How to think/feel about his co-conspirators?

How to think/feel about his co-conspirators?
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Ok, I'm doing pretty well trying to stablize my thoughts and feelings about him (he's disordered; he couldn't love; I got caught in his screwed up world). But how do I think about his family and friends who said nothing to me about the OW, hung out with her, kept us secret from each other, and lied to both her and me when we blatantly asked them if he was cheating? I realized know that the babysitter stopped talking to me because she didn't want to lie. I realize that the sister in law told me to get away from him many times because I wasn't happy and my girls weren't happy. I realize that the brother may have stopped talking to me because he didn't want to get involved. The brother used to print out my sobbing emails and give them to the narc, and I always thought this was because he was a "good little scout" reporting to his brother. But maybe he was giving him to the narc and telling him to make it right? Maybe he was trying to get the narc to stop hurting us?

I realize now that the family probably didn't even know we were still seeing each other, that the narc even lied about his brother babysitting so he could go out with me.

I don't know what happened anymore, and I don't know what I should feel about people. I don't know if anyone deliberately hurt me, I don't know if I should be pissed or feel sorry for them, too.

His older brother told me earlier this year, "He is never going to be part of a mutual relationshiop. He's a pain in the ass." I thought he just meant we was difficult, but maybe he was trying to tell me more?

hopefuljms's picture

Helldweller

Oddly enough mine didn't have co-conspirators. He kept his entire dual life a secret from everyone. Those that knew about me didn't know about the OW and vice versa. It must have been exhausting for him. Glad I took myself out of that mess!!

Briseis's picture

I didn't know what to feel

I didn't know what to feel either about the co-conspirators.

One one hand you can't help but call them co-conspirators. Hello! They KNEW. Yes they did. They might have had their head up their own butts the whole time, but they KNEW.

And did they tell you? I have to admit exNarc's mother and brother filled in a lot of the blanks. I also have to admit I was listening, but not wanting to hear TOO much.

On the other hand, people have a kind of respect for you, and for the Narc. If they are normal, they hate to see you hurt more than you already are. They don't want to be "the one" who drives home the stake through your heart. Also, their loyalty to the Narc is holding them back. They are in as much a pickle as we are. They are also experiencing the victim-of-the-Narc syndrome like we are.

So three and a half years out, my feelings are still mixed, but the issue is "mellow". I don't have to know if they were good or bad. They were both, just like I was, I guess. Time mellowed that question out for me. Mostly ;)

There are still times I'll spontaneously remember something, and feel indignant as hell. We all get screwed over by these idiots. We are never the only ones, and it's hard to hold the co-conspirators to "blame" or fault while we are trying not to do that to ourselves.

Journey's picture

Under the spell

I agree with Briseis,

All of these people are under his spell in different ways and they are connected to him - be it friendship or family. His brother probably did want to talk to you, but we all know what it is like to not want to 'displease' the narc and the way narcs treat people who do.

Everyone connected to him must be relating to that on different levels and very likely, everyone is being told different lies.

Journey on...

ACgirl's picture

Helldweller, Narcs like good movies

I know it's so hard for us to wrap our minds around this insanity. I remember my Narc told me that he didn't want to introduce women to his daughters (who are both married and in their 20's) until he was "serious" about the women. So when he introduced me to his daughters and I began to spend time with them at family functions, I thought...."Wow, my narc must be serious about me". Well, I found out this year that OW have spent time with his daughters. So, that was just another stupid narc "rope me in" trick. I even met my narc's ex-wife at his daughters graduation. My narc finally admitted to me last year that he cheated on his wife a bunch of times (I should have ran like hellfire then, but I didn't). I bet his ex-wife wanted to warn me and tell me a whole lot, but she didn't. The interesting question is...would I have believed her? Probably not because I wouldn't have wanted to believe her. Here is a story I want to tell you......My Narc has close friends who are in their 70's who he calls "mom & dad". I was very close to them at one time. They once caught the Narc in a big lie. My narc was retiring last year (he is 50) and he told me that there was NOT going to be any kind of retirement ceremony. Then when his elderly friends emailed me to ask me what I was buying for the Narc for his retirement ceremony I emailed them back and said "WHAT???? THERE IS A RETIREMENT CEREMONY????" Well, they caught him in a big lie and I never heard back from them. The Narc ended up bring some young bimbo to the ceremony. When I confronted the Narc with this lie he went into a huge RAGE and D&D'd me big time. When I started to cry, he later called me up and appologized big time. Of course, being the fool that I am, I accepted his appology. But I have never spoken to those elderly people again. I also found out later that several of his "OW" have meet these people. But my Narc keeps up a great front with them because he goes to Bible Study class and to church with them. So you see, he has them fooled perhaps because I know that they are nice people.

Narcs are truly great actors with Academy award winning scripts. They know how to fool people. Look, they fooled us. It really hurts me when I read what happened to you and your kids. All I can say is.... we will know better in the future and thank God we are out. I am still hurting because I miss the movie, not the reality. I'm a sucker for a good movie. xoxoACgirl

mystwoman's picture

In my case, narc xmil

In my case, narc xmil actually arranged for xnh to connect back up with OW. OW had been one of his former girlfriends about 20 years ago, and used to live across the country from him. He cheated on his FIRST wife with this OW.

Narc xmil found out this creature was living in the same town as her, and made SURE that xnh reconnected with OW. We'd been together for 16 years, and married for 8 years. It's NOT like narc xmil didn't KNOW that he was already in a relationship. OW is currently firmly married and has two teen-aged kids. Her husband apparently isn't aware of her cheating with xnh (yet), and narc xmil provides them with a "love shack" whenever xnh comes back to visit.

I'm not sure whether or not the rest of his family was privy to xnh's cheating, but I do know that his two kids either knew, or found out about it, right after the D&D. I've heard that his hideous P daughter absolutely HATES OW. Good, P daughter is highly likely to make xnh's life miserable about it. Poetic justice, IMO. What kind of a 48-years old "man" lets their mommy pick out their next girlfriend while they're still married? And what kind of "loving" mother actively does that to her own son? Personally, I feel total disgust when I think about BOTH xnh and his mommy.

helldweller's picture

mystwoman

Gross. Seriously sickening. Geesh. Some of these people really do deserve each other, don't they. Reminds me of my "buddy"--the only friend of my narc who i really liked. Adam was his best friend, and we always talked a lot. I came to find out that Adam actually set up the OW and the narc--and encouraged her to date him--AND was the narc's alibi when he spent the night with her. Funny, but the narc hated Adam's wife, and I think now that it was because she knew what was going on probably ripped him a new one because of it.

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Helldweller, I think that

Helldweller, I think that his co-consipirators tried to warn you perhaps, but really didn't know how to effectively. But I personally feel that you shouldn't be mad at them. It's like when you have a kid who does really bad things, and all the teachers tell you how disruptive he is, and somehow, when you bring your kid home, you just forget about everything the teacher said, because he is your kid and you see him differently. It is my feeling that friends and family of a Narc, especially your Narc and mine who have had so many OW, just don't know how to deal with what the Narc is doing. Look at us, do we know how to deal with it when it is happening? We bury it under the sand somehow. And with several OW lurking about, how do THEY pick which one is "the one" and which one to warn? Also, if the Narc was just cheating on his wife, or his one woman, by all means, I would COMPLETELY expect someone to warn me and tell me. But damn, they are cheating on everyone!! It's a really horrible situation the narc puts his friends and relatives in, not to mention us!! But, true to Narcs, they don't give a shit about anyone but themselves.

We have all been through a great deal. My mind feels like spagetti today. I know of several OWs. I used to think that I was "the one", and the others were just stowaways. Now I don't know. These guys are so F'd up. So, we really can't be too hard on the co-cospirators. They didn't sign up for this mess. They didn't sign on to the drama that these Narcs love to play. They were cast in a show they didn't want to be in. Narcs should be given the "Razzi Award", for being such an ass on the film about their life!! xoxoACgirl

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AC

Thanks. I really don't want to be angry anymore at them. There were times when I suspected he was lying to his family about seeing me--you know, telling them he had a meeting or something else to get them to babysit. There were a few times I told his brother, "You do KNOW the narc came to see me last night?" or something like that, because I supsected they were being lied to as well. I can't imagine what it was like, for example, to be his brother's live in girlfriend, and to just have to wonder who he was going to show up with on Sunday or to a holiday or whatever--and not knowing the "status" of the woman, what she thought she was to him, etc. He always said, "My brothers and I don't discuss my girlfriends" and now I know why! I also realize now that the "cold shoulder" I got over the last two years from family and friends may have been something quite different than them not liking me. It's awful, really. Gosh, when I think about all the gifts I bought them all for Christmas and birthdays, etc, and was so angry that they never got my daughters or me anything. I realize now that they would have gone in the poor house trying to buy gifts for all of the narc's women! And, as you said, how to even know which one is the "real" girlfriend?

I remember the first Christmas (when we were "in love"), he invited us over for a Christmas time dinner with his family. They showed up at three but the narc didn't call me and say, "They're here" until five. When we got there, they had already opened all their presents. There were gifts for my girls and me, wrapped in the paper my narc had used to wrap his presents. The gifts were obviously stuff that had been around the narc's house. I think he told them to wrap up stuff for us because we were bringing presents. They had no idea that we would even be there, that we were part of the family. No idea whatsoever.

helldweller's picture

Oh and

let me just add that I understand families keeping their secrets, but when you know your brother or friend is seriously hurting, lying to and endangering (sexually and emotionally and phsycially) a woman and her children, doesn't the loyalty end somewhere? If my brother was cheating on his wife or even his "exclusive" girlfriend, I would give him a talking to. And if he kept doing it, I certainly wouldn't hang around with him and the OW. But if the family honestly didn't know? But how could they not know we were still seeing each other? Then again, he's so secretive!

I see the younger brother sometimes, and he always seems like he wants to talk to me, and he smiles and seems very warm, and it seems like he feels sorry for me like he didn't want to be a part of it. But maybe he's just being the politician that he is.

So confused. Trying to put all my emotions in order but this one's tough.