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I'd like to know, have any other of you had this situation occur while with your NARC?
Mine used to do things like text or call someone - including myself - then refuse to answer whoever called right back.
It was maddening! When he did it to others, I would gently chide him, and ask him why he did that? He never really had an answer, he'd just shrug or sometimes laugh.
When he did this to ME, and I called him on it, he would offer me lame excuses like, "i heard the phone ringing but couldn't find it", or "i was sleeping". Right - ONE MINUTE after he calls me he is able to pull a bout of narcolepsy? How did he EVER get through his life without causing a car accident or burning the house down if he happend to have a cig in his hand when he went into his "fugue" state.
Just curious as if any of you have experienced this bizarre and totally irritating symptom with yours.
In my case
September 7, 2010 - 12:11am — girlfridayMine did this sort of thing. He'd call and then not be available for my returned call soon after. Or we'd be texting or he'd be sending me pictures from his trip and then I'd call but he wouldn't answer.
Well, in my case I found out that when this happened, it was because he was with another woman. He could text me right in front of her, (lying to her about whom he was texting and lying to me about whom he was with on that vacation) but couldn't talk.
Weird phone behavior is very often a sign of infidelity.
phone
September 6, 2010 - 12:29pm — cluelessuntilnowThis is the kind of post that seems trivial enough but is sooo helpful. This one small thing like phone control issues. I could not figure out wtf his deal was.
He will call me, then doesn't leave a voicemail, then I call back and he won't answer or will answer only to cut the conversations short. Or if I call, he will not answer then text me and say what do you want.
He decides that we don't need to talk on the phone and that we should only text. Honestly, I lost my patience with this crap. We have child and I am not texting you about "life", real life stuff. We are not in middle school!
I actually now ignore his dictatorial rules and pick up the phone and when he answers ( or doesn't I leave a message)I say "I am not playing games with you. Can you just be normal. ". I refuse to play your game and then he and I will talk about what needs to be discussed and it is done. God he hates that. Oh well.
And why all the phone drama. Between the phone control, the covert texting of other women, etc... these guys should be denied cell phones on the basis of lack of maturity to handle them.
I just remembered something that now gives it away
September 6, 2010 - 2:11pm — lisalisa47Hi Clue:)
Your answer just evoked a memory of myself having a conversation not so long ago, with my ex narc's ex GF who was staying with us for awhile.
She was a good sounding board for some of the things i was starting to notice, as she had them happen to her in the past as well.
According to her, one time they were driving and he was furiously texting his ex wife, back and forth and back and forth. When his ex GF asked him WHY he didn't just call her instead, he answered without taking a break in his texting "It's less personal this way"
That says a mouthful to me, LOL
Less personal
September 6, 2010 - 2:35pm — cluelessuntilnowGet this, he actually said he just wants to communicate via e-mail or text because things get less confused that way.
OMG, this is covert language for "when we talk you don't let me get away with being cold, distant or any bad behavior". And I don't. I really don't. He has to be real and decent when he interacts with me or I just hold the mirror up and say look at yourself. No wonder he only wants to text. LOL!
Sad part is that I think sometimes I am the only one in his life that calls him on his b.s.
And if he got his phone taken away he would not know what to do with himself. It would be like denying him oxygen.
CLUELESS!!!
September 6, 2010 - 12:44pm — SherbearHysterical!!! Denied cell phones on the basis of lack of maturity!!! Too freaking funny!!!!! I love being able to laugh at out loud at some of their chaos!!!! Thank you!!!
I wasn't laughing then, but I am now!! Good for you and how you are able to control the madness!!! So powerful!!
Using phone for control
September 5, 2010 - 6:13pm — Susan32The ex-Psych professor had rules about calling him-
1)I was FORBIDDEN to end conversations with "have a nice day" or "have a nice evening",it HAD to be an emotionless "bye" or "goodbye"
2)I called him, but he NEVER called me
I'd leave him voice messages, and it was infuriating that he'd NEVER call me back, even when the concerns were purely academic. I remember bringing that up with him, with the "I guess I'm not important enough for you to call me back?" I had been his "phone friend."
What was weird was his answering machine. He had this bland, emotionless, monotonous tone intoning his phone number... not even GIVING HIS NAME. Most normal people give their names when you get into voice mail.
In my senior year, I made the "mistake" of calling him after 9 pm (it was 9:30, not some ungodly hour)... and he got angry. I think it's because the OW had moved in with him. Then, during the D&D, he FORBADE me from calling him at home (I assumed he wanted me to call him at work) Then he talked about calling someone at midnight... in retrospect, he must've meant the OW.
The ex-P had an LDR with the OW thru email and over the phone. Definitely the means to control someone.
Here's one for the books
September 5, 2010 - 8:50pm — lisalisa47My ex NARC programmed his Metro PCS phone's voicemail so it answered in Mandarin Chinese, how's that for trying to stay "under the radar".
You would never know who you were getting.
Here's another--
September 6, 2010 - 8:14am — Susan32I was FORBIDDEN from ending phone calls. The ex-Psych professor could get pretty angry, gruffly saying, "Don't hang up on me!"
And I was just a STUDENT. I never reached girlfriend/lover status.
LISA!!!
September 5, 2010 - 10:14pm — SherbearHysterical!!! I can't believe the thinks these guys do!! I've heard it all!!
Sherber - that's true LOL
September 6, 2010 - 2:13pm — lisalisa47When we start to get over the trauma of believing them, we start to see that they really are a ridiculous sitcom all unto themselves, huh?
Wow... that's a winner, so to speak..
September 5, 2010 - 8:59pm — Susan32Now that's weird. Unless you're doing international business or a government agency, that makes no sense. Bizarre...
I'm relieved to be free of the ex-P's control over the phone. The last time I called him was 11 years ago... and I NEVER will again.
I like having normal phone conversations! And normal phone behaviors!
Thanks guys!
September 5, 2010 - 4:27pm — lisalisa47God it is SO GOOD to know that it wasn't just ME! LOL...I mean i know he did that to everyone else, but it would stand to reason that the "woman you just gave a ring to" would be important enough that you would want to return the phone call.
My NARC's first initial is "T" - and he's a bit of a computer buff - everytime I would go to hit print, he'd say "CONTROL P" NOT PRINT! So i teased him about his control issues, and started calling him CONTROL T. LOL
Loved all your answers - especially the 2 phones. thanks again everyone!
no phone calls
September 5, 2010 - 10:51am — helldwellerAfter the initial D&D there were no phone calls, ever. Only texts. I would call and say, "Hi, wanted to talk a bit. Please call me" and he would text me right back and say, "Hi, baby. What's up?" Now I know a bunch of these times he was with someone else and of course couldn't answer, but it came to be every single time, even when he was standing outside the house by himself. I would call him and he wouldn't answer. I would watch as he looked at his phone, waited a minute, listened to my message and then TEXTED ME BACK. Very, very strange.
Also, his phone calls and texts came in CONSTANTLY. I mean, every minute his phone rang. On his last birthday, I had broken up with him and he begged me back. I was really pissed about the phone calls and texts and his female friends not knowing about me, etc. so we were in this interesting situation where we went to the lake to feed the ducks on his birthday. Whenever the phone rang, I said, "Answer it," and I think he felt pressure to answer and "show me" that he wasn't messing around with anyone. So here are the calls he got in a half hour:
1. His brother
2. His first girlfriend, who he always calls Braless Girl because she has never worn a bra in her life.
3. His other brother
4. His brother's girlfriend
5. His former fiancee. He talks to her every day and told me three years ago that she knew about me. I had my ear next to his head while he was on the phone, and when she asked, "Are you at the lake by yourself?" he said, "I"m with my girlfriend," and you could hear a pin drop on the other end before she exclaimed, "Your
GIRLFIEND?!? Since when do you have a girlfriend?" He said, "I'll call you later." I think that was the longest hour of his life--when he felt compelled to answer the phone in front of me.
Just remembered...
September 5, 2010 - 10:36am — Sherbearone time, he chatted me on FB....and after talking about himself, he asked about me. And as I was typing my response, he literally went offline!!! WTF is that all about??!!!! Hysterical. Total minda game and lack of any respect for another person!! HE WILL NEVER GET IT!!! Doesn't think he is doing anything wrong! Totally twisted!
OMG they just keep coming don't they....
September 6, 2010 - 2:19pm — lisalisa47Mine did that to me too, only it was through Yahoo messenger, right after he had made his I LOVE YOU for the thousandth time, and asked me something about my day....then POOOF! gone!
I remember emailing him that that was a rude behavior, then feeling bad the next day when he said he had "lost" power, yeah he lost it alright. LOL and his POWER over me is starting to get less and less thanks to all of you guys, and your stories of triumph - plus the fact that it's starting to become obvious they are nothing more than trantrum throwing children. In fact, they should all be forced to wear "I'm an idiot" T shirts so the next woman gets a clue by that, if for some reason she doesn't when she meets him. LOL
PS - Someone should start a mandatory Pre Narcissist training program for all the innocent sisters that are almost of dating age.
The best though!!!
September 5, 2010 - 11:11am — SherbearHis kids lived in Philly and he had major anxiety issues.....one weekend when we were together, I witnessed him trying to get a hold of his kids. They were off with their aunts and uncles and did not answer and did not call back.....for hours and he was a mess! He hated when he tried to contact them and they didn't get back to him immediately!! Hysterical!!! You reap what you sow!!
sherbear
September 5, 2010 - 10:53am — Usedi couldnt stop laughing, he went off line, now i have heard everything, and it isnt that he thinks he hasent done wrong, he doesnt care, n used to say to women who phoned him,[never said it to me], what do you want i am busy, this arsehole has never been busy in his whole life, he is a lazy fat pig, and looks like one. lol, grunt grunt.
Used....Oink oink!!
September 5, 2010 - 11:32am — SherbearExcellent point!! He doesn't care!! Big difference! He told me several times that people have always gotten mad at him for not returning calls, etc.... he told me he has been accused of being narcisstic in the past....ding ding ding!!!
When he broke things off, his immediate defense was "Just think of me as a big dumb labrador". (did that work in the past?) What an absolute complete asshole!!!
texts/calls
September 5, 2010 - 10:20am — helldwellerMine could not stand to be alone for one minute. He had to always be talking to someone or texting them. So, if he was out to dinner with someone and they went to the bathroom or something, he had to text a bunch of people so that he didn't feel alone. So I know when he texted me I was one of three or four in a minute or two, and if I texted him back after his friend came back to the table, that was it until he got home or until the next day. He would also go out to smoke when he was out places with people, and if there was no one else out smoking that he could talk to he would call someone or text them. Once the cigarette was done, he'd go back inside and no longer need the fix.
They ALWAYS have, I think,a half dozen calls and texts into people so that there is always someone right there, calling or texting back. They don't call or text because they are thinking of us and wanting to talk to us, but just to keep it going at all times, with every person.
Of course, it's all about control. Everything is.
alone
September 5, 2010 - 10:58am — Usedmyexh and n couldnt stand to be alone, but n would say to me, how he liked his own company very much, i said why do you keep tracking me down then, he wasent allowed to come to my home with out beign invited, i wouldnt have it,cos it was me who liked my own company,not him. they are sad, sad, sad.
"I've got to call you back..."
September 5, 2010 - 9:36am — katmassYep! Same thing. I was having a LDR with a narc who called me every day, sometimes several times a day early on in the relationship. Then I started to notice that the calls became less frequent and he only called me when he was commuting home. My phone would ring around 5:30-6 and it was Andy. Like clockwork.
Then - sometimes for 45 minutes or more - I'd have to listen to what he thought were the hugely fascinating details of his day. Sensing that he was talking only about himself, he'd ask "so how was YOUR day?" and when I'd begin to tell him, he'd cut me off with "I've got to take this call" or "here's my exit" or "I've got to call you back" (no reason given). And of course, he never would.
When I questioned him about it, he'd always have some excuse like "I thought it would be too late to call you back" or "it was a longer call than I expected" or "I had to meet my son for dinner."
Funny thing... early on during the courting stage, he never worried about calling me too late!
Also, if I called HIM back later, it always went into his voicemail.
So I got tired of being his "phone friend" and having him cancel visits at the last minute and finally told him two weeks ago not to contact me anymore. And that was that! Phew.
It's all about the control.
katmass
September 5, 2010 - 4:09pm — terriThis is exactly what I experienced in my relationship for many years. As you said, during the courtship phase, he was much more mindful of being considerate, taking my calls, and not just talking about himself. But as time went on, he only wanted to talk about himself. When I would try to talk about me and my day, he would always have a reason why he couldn't talk anymore.
Throughout the relationship, he would call me at work but would chastise me for calling him during the work day. Double standard.
He also always had to be the one who had to end the conversation first. If I tried to end it first, he would suck me back into conversation about something and then suddenly say "I have to go". WEIRD!
LOL
September 5, 2010 - 9:42am — BodhiI've mentioned in previous posts that my ex literally told me what he missed most was being able to tell me about his day at work. And believe me, this didn't go both ways. I would tell him stories about my day and I really don't think he was listening.
Not listening
September 5, 2010 - 10:11am — katmassNot only was mine not interested in hearing about how my day went, but he would forget what he told me earlier about HIS own... and then repeat it the next day or a few days later. I'd say, "you already told me that" and he'd just gloss over it and tell the story again.
I guess it's about liking to hear yourself talk. And boy is it boring! My eyes glaze over just remembering those conversations.
I'm sure my LDR narc has found another phone friend... but I hope not because I'm sure not being able to talk to me about all the mundane crap in HIS life is killing him and I want him to suffer. I do. I want him to FEEL something. But from everything I've read, this is not likely to happen. They just go on and find a new supply/source. And that's how it goes.
It's all about control....
September 5, 2010 - 8:29am — TNR1Used to happen to me all the time. Sometimes we were talking and quite appruptly he would say "I have to go, I'll call you back" and he never would. We would also make arrangements to meet and he wouldn't show, no texts, no calls. It's extremely passive/aggressive, but that was his method of choice. If he didn't want to talk to you, he would simply not respond.
Sounds like the same guy
September 5, 2010 - 9:41am — katmassLOL!
The phone...
September 5, 2010 - 8:27am — BodhiI would call mine on the way home from work but that was his alone time so he would purposely not answer the phone... would say he didn't hear it. one day I decided to pick up dinner rather than make it so I called him to see what he wanted... he didn't pick up his phone so I just didn't get him anything. He threw SUCH a hissy fit that night. Now this just makes me laugh.
Nothing Like
September 5, 2010 - 8:21am — truthseekerbeing held hostage emotionally. had never encountered this until him. Did it all the time sometimes would go as long as 2 days before turning phone back on. Always some insult or accusation. Mine always acted like nothing had ever happened. he was such a sweeper.
payback
September 5, 2010 - 8:36am — Useda bought another little cheap mobile[so had 2, he didnt know this] he was the only one on the phone,everyone else i gave the new number to. on my little phone, i then proceded to turn it off for days, 5 was his limit 8 was mine, he finally tracked me down screaming, why have you got your f..king phone off. i said, BECAUSE I CAN. he never ever knew that he was the only one on that phone, when i left it on, he would ring and ring ,i would ignore it, and when i saw him i would say have you been ringing i couldnt get to my phone, and there was 15 missed calls, he would say no it wasent me, it must of been one of your family or other freinds. i said yes i guess so. he did say once now i know how it feels, and i did think surely his other woman must turn their phones off at times. evidently not. payback is a bitch, lol
oh this so reminds me of a
September 5, 2010 - 8:54am — gettinbetteroh this so reminds me of a time years ago during round one with this man when he would call me late at night and hang up. Always wanting to make sure I was home and not possibly spending the night with someone else. Star 69 had just been made available. Very few people knew of it but I did. So I would wait until morning. When I did the star 69 guess who answered. I said did you call last nite? his reply in his condescending tone "Why would I call you" but I didnt tell him I knew he continued to do it a few more times. It was so entertaining.
I have been no contact 8 days this is day nine. On Friday out of the blue I get an Unknown call to me cell. I never get those on my cell. Now maybe it wasnt him but something tells me it was. Any bets?
yep
September 5, 2010 - 8:20am — gettinbetterWhen I reconnected with mine and we were in the idealization phase we would talk all day long for a few months. Now I look back the beginning of the D&D was when he stopped taking my phone calls. I mean he will not talk to me on the phone. Only texts. See my thread called texting. Yet would still profess his love for me thru a text message. I think they like texting because that way they can control the conversation. They can answer the questions they want to answer and not answer the ones they dont. When they feel like punishing you they just dont return your text. I read that ignoring someone is always a control tactic.
Really it all makes sense: Haven't you ever wondered why these people dont just say Its over or I dont want to talk to you or Im sorry it didnt work for us but its over or you ask a tough question that has a yes or no answer. Have you ever noticed they will side step it? Its becuase if they give you an answer that gives you a resolution and closure which = Loss of control. They can no longer dominate and control you. They always want to keep you wondering and trying. They give you just enough indulgence to keep you jumping thru the hoops and trying harder. It make them feel special. Sick!
Ha, yes!
September 5, 2010 - 8:54am — BodhiSame happened with me... when we reconnected he wanted to be in constant contact all day long.
I can respect that someone may not be a phone person, or perhaps there is a particular reason... but the key here is absolutely no communication. They just don't pick up the phone.
Narcs are not capable of adult conversations.
especially conversations
September 5, 2010 - 9:13am — gettinbetterespecially conversations where they are gonna asked hard questions that will produce a resolution. Much better for them to hide behind text messages with a bunch of double speak and ambuguity. They really are just all alike! Some small variations from situation to situation but pretty much the same.
Im starting to realize that when we stop calling and texting it really does kill them though they will never let you know it. Its like the silence says to them. You are no longer in control Narc. I am. I know No contact is supposed to be for us and not about getting back at them but I cant help but relish in the fact that he may be going "why isnt she calling? Am losing control? Oh no I cant be losing control. That would mean she knows Im a fraud"
Ugh
September 5, 2010 - 9:45am — BodhiYeah... we had so many issues that could have been easily resolved in an adult relationship but he was unable to have these conversations. It was unbelievably frustrating. After we broke up, he brought a few issues to the surface that I didn't even know existed. It's hard enough being in a relationship but I think about how much more difficult it would have been if you threw in home ownership, children, illness, job loss, etc. to the mix.
No contact is for you, but have some fun knowing it is probably driving him a little crazy :)
Narc and refusing to answer the phone
September 5, 2010 - 8:17am — Kitty02Same here.
Used to tell me to call him or txt me then wouldn't answer the phone. Since found out that he used to stand in the pub with his beer drinking buddies and when I called, bare in mind he'd asked me to, he used to raise eyebrows to them and say 'oh she's calling me AGAIN!!'
OMG!!!
September 5, 2010 - 8:14am — SherbearI thought I was the only one!! It made me absolutely insane and so mad when he would not respond back when HE initiated the contact!! What a jerk!! I called him on it several times and he knew how rude I thought it was, but he never changed that behavior. Wow, everyday I get new aha moments on this site!! 14 days NC today!!!! Woop woop!!
lisa
September 5, 2010 - 7:39am — Usedyep n used to text and say text back and i will phone you, i would text back, then wait and wait, so phone him back, he had turned his phone off, when i would ask him why he done it, he would say i must have sat or leanened on phone,and turned it off, i would say, but you got the text i sent you ,my phone tells me when the person gets my texts, he said no i didnt get your text, so thought you didnt want to talk, i said you have just contradicted yourself again. i hate that i put up with all this, irealy do. i stopped phoning or texting him, and got him to delete my number, so that way this was one mind game he couldnt keep playing.
lisalisa. ...yep
September 5, 2010 - 3:57am — Alibi_10Did this all the time. Most maddeningly when he asked me to ring him to see how a job interview went but when I did he had switched phone off. Eventually found out it was because he was annoyed that I had sent him a good luck text that he thought was inane. I also had to call him back at the start of relationship because he did not have much credit on phone and he would not pick it up straight away.
Have to control every damn thing!
Narcs phone activity is just a weir as they are
September 5, 2010 - 8:09am — blueeyesMy H will text me and not answer when I call and then 2 min later text me? They are jackasses and shouldn't be able to walk the planet!
using the phone as a control technique
September 5, 2010 - 9:03am — onwithmylifethe NI went with use the phone to control me, it was insane, like he would limit me to one call a day because he said he did not have many minutes and was too cheap to get a plan with more minutes, he had the money to do so or if he was mad at me about anything and everything he would not answer the phone when i tried to call him and if i left a message ,as any normal person would do, he would get real angry and said i cost him some minutes since he had to retrieve the message. He had serious problems with how his mother brought him up, I swear on a Bible!
used, loved what you did with the two phones
September 5, 2010 - 3:00pm — onwithmylifeWish i thought of that one, way to go, give them a taste of their own medicine!!!
on withmylife
September 6, 2010 - 7:39am — Usedthankyou, that was just one of the things i ended up doing, after all i had 2 brilliant teachers, nmum, and over 30year married to ex n huband. but i was very disappointed in him, n, that i had to be like this, and myself because i even stayed in the game. out now, thank god.