of his last will&testament) when she found his super-secret diary that he kept in his boot. There were two other diaries-one that was for her, one for the general public. It was his MOST secret diary when she found out, when he was dying, that he had betrayed her&their children. 3 years after the death of monologuist/playwright Spalding Gray, his widow&their two sons learned he had starred in porn films. The widow knew nothing about them... until recently.
Mar 28 - 3PM (Reply to #15)
Susan32
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Another of Tolstoy's lies

AFTER Leo had married Sofia, after they had gotten sexually intimate, THEN he told her that he had an STD (it was gonorrhea)
Mar 27 - 9PM
Steph
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Wow!I can relate with my

Wow! I can relate with my firs narc relationship....the one I ended up marrying lol SO many lies....but the worst was when he told me that his mother died ( he is from another country and his mom is still there ). He said his cousins called and told him mom passed away....he cried to his boss that he couldn't afford to go see his cousins.....the boss paid for him to go home. And then two years later, i caught him in a lye. I asked who he was talking to on the phone and he said his mother lol I said I thought she died....and he said "uh well i did too but my cousins lied to me to get me to come home". Which even IF that was true....he shoulda told me instead of playing on my sympathy and the sympathy of my family for years! Biggest liar I was ever with. I divorced him 6 months after this.
Mar 27 - 9PM
divorcingonenow
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definitely dizzy

I've told friends that N's lies & crazy making behaviors make me so disoriented that I literally feel physically dizzy & completely out of sync at times. Thanks so much for bringing that up. I've been wondering too. My N's lies were equally insane. Emotional vertigo! Exactly it.

DivorcingOneNow

Mar 27 - 9PM
sara-smile
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loveofmylife

I thought my Narc was a liar but yours seems to win the prize!! That is HORRIBLE! Crazy and horrible. He lied about something that was bound to come back around and bite him in the butt! OMG! That is crazy! My Narc always lied about things that made him look like a hero. Their lives are so pathetic and they are so horrible that they have to make up crap to make themselves look good!
Mar 28 - 6AM (Reply to #8)
loveofmylife
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the need to look like a hero and living in the moment.

Regarding your comment "He lied about something that was bound to come back around and bite him in the butt!" I think this goes back to what we have discussed on the board before...that Ns live in the moment and they will say/do whatever the feel like, in the moment, to get what they want, in the moment, and don't really think about the future at all. So in that moment, he wanted to draw my sympathy and my adoration about what a great and caring guy he is - and it didn't even cross his mind that I would probably eventually find out he lied. Which explains why he compartmentalizes his life so much. (and again, he views compartmentalization as a virtue) He HAS to compartmentalize his life so that his lies and secret lives aren't discovered. What I have NEVER understood, and SOI had the same observation of hers, is why mine feels like he has to lie about things like this to get adoration!!! He is already the most gorgeous 51 year old alive. Super intelligent, witty, charming, accomplished, educated, etc, etc. He doesn't NEED to make up more crap to look better. He already has SOOO much going on for him. But I guess it is like a drug addict that self destructs - they can NEVER have enough or too much supply!
Mar 28 - 7PM (Reply to #9)
agnesmurphy17
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You got it!

They lie on the fly. They do not think of the future. And they always want to forget the past. Of course you feel dizzy. It's shocking. And you have no idea how many other lies he told you. And all the time of your precious life you wasted on a lie. When I say you, I mean me! I am so staggered. My marriage was premised on lies. Three years of my life (6 months courtship & the marriage) -- all a lie. And then the divorce, all the lies he told me & his NW. Waste, waste, waste! They waste a woman's time. It's all a game. They do it because they can. And when they get caught, oh well. Either no big deal or they are enraged at you.
Mar 28 - 10PM (Reply to #10)
loveofmylife
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Agnes - it is because they have a harem they can fall back on

Yep. I think that makes me the most sick of all...when I caught him in lies/deceit/betrayal..he was like "oh well", move on to harem member #11, since harem member #8 seems to have malfunctioned! No remorse, no genuine apology, no nothing. Only rage at me for ruining his "persona"..he actually used that word! Which of course, is "fake mask". He thought I was mad at him for sharing our relationship with someone outside of our relationship. What he never got, was that I was mad at him for: 1. lying about me to other women. 2. lying to me about other women. 3. Betraying our entire relationship to several people, one women who he had met on match.com and had not even dated yet! 4. Deciding to throw me under a bus and our 20 year relationship under a bus to try to impress a new date. (I don't think he ever saw her again, so it was really worth it) 5. Using me and manipulating me at work, to get him bonuses on the same day he was trashing me behind my back.. 6. Pretending for 20 years that he wanted to have a future with me. And pretending up until the day I read his email and found out otherwise. But he will never, ever get it. And he will never, ever have remorse or apologize, because I was disposable. Like you say, they waste women's time/life and have no regrets. I'm just so scared, because I have wasted my entire marriage on this guy...20+ years. He pursued me from the very beginning and I thought it was real. And I am very, very scared that I can only be truly attracted to guys that have a Borderline personality (charming, charismatic, roller coaster, push/pull, abusive)....since that is what my dad was and probably my uncle - both of who I was incredibly bonded to, and both died suddenly in the last 2 years. And then I lost N too. I am so, so scared that I can only feel that "soulmate" attraction with a disordered person. Scary stuff. Because I am married to a wonderful, good, normal guy (who has the normal set of flaws) - yet feel no attraction or connection. Sorry for rambling. I think the spring weather is setting this off. Because I want to be with N so badly, but know I can't be/ shouldn't be. Here I am, living so close to him now, but we are the farthest away that we have been in 23 years.
Mar 29 - 5PM (Reply to #11)
agnesmurphy17
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Attraction

Well, I don't think that you can only be attracted to a disordered person. I think you were in love with this man -- but, I thought it was 'platonic'--like there were always reason why the two of you could not get together, a in a couple, marriage, boyfriend-girlfriend. You never had him 24/7. So you were only seeing the "persona" because you weren't around long enough on a daily basis to see the cracks. And, besides, love makes people stupid. You're not any different from anybody else. We're all alike in that regard. You are attracted to what you imagine him to be. And you -- you seemed to help him professionally all the way, all the time. I am afraid that's what it was all about for him. What's in it for me? And when you are not in his sight, you are out of his mind. The genie in the bottle. He rubs the bottle when he wants something. And there you are because he's always in your mind because you are in love. And we cannot see anybody else but the beloved.
Mar 27 - 8PM
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OF COURSE LOML I call it

OF COURSE LOML I call it emotional vertigo. I am realizing more and more everyday what a gift he gave me in that he doesnt speak. Cant add anymore icing to the cake that way. Do you still talk to him off and on? I mean for like work stuff? Oh and btw Im sure he had to rush back from Michigan from a board meeitng BAHAHAHHAHAHAHA! Call me if you want to chat sista. Have to tell you about when I snooped...
Mar 27 - 9PM (Reply to #4)
loveofmylife
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SOI

No. I haven't had any contact with him in about two months. That's when he emailed me to spark up a new business relationship and I brushed him off. He made some comment like "then I'll just get out of your way" - and never heard from him since. But this morning, when I woke up, I just laid in bed and cried for about an hour, I missed him so much. So I decided to do a little internet research.... because every time I do, I learn about some deceit of his and it helps me to not miss him so much. And wow - this one takes the cake.
Mar 27 - 9PM (Reply to #5)
gettinbetter
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Im not crying nearly as much

Im not crying nearly as much these days. Especially since Im finally starting to realize he has no power to decide whether I am worthy or not worthy. Whether I am happy or sad good or bad. It has taken me a long time to get to this stage but he is rapidly losing his hold on me. You at work tommorow?
Mar 27 - 9PM (Reply to #6)
loveofmylife
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Yes, I am at work

Yes, I am at work tomorrow..... call anytime and I'll talk if I can!
Mar 27 - 8PM
loveofmylife
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More deceit

And it is not just that one lie. In the three years since, in probably 3 - 4 different conversation, I mentioned something about his sister's husband dying. And he NEVER corrected me and told me that he was actually alive.
Mar 27 - 9PM (Reply to #2)
WiserNow30
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Loveofmylife

I've had similar realizations of how the Ex N lied about everything. I've given a lot of thought to things that he told me over the last 2 years. -He told me that he was in his early to mid 20's he was trying out for various professional baseball teams. That he was traveling all the time, very in shape, and an excellent pitcher. Well now that I think about it, I've never seen one picture from this time in his life. You'd think that he would have taken a few pictures at least. Lies!!! -He told me that he owns various properties in Indiana and rents out the homes to single mothers. Well guess what. He doesn't own any property in Indiana. Lies!!! -He told me that he went to college. Didn't happen. Lies!!! -On his POF profile, he's listed as single. He's really divorced. Lies!!!